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`00:00.25`	`Marios_`	`I didn't read the whole discussion..cause I am working on some other things at the same time ;)`
`00:00.36`	`highbury`	`rhowe: not sure i understand your question, the box provides wireless has ethernet "internet" port and 4 ordinary ethernet ports`
`00:01.11`	`rhowe`	`highbury: Those 4 ports are probably a built in switch, rather than distinct interfaces`
`00:01.22`	`rhowe`	`highbury: In fact, I'm 99% sure they are`
`00:01.44`	`rhowe`	`highbury: IIRC there's an ethernet link from the WRT hardware to a built in switch, which has 5 ports - that internal one, and the 4 external ones you see`
`00:01.46`	`highbury`	`what do you mean by "distinct interfaces"?`
`00:01.50`	`Marios_`	`yeah most probably there is a switch there`
`00:03.05`	`rhowe`	`highbury: It's like putting 4 NICs in a PC or plugging the PC into a 5 port ethernet switch - it's different`
`00:03.22`	`rhowe`	`highbury: You can't do access control between the ports if it's just a switch (unless it's an intelligent switch)`
`00:03.46`	`highbury`	`ahh switch vs hub`
`00:04.08`	`highbury`	`I'm not sure of the level of control yet between each port`
`00:04.19`	`rhowe`	`No, switch vs seperate ports`
`00:04.34`	`rhowe`	`I'm sure it's a built in switch`
`00:09.38`	`Marios_`	`so rhowe..both my routers have built-in firewall...`
`00:09.52`	`Marios_`	`is there any preferences which on is inside ?`
`00:09.59`	`highbury`	`ADSL----> WRT54G +----> Smoothwall -----> network hub`
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`00:10.23`	`highbury`	`is what I guess I'm currently envisioning`
`00:10.30`	`rhowe`	`Marios_: Whichever is most flexible and trustworthy? :)`
`00:10.42`	`Marios_`	`both are the same brand`
`00:10.46`	`Marios_`	`;)`
`00:11.21`	`rhowe`	`Debian? :P`
`00:11.42`	`highbury`	`the box says 4 switched ports`
`00:11.51`	`Marios_`	`in my wireless router there is an ethernet port (in case someone wants to add wired connections) it is from that port that I should connect it with the wired router right ?`
`00:12.05`	`rhowe`	`Marios_: Yup`
`00:12.06`	`highbury`	`Marios_: its always a good idea to use different firewalls if possible`
`00:12.31`	`Marios_`	`I should soon buy a separate one`
`00:12.36`	`rhowe`	`highbury: Lemme go get a book I bought in China. Quite a good book it is too`
`00:12.45`	`rhowe`	`ORA - "Designing Large Scale LANs"`
`00:14.26`	`Marios_`	`highbury: make sure you allow only specific MAC addresses on your wireless router`
`00:15.11`	`Marios_`	`cause in my building nobody does and I have been using my laptop without having wireless router myself`
`00:15.21`	`highbury`	`I guess I'll be wanting to hand configure each wireless guest`
`00:15.33`	`Marios_`	`yes`
`00:16.33`	`Marios_`	`this is what I am actually doing now`
`00:16.47`	`Marios_`	`highbury: do you prefer ADSL over cable ?`
`00:22.24`	`rhowe`	`highbury: How many interfaces does the smoothwall have?`
`00:26.55`	`rhowe`	`http://siksai.co.uk/~rhowe/highbury-lan.png`
`00:29.02`	`highbury`	`Marios_: I don't understand your question`
`00:29.34`	`highbury`	`rhowe: my smoothwall box currently has 2 ethernet cards`
`00:29.53`	`highbury`	`http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9218&highlight=wrt54g`
`00:30.34`	`rhowe`	`highbury: OK`
`00:31.01`	`rhowe`	`highbury: Then I would add another and have the smoothwall do all the work.. that way you'll get IDS on the WLAN too. Should be possible to stick the WRT into bridging mode`
`00:31.19`	`rhowe`	`Plus, it'll be easy to filter whatever you like`
`00:34.34`	`highbury`	`i.e.`
`00:34.47`	`highbury`	`ADSL----> Smoothwall -[GREEN]---> network hub`
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`00:35.13`	`rhowe`	`Yeah`
`00:35.28`	`rhowe`	`You could stick shared devices on the switch built into the WRT54, like the printer`
`00:35.44`	`rhowe`	`I'd use that as a way to put devices on the WLAN which don't have 802.11 interfaces`
`00:37.47`	`highbury`	`ok, its bed time now, and I have to take some water up for baby. thanks for your help.`
`00:40.15`	`highbury`	`nn`
`00:40.21`	`rhowe`	`'night`
`01:08.36`	`Marios_`	`highbury: are you still there?`
`01:09.20`	`rhowe`	`Doubt it`
`01:09.23`	`Marios_`	`heheh`
`01:09.29`	`Marios_`	`I wasn't here either`
`01:09.44`	`Marios_`	`well how about you rhowe... what do you prefer cable or ADSL ?`
`01:10.04`	`rhowe`	`Marios_: I've never used cable, so I really don't know`
`01:10.09`	`Marios_`	`I see`
`01:10.18`	`Marios_`	`are you in London ?`
`01:10.18`	`rhowe`	`Cable sounds easier to interface with`
`01:10.46`	`rhowe`	`Don't you just get ethernet out of the wall, pretty much?`
`01:10.52`	`rhowe`	`Yep, Hendon NW4`
`01:11.09`	`Marios_`	`no !!`
`01:11.26`	`Marios_`	`what you get is an ugly coaxial cable ;)`
`01:11.41`	`Marios_`	`then you need a cable modem which outputs ethernet`
`01:11.44`	`rhowe`	`Well yes, but that will be bridged onto an ethernet segment by the cable modem, no?`
`01:11.54`	`rhowe`	`The cable modem won't be doing NAT though, right?`
`01:12.00`	`Marios_`	`nope`
`01:12.11`	`rhowe`	`Which makes it much better than DSL for me :P`
`01:12.33`	`rhowe`	`So maybe I should look at getting cable`
`01:12.33`	`Marios_`	`does the DSL modem do NAT ?`
`01:13.11`	`rhowe`	`No, but it outputs ethernet, which requires me to run PPPoE, which doesn't work very well`
`01:13.11`	`Marios_`	`ohhh`
`01:13.19`	`Marios_`	`so you stay in NW4...I was looking online for houses there ;)`
`01:13.23`	`rhowe`	`I'm going to be getting a proper DSL card for the firewall, but they're expensive`
`01:13.33`	`rhowe`	`heh, I need a flatmate, starting in a week :P`
`01:13.42`	`rhowe`	`475/month plus taxes and bills (each)`
`01:13.59`	`Marios_`	`cool`
`01:14.10`	`Marios_`	`I wish I was alone ;)`
`01:14.24`	`Marios_`	`but my wife is coming to`
`01:15.01`	`rhowe`	`heh, you don't want her to hear you say that :P`
`01:15.08`	`Marios_`	`no I don't`
`01:15.10`	`Marios_`	`hehehehe`
`01:15.27`	`Marios_`	`you know it is nice to be married but sometimes you miss your single times`
`01:17.25`	`Marios_`	`she is in Hong Kong right ?`
`01:17.30`	`rhowe`	`Yep`
`01:17.34`	`Marios_`	`cool`
`01:17.45`	`Marios_`	`how did you meet her in the UK ?`
`01:18.00`	`rhowe`	`She was studying in Manchester`
`01:18.04`	`rhowe`	`I found her on ICQ, of all things`
`01:18.09`	`Marios_`	`hahahahahh`
`01:18.15`	`Marios_`	`nice story`
`01:18.23`	`Marios_`	`I met my wife on IRC`
`01:18.25`	`rhowe`	`She was on a scholarship from HSBC and was living about 10mins walk away`
`01:18.30`	`rhowe`	`hehe`
`01:18.57`	`Marios_`	`so are you moving there or is she coming in London ?`
`01:19.16`	`rhowe`	`Dunno yet - probably going to have to move over there`
`01:20.03`	`Marios_`	`yeah`
`01:20.42`	`Marios_`	`you need to learn chinese right ?`
`01:21.37`	`rhowe`	`Well, it'd help, but isn't necessary`
`01:22.13`	`Marios_`	`my best friend got married with a Japanese girl and now he speaks Japanese very well`
`01:23.24`	`rhowe`	`Japanese is hard :)`
`01:23.29`	`rhowe`	`Especially to write`
`01:23.44`	`Marios_`	`I know`
`01:24.05`	`Marios_`	`but if you have the will to learn...everything is possible`
`01:24.55`	`rhowe`	`True`
`01:25.06`	`rhowe`	`I don't think I'm going to have the will if I'm not out there though`
`01:25.38`	`Marios_`	`well for every language is better to learn it in the place that is widely spoken`
`01:26.04`	`rhowe`	`Yep`
`01:26.20`	`rhowe`	`Except English, where living in England is likely to ruin the English of anyone attempting to learn the language :)`
`01:27.10`	`Marios_`	`hehhehhe`
`01:27.36`	`Marios_`	`I learned English in the US so I don't know`
`07:27.33`	`highbury`	`morning`
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`11:47.30`	`morsing`	`morning`
`11:48.38`	`gregj`	`morning`
`11:48.39`	`gregj`	`;)`
`11:54.09`	`morsing`	`How's the weather?`
`11:55.40`	`gregj`	`where ?`
`11:55.42`	`gregj`	`in PL ?`
`11:55.44`	`gregj`	`so so`
`11:55.55`	`gregj`	`sunny, but with strong wind`
`11:56.03`	`gregj`	`it's fall, almost`
`11:56.48`	`morsing`	`Ok`
`11:56.53`	`morsing`	`No sun here`
`11:57.11`	`gregj`	`well, it's probably raining in england now`
`11:57.26`	`gregj`	`it's raining here too, but not toda`
`11:57.27`	`gregj`	`y`
`11:57.37`	`gregj`	`from time to time, sporadic`
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`12:05.43`	`morsing`	`What?!?`
`12:09.00`	`gregj`	`spam`
`12:10.20`	`pawel`	`:-E`
`12:10.44`	`pawel`	`neeeeed your bloood.`
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`12:49.56`	`rhowe`	`morsing: hehe - still giving grief? :)`
`12:51.20`	`rhowe`	`morsing: Can't you just slice off the locking tag and use something more commonplace? :)`
`12:52.39`	`morsing`	`I don't understand it.`
`12:52.54`	`morsing`	`It's got one MMJ connector with a printer symbol on it.`
`12:53.06`	`morsing`	`But I only get two smiley faces when turning o`
`12:53.08`	`morsing`	`it on`
`12:53.22`	`rhowe`	`heh`
`12:53.39`	`rhowe`	`Drawn as colon-dash-paren?`
`12:53.57`	`morsing`	`No a proper smiley.`
`12:54.07`	`morsing`	`I little face`
`12:54.18`	`rhowe`	`Hm, well then it's sending 8 bit characters`
`12:54.26`	`rhowe`	`Maybe the baud rate is wrong or something?`
`12:54.34`	`morsing`	`It's set to VT100 9600-n-8`