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00:14.16wethrinEvening
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00:23.24wethrinhello, late-night-Leeds
00:23.36Leedsmorning
00:24.14wethrinGood idea
00:24.23Leedswhich one? :-)
00:24.37wethrinBoth!
00:24.50Leedsokay, in which order?
00:24.58wethrinSleepwalk!
00:25.54Leedshmm... now there's a thought
00:25.54Leedsbit cold to walk in pjs though
00:25.54wethrinFully dressed?
00:26.30Leedsnot so good for sleeping though
00:27.17Leedsplus, it's a bit hard to concentrate on learning Hebrew while sleepwalking
00:27.47wethrinSubliminal learning :)
00:29.30Leedsyeah, I've been working on that
00:42.52Leedsokay, I should go for a wlk
00:43.11wethrinI have 55MB of hard drive space free
00:43.28Leedsthat's... not much
00:43.32wethrinAh, b ut stuff in Trash
00:43.49wethrinUp to 1.3GB
00:44.22Leedsso, empty it
00:44.29wethrinDone
00:44.33wethrinHave fun!
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01:28.16Leedsmorning rhowe
01:28.24Leedsor not...
01:28.48wethrinHas he escaped the country?
01:29.35Leedsyes
01:29.46wethrinAhh
01:29.49Leedsdon't know how long for though
01:30.28wethrinWell, he missed Lonix. That's clearly long enough :)
01:30.40Leedsanyway, it's very very cold outside, was very clear when I went out, but is now clouding over... I've done my 30 minutes a day of Hebrew course, and I've done my 10k paces...
01:30.42wethrinRight. Time for sleep
01:30.44wethring'night
01:30.49Leedsg'night
01:30.50wethrinGood good :)
01:31.38Leedsand cold and tired
01:56.27evangineerwhat sort of python web dev have you done, Leeds? CGI or one of the umpteen frameworks?
01:56.39Leedscgi, and a little zope
01:58.08evangineerI've hacked on a python cgi and have used zope but never coded for it.
01:58.09Leedsdidn't like zope for development - I think it's good for templates and object-based content, but crap for actually coding against
01:58.33Leedszope 3 is meant to be a lot better in that area, but I've not looked at it
01:59.17Leedswhy did you have to hack it?
01:59.43evangineersomething weird about the wxPython debian package in sid
01:59.44Leedsoh, and I was playing with BaseHTTPServer yesterday, which is sort of an anti-CGI - you embed the HTTP server in the script, rather than the other way around :-)
02:00.17evangineerdefaults to a wxPython 2.4 api, rather than it's native 2.5 api
02:00.21Leedsoh, well... debian...
02:01.04Leedsif it doesn't work with "get gtk, wxfoo and python and install from source" I care - otherwise, it's a bug in your distro
02:01.15evangineerafter a long time working out what was going on, I inserted a wxversion.select() in the appropriate place.
02:04.37LeedsI've only looked at a little wxfoo - pygtk works for me if I need that sort of thing, and I have played with tkinter a little, because it's nice and cross-platform and standard
02:10.29evangineerI just wanted to be able to run TaskCoach on my box.
02:13.46Leedssure
02:14.34evangineerso how interested are you in python web dev?
02:15.18Leedswhat do you mean by interested?
02:15.53evangineerwould you consider working on a paid project?
02:16.13Leedsin the past couple of years I've been running a couple of reasonably major 'stand-alone' python web apps for Limmud (charity thing)
02:17.16LeedsI might consider doing it for work, but I'm concerned that I have no background or training in 'web stuff' - so I don't feel I'm really up to calling myself a professional
02:17.38Leedsnot that I couldn't train myself up :-)
02:17.52evangineerindeed
02:18.52Leedsbut I wouldn't think of it as my first target for job hunting - I'd only be interested in it a a python thing really, probably as much as I'd be interested in any python thing
02:20.10Leedsin some ways, I'd prefer to remain stictly a high-quality python amateur :-)
02:20.22evangineerheh
02:20.37Leedsin terms of keeping it for fun personal stuff
02:21.01evangineerfair enough
02:21.39Leedsand as a secret weapon for work stuff - the ability to quickly knock out random applets is a major "I'm a productive employee/team member" skill :-)
02:24.06Leedsjust like my "find random open source app which does what's needed" skill has come in handy a number of times, without it being in any way a core skill
02:24.57Leedsin terms of things like introducing the concept of wiki to the team
02:27.56Leedsanyway, time for bed
02:32.34evangineernn Leeds
02:33.09Leedsnight
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09:11.40rdancermorning
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09:35.53SlayerXPhttp://www.playnicely.com/download/08LondonUnderground.mp3
09:45.22rdancer``The default mode, ENT_COMPAT, is the backwards compatible mode which only translates the double-quote character and leaves the single-quote untranslated.''
09:46.10rdancerhttp://uk.php.net/manual/en/function.htmlspecialchars.php
09:46.28rdanceri want to *kill* at least 3 php language designers
09:46.43rdancernever *ever* php again
09:47.00rdanceronce is being more than too much
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11:11.52Leedsbut I guess everyone else is still asleep :-)
11:13.03wethrinAlmost
11:14.37SlayerXPi'm hungry
11:14.46LeedsI've just had weetabix
11:14.47wethrinMe too. I should have breakfast
11:14.54Leedsso I'm hungry too :-)
11:15.53SlayerXPi shall have cheese on toast
11:16.02SlayerXPbut not til past midday
11:16.02Leedsgood plan
11:16.09Leedswaiting until the sun is over the yardarm, eh?
11:16.15SlayerXPindeed
11:17.43mozratGOOD MORNING
11:17.49mozrat</aol>
11:18.11Leedsmozrat: good morning (there's no morsing here!)
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11:22.58mozratThere can be only one!
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11:50.21mozratLeeds, outrageous
11:53.23cupmorning
11:53.52Leedscup: only just
11:56.18cupso is there an easy way around the adobe password protected files on linux?
11:57.17LeedsI thought newer xpdf supported that sort of thing - and there was a beta of acroread 7 released for Linux last week or so
12:06.42cupah yes it appears you are right, I just don't know the password
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12:07.24SlayerXPjudo44
12:07.26Leedsah, was that the question then? :-)
12:07.38mikejwhey guys
12:08.03Leedsafternoon mikejw
12:08.10mikejw:)
12:08.18mikejwdid everyone have fun the other night?
12:08.45Leedsyup
12:09.10mikejwgreat =]
12:09.44Leedsme too
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12:44.39mikejwcool my ipod shuffle has been dispatched =D
12:45.15Leedsreally?
12:45.15mikejwI think so
12:45.23mikejwexpected delivery time 2, 3 days
12:45.47mikejwit doesn't play oggs, but there you go
12:45.47Leeds1GB I assume
12:46.00mikejwno the smaller one
12:46.05Leedstoo small for me
12:46.09mikejw=]
12:46.30mikejwhmmm
12:46.36skugg_i just want something with oodles of battery time and that takes up no space.
12:46.55skugg_regular ipods are cool enough, but rather big. plus, I don't need all that stuff they do.
12:47.07LeedsI've got an almost-full 40GB
12:47.16skugg_why?
12:47.18mikejwyeah I don't really need to transfer large files around
12:47.36Leedswhy what?
12:47.51skugg_just "why?" :)
12:48.06mikejwnever start a question with "why" =)
12:48.06Leedsbecasue
12:48.13skugg_yeah, I don't have 40GB of diskspace...
12:48.36mikejwneither do I on my main machine
12:48.40skugg_an external hd would be a lot cheaper than an ipod, I guess ;)
12:48.50Leedsyes
12:49.39mikejwbut not as stylish
12:49.43skugg_anyway... i'm a habitual animal. i don't listen to everything at once; so, an ipod shuffle is fine for me.
12:49.51mikejwyeah me too
12:49.56skugg_sync over stuff that I want to listen to that day, then go to work.
12:50.03skugg_next day, rinse, lather, repeat
12:50.08mikejwlol
12:50.13LeedsI have a standard playlist which is most of what I listen to, but even that is over 2.5GB
12:50.20skugg_heh
12:50.35skugg_I guess I need to do some testing...
12:50.42LeedsI also listen to other things, like audiobooks and (currently working through) a Hebrew course
12:50.44mikejwI definitely go through phases of listening to a band until I know their every cymbal crash
12:51.05mikejwhmmm
12:51.19Leedsskugg_: very approximately, about 1MB per minute for decent but not top-notch qualirt
12:51.21Leedsquality
12:51.22skugg_mikejw: ah. a bit more obsessed than be then
12:51.43mikejwskugg_: or just because I'm a musician =]
12:51.49skugg_Leeds: so about 60 MB per cd then?
12:52.02skugg_mikejw: ah. that would do it :)
12:52.24mikejw:D
12:52.25Leedsskugg_: albums tend to vary from about 40 minutes to about 70 in my experience
12:53.01skugg_Leeds: so about 60 on average, as I said (erroring on the high side for safety)
12:53.26Leedsyeah, I suppose so :-)
13:02.19mikejw=]
13:29.41mozrathow quaint
13:34.11skugg_Leeds: your tivo, is that purchased in the us?
13:34.17skugg_does it actually work over here?
13:35.05Leedsskugg_: no, it's the UK model - made for a short period of time, and very hard to get now
13:35.17Leedsand frankly, it's getting to the point where it's really showing its age
13:36.04skugg_i see
13:37.00skugg_there are occasionally programs on that I know I want to watch, but I never remember when they are on...
13:37.41Leedsyou're probably better off getting a freeview pvr now
13:40.25skugg_my colleague has that
13:40.38skugg_not sure if I want freeview though...
13:41.53skugg_have a link to that box by the way?
13:41.58Leedswhich box?
13:42.07skugg_freeview pvr?
13:42.17LeedsI was talking more as a generic thing than a particular box - there are at least a couple AFAIK
13:42.25skugg_oh, i see.
13:43.21LeedsI don't think there's any point *not* getting freeview now
13:43.32mikejw:)
13:46.07skugg_hm..
13:46.24skugg_I might have to buy a new tv soon, so might get tv with freeview built in
13:46.56skugg_dunno if such a thing would come with pvr though
13:47.17Leedscopying stuff to video is so slow - realtime!
13:48.53wethrinskugg!
13:53.19skugg_hi wethrin :)
13:55.16wethrinCome to the Museum Tavern tonight for beer, around 6ish
13:55.31skugg_what's happening there?
13:55.58wethrinBeer is happening
13:56.20skugg_ah
13:57.00wethrinAnd this week?
13:57.11skugg_this week I'm employed :)
13:57.29wethrinSo you can come for beer :)
13:57.44skugg_i was employed the week before last too, but there has been christmas etc since I got paid last...
13:57.44wethrinFoodtime!
13:57.53wethrinAh
14:00.13skugg_anybody know any personal bloging tools that are easily installable and available in debian?
14:04.43mikejwphp? ;]
14:05.17skugg_one written in php _may_ be okay, as long as I don't have to touch the code.
14:05.24mikejwoh ok
14:05.27skugg_me editing php code is _not_ an option
14:05.34mikejwright
14:05.40skugg_:)
14:06.16mikejwlol
14:11.27mozratskugg blosxom
14:11.47mozratalthough there is a little bit of fiddling
14:11.57Leedsor pyblosxom for extra coolness
14:12.24mozratwordpress isn't hard to get working
14:12.33mozratand quite nice
14:13.50skugg_mozrat: thanks. I'll have a look at them
14:22.33Leedsright, walkies time
14:37.17AndrewBlack_query wethrin
14:38.04morsingWETHRIN!
14:38.37skugg_mozrat: thanks, wordpress looks like the business.
14:38.45skugg_i'm probably going to use that
14:42.33AndrewBlack_wethrin, sorry couldnt make Lonix on Wed - wasnt well.
15:08.34wethrinArrr. That's okay
15:08.44wethrinmorsing: You're pubbing?
15:08.45morsingStill going out tonight?
15:08.50wethrinYes
15:08.56morsingNo - on call and no money
15:09.01wethrinBah
15:09.10morsingUnless it's in Aylesbury
15:09.12morsing:-)
15:09.19morsingOr Watford
15:09.23wethrinNah
15:09.26wethrinIt's in a real place
15:10.56AndrewBlack_can I join you in museum - if that is still on ?
15:13.19wethrinYes, of course
15:13.24wethrinCome around 6pm
15:15.12wethrinOr about 15 minutes before
15:15.23wethrin(my train should arrive in Marylebone around 5.20)
15:15.32AndrewBlack_ok - see you there
15:15.35AndrewBlack_bye
15:21.35mozratskugg_: No problem.. if you get stuck with WordPress #joiito and #suwcharman are both good channels to ask questions in
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15:47.24Marios_Hello !
15:48.14wethrinhi
16:30.13cuphm apcid is reporting my cpu temp as 22 that is far to low right?
16:30.59cupwhen I add load it stays the same, what could be the problem?
16:33.08morsingOA people are weird!
16:50.01mozratwould YOU date this man??? >> http://accordionguy.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2005/1/14/243433.html
17:37.50Leedsyes, I would
17:52.39mozratgood for you Leeds
17:52.43mozratcatch you all later
17:53.32Leedsseeya
17:53.55Marios_bye mozrat
17:54.04mozratt'ra
17:57.55pawelhi guys.
17:58.01Leedsmorning
17:58.02pawelMarios_: so. we didn't meet.
17:58.13pawelLeeds: morning? where are you now?
17:58.23Marios_I am sorry pawel
17:58.29Leedspawel: as it happens, in bed
17:58.33Marios_I had a student here and he came late
17:58.50Marios_so we finished around 10:15....it was too late for me to come down in London
17:59.01pawelMarios_: 29th, I should be there.
17:59.34Marios_oh yeah...I will do my best to go
17:59.39pawelmake sure sure that you will get rid of the student. ;)
17:59.48Marios_and it is Saturday so it won't be a problem
17:59.49pawels/"sure sure"/sure/
17:59.49Marios_:D
18:02.36pawelanyway I have to sort out the shopping. see you later guys.
18:03.00Marios_c ya
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21:09.47JAVhello all
21:32.58Leedsfoo!
21:35.54morsingbar
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21:42.45floogood evening gentleman
21:45.50Leedshey floo
21:47.06floohow's it going/
21:47.24Leedsbeen better, been worse
21:47.32floooh!
21:47.46flooanything to do with your levels
21:48.00Leedsnah, nothing to do with that
21:48.35floojust not feeling to got in general
21:49.35Leedsit's work stuff and things like that
21:49.50LeedsI'm not bad :-0
21:49.52Leeds:-)
21:56.07Leedshe comes, he goes...
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22:00.23Leedshe returns!
22:00.37flooIt's worked!
22:00.43floosorry about the disconnection
22:00.52Leedsdid you doubt me for a second? :-)
22:00.53flooctcp?
22:00.58floono
22:01.07Leedsbah, no CTCP response :-)
22:01.14floowhat's that/
22:01.19Leedsah, there it is
22:01.27Leedsclient-to-client protocol
22:01.28floowhat ru doing?
22:01.36floowhat does that mean/
22:02.10LeedsI'm reading your brainwaves over IRC
22:02.32floobe careful, I'm prone to unsavioury thoughts
22:03.04LeedsI know!
22:03.29floowhat's the advantage of sending me a cpthing?
22:03.32Leedsso how are you, anyway?
22:03.45flooconfused
22:04.13flooI've got a cd... box in front of me but I don't understand it
22:04.16Leedsctcp is just a way to send a message to your software, rather than you - in this case, I've been asking it what version it is
22:04.31flooand what did it say
22:04.44LeedsVERSION xchat 2.0.8 Linux 2.6.8.1-4-686 [i686/998.35MHz]
22:05.13floohhold on!  that's supposed to be a 1ghz processor
22:05.29floodoes 997... mean it's on it's way out?
22:05.45Leedsnope, you've been cheated out of 1.65 of your MHz
22:05.56floob'stards!!
22:06.14Leedsit just means that's how quick it was when the kernel tested it at boottime
22:06.21floohow do I send you one of these cp things?
22:06.38flooand why would I want to/
22:06.46Leedseither by right-clicking me in the list of channel members, or manually by doing "/ctcp Leeds foo"
22:07.19flooooh
22:07.21flooI like it
22:07.26Leedshah - my CPU (on my main PC, not this Mac) has been detected as a 2009.751MHz machine!
22:07.26flooDarwin eh!
22:07.41floohow come you're not using Slackware you traitor!
22:07.47Leedson a mac?
22:08.21flooyou know what I mean!
22:08.37floo:)
22:08.51LeedsI use slackware on my PCs, of course - I use solaris on my (well, work's) sparc machine, and I use OS X on my Mac
22:09.07flooI didn't get your user info
22:09.13floohave you blocked it/
22:09.15Leedsnope, you didn't
22:09.22Leedsnah, it just doesn't seem to work
22:09.30floopmsl
22:09.34Leedsctcp, like most of IRC, is a very loosely-defined protocol
22:09.36Leedspmsl?
22:09.44Leedsplimsole?
22:10.02Leedspity my small llama?
22:10.03flooPissing MySelf Laughing
22:10.12floolmao
22:10.13Leedsah
22:10.23Leedsnot heard that one before :-)
22:10.29floolaughing My ass Off
22:10.50Leedsyeah, yeah - I know that one - I don't know the llama one
22:11.07Leedsso, how is your small llama?
22:11.14flooconsider yourself enlightened old thing
22:11.23Leedsoy - don't call me old!
22:11.26floodon't be personal
22:11.43flooI can't help it if I was at the back of the queue
22:11.59Leedswe all have our llamas to bear
22:12.13floosounds like an anomaly
22:12.34floothat explains much
22:12.44Leedsyes, I suppose it does...
22:12.50floohee hee
22:13.18Leedsdo you know the yak?
22:13.54floosssshhhhh.... we don't mention him in company
22:14.02Leedswhy not?
22:14.41Leedsseriously, do you know him?
22:15.08floono
22:15.12floowho is he
22:15.31Leedshang on a mo
22:16.16Leedshad to get to power...
22:17.09Leedshis name is Jeff Minter, he started calling himself yak back in the days of arcade games which would only take three-letter names (initials), and he's probably the most innovative video game producer this country has ever um, produced
22:18.05flooright
22:18.14flooso why should i know him
22:18.21Leedshe has a thing about llamas
22:18.49Leedsand camels - pretty much all of that family of beast
22:18.57Leedseveryone should know him - he's cool
22:19.03Leedsknow *of* him, that is
22:19.09Leedsnot know him personally
22:19.19flooi see
22:19.31GeorgeI rock. I just accidently hit rm -rf /usr
22:19.46LeedsGeorge: yet you're still here :-(
22:20.06flooOh no!
22:20.07GeorgeLeeds: this is the server. I have no intention of destroying my server
22:20.10floosilly boy
22:20.16GeorgeLeeds: it was my gentoo athlon64 workstation I just hosed
22:20.24GeorgeLeeds: currently telling it to re-emerge *all* packages :)
22:20.31Leedsah, well, no loss then
22:20.47flooah Gentoo
22:21.00flooneeds patience and a lot of time
22:21.04flooI have neither
22:21.08Georgehey, any of your fancy distributions would have been hosed on a rm -rf /usr too :P
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22:21.34Leedsfloo: http://www.yakyak.org/viewtopic.php?t=20205
22:21.36Leedsevening Marios_
22:21.43Marios_hello Leeds
22:23.04Marios_I just went for Indian
22:23.35LeedsI've done that twice in the past week :-)
22:24.54Marios_my street is 6 minutes away from a high street where lots of fast food/restaurants are located
22:25.07Marios_so every few days I visit a new place ;)
22:26.02LeedsI did discover that there are about 20 eating places in Mill Hill (one of my local high streets)
22:26.27Marios_hehehhe
22:26.32Leedsthat's sit-down-and-get-prepared-food places, as well as a few food shops
22:26.35Marios_no need for a car then
22:27.03flooah!  thanks Leeds, lots of yaks
22:27.04LeedsI walked there at lunchtime today - it's about 25 minutes away, which is a bit far, really
22:27.41Marios_25 minutes is far yes
22:27.49floobut helping you towards those 10,000 steps
22:27.59Leedswell, 25 minutes I don't mind - 50 minutes there and back I mind
22:28.07Leedsfloo: I did about 9000 paces at lunchtime today :-)
22:28.08Marios_hehehehe
22:28.16floogod heavens
22:28.24flooI didi 15 miles...
22:28.24Leedswalked there, walked up and down the street a couple of times, walked back
22:28.30floowithout leaving my chair
22:28.31Leedstook quite a while
22:28.35Leeds?
22:28.50flooastral projection
22:28.57Leedsah!
22:29.13Leedsgood for travelling, not so great for the weight loss, except in an out-of-body sense
22:29.16Marios_anywayz...time to sleep ...it was a tough day
22:29.18flooThe trouble is I think I've been possessed
22:29.30floogoodnight marios
22:29.45LeedsMarios_: g'night and good luck
22:29.47flooHope you dn't pay the price for your indian tomorrow
22:29.50Marios_thanx
22:29.51Marios_bye
22:35.07Leedsyeah, I think it is getting towards dinner time...
22:38.50Leedsibot change 55 cad to gbp
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23:48.16Leedswell, that's another book refinished... I'm on a Discworld re-reading run

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