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| 09:35.05 | pawel | morning. |
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| 10:56.32 | Tarragon | Afternoon |
| 11:25.44 | wethrin | Hi |
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| 12:18.06 | murb | good afternoon |
| 12:19.12 | skugg | good afternoon :) |
| 12:37.07 | skugg | I'm trying to correct the errors reported by the CPAN-testers against my module |
| 12:37.07 | skugg | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:37.10 | skugg | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.59 | wethrin | Are you being silly and using Perl? :)| |
| 12:43.24 | skugg | yep. |
| 12:43.30 | skugg | lots better than php, don't you think? :) |
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| 12:46.55 | wethrin | I disagree. |
| 12:46.57 | wethrin | Perl is evil. |
| 12:47.07 | wethrin | A write-once language |
| 12:48.31 | wethrin | ETOOHOT |
| 12:48.54 | skugg | wethrin: that depends on the programmer. |
| 12:49.18 | wethrin | Hm. Maybe most Perl programmers try to show off, which is why their code is unreadable |
| 12:49.36 | Leeds | hmm... it appears that the San Francisco marathon started about 50 minutes ago... |
| 12:49.37 | skugg | otoh, php doesn't even support _writing_ code in a sensible manner... ;) |
| 12:49.46 | wethrin | It does :) |
| 12:49.54 | wethrin | Leeds: I take it you're not taking part? |
| 12:50.12 | Leeds | well... I was considering trying to register for the 5k run run... |
| 12:50.20 | Leeds | aka fun walk |
| 12:50.32 | wethrin | DYM fun run, rather than run run? |
| 12:50.40 | skugg | wethrin: perl is very flexible, and yes, it is easy to write unreadable code in it. |
| 12:50.57 | Leeds | bah - it's 5:50 am - you expect me to type English? |
| 12:51.10 | wethrin | Flexible. Like something that allows you to tie yourself up in knots with |
| 12:51.42 | skugg | wethrin: there is more than one way to do it... |
| 12:52.09 | skugg | i've not tried python, really, so i don't know how it is. |
| 12:52.17 | skugg | i think my coworkers should be forced to use it. |
| 12:52.32 | murb | Leeds: go back to sleep then! |
| 12:52.39 | skugg | maybe then they would finally learn to indent their fscking code properly! |
| 12:52.46 | Leeds | it's good... |
| 12:53.28 | Leeds | murb: you think I'm up now by choice? |
| 12:53.30 | skugg | i never really saw the benefit of mandatory indenting in a programming language before I saw the code some of my coworkers produce. |
| 12:57.18 | gregj | happends |
| 12:58.54 | Leeds | skugg: yeah, that's sort of the point |
| 12:59.22 | Leeds | if you normally indent, you don't have to change much - and if you don't normally indent, well, you should :-) |
| 12:59.26 | skugg | Leeds: i still think it shouldn't be necessary though... people that can't indent properly shouldn't be coding :) |
| 12:59.46 | wethrin | And then there's multiple indenting styles.. |
| 12:59.58 | skugg | wethrin: thanks but no thanks. have you written anything in it? |
| 13:00.02 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 13:00.05 | Leeds | wethrin: no brackets... so most of the indent style questions go away |
| 13:00.18 | skugg | wethrin: poor soul. |
| 13:00.24 | wethrin | This was out of choice :) |
| 13:00.31 | skugg | Leeds: i guess that's a plus ;) |
| 13:01.16 | Leeds | skugg: if you have to indent, you don't need brackets... |
| 13:01.47 | wethrin | Is it space indented, or tab indented? |
| 13:02.01 | skugg | Leeds: yeah, i know. I'm just saying that not having indent-style wars would be a plus ;) |
| 13:02.20 | skugg | wethrin: doesn't matter as long as it's consistent (am I right leeds?) |
| 13:02.22 | Leeds | either - I think a tab is held to be 8 spaces... apparently, that's seen as a big mistake, and it should be treated as space indented only |
| 13:02.53 | wethrin | So a tab should be expanded to 8 spaces. Makes sense :) |
| 13:03.04 | Leeds | and if you treat it as space indented, you can use whatever level of indent you like, as long - as skugg says - as you're consistent |
| 13:03.11 | wethrin | emacs tends to automatically DTRT if you're in a certain mode |
| 13:03.27 | wethrin | Leeds: What if you're George, and don't believe in indenting using spaces? :) |
| 13:03.41 | murb | Leeds: why are you up then? |
| 13:03.52 | Leeds | wethrin: well, then you're a fool and should stick to C++ |
| 13:04.14 | wethrin | Because only fools use C++ willingly? :) |
| 13:04.17 | Leeds | murb: standard fucked-up sleeping patterns, with the addition of being in a very wrong timezine |
| 13:04.26 | murb | oh urgle :( |
| 13:04.42 | murb | wethrin: have you phone eurostar? |
| 13:04.43 | murb | d |
| 13:04.46 | wethrin | No. |
| 13:04.52 | wethrin | That requires being organised. |
| 13:09.41 | eye69 | Managed to break my PDA yesterday. |
| 13:09.57 | wethrin | D'oh! |
| 13:10.21 | eye69 | Accidentally shoved it into the very hard floor. |
| 13:10.36 | eye69 | I brought the sync station today so I can do a backup. |
| 13:10.37 | wethrin | Oops. |
| 13:10.46 | wethrin | How did you do that? |
| 13:11.06 | eye69 | PDA on desk...PDA not on desk anymore, after a sweeping motion of my arm. |
| 13:11.17 | wethrin | Oh. Isn't that just dropping it, then? |
| 13:11.34 | wethrin | Shoving it implies giving gravity a bit of a helping hand |
| 13:11.55 | eye69 | Let's not get technical. It's broken, and I'm pissed. |
| 13:12.32 | wethrin | But you get to buy a shiny new PDA |
| 13:12.35 | eye69 | One half of the display got shattered, so it still works. |
| 13:12.45 | wethrin | Ah. So you can still backup |
| 13:12.50 | eye69 | No, since I don't have the money for it. |
| 13:12.53 | wethrin | Oh. |
| 13:13.27 | eye69 | It was kind of a crappy PDA (Visor Deluxe), but it was mine and I had use for it. |
| 13:13.50 | Leeds | I saw a Palm IIIxe for sale here - reconditioned - for about $30 |
| 13:14.10 | eye69 | I don't have _any_ money. |
| 13:14.14 | Leeds | ah |
| 13:15.29 | eye69 | Now I'm downloading Doom3. I hope it's good enough to be some sort of a constellation. |
| 13:15.45 | wethrin | It looks like Quake2 :) |
| 13:15.59 | Leeds | a collection of stars? |
| 13:16.03 | eye69 | 700kB/s now. *ducks* |
| 13:16.31 | eye69 | Leeds: Hmmm, what's the damned word then |
| 13:16.31 | eye69 | ? |
| 13:16.41 | wethrin | Pff. See, with that kind of bandwidth, we can't really be too sympathetic for a broken PDA :) |
| 13:16.53 | eye69 | consolation |
| 13:20.28 | eye69 | wethrin: :) |
| 13:48.26 | JAV | afternoon |
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| 15:27.14 | formi | allo! |
| 15:32.46 | morsing | allo! |
| 15:34.30 | formi | kind of tricky getting all set up |
| 15:41.41 | formi | finding a free ftp server that is not a pain to use is not very easy |
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| 15:52.13 | pawel | hi guys. |
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| 17:15.51 | Leeds | weather sucks |
| 17:16.01 | wethrin | Not nice here |
| 17:16.08 | wethrin | s/not/It's/ |
| 17:16.08 | murb | !localtime Leeds |
| 17:16.37 | Leeds | 1016 |
| 17:17.58 | Leeds | getting to breakfast time :-) |
| 17:18.13 | murb | have you slept since 05XY? |
| 17:20.34 | Leeds | dozed some, read some... showered... |
| 17:21.51 | wethrin | Hm. Bittorrent (at least Azureus) seems to be working considerably better since I limited the upload rate |
| 17:22.37 | Leeds | if that's compared to an unlimited upload, then yes - I tend to find that an unlimited upload will crowd out the connection |
| 17:24.01 | morsing | How was Zach doing? |
| 17:26.43 | wethrin | He'll be travelling. |
| 17:26.57 | wethrin | Leeds: Yeah. |
| 17:27.57 | morsing | Where's his first stop? |
| 17:28.11 | wethrin | Not sure, actually. |
| 17:29.43 | Leeds | seeya later tonight, or tomorrow |
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| 19:35.21 | RevRob | evening all |
| 19:35.50 | wethrin | 'ello. |
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| 19:37.19 | RevRob_ | brb |
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| 19:37.31 | RevRob | back |
| 19:38.23 | wethrin | wb |
| 19:38.54 | murb | bouncy? |
| 19:39.09 | RevRob | just trying to fix my xchat so I don't sign onto channels that aren't being used anymore |
| 19:40.03 | RevRob | anyone read the articles on Linux Pro (the small sub-mag/paid advertisement that comes with Linux Format) .. the Sept issue is talking about linux in school and such.. pretty good. |
| 19:40.21 | wethrin | Nay. That requires reading Linux Format, doesn't it? :) |
| 19:40.33 | murb | expensive magazines. |
| 19:40.41 | murb | who buys computer mags? |
| 19:41.02 | murb | what is the point of reading ill informed out of date articles? |
| 19:41.21 | RevRob | I buy them... I found they are generally useful. I bought the year subscription to linux format.. |
| 19:41.55 | murb | fosdem t-shirt raffle++ |
| 19:42.13 | RevRob | given that trying to find useful info on the 'net most of the time is futile, I don't mind reading the mags. The net has way too much shit on it to weed through to find the good stuff. |
| 19:42.15 | morsing | SysAdmin magazine is really good |
| 19:42.49 | RevRob | I buy that from time to time as well. |
| 19:43.38 | wethrin | murb: A lot of things don't matter if they're written a month or two back. |
| 19:43.43 | wethrin | News articles, maybe. |
| 19:43.54 | wethrin | But, say, configuring irssi is hardly likely to change |
| 19:44.45 | RevRob | yeah, there are loads in the mags that won't change with age.. |
| 19:45.11 | RevRob | I've gone back to some a year old to get some bit of published code or something, or even a reference to some thing. |
| 19:47.16 | pawel | hi robert. :) |
| 19:48.20 | RevRob | howdy |
| 19:49.23 | RevRob | I see there is no date set for the next meeting. I haven't been to one for a long while.. |
| 19:49.47 | pawel | yeah, who will take zachary duties? :) |
| 19:49.51 | wethrin | Why don't you come to Lonix? |
| 19:50.10 | RevRob | when is that? |
| 19:50.51 | wethrin | Thursday. |
| 19:51.01 | wethrin | At the Beer Festival in Olympia. |
| 19:52.30 | RevRob | hmm might have to give that some thought |
| 19:53.27 | RevRob | do they have a website? |
| 19:53.34 | wethrin | www.lonix.org.uk |
| 19:53.38 | wethrin | And www.camra.org.uk |
| 19:53.47 | wethrin | There's lots of really unhealthy food. |
| 19:53.51 | wethrin | w00t |
| 19:54.18 | RevRob | what??!?!? They eat fruit and veg at these meetings? That's just wrong!!! |
| 19:54.36 | wethrin | Pff. |
| 19:54.40 | RevRob | should be beer and deep fried stuff only! |
| 19:54.45 | wethrin | Pork pies. Pork scratchings. Sausages. Burgers. |
| 19:55.01 | wethrin | Oh, and there's cider and stuff. |
| 19:55.01 | RevRob | who's the "robust" bloke on the lonix website that appears to be passed out in his chair? |
| 19:55.23 | RevRob | never like cider much. beer is good by me.. |
| 19:55.56 | wethrin | That's Gary. |
| 19:56.07 | RevRob | and he is? |
| 19:56.09 | wethrin | Who sometimes comes to Gllug. |
| 19:58.07 | murb | and failed to come to copenhagen. |
| 19:58.34 | wethrin | Yeah. |
| 19:58.38 | wethrin | Foodtime! |
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| 20:02.34 | Clyphox | moo |
| 20:02.51 | morsing | baa |
| 20:03.03 | Clyphox | greets |
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| 20:54.23 | wethrin | Hello |
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| 20:58.05 | wethrin | Hi le |
| 20:58.11 | wethrin | Leeds: |
| 20:58.23 | Leeds | hi we |
| 21:01.07 | wethrin | Don't do tab completion on a laggy connection |
| 21:23.50 | wethrin | Leeds: What's the chance of getting any sort of serial-console-type setup going in Mailbox? |
| 21:25.16 | Leeds | um |
| 21:26.18 | Leeds | we have, in theory, the two j-colo machines hooked up back-to-bacl, but it's never been tested or used... dunno about your box |
| 21:26.49 | wethrin | You don't have a second serial port, then? |
| 21:29.08 | Leeds | possibly |
| 21:29.55 | wethrin | I'll see if I can see one :) |
| 21:30.24 | wethrin | What's the domain that Yoz's machine are hosting as? |
| 21:30.40 | wethrin | I can never remember, and it's what Mailbox has in their records. |
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| 21:32.20 | Leeds | isn't it caliginous.com? Which is Dan's, not Yoz's |
| 21:32.41 | wethrin | Er. Okay. But yes, that's the one, thanks. |
| 21:33.13 | Leeds | doubt it :-( |
| 21:33.36 | wethrin | Well, as long as it's not lost, as I can't issue another one, seeing that the funds are already drawn. |
| 21:33.39 | wethrin | :-/ |
| 21:34.35 | Leeds | but surely if it's not paid in the money has to go *somewhere* |
| 21:34.45 | Leeds | you'd be leaving the house before they open up for the day? |
| 21:34.46 | wethrin | Nope. |
| 21:34.51 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 21:34.56 | wethrin | I'd leave before 8. |
| 21:35.14 | wethrin | I think it sits in Nationwide's coffers. |
| 21:35.35 | Leeds | that seems wrong. |
| 21:35.37 | wethrin | But I'd need the whole cheque back to get money returned. |
| 21:35.50 | wethrin | Yeah. But it's the way they do it on their Investdirect account. |
| 21:35.57 | wethrin | I didn't know that until after I wrote it. |
| 21:38.10 | Leeds | but surely they can't just take the money off you if it's not deposited! I could understand if they returned the money and |
| 21:38.24 | Leeds | kept the interest, but surely they can't keep the money |
| 21:39.05 | wethrin | Unfortunately not. They said I'd have to send the cheque back to their central location. |
| 21:39.47 | wethrin | Which is entirely silly to my mind. |
| 21:39.49 | wethrin | But there you go. |
| 21:40.01 | Leeds | sounds very dodgy to me |
| 21:40.33 | Leeds | anyway, the banking is in Yoz's hands - which means that until he gets it sorted, he's responsible for paying bills from his own pocket |
| 21:40.44 | Leeds | seemed a reasonable incentive :-) |
| 21:41.32 | wethrin | Fair enough :) |
| 21:42.02 | wethrin | But if they refuse to take the cheque, he needs to send it back to me, and not throw it away. |
| 21:42.45 | wethrin | Oh well. Fingers crossed it's nothing serious tomorrow :) |
| 22:04.37 | morsing | g'night! |
| 22:14.36 | pawel | :) |
| 22:14.57 | wethrin | :)? |
| 22:15.39 | pawel | 8-) |
| 22:16.36 | pawel | :) |
| 22:17.46 | wethrin | Oh,, okay :) |
| 23:01.40 | wethrin | g'night all |
| 23:04.10 | JAV | night |
| 23:18.45 | JAV | Leeds: congratulations :D |
| 23:55.09 | Leeds | JAV: why? |