00:03.56 | rhowe | hm, I never realised Battle Royale was actually a good film. Never watched it before |
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06:52.02 | SlayerXP | morning |
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08:13.43 | Leeds | mozrat: what sort of timescale do you want/expect the python stuff to get active on? |
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08:41.37 | sparkes | SlayerXP, martin? |
08:41.42 | sparkes | long time no irc |
08:41.56 | SlayerXP | morning |
08:42.04 | SlayerXP | I've beem here a while :) |
08:42.07 | SlayerXP | been |
08:42.27 | sparkes | Just shows how much attention I pay |
08:42.38 | SlayerXP | :) |
08:42.44 | murb | you've not been here that long. |
08:43.08 | SlayerXP | in the global scheme of things, I suppose not |
08:43.24 | SlayerXP | sparkes: what are you up to these days? |
08:43.35 | sparkes | www.lugradio.org |
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08:43.51 | sparkes | I taught at wolves college for a couple of years |
08:44.00 | sparkes | back to freelance development again |
08:45.01 | SlayerXP | interesting looking project |
08:45.50 | sparkes | yeah, I just get to swear infront of a mic twice a month |
08:45.54 | sparkes | ;-) |
08:46.04 | sparkes | just add a mic to real life rants really |
08:46.25 | sparkes | what are you up too , SlayerXP? |
08:46.36 | SlayerXP | well, other than a recent radio appearance.... :) |
08:46.45 | SlayerXP | I've just finished a two year contract |
08:47.30 | SlayerXP | I think I might see how many antibody units I can sell over the next 6 months |
08:47.59 | sparkes | lol, you and me both |
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08:48.16 | jason_ukfsn | morning all |
08:48.20 | SlayerXP | morning jason |
08:48.31 | sparkes | morning jason_ukfsn |
08:48.41 | SlayerXP | other than that "playing with my new digicam" is all I'm doing |
08:48.51 | Kyoji | good |
08:48.53 | SlayerXP | http://www.hinterlands.org/mjumacro2.jpg |
08:49.29 | jason_ukfsn | SlayerXP, that and argueing about whether or not it's supermacro on an IRC channel? ;) |
08:49.44 | SlayerXP | that too, yes. |
08:49.58 | sparkes | nice |
08:49.58 | sparkes | I've got a Fuji S602 |
08:50.09 | Kyoji | to all,, which LUG of london is main lug ? |
08:50.41 | SlayerXP | Kyoji: is that a trick question? |
08:50.55 | Kyoji | is it? sorry!! |
08:51.09 | sparkes | Kyoji, I would have thought the greater one ;-) but I am from the midlands and size is important here |
08:51.11 | sparkes | ;-) |
08:51.32 | murb | well GLLUG covers much of the UK. |
08:51.48 | Kyoji | Mmm, thanks.. anyway I'm from Korea,, |
08:52.11 | Kyoji | so how can i be a member of gllug? |
08:52.45 | Kyoji | I'm studying here..from this september.. |
08:52.47 | murb | you can join the mailing list. |
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08:52.57 | murb | and you can irc, and you can come to the pub with us |
08:53.01 | murb | no sorry that is Lonix :) |
08:53.08 | murb | come to a meeting then the pub with us :) |
08:53.18 | Kyoji | Mmm Okay.. |
08:53.38 | Kyoji | when meeting? |
08:53.56 | Kyoji | 22nd May? |
08:53.59 | murb | when advertised on the gllug-announce mailing list. |
08:54.07 | murb | Kyoji: and /topic, so probably. |
08:54.11 | Kyoji | Okay many thanks.. |
08:55.22 | SlayerXP | Kyoji: you can become a member by saying to people "I'm a member of GLLUG" |
08:56.26 | SlayerXP | gllug is very exclusive |
08:56.26 | sparkes | repeat that five times infront of the mirror follow up with "1 am a good person" then bury your money under the apple tree |
08:56.41 | SlayerXP | only people who want to be a member can join |
08:56.42 | sparkes | or failing that just do it the SlayerXP way ;-) |
08:57.38 | Kyoji | Keke.. Okay.. "i'm a member of GLLUG~~~~~~" |
08:57.54 | sparkes | Me Too! |
08:58.38 | sparkes | bbl - food and caffine required |
09:06.46 | SlayerXP | when is the next meet? |
09:07.02 | murb | SlayerXP: /topic |
09:07.31 | SlayerXP | ahh yes |
09:07.33 | SlayerXP | well spotted |
09:07.46 | SlayerXP | well, won't be going to that one then :) |
09:21.36 | jason_ukfsn | cor, this channel just became very exclusive! |
09:22.30 | jason_ukfsn | arg! bloody idiot users of Outlook |
09:22.51 | SlayerXP | most outlook users have the defence of ignorance |
09:23.30 | SlayerXP | except the one chap I knew who had an animated html signature |
09:24.14 | jason_ukfsn | I have an adsl user who is insisting that he doesn't have to pay his subscription charges because his email client cannot get his email from our server. |
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09:25.15 | jason_ukfsn | I've verified that the problem is a known one with Outlook and that his account is fine but this idiot insists that Outlook is the most commonly used email software and that anything that Outlooks doesn't work with must be broken. |
09:28.16 | jason_ukfsn | ps ax |
09:28.32 | jason_ukfsn | wrong window - I blame my wife for distracting me ;) |
09:28.46 | SlayerXP | jason_ukfsn: seems like he has a valid argument to me :) |
09:30.04 | jason_ukfsn | SlayerXP, how? The fault is known to be in the client software. Every other client I have tested it with works fine. Outlook is the only one to fail (it drops the connection early so that the user cannot grab email from the POP3 server). |
09:30.19 | wethrin | Morning |
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09:30.33 | SlayerXP | i was trolling, ignore me |
09:30.37 | murb | jason_ukfsn: agree and bill them for your time. |
09:31.17 | jason_ukfsn | back in a mo |
09:32.39 | wethrin | Unfortunately if the most-used piece of client software is broken, then server software normally have to bend over to work around it |
09:34.17 | ar | i would have through Outlook Express was more widely used? |
09:34.56 | wethrin | Outlook in office environments |
09:36.59 | ar | good point |
09:48.47 | jason_ukfsn | wethrin, servers shouldn't be broken to handle the errors in one client. Server software has to comply with standards so that all clients software has equal footing. Breaking the server to satisfy one client may well break it for others. |
09:50.03 | jason_ukfsn | The nature of the problem is also something that it would be hard for any server software to deal with - the client drops the connection early in the standard conversation (ie connect -> USER -> PASS -> LIST -> drop) |
09:51.13 | Leeds | I suggest a copy of Thunderbird, wrapped around a brick |
09:52.15 | amias | anyone tried using a usb wireless network adapater from a pc running linux ? |
09:52.28 | jason_ukfsn | I've suggested he use other software. Perhaps your suggestion is a better idea Leeds. Now should I print the source on paper and wrap that around the brick or burn it to CD, break up the CD and glue that (sharp edges outward) to the brick? |
09:52.45 | Leeds | the latter, I think |
09:54.25 | wethrin | A brick isn't very big - just print out the source to the POP3 daemon instead :) |
09:56.35 | Leeds | a brick is plenty big enough when applied to the skull at speed |
09:56.46 | wethrin | True |
09:57.11 | wethrin | I've known people ot use Outlook without any problem |
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10:28.13 | Leeds | we've seen problems with things like Outlook+huge mailbox+left running overnight |
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10:40.24 | jason_ukfsn | The problem here isn't associated with large mailboxes. It seems that Outlook will close a connection prior to all commands being completed on the server such that email doesn't get downloaded at all and the all the server can see if that the client no longer responds |
10:40.45 | murb | jason_ukfsn: pop3? |
10:41.28 | rhowe | jason_ukfsn: Outlook 2000? |
10:41.58 | jason_ukfsn | pop3 yes. Outlook (version unknown) |
10:42.09 | murb | jason_ukfsn: what daemon? tpop3d? |
10:42.15 | jason_ukfsn | yes murb |
10:42.23 | murb | hmm i had some issues with that and eudora. |
10:42.29 | murb | and tls. |
10:42.54 | jason_ukfsn | maybe it's the tls thing then as I have that compiled in for those who don't like clear text passwords being sent over the net |
10:43.19 | SlayerXP | MSO and MSOE support TLS quite well |
10:43.58 | jason_ukfsn | The connection isn't using TLS though. |
10:45.06 | murb | SlayerXP: some version have some serious TLS implementation issues. |
10:45.26 | murb | that is ify ou try and send them toomuch data at once, they'll time out and throw a hissy fit. |
10:48.24 | wethrin | I had problems a couple of years ago with KMail and POP/TLS - it connected, downloaded 1 mail, and then ended up timing out |
10:48.52 | jason_ukfsn | do you know which pop3d that was with wethrin? |
10:49.15 | murb | jason_ukfsn: tpop3d now has a setting to reduce data sent at once, to try and fix these issues people have been having. |
10:49.21 | jason_ukfsn | I know that tpop3d used to have a timeout issue but that bug was apparently squashed last year. |
10:49.24 | murb | atleast in cvs, don't know if they've done a release recently. |
10:49.30 | murb | jason_ukfsn: it wasn't abug. |
10:49.36 | murb | atleast it was a client not a server bug. |
10:51.07 | jason_ukfsn | how recently was that added to cvs murb? I'm running 1.5.3 which is 8 months old now. |
10:51.30 | murb | jason_ukfsn: I'm not sure. |
10:52.06 | jason_ukfsn | I'll try grabbing from cvs now and diff it against 1.5.3 to see what's changed. |
10:52.48 | murb | well it is a new setting, so it should be farily obvious. |
10:53.22 | wethrin | jason_ukfsn: I can't remember |
10:57.07 | jason_ukfsn | hmm, the changes file indicates a couple of possible improvements for this. I shall give it a try. |
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11:03.16 | RevRob | all those who hate looking for a job please raise their hands |
11:03.18 | mozrat | morning RevRob Leeds |
11:03.28 | RevRob | Morning |
11:03.33 | murb | RevRob: oh dear? |
11:03.39 | murb | somthing bad happened? |
11:03.39 | RevRob | Indeed |
11:04.14 | RevRob | company decided that while doing the redunantcy run this month they would sack the only system admin wiht more then 3 months of experience. |
11:04.35 | murb | RevRob: obviously you were too expensive. |
11:04.40 | murb | or somthing :( |
11:04.44 | wethrin | RevRob: :-( |
11:04.44 | RevRob | The "new" sysadmin is a guy that spell Linux with this hands tied behind his back, but only taken 1 linux course last month. |
11:04.45 | Leeds | :-( |
11:05.07 | wethrin | linux course != linux clue, though |
11:05.32 | RevRob | indeed |
11:05.39 | murb | RevRob: so they decided you were redudant for somereason? |
11:05.49 | RevRob | oh my, my cv on Planet Recuit is most out of date |
11:05.57 | mozrat | I thought redundancy was good in computer networks... oh |
11:05.59 | murb | what blackmail material does new sysadmin have on senior managment? |
11:05.59 | RevRob | murb, yup. |
11:06.00 | jason_ukfsn | RevRob, make it clear to management that they can call upon you as a consultants later when everything has gone down the pan due the lack of clue. |
11:06.02 | mozrat | thats different |
11:06.15 | murb | RevRob: or were you just more expensive? |
11:06.20 | SlayerXP | I'm rather enjoying job hunting |
11:06.28 | SlayerXP | luckily I don't really need to find one this year :) |
11:06.31 | RevRob | The CTO Resigned last week over a number of issues, one being that some of his team will be let go but they wouldn't tell him who. So he quit |
11:07.50 | RevRob | Murb, I did cost most then other other windows admins, but I was the sole supporter of the entire live customer facing operations of 30 servers.. the windows guy looked after 6 or 7 servers that only supported the internal folks |
11:07.55 | murb | I'd like to find a job not in uk, however the place wher ei'd like to find job his high unemployment, and i have a very poor grasp of the native language. |
11:08.14 | wethrin | .lu? |
11:08.19 | murb | wethrin: no way! |
11:08.24 | jason_ukfsn | .ru? |
11:08.28 | jason_ukfsn | ;) |
11:08.33 | murb | jason_ukfsn: in the EU |
11:08.40 | jason_ukfsn | .po? |
11:08.46 | wethrin | po? |
11:08.50 | RevRob | I was gonna say .tv will you said that |
11:08.51 | wethrin | DYM .pt, or .pl? |
11:08.51 | murb | i'd like more of work. |
11:08.58 | murb | not a new EU member. |
11:09.07 | RevRob | good god man, tell us |
11:09.12 | jason_ukfsn | I meant .pl |
11:10.07 | murb | RevRob: no it is just a dream, that i don't need shattering today. |
11:10.15 | RevRob | haha oh ok |
11:10.20 | murb | I'm fragile enough. |
11:14.51 | jason_ukfsn | does anyone here have access to a box with Outlook on it? |
11:15.09 | jason_ukfsn | I need someone to help me test my pop3d |
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11:15.36 | jason_ukfsn | afternoon zachary |
11:15.41 | zachary | afternoon |
11:25.51 | Leeds | one of my collegues just turned his laptop on and the screen came up a funny colour, so he smacked it around for a minute or two until it worked :-) |
11:26.48 | wethrin | heh |
11:30.14 | wethrin | Percussive hardware maintenance |
11:30.39 | RevRob | Open office does a horrible job of exporting Word files to HTML.. http://www.uk-experience.com/resume/resume-rmckenzie.html |
11:42.55 | anth | jason_ukfsn: I'll help you |
11:44.46 | jason_ukfsn | anth, just a moment - I need to set up a test account (or do you have a ukfsn account?) |
11:45.00 | anth | no |
11:46.12 | murb | does http://www.dublincity.ie/wasteinfo/index.htm # work for anyone in mozilla? |
11:51.22 | zachary | murb, moz: no, konqi: yes |
11:59.36 | wethrin | Can anyone recommend reliable hard drive models? And also places that would sell them cheaply? |
12:06.14 | anth | sorry, away for a bit. will try now |
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12:18.09 | anth | it doesn't seem to want to want to use port 111. will try 110 |
12:18.47 | anth | got 4 messages |
12:20.34 | anth | couldn't find the right place to tell it which port to use |
12:20.52 | anth | found it now, so if you want me to try again... |
12:21.43 | anth | same 4 messages there |
12:22.35 | anth | all seems to be working OK on both ports |
12:27.56 | anth | This is on outlook 2002 (10.3513.3501) SP-1 |
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12:35.32 | jason_ukfsn | indeed I was |
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12:45.35 | George | hi Jenson |
12:45.39 | Jenson | heya |
12:47.18 | Leeds | Jenson: any developments on the Watford stuff? |
12:47.56 | Jenson | im gonna call them at some point to tell them im not going, watford is too far away to work anyway |
12:48.27 | Jenson | Leeds: only got out of bed at 1, woke up earlier feeling sick with bad headache, too some cold/flu stuff and went back to sleep, seem to be ok now |
12:48.36 | murb | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3704101.stm # hmmgrr. |
12:48.37 | rhowe | Yeah, who'd work in Watford? :) |
12:48.41 | George | hehe |
12:50.00 | George | heh |
12:50.04 | George | I happily don't work. |
12:53.17 | wethrin | George is a drain on society :) |
12:54.45 | Leeds | more like a drain on his parents, I think |
12:55.31 | wethrin | A profit-driven company is not going to be putting safety first. |
12:56.53 | Leeds | the theory is to tie performance to pay, thereby forcing them to care |
12:57.12 | wethrin | Yeah, but that doesn't happen in practice |
12:57.41 | murb | wethrin: why not? |
12:57.57 | murb | if you have apublic company they all care about being paid and going on strike at the first second. |
12:58.03 | wethrin | They always seem to end up doing the least they can get away with |
12:58.26 | murb | i don't think it matters if they are public or private, i thihnk they like to be public because then they thihnk they can get away with more. |
12:58.36 | Leeds | wethrin: are you accusing them of being human or something? |
12:58.48 | wethrin | Suits aren't real humans |
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12:58.49 | wethrin | :) |
13:00.37 | Leeds | neither, apparently is George... real humans don't bounce that much, apart from gregj maybe |
13:01.53 | wethrin | George is a Suit(TM)? |
13:02.11 | rhowe | Whee http://ichart.yahoo.com/z?s=SCOX&t=1y&q=c&l=off&z=m&p=s,v,b&a=w14,vm,fs |
13:02.16 | wethrin | Grr. IDE sucks. |
13:02.24 | murb | rollercosterish? |
13:02.49 | rhowe | If you call Oblivion at Alton Towers a rollercoaster :) |
13:03.46 | murb | i like the bbcs graphcs where they get them from better. |
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13:05.15 | rhowe | 52wk Range: 3.27 - 22.29 |
13:05.24 | George | grr |
13:05.26 | George | I hate school internet |
13:05.42 | murb | ^internet^^ # what you are supposed to say. |
13:07.54 | Jenson | when is the general election? |
13:09.11 | Xiaoqi | Jenson: next year i think... |
13:09.33 | Jenson | Xiaoqi: coz there is anti-BNP posters suddenly arrived everywhere round here |
13:09.45 | Xiaoqi | hehehe |
13:09.50 | murb | Jenson: there are council elections |
13:10.08 | murb | teh general election is sometime between now and the last one + 5 years. |
13:10.13 | murb | or somthing. |
13:10.19 | murb | i can't rember is it 5 or 6 years? |
13:10.36 | Xiaoqi | thought it was 4... |
13:11.11 | murb | Xiaoqi: normally it is about 4 |
13:11.15 | murb | but it isn't fixed. |
13:11.19 | murb | it just has a max. |
13:11.20 | Jenson | its european parlianment and london assembly evidently |
13:11.35 | murb | europal, which has no power anyway. |
13:11.41 | murb | and local elections |
13:11.53 | Jenson | i remember there was local council elections last year |
13:12.00 | wethrin | 5 years is max |
13:12.13 | murb | or somthing. |
13:12.18 | Xiaoqi | ah, ok |
13:12.22 | murb | Jenson: not everywhere. |
13:12.37 | murb | I've not seen any publicity or anything for the europal elections. |
13:12.50 | Jenson | is it true that not everyone gets to vote in general eklections coz some people are allocated to vote local and some general |
13:12.59 | Leeds | Jenson: no, that's nonsense |
13:13.02 | Jenson | murb: well it was Braintree District Counicl elections last year |
13:13.20 | murb | Jenson: some people are only entitled to vote in local and eu elections. |
13:13.20 | Jenson | Leeds: something tells me Costa dpoesnt know what he's rtalking about |
13:13.32 | Xiaoqi | Jenson: not on this subject anyway |
13:13.41 | murb | it says in the electrial register what you are entitle to vote in. |
13:13.56 | wethrin | Righty. Time for a reboot. |
13:13.59 | murb | irish and commonwealth citizens can vote in all elections. |
13:14.04 | Jenson | im guessing coz i was born here and im british that it doesnt make much differenve to me |
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13:21.25 | wethrin | Rar |
13:21.36 | wethrin | My system appears to feel better now |
13:22.00 | wethrin | Any recommendations for cleaning a laptop LCD screen? |
13:23.11 | Jenson | wethrin: baby wipes? |
13:23.43 | Jenson | my ex-boss was just here, he thinks we've got one of his backup tapes, but i dont think we have |
13:24.15 | wethrin | Don't have baby wipes. But I guess a soft damp cloth would work |
13:24.58 | wethrin | Right. Back to revision for me. |
13:25.11 | Leeds | what's the point of that? |
13:25.13 | Jenson | wethrin: tesco value ones are cheap, just pick some up whenm your there |
13:25.19 | Jenson | *you're |
13:26.10 | George`Coding | Leeds: you'll be glad to hear that I have cleaned up my code to adhere to the K&R style |
13:26.40 | Leeds | I assume by that that KDE doesn't have a coding standard |
13:26.50 | George`Coding | it probably does |
13:26.54 | George`Coding | I've never checked ;) |
13:27.51 | Leeds | anyway, I don't like K&R even though I use it at work |
13:28.10 | wethrin | The K&R has weird indentation. And doesn't use tabs. |
13:28.38 | George`Coding | yes, the only exception is that I'm using tabs |
13:28.57 | wethrin | Therefore you're not using a K&R style |
13:29.09 | George`Coding | fine then. |
13:29.38 | Jenson | I just read that prepay oystercards will work on buses from may 16 if anyone needs to know that |
13:30.17 | wethrin | So you're using 5-character indents too, then? |
13:30.29 | wethrin | Ahh. Excellent. That's be quite useful for me (sometimes) |
13:31.08 | Jenson | well it means i can go between here and David/Alex's and Toms for 70p instead of a pound |
13:31.11 | wethrin | (or, in your case, you've set your tab to 5 characters) |
13:31.40 | Leeds | George`Coding: 80-column lines? |
13:32.05 | wethrin | Leeds: Wasn't it 78? (giving 2 spare) |
13:32.35 | George`Coding | Leeds: no |
13:33.25 | wethrin | I tend to use a mostly-K&R-style (but using 4 character indents, rather than 5) |
13:33.59 | wethrin | Anyway, Fortran<=77 has it right - anything beyond column 70 is treated as a comment :) |
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13:35.37 | George`Coding | hrmmph |
13:36.59 | Jenson | yay there is £15.40 on my oyster card, i thought there was like 3 pound |
13:37.21 | George`Coding | oyster card? |
13:37.41 | wethrin | London Transport SmartCard |
13:37.54 | George`Coding | ah |
13:39.24 | amias | what are the chances of a motherboard with a bios from 06/14/1999 and a UDMA 33 controller being able to use a 120gb+ IDE hard disk ? |
13:40.02 | wethrin | What OS? |
13:40.07 | amias | linux |
13:40.09 | Jenson | anyway m off into town, meeting emmanuel soon |
13:40.10 | wethrin | Yes |
13:40.13 | Jenson | seeya |
13:40.16 | wethrin | bye |
13:40.41 | wethrin | The BIOS may have problems with it, but OSes that don't use the BIOS calls for disk access are fine |
13:43.56 | Kyoji | What kind of LInux are you guys using?? |
13:44.11 | Leeds | Slackware... OS X... Solaris... |
13:44.16 | Kyoji | I'm using Gentoo. |
13:44.53 | amias | Redhat 9 |
13:44.56 | amias | x 2 |
13:45.05 | amias | and Netgear Linux on my router |
13:45.21 | Kyoji | what is Netgear Linux ? |
13:45.25 | wethrin | I tend not to use Linux.....but Slackware if I have to |
13:45.31 | Kyoji | you mean the router os ?? |
13:45.50 | amias | yup , its a little shiney mips box running 2.4.17 |
13:46.46 | amias | should i go for USB or PCI ? |
13:47.17 | wethrin | PCI |
13:47.18 | amias | this box is only 450mhz will that slow down usb ? |
13:47.21 | Kyoji | PCI |
13:47.32 | wethrin | WDYM "only" 450? :) |
13:47.52 | wethrin | People used to be more than happy with 2MHz machines. |
13:48.06 | wethrin | And did far cooler stuff then they do now |
13:48.40 | Leeds | passive cooling though |
13:48.42 | SlayerXP | the coolest thing I ever did with a computer was on an acron electron |
13:48.45 | murb | amias: get an MA311 if you want somthing that works. |
13:48.46 | SlayerXP | acorn |
13:48.48 | murb | and is PCI. |
13:49.06 | murb | I belive there are some prism54 cards that also work, but i'm not sure of exact models. |
13:49.15 | SlayerXP | I wrote an assembler routine to allow the screen to be in two different modes, top and bottom |
13:49.19 | amias | anyone had much success with the pci card hosting pccard wirless cards ? |
13:49.19 | Leeds | I've got... hang on |
13:50.00 | murb | amias: I have a pcmcia prism2 card in the holder which came with it , which works. |
13:50.03 | Kyoji | I've got INTEL PRO wireless.... |
13:50.17 | murb | amias: but if you just want 11mb 802.11b get a netgear MA311. |
13:50.20 | murb | they are cheap and they work. |
13:51.05 | amias | i can go up to g with my AP but for web browsing i guess b would be ok |
13:51.37 | murb | amias: as i said there are some support 54g cards, i think prism54.org has alist. |
13:52.22 | Leeds | I can't remember the make of mine... netgear or linksys... 802.11g pci - works fine with a cvs driver |
13:53.18 | Leeds | I got mine because it was on the prism54 list, but it doesn't use the prism54 driver |
13:53.25 | Kyoji | I think linksys is more powerful than netgear.. |
13:54.01 | Leeds | I can tell you what lspci calls it - but that's just the chipset, not the make :-0 |
13:58.58 | amias | thanks for the tips y'all |
13:59.04 | amias | i'm off to do battle with TCR |
14:53.21 | Leeds | rhowe: ping |
14:55.54 | rhowe | pong |
14:57.53 | Leeds | anyone know an easy answer to convert a gif into a .ico for favicon.ico? |
14:59.11 | wethrin | gimp? |
14:59.18 | wethrin | A .ico is a 16x16 bmp |
15:00.08 | Leeds | that's what I thought, but apparently not |
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15:02.07 | Clyphox | Moo |
15:04.52 | rhowe | convert foo.gif foo.ico? |
15:05.02 | rhowe | Windows' .ico format is not BMP |
15:05.34 | rhowe | Windows 95 could be tricked into using a BMP file though |
15:06.52 | Clyphox | I just use bmp's myself |
15:07.06 | Leeds | no, it's not that - I solved it |
15:08.28 | Leeds | I thought you just needed to create the file, but it turns out you also need to link it with a <link> tag in the index.html |
15:08.50 | rhowe | link rel="icon" or somesuch? |
15:09.09 | Leeds | <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/favicon.ico" type="image/x-icon"> seems to work :-) |
15:09.32 | Leeds | oh, and convert - at least the versions we've got lying around - won't write to .ico |
15:13.26 | Clyphox | tried converting it with imagick? |
15:14.50 | rhowe | convert and imagemagick are closely-related, I thought? |
15:15.04 | Leeds | convert *is* imagemagick |
15:15.08 | rhowe | $ convert The\ Ring.jpg The\ Ring.ico |
15:15.08 | rhowe | convert: Width or height exceeds limit `The Ring.ico'. |
15:15.36 | rhowe | So long as your image is the right size, it looks like it'll work with Debian sid's imagemagick |
15:15.41 | Leeds | $ convert tvtime.png tvtime.ico |
15:15.41 | Leeds | convert: No encode delegate for this image format (tvtime.ico). |
15:16.07 | jason_ukfsn | there is a utility available what is specifically for creating ico files. Google is your friend. |
15:16.15 | Clyphox | I'm pretty sure .ico can be either gif or bmp |
15:16.17 | rhowe | Version: ImageMagick 6.0.0 04/30/04 Q16 http://www.imagemagick.org |
15:16.35 | Leeds | Version: ImageMagick 5.5.7 08/20/03 Q16 http://www.imagemagick.org |
15:16.40 | Leeds | that might explain it... |
15:16.50 | rhowe | Clyphox: No it can't. All versions of Windows after '95 (or '98) allow the use of BMP or GIF format images as icons, however. |
15:17.11 | rhowe | Clyphox: The ICO image format is something different, AFAIK |
15:18.31 | Clyphox | didn't know that there eas an official ICO format.. remember opening alof of them with paint back in my pre-linux days thats all |
15:18.51 | sparkes | http://www.favicon.com/ |
15:18.57 | sparkes | an online converter |
15:19.01 | sparkes | probably convert |
15:19.07 | sparkes | that's what I used |
15:19.12 | rhowe | It's an actual binary dump of the icon resource, found in Windows binaries |
15:19.15 | rhowe | Or so it seems |
15:19.50 | sparkes | hang on wrong url |
15:20.32 | rhowe | Hang what on it? |
15:21.07 | sparkes | lol |
15:21.20 | sparkes | http://www.winterdrache.de/freeware/png2ico/index.html is a png2fav icon program |
15:22.16 | rhowe | $ convert The\ Smaller\ Ring.jpg The\ Smaller\ Ring.ico && file The\ Smaller\ Ring.ico |
15:22.19 | rhowe | The Smaller Ring.ico: ms-windows icon resource - 1 icon |
15:23.03 | sparkes | do you just want a ring icon? |
15:23.11 | sparkes | cos www.kryogenix.org has one |
15:23.19 | sparkes | I am sure aq wouldn't mind sharing ;-) |
15:23.32 | rhowe | The Ring.jpg is my fiancee's engagement ring :P |
15:24.08 | sparkes | oh a little more important |
15:24.09 | sparkes | ;-) |
15:24.13 | Clyphox | hehe |
15:25.48 | sparkes | rhowe, perhaps you should have found and icon and got the little lady to have ring that looked like that |
15:26.07 | sparkes | \me slaps myself for that |
15:26.14 | sparkes | lol |
15:26.27 | sparkes | I missed first time |
15:43.39 | rhowe | heh |
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15:50.22 | George | *yawn* |
16:31.34 | wethrin | Anyone here have opinions of the new Western Digital Caviar drives? |
16:40.19 | murb | not recent. |
16:40.29 | murb | and recent is what matters for these sorts of things. |
16:42.29 | wethrin | Indeed. I have heard complaints about them a few years back, but I think they were fixed a long time ago |
16:42.56 | murb | wethrin: are there any manufactures who have made disks that haven't failed? |
16:42.57 | gregj | anyone who uses jboss+velocity here ? |
16:47.01 | wethrin | I don't think that that's possible |
16:47.10 | wethrin | Physical devices will always wear out eventually |
16:47.21 | wethrin | Well, I've got a WD and a Seagate in my server, and both work |
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17:11.49 | gregj | http://www.ipv6.btexact.com/tutorials/ultima.html |
17:11.57 | gregj | is there anything for linux that does it ? |
17:14.39 | wethrin | 6to4? |
17:15.25 | gregj | yes |
17:15.37 | gregj | I guess this allows me to create internal only ipv6 network |
17:15.47 | wethrin | Possibly :) |
17:16.08 | gregj | and router that will translate requests too ::IPv4-ip to ipv4 external things |
17:16.26 | gregj | s/too/to/ |
17:16.36 | murb | NAT-PT is intersting. |
17:16.44 | murb | someone is working on a linux kernel implementation. |
17:16.58 | gregj | this will be cool |
17:16.59 | murb | although it is sort of depending on cf_netfilter |
17:16.59 | gregj | :-) |
17:17.07 | murb | s/cf/ct/ |
17:17.20 | gregj | well, I guess it is netfilter module or something |
17:17.38 | murb | gregj: generic connection tracking for v4 and v6 |
17:17.45 | wethrin | Feel Free to write one yourself :) |
17:18.09 | gregj | right |
17:18.24 | gregj | if I will have enough time, and someone will pay me, sure why not |
17:18.33 | murb | being written by the USAGI guyes based on the paper by Harald Welte. |
17:18.53 | murb | there is already a KAME nat-pt. |
17:19.39 | gregj | for *bsd |
17:19.41 | gregj | yack |
17:20.27 | gregj | wethrin: on what basis does bt exact tells me sometimes that tunnel expiired ? |
17:20.49 | gregj | wethrin: I am using it all the time, is it just becaause I am not login onto tunell broker or something ? |
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17:22.01 | wethrin | I don't know |
17:22.03 | wethrin | Mine works :) |
17:22.09 | gregj | I got email today from them saying that one of my tunnels expired |
17:22.13 | gregj | it wasn't used for 25h |
17:22.23 | gregj | but they didn't gave me reason in email |
17:22.29 | wethrin | Ahm. |
17:22.40 | gregj | maybe they do kill it after few h of inactivity |
17:22.42 | gregj | dunno |
17:23.12 | murb | gregj: well if you want a new tunnel, i can recommend SixXS |
17:23.25 | murb | they have multiple pops including one in London. |
17:23.34 | murb | https://www.SixXS.net |
17:23.59 | gregj | no thanks |
17:24.09 | gregj | these are fine, at least for no |
17:24.11 | gregj | now |
17:24.39 | wethrin | Hm. My link appears to have dropped |
17:24.59 | gregj | they do have problems withroutting sometimes thou |
17:25.14 | gregj | or maybe it is not on their sitee, dunno, I have to traceroute |
17:25.15 | wethrin | I can ping their IPv4 address, but not their IPv6 address |
17:25.45 | gregj | you're from ip4 or ipv6 now ? |
17:26.02 | wethrin | 4 |
17:26.12 | gregj | me too |
17:26.23 | gregj | there is gjkopete onlinne, from ipv6 |
17:26.37 | *** join/#gllug gjkopete (~gj@2001:618:400:0:0:0:d412:e31a) |
17:26.42 | *** part/#gllug gjkopete (~gj@2001:618:400:0:0:0:d412:e31a) |
17:26.49 | gregj | so it is working here :D |
17:26.49 | wethrin | hm |
17:26.59 | gregj | check your email :D |
17:27.00 | wethrin | They may have dropped my tunnel, then. |
17:27.04 | wethrin | I do :) |
17:27.21 | gregj | they send me email saying that |
17:27.36 | gregj | and I was able to setup tunnel, and ping their router |
17:27.38 | gregj | but nothing more |
17:28.02 | gregj | another thing I want to ask you |
17:28.07 | gregj | there is dns name point.zlew.org |
17:28.16 | gregj | resolving for one of mmy tunnels |
17:28.57 | gregj | but if feed tunnel broker with it, it saids to me that address is not valid or something |
17:32.22 | wethrin | Hrm |
17:32.42 | wethrin | Did you add an appropriate default IPv6 route? |
17:32.57 | wethrin | # host point.zlew.org |
17:32.57 | wethrin | Host point.zlew.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
17:33.08 | wethrin | There is no DNS. HTH HAND |
17:33.25 | wethrin | And while you fix it, I'm off for food :) |
17:35.04 | gregj | I guess ipv6 uses AAAA record, n A record |
17:35.31 | gregj | gj@thinkpaddie:~$ ping6 point.zlew.org |
17:35.32 | gregj | PING point.zlew.org(2001:618:400::51db:906) 56 data bytes |
17:35.32 | gregj | 64 bytes from 2001:618:400::51db:906: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=136 ms |
17:35.43 | gregj | gj@thinkpaddie:~$ host -t AAAA point.zlew.org |
17:35.43 | gregj | point.zlew.org AAAA 2001:618:400:0:0:0:51DB:906 |
17:35.46 | gregj | it resolves fine here |
17:52.23 | wethrin | Yeah, but they want an IPv4 resolution |
17:52.43 | gregj | wa***** |
17:52.45 | gregj | what for ? |
17:53.17 | gregj | I want revDNS for ipv6 address, not ipv4 |
17:59.12 | wethrin | Ah, no okay. |
17:59.36 | wethrin | When did you put in the DNS entry? |
17:59.43 | wethrin | It may need time to propagate around the 'net |
18:00.16 | gregj | it was about 20 days ago |
18:00.33 | wethrin | Hj |
18:00.34 | wethrin | Hm |
18:00.37 | gregj | try ping6 point.zlew.org |
18:02.41 | wethrin | No point, if I can't even get to the other end of my link |
18:02.49 | George | moo |
18:03.11 | gregj | wethrin: can you resolve it with host -t AAAA |
18:03.16 | gregj | wethrin: no need to have ipv6 to do that |
18:03.35 | wethrin | NXDOMAIN |
18:03.42 | George | heya wethrin, gregj |
18:04.20 | wethrin | eyup |
18:04.33 | gregj | maybe your dns doesn't support ipv6 |
18:04.34 | gregj | :D |
18:04.40 | wethrin | Yes it does |
18:04.41 | wethrin | :) |
18:04.51 | wethrin | Probably supported it for longer than yours has :-P |
18:05.00 | gregj | phi |
18:05.04 | gregj | I have bind9 |
18:05.04 | gregj | ;p |
18:05.16 | wethrin | Likewise |
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18:05.29 | wethrin | 9.2.2 |
18:05.56 | gregj | Version: 1:9.2.3+9.2.4-rc2-1 |
18:05.59 | gregj | ;p |
18:06.01 | gregj | busted |
18:06.05 | wethrin | ? |
18:06.24 | *** part/#gllug adb9 (~andrew@81.2.66.249) |
18:07.42 | gregj | well, mine is newer |
18:07.43 | gregj | isn't |
18:08.08 | gregj | gj@thinkpaddie:~$ named -v |
18:08.09 | gregj | BIND 9.2.4rc2 |
18:08.54 | gregj | wish I had dog |
18:09.14 | gregj | something will force me to go for walk few times a day |
18:10.13 | gregj | http://szpajder.w.staszic.waw.pl/ustron/ustron-3d-2.jpg |
18:10.15 | gregj | nice map |
18:10.16 | gregj | :D |
18:11.05 | wethrin | Go for a walk anyway |
18:11.32 | gregj | I will |
18:11.58 | wethrin | :) |
18:12.29 | gregj | I wonder what program generates such nice maps |
18:13.13 | gregj | http://szpajder.w.staszic.waw.pl/sts-107/jgfred/ |
18:17.58 | gregj | wethrin: http://szpajder.w.staszic.waw.pl/rotfl/Bluetoot.jpg |
18:18.44 | wethrin | :) |
18:20.15 | gregj | http://szpajder.w.staszic.waw.pl/rotfl/ariane.jpg |
18:21.35 | wethrin | heh |
18:22.19 | SpudULike | wethrin: SkyEar, for that was the balloon thing in Greenwich, was to be last Tuesday but got cancelled due to the bad weather. No news of a new date yet, so I have a second chance!!! |
18:23.15 | wethrin | Ahh, excellent |
18:23.56 | SpudULike | HTTP://WWW.haque.co.uk/skyear.php is the link to note. |
18:24.02 | gregj | http://szpajder.w.staszic.waw.pl/rotfl/rotfl.jpg |
18:24.14 | gregj | internet is really hard to understeand, but ppl even more |
18:24.14 | gregj | :D |
18:27.32 | gregj | wethrin: http://szpajder.w.staszic.waw.pl/rotfl/why-not-qmail.png something for you as welll :D |
18:29.30 | George | ARGH, GCSES START IN 7 DAYS!!! |
18:29.39 | wethrin | GCSEs are easy |
18:29.46 | George | wethrin: they're BORING!!!!!!! |
18:29.51 | Leeds | George: dude... they finished almost 12 years ago! |
18:29.53 | wethrin | You'd better start revising |
18:29.57 | George | Leeds: heh |
18:30.00 | gregj | :-) |
18:30.01 | George | wethrin: maybe |
18:30.04 | wethrin | No, that was O levels' :) |
18:30.09 | wethrin | Without the apostrophe |
18:30.32 | George | heh |
18:30.38 | Leeds | wethrin: nope... I was the 2nd or 3rd year to do GCSEs |
18:30.44 | George | I managed to sleep all day without being disturbed at school. That's amazing. |
18:30.56 | gregj | wethrin: http://szpajder.w.staszic.waw.pl/rotfl/wyniki_egzaminu.jpg regarding exams, in Polish only, sorry :D |
18:31.08 | wethrin | Hm, so qmail really uses old-style K&R syntax |
18:31.12 | gregj | this guyy had a sense of humor |
18:31.34 | wethrin | But....coding style isn't (to me) a reason to use, or not use, a program. |
18:31.44 | SpudULike | I can't get used to my girls referring to things like 'year 7' for 1st year in secondary school. When did that start??? |
18:32.09 | wethrin | 1993 |
18:32.15 | Leeds | SpudULike: yeah, that really confuses me too |
18:32.25 | wethrin | I was the first lot of 'Year 8's |
18:32.40 | wethrin | Before, they were all '2nd year's |
18:32.49 | George | And I think I'm going to fail maths |
18:32.50 | George | lol |
18:32.53 | SpudULike | So 6th form is what??? |
18:33.00 | George | I got a grand 30% in the first mock of this term. |
18:33.33 | Leeds | George: really? GCSE maths was bloody easy when I took it 13 years ago - and it must be much easier now |
18:34.01 | wethrin | 6th form is still 6th form, but sometimes referred to as Years 12 & 13 |
18:34.36 | SpudULike | wethrin: That's just stoopid then, in'it! |
18:35.50 | wethrin | Yeah, but you get paid £30/week to stay on now |
18:36.03 | murb | wethrin: it is means tested. |
18:36.08 | murb | which means? |
18:36.16 | murb | oh your parents, how funny. |
18:36.19 | wethrin | How mean the person is? |
18:36.34 | murb | does this mean they will start charging to tirtuary education? |
18:36.34 | George | Leeds: I did GCSE maths last year... |
18:36.38 | SpudULike | Tested by mean people? |
18:36.39 | George | Leeds: this is AO maths |
18:36.48 | murb | afterall they were never going to charge for undergradeuate stuff. |
18:36.50 | George | Leeds: and the fact that I have taken no notes over the past year don't help |
18:36.52 | wethrin | AO? So something useful like calculus? |
18:37.00 | George | wethrin: yes |
18:37.07 | wethrin | But that's piddlingly easy |
18:37.10 | George | ;) |
18:37.19 | George | heh |
18:37.55 | wethrin | I suppose they don't even do matrices, do they? |
18:38.16 | murb | wethrin: wot like multiplcation and addtion and stuff? |
18:38.44 | wethrin | That, and finding determinants, is pretty much all you do with them |
18:39.05 | George | wethrin: probably not |
18:39.10 | George | wethrin: what's a matrix :) |
18:39.18 | wethrin | Weren't you paying attention in class? |
18:39.25 | George | not really |
18:39.30 | wethrin | That was silly, then :) |
18:39.36 | George | heh |
18:39.41 | George | nah, matrices aren't on the syllabus |
18:39.50 | George | it'll probably be done next year (doing 3 maths A levels) |
18:39.51 | wethrin | Go look it up. It's a 2D numerical structure |
18:40.04 | wethrin | They should be covered in pure maths |
18:41.09 | George | yeh |
18:41.09 | George | ok |
18:41.15 | George | well, I'll be doing it then |
18:41.19 | gregj | no, not coding style, way it is coded |
18:41.23 | George | I should be doing pure maths modules 1-6 |
18:42.05 | wethrin | That's quite meaningless, really. I only did a 4-module Pure course |
18:42.12 | wethrin | (as in, only 4 on offer) |
18:42.22 | wethrin | gregj: As long as it works... |
18:44.15 | gregj | well |
18:44.18 | gregj | that's not always the case |
18:44.42 | gregj | windows works as well.... |
18:44.43 | gregj | :] |
18:45.19 | wethrin | Sure, and I'd use it if there's something that it does that other systems don't do |
18:53.07 | George | ibot change 200 CAD to GBP |
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20:12.32 | JD | but they'll trust you with some weird 25 year old? |
20:13.12 | wethrin | ? |
20:13.25 | George | JD: ? |
20:13.28 | George | JD: thanks |
20:13.51 | George | JD: just read my kde-gb post? |
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20:14.31 | mozrat | good evening |
20:14.35 | wethrin | 'lo |
20:14.42 | mozrat | just the man! |
20:15.02 | mozrat | how much is your server space you rent? |
20:15.08 | mozrat | and is it any good? |
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20:16.57 | wethrin | It works for me :) |
20:17.02 | JD | George: any chance you could have astable net connectin any time soon |
20:17.02 | wethrin | £400/year |
20:17.11 | George | JD: bleh |
20:17.12 | wethrin | 1Mbit, in mailbox. |
20:17.22 | George | JD: no |
20:17.25 | George | JD: not unless I'm at home |
20:17.48 | George | JD: so was that comment you volunteering to take me to Germany in August? :) |
20:17.58 | wethrin | *today |
20:18.05 | JD | wethrin: ah functional is fun |
20:18.15 | murb | George: why would you want to go to germany? |
20:18.21 | murb | (i would, but why wyould you?) |
20:18.22 | mozrat | wethrin, is it a virtual server or your own box? or does 400 rent the hardware as well? |
20:18.23 | George | murb: KDE World Summit 2004 |
20:18.30 | murb | ahah. |
20:18.34 | murb | George: where is it happening? |
20:18.38 | wethrin | It's my own box |
20:18.43 | George | Ludwigsburg, Stuttgart Region |
20:18.51 | wethrin | JD: Yes, it is. But it requires me to twist my brain into weird ways |
20:18.51 | mozrat | wethrin, thanks |
20:19.01 | wethrin | You looking to rent, or to colo? |
20:19.34 | mozrat | Well I don't have a server at the moment for what I have in mind, so I would either buy a cheap one or rent |
20:19.43 | wethrin | Fair enough. |
20:19.48 | mozrat | Dell 1650s aren't much now days |
20:19.54 | George | murb: http://conference2004.kde.org |
20:20.10 | murb | George: are you going? |
20:20.14 | George | murb: yes. |
20:20.23 | wethrin | ev1servers.net are cheap, but don't expect support |
20:20.27 | George | hrmm, setting up "nightlife" |
20:20.33 | murb | I'm not that up on Kde so i wouldn't be going, but i might be going to LinuxTag |
20:20.39 | murb | anyone else up for LinuxTag? |
20:20.44 | George | I can't go to LinuxTag |
20:20.50 | George | smack in the middle of my GCSEs :) |
20:21.04 | murb | I was offered one last year. |
20:21.15 | murb | George: scary! |
20:22.05 | wethrin | murb: No, he's a baby :) |
20:22.33 | George | murb: I've only just turned 16 ;) |
20:23.13 | murb | scaryu someone born in 1988! |
20:23.40 | murb | but then even my ickle sister is 21 |
20:24.04 | murb | George: well good luck in your GCSEs, but they are piss easy... |
20:25.21 | George | murb: heh |
20:26.29 | murb | George: I know i'm pretty thick, and i got quite a few without trying so, 9 years later.. |
20:26.32 | murb | it must be easier. |
20:26.42 | George | lol |
20:26.46 | George | I want straight A*s |
20:28.42 | wethrin | That requires you to spell your name properly, doesn't it? |
20:29.13 | George | wethrin: I can spull mah nume |
20:31.19 | George | brb |
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20:43.40 | gregj | http://www.sco.pl/ |
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21:05.18 | TestG | hrmm |
21:05.22 | TestG | IRC Proxy seems to be working |
21:10.01 | TestG | grmbl |
21:10.06 | TestG | This IRC proxy is really annoying. |
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21:12.35 | George | hrmmph |
21:15.10 | rhowe | so when're we having this beermeet? |
21:16.51 | murb | when we are in the pub drinking. |
21:18.33 | mozrat | wassup murb? crashing? |
21:18.39 | gregj | mozilla or kmail |
21:18.44 | gregj | evolution is bad |
21:18.46 | gregj | evil |
21:18.52 | wethrin | Gnome-- |
21:18.55 | gregj | it's in gtk (mozilla too) |
21:19.08 | gregj | and has 10000000 lines of very ugly code |
21:19.24 | wethrin | Doesn't Mozilla have the same? :) |
21:19.26 | George | wethrin: i love you |
21:19.34 | wethrin | ? |
21:19.44 | gregj | mozilla mail is writen in JS and XML |
21:19.50 | gregj | on top of gecko |
21:19.56 | George | wethrin: <wethrin> Gnome-- |
21:20.03 | wethrin | Ahh, right. |
21:20.07 | gregj | gnome sux |
21:20.14 | George | gregj: I love you too |
21:20.22 | George | gregj: although being a KDE developer you have to say that anyway :) |
21:20.34 | murb | mozrat: corrupt camel store. |
21:20.34 | gregj | :] |
21:20.35 | wethrin | KDE sux too ;-) |
21:20.44 | George | wethrin: I hate you |
21:20.45 | gregj | can I have op for a second ? |
21:20.57 | gregj | :> |
21:21.00 | wethrin | Only if you kick George :) |
21:21.03 | George | gregj: not another "let's all kick George" sessions? |
21:21.09 | George | wethrin: bugger off ;) |
21:21.11 | gregj | wethrin: I can do it as well |
21:21.42 | wethrin | heh |
21:22.08 | George | I had op for a whole hour once |
21:22.20 | George | but Leeds deopped me before I kicked him in revenge |
21:23.14 | George | JD: are you going to akademy then? |
21:24.54 | JD | George: currently unlikely |
21:25.46 | George | JD: bah |
21:25.52 | George | JD: find someone to drag me along with |
21:28.09 | wethrin | I used to use KDE, until I grew out of it :) |
21:28.39 | George | wethrin: bah |
21:28.42 | George | wethrin: what do you use now? |
21:29.26 | wethrin | Aqua. Or Windowmaker. Or fvwm2. |
21:29.39 | George | fvwm2?!?! |
21:29.44 | wethrin | fvwm2 |
21:29.49 | murb | nought wrong with fvwm2 |
21:30.02 | George | hrrmph |
21:30.10 | George | what's wrong with KDE? |
21:30.14 | wethrin | It has virtual desktops. And it doesn't get in the way |
21:30.16 | wethrin | KDE it bloated |
21:30.26 | George | I disagree |
21:30.36 | wethrin | But...it is. |
21:30.48 | George | I still disagree |
21:30.50 | wethrin | Why? |
21:30.57 | wethrin | You think it's lean and small? |
21:31.00 | George | because I have to |
21:31.05 | wethrin | ? |
21:31.16 | George | I'm meant to love KDE |
21:31.17 | George | :) |
21:31.44 | wethrin | Why? |
21:32.00 | George | I think it's probably part of the TOC for a kde.org email address |
21:32.01 | George | ;) |
21:32.09 | George | er. |
21:32.25 | George | s/TOC/terms and conditions/; |
21:34.15 | wethrin | Have you read them? |
21:34.30 | George | no, I'm talking about the unwritten terms and conditions :) |
21:34.44 | wethrin | So a load of crap, really |
21:34.59 | George | gah, you're so blunt |
21:35.03 | wethrin | Yes |
21:35.06 | George | you can't see a joke if it's staring you in the face |
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21:35.19 | wethrin | John! |
21:35.19 | George | you probably think isihac is a drama |
21:35.29 | Tarragon | Woot! Fedora core 2 |
21:35.38 | wethrin | What? It's not a soap?! |
21:36.03 | wethrin | Tarragon: That's a reason for a w00t? |
21:37.14 | Tarragon | Well after the trouble I have had to get it yes |
21:38.14 | wethrin | Bittorrent? |
21:39.12 | Tarragon | Nah! Russian friend I know. Also got Suse 9.1 boxed etc middle of last week |
21:39.32 | Tarragon | And just for you Slack 9.1 |
21:39.42 | wethrin | Woohoo! |
21:40.46 | Tarragon | Well I thought I had better give it a real chance before complaining about it |
21:40.53 | wethrin | Good man :) |