| 01:28.08 | *** join/#gllug laomao (~laomao@wibbleworld1.demon.co.uk) |
| 01:28.14 | laomao | anyone awake? |
| 01:28.23 | George | yes |
| 01:28.29 | laomao | :-) |
| 01:29.03 | laomao | my keyboard is wrong in x; it should be a uk one |
| 01:29.15 | laomao | i tried just changing the bit in xorg.conf |
| 01:29.20 | laomao | and loadkeys uk |
| 01:29.24 | laomao | still wrong :-( |
| 01:29.29 | George | loadkeys only affects the console |
| 01:29.37 | laomao | okay |
| 01:29.52 | George | you have Option "XkbLayout" "uk"? |
| 01:30.14 | laomao | Option "XkbLayout" "uk" |
| 01:30.21 | George | hrmm |
| 01:30.27 | laomao | is what's in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:30.37 | George | what does the X log file say? |
| 01:31.08 | evangineer | it should be gb not uk |
| 01:31.37 | George | evangineer: you sure? |
| 01:31.41 | laomao | evangineer: it was gb originally |
| 01:31.59 | George | laomao: do cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i xkb |
| 01:32.04 | George | laomao: see if anything interesting comes up |
| 01:32.11 | laomao | was wrong then; so I checked in console with loadkeys, to check if this was a uk one |
| 01:32.14 | laomao | George: ok |
| 01:32.41 | evangineer | hmm, perhaps gb is wrong |
| 01:32.44 | George | and yes, it should be gb |
| 01:32.45 | laomao | George: although you should be kinder to cats |
| 01:32.53 | George | laomao: ? |
| 01:33.09 | laomao | George: you didn't need cat in your suggestion :-) |
| 01:33.17 | George | laomao: yes yes :P |
| 01:33.27 | laomao | George: no errors in that log... |
| 01:33.37 | laomao | (**) Option "XkbRules" "xorg" |
| 01:33.38 | laomao | (**) XKB: rules: "xorg" |
| 01:33.38 | laomao | (**) Option "XkbModel" "pc101" |
| 01:33.38 | laomao | (**) XKB: model: "pc101" |
| 01:33.38 | laomao | (**) Option "XkbLayout" "uk" |
| 01:33.40 | laomao | (**) XKB: layout: "uk" |
| 01:33.46 | George | change it back to gb |
| 01:33.47 | laomao | but i will change it to gb |
| 01:33.49 | laomao | ok |
| 01:33.53 | George | it should be gb |
| 01:34.03 | George | I got confused because the macintosh keymap for uk is called uk |
| 01:35.40 | laomao | can I restart x without losing my connection in this terminal? |
| 01:35.50 | evangineer | doubtful |
| 01:36.31 | *** join/#gllug laomao (~laomao@wibbleworld1.demon.co.uk) |
| 01:36.39 | laomao | hello again |
| 01:36.54 | laomao | still the same |
| 01:37.06 | laomao | @ and " wrong way rounf |
| 01:37.17 | evangineer | hmm |
| 01:37.28 | George | hrmm |
| 01:39.37 | laomao | do you think its anything to do with the "XkbModel" "pc101" |
| 01:39.47 | evangineer | ah, good question |
| 01:40.30 | evangineer | laptop or desktop? |
| 01:41.17 | laomao | its DESKTOP |
| 01:41.24 | evangineer | try pc105 |
| 01:41.24 | laomao | i think i have 106 keys |
| 01:41.34 | laomao | maybe i miscounted |
| 01:43.11 | *** join/#gllug laomao (~laomao@wibbleworld1.demon.co.uk) |
| 01:43.15 | laomao | hello again |
| 01:43.25 | evangineer | how is it now? |
| 01:43.31 | laomao | the same! |
| 01:43.34 | laomao | @" |
| 01:43.35 | evangineer | ouch |
| 01:43.35 | laomao | :-( |
| 01:43.43 | laomao | Option "XkbRules" "xorg" |
| 01:43.43 | laomao | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.43 | laomao | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.50 | laomao | that's the current setting |
| 01:44.59 | evangineer | still doing loadkeys uk? |
| 01:45.38 | laomao | haven't tried that |
| 01:45.49 | laomao | although its fine if i am not in x |
| 01:46.18 | laomao | and loadkeys us makes it behave like it is behaving now |
| 01:46.46 | evangineer | try loadkeys uk |
| 01:47.04 | laomao | ok |
| 01:47.06 | evangineer | if only to eliminate as a solution |
| 01:47.09 | laomao | made no difference |
| 01:47.44 | evangineer | requires further study then |
| 01:48.07 | evangineer | in other news, I knocked up a python cgi this afternoon to send sms messages. |
| 01:48.24 | laomao | well done :) |
| 01:49.46 | evangineer | then I might have a go at hooking the receiving sms part up to jabber or irc |
| 01:50.07 | George | laomao: if you still haven't got it working, try XkbDisable true, then loadkeys uk |
| 01:50.12 | George | laomao: it should then use the console keymap |
| 01:50.22 | laomao | that's a clever idea |
| 01:51.00 | evangineer | a new job would be a most excellent xmas pressie. |
| 01:51.02 | George | evangineer: with whom? |
| 01:51.38 | George | I was hoping that Linux Mag would pay me by xmas, but alas, it is not to be |
| 01:51.42 | evangineer | some telecoms startup outfit in the docklands |
| 01:51.44 | George | nice |
| 01:52.02 | evangineer | voip stuff |
| 01:52.16 | George | cool |
| 01:52.17 | *** join/#gllug laomao (~laomao@wibbleworld1.demon.co.uk) |
| 01:52.23 | laomao | 3 cheers for George! |
| 01:52.33 | George | laomao: hrmm? |
| 01:52.35 | evangineer | nice one George |
| 01:52.41 | George | laomao: it worked? |
| 01:53.00 | George | no, don't. |
| 01:53.07 | George | you don't want to be sent to prison for paedophilia. |
| 01:53.34 | laomao | i read about that teacher who got sent to jail for sleeping with her student |
| 01:53.50 | laomao | he was 14 I think |
| 01:53.57 | George | ye gods. |
| 01:54.06 | George | yes, but in this case I'm the teacher and you're the student. |
| 01:54.23 | evangineer | O.o |
| 01:54.23 | laomao | thank you for being patient with the slow old cat |
| 01:54.33 | George | lol |
| 01:54.37 | laomao | ibot laomao |
| 01:54.38 | ibot | hmm... laomao is an old cat with a bad temper and sharp claws. Mrs Cope |
| 01:54.58 | George | anyway |
| 01:55.03 | George | that's how I get a sane keymap on my powerbook |
| 01:55.06 | George | by disabling xkb |
| 01:55.13 | laomao | i go to bed now |
| 01:55.16 | George | I don't know how to write xkb keymaps |
| 01:55.20 | laomao | thanks for helping |
| 01:55.22 | George | but I can write the other ones ;) |
| 01:55.23 | evangineer | nn laomao |
| 01:55.26 | George | nite |
| 01:55.48 | George | my oversized heatsink should be arriving tomorrow |
| 01:57.05 | George | wow |
| 01:58.05 | *** join/#gllug Cope (~sanelson@wibbleworld1.demon.co.uk) |
| 01:58.08 | George | yoyo Cope |
| 01:58.13 | George | Cope: go to bed |
| 01:58.18 | Cope | but i want tea |
| 01:58.28 | George | at this time you need coffee |
| 01:58.29 | George | :P |
| 01:58.41 | George | Cope: laomao woke you up then? |
| 01:58.43 | Cope | i have a coffee machine, but no coffee |
| 01:58.50 | Cope | George: yeah |
| 01:58.54 | George | lol |
| 01:59.00 | George | I just fixed her keymaps |
| 01:59.06 | Cope | oh cool |
| 01:59.16 | Cope | i didn't know they were brokeb |
| 01:59.29 | George | apparently it was set to a us layout |
| 01:59.46 | Cope | oh ok; that'll be my lazy auto-pilot x config |
| 01:59.56 | Cope | i use us keyboards |
| 01:59.58 | George | well, in the end I got her to disable xkb |
| 02:00.01 | Cope | as i get them free from work |
| 02:00.06 | George | Cope: haha |
| 02:00.14 | George | Cope: I'm used to the brain dead Apple UK layout |
| 02:00.27 | George | Cope: have you seen apple's uk keyboard layout? |
| 02:00.35 | Cope | actually i am so rarely in x that i don't think about it |
| 02:00.40 | Cope | George: no is it unusual? |
| 02:00.45 | George | oh yes |
| 02:00.55 | Cope | oh yeah hang on |
| 02:00.55 | George | http://www.gwright.org.uk/images/pictures/PowerBook/TiBook-Keyboard.jpg |
| 02:01.01 | George | Cope: try and find a # key on that keyboard. |
| 02:01.13 | Cope | comma is in the wrong place, and that funny pie shaped thing |
| 02:01.29 | George | comma is in the right place. |
| 02:01.32 | George | look at that photo |
| 02:01.39 | Cope | If i remember from the imac thing we had once |
| 02:02.55 | Cope | heh |
| 02:03.05 | Cope | i give up, there is no # |
| 02:03.10 | George | yes, there isn't |
| 02:03.18 | George | I remapped it to that stupid key with the ± on it |
| 02:03.21 | George | next to the 1 |
| 02:03.41 | George | it's actually alt-3 |
| 02:03.49 | George | but I don't like using key combos for commonly used characters |
| 02:03.54 | Cope | agreed |
| 02:04.17 | Cope | how on earth did you make that +- sign? |
| 02:04.17 | evangineer | Cope: I knocked up a python cgi this afternoon to send sms messages. |
| 02:04.26 | George | Cope: it's in my keymap |
| 02:04.29 | Cope | evangineer: sweet! |
| 02:04.33 | George | Cope: it's a marked key on my keyboard |
| 02:04.58 | George | Cope: in the console keymap its identifier is "plusminus" |
| 02:05.26 | evangineer | I'm hoping to get receiving sms working tomorrow and then hook it up to jabber or irc |
| 02:05.41 | Cope | nice one |
| 02:05.55 | Cope | if you're around tomorrow I'd love to have a look |
| 02:06.01 | evangineer | I might have an interview this week as well |
| 02:06.02 | George | Cope: keycode 41 = numbersign plusminus |
| 02:06.07 | Cope | i'm working from home today |
| 02:06.11 | evangineer | a new job would be a most excellent xmas pressie. |
| 02:06.29 | Cope | evangineer: yeah... so why is it 'might' have |
| 02:07.00 | evangineer | haven't actually confirmed time or date yet, but they want to interview me this week |
| 02:07.04 | Cope | George: groovy; just trying to think when I'd use it; its the sign for 'clear advantage to white' in chess annotation.... |
| 02:07.14 | George | Cope: haha |
| 02:07.27 | George | Cope: well, it all comes with having a brain dead keymap |
| 02:07.31 | Cope | evangineer: for whom, doing what? |
| 02:07.52 | Cope | i blew up a monitor today :-( |
| 02:07.55 | evangineer | software developer for a voip startup outfit. |
| 02:08.08 | George | Cope: how? |
| 02:08.09 | Cope | programming in what language(s) |
| 02:08.40 | Cope | George: i was wiggling it about to make some space; and it just went BANG and smoke came out |
| 02:08.58 | George | Cope: hehe |
| 02:09.01 | evangineer | Cope: languages are on a project by project basis: php, java, perl and C were the ones mentioned. |
| 02:09.21 | George | evangineer: any C++? |
| 02:09.29 | evangineer | basically whatever needs hacking on |
| 02:09.29 | Cope | evangineer: ok; and how much of said languages do you know, and have you used? |
| 02:09.50 | Cope | Sounds most excellent. |
| 02:10.04 | evangineer | I haven't used php. I hacked a bit of perl and I've written production code in Java and C |
| 02:10.42 | Cope | So now I have only one monitor; and my laptop |
| 02:10.47 | Cope | laomao has the monitor |
| 02:11.00 | Cope | ah was that any good? |
| 02:12.20 | evangineer | it was actually. talks were fast paced and aimed at those with an intermediate and advanced grasp of perl. |
| 02:12.31 | Cope | bash-2.05b$ date |
| 02:12.31 | Cope | Mon Mar 19 08:44:50 UTC 2001 |
| 02:12.46 | Cope | evangineer: excellent |
| 02:13.25 | Cope | ah this is ssh to my desktop |
| 02:13.35 | Cope | the one that no longer has a monitor |
| 02:13.52 | evangineer | ah, ok |
| 02:14.02 | Cope | i've just not sorted it out |
| 02:14.42 | Cope | its a box whose bios I had to hack in order to boot off non-bootable media |
| 02:15.04 | Cope | umm... not non-bootable |
| 02:15.12 | Cope | you know what I mean.... |
| 02:15.16 | evangineer | yes |
| 02:16.55 | Cope | i need a thingy for my laptop |
| 02:17.35 | Cope | its a thinkpad... the thingy is the bit that attaches to the hard disk for pulling it out and pushing it in |
| 02:18.38 | Cope | i have several disks I can use onto which I can install something interesting, but none of the thingies, which makes it tricky |
| 02:19.31 | Cope | which reminds me.... I must download a recent knoppix |
| 02:22.34 | Cope | right; back to bed for a bit, I think. |
| 02:22.38 | Cope | nn for now |
