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| 00:02.43 | floo | anyone round/ |
| 00:03.54 | Leeds | nope |
| 00:04.09 | Leeds | well, maybe... |
| 00:04.40 | floo | oh, I'll |
| 00:05.51 | floo | did u sort ur satastuff out |
| 00:06.09 | Leeds | still working on it... |
| 00:06.25 | Leeds | got the drive in, and my data migration finished about 10 minutes ago - it took 10.75 hours |
| 00:06.32 | Leeds | I'm fscking it now |
| 00:06.53 | floo | what is sata anyway |
| 00:07.10 | Leeds | it's interesting that I now have a single pseudo-device, made up of a number of different hard drives of different speed, different sizes and different busses |
| 00:07.27 | Leeds | serial ata - the successor to parallel ata (also known as ata or ide) |
| 00:07.46 | floo | and these are better? |
| 00:07.49 | Leeds | yes |
| 00:08.11 | Leeds | the bus is quicker, there are some nice features possible - not in my case, but in general - and the cabling is simpler :-) |
| 00:08.12 | floo | so when I build my next pc I need a motherboard with sata support |
| 00:08.23 | Leeds | I would recommend it, if you're building a new machine |
| 00:08.29 | floo | roght |
| 00:08.34 | floo | i |
| 00:08.48 | floo | and sata hard drives presumably |
| 00:09.01 | Leeds | a couple of years ago, I upgraded my main box, got a nice new Athlon board and stuff - I wanted to get the version of the board with sata and firewire on board, but they didn't have that in the shop on that day so I took the lower model... |
| 00:09.24 | Leeds | in the meantime, I've now upgraded again, so that board and CPU are in my 'server' - and I now really wish I'd held out for the better board :-) |
| 00:09.46 | floo | hmmm patience can smetines be a virtue |
| 00:10.15 | Leeds | you're not going to find any sata-only boards yet, but sata drives cost about the same - even a little less, in some places - as pata drives, so I'd assume that's all I'll be buying from now on |
| 00:10.40 | floo | ok |
| 00:11.00 | Leeds | this 250GB drive cost me just under £100, at a computer fair, including a 3% credit card surcharge |
| 00:11.12 | Leeds | that's a hell of a lot of storage for your money |
| 00:11.25 | floo | my god!!! |
| 00:11.35 | floo | Do you really need that much? |
| 00:11.47 | Leeds | oh, and if nothing else, while sata versions do exist, things like dvd/cd writers are going to stay pata for a while |
| 00:11.53 | floo | must take forever to format |
| 00:12.07 | Leeds | can never have too much porn/warez/music/movie storage :-) |
| 00:12.18 | floo | ah |
| 00:12.57 | floo | if you can get me 'Genesis of The Daleks' and burn it onto DVD for me I'll be eternally grateful |
| 00:13.15 | Leeds | I should clarify - this drive has now gone in an (software) array, replacing a 160GB pata drive... which I will be attempting to get replaced by maxtor under warranty... *without* the 160GB drive in there, the array is 423GB |
| 00:13.38 | Leeds | if you know where to get it - get it yourself! :-) |
| 00:13.51 | floo | I don't have peer to peer |
| 00:14.31 | Leeds | so get it... |
| 00:15.15 | Leeds | the filesystem is a little screwed :-( |
| 00:15.33 | floo | sorry i assumed you had it when you said aboutall these things you downloaded |
| 00:16.06 | Leeds | sure, I do - doesn't mean I can find obscure shows easily |
| 00:16.41 | floo | ok |
| 00:17.07 | Leeds | (for reference, -y means there are so many errors that it's easier to just tell it to fix them all rather than asking for each one) |
| 00:17.19 | floo | right |
| 00:24.00 | Leeds | once the fsck is done, I'll grow the filesystem to use the whole space and remount it, and everything will be good again |
| 00:31.54 | Leeds | argh, it restarted |
| 00:32.12 | floo | ha ha |
| 00:35.12 | Leeds | too many errors, I guess |
| 00:47.54 | Leeds | now resizing... |
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| 01:03.03 | Leeds | heh, I just bzip2-ed a 400+MB logfile down to 8MB :-) |
| 01:11.04 | Leeds | yay, done |
| 01:11.09 | Leeds | only took about 12 hours |
| 01:19.55 | Leeds | and now... to bed |
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| 03:14.44 | rdancer | i get this uneasy feeling that this project is just too big for php, and therefore will never be finished without having been rewritten |
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| 03:39.23 | Tony[] | is anyone here awake? |
| 03:42.55 | evangineer | not really |
| 03:43.05 | evangineer | it's the middle of the night in london |
| 03:43.20 | evangineer | only the insomniacs are awake! |
| 03:44.55 | Tony[] | I really need some help if you are able |
| 03:45.08 | Tony[] | this is the most logical channel I could think of |
| 03:45.37 | Tony[] | one of my servers has just hung, and I need to get a reboot .... which is normally not a problem .... |
| 03:45.39 | Tony[] | but ... |
| 03:45.55 | Tony[] | my service provider only has an 0845 number |
| 03:46.04 | Tony[] | and I'm in Argentina for a week |
| 03:46.24 | Tony[] | you can't call special rate numbers internationally |
| 03:46.54 | Tony[] | I'm desperatly trying to find someone to call the number and get a proper landline from them so I can go to bed |
| 03:47.06 | Tony[] | it's an 0845 so it's a local call |
| 03:47.38 | Tony[] | they just moved to WC1 and changed their numbers |
| 03:47.53 | Tony[] | when they were in EC1 they had a normal phone number in addition to the 0845 |
| 03:48.31 | Tony[] | I don't return for another 6 days |
| 03:48.46 | Tony[] | and it'll be at least 5 hours before I can reach anyone I know |
| 03:49.13 | Tony[] | so if you're feeling generous I'd love a helping hand |
| 03:49.21 | Tony[] | and if not, I'll understand too |
| 03:50.20 | Tony[] | I'm meant to be teaching a classroom full of geeks in the morning |
| 03:58.33 | evangineer | ah |
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| 08:35.10 | mozrat | Hello Peeps |
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| 09:30.55 | wethrin | Morrrrrning |
| 09:31.08 | Marios_ | morning |
| 09:31.52 | mozrat | hallo |
| 09:41.47 | rdancer | hi |
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| 09:43.05 | rdancer | i think i finally am starting to look for a job. i hate looking for a job |
| 09:43.12 | wethrin | Jobhunting sucks |
| 09:43.48 | Marios_ | oh yes it does |
| 09:43.58 | rdancer | i wish i could offsource the jobhunting to an agency or something |
| 09:44.12 | rdancer | really you do think so? |
| 09:44.30 | rdancer | i thought it was just me... 8-/ |
| 09:44.35 | Marios_ | no no no |
| 09:44.38 | wethrin | No, it really does suck |
| 09:44.41 | wethrin | Everyone I know says it |
| 09:44.44 | rdancer | eh |
| 09:45.08 | Marios_ | unless you so expert that a job offer is phone call away |
| 09:45.21 | Marios_ | s/you/you are |
| 09:45.54 | rdancer | i'm working on that ;-) |
| 09:46.01 | Marios_ | :) |
| 09:46.28 | rdancer | is it not possible to offload it to an agency? |
| 09:46.55 | Marios_ | no idea |
| 09:47.42 | wethrin | Yes, but agencies suck |
| 09:47.49 | wethrin | And they'll get you a Windows sysadmin job |
| 09:47.56 | wethrin | If you're lucky |
| 09:48.25 | Marios_ | hahaaha |
| 09:48.30 | Leeds | hmm... so my server/gateway/etc. machine may not be entirely stable... but I think it was tweaking the wires what killed it... :-) |
| 09:48.35 | wethrin | Oops |
| 09:49.06 | rdancer | bleeeeh |
| 09:50.09 | Leeds | it ran for about 8 hours - that's pretty decent :-) |
| 09:50.11 | rdancer | i really would rather do some good and hard unskilled labour than that |
| 09:50.35 | rdancer | hi, Leeds |
| 09:50.41 | Leeds | rdancer: morning |
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| 09:55.42 | Marios_ | any ideas where to get cheap Eurostar tickets ? |
| 09:55.53 | wethrin | No. They don't exist. |
| 09:56.03 | wethrin | They're make-believe, like elves, fairies and eskimos |
| 09:56.21 | Marios_ | hmm |
| 09:56.23 | Leeds | Marios_: are you over 26-ish? |
| 09:56.33 | Marios_ | yes |
| 09:56.37 | Marios_ | just turned 26 |
| 09:57.04 | rdancer | wethrin: elves *do* exist! |
| 09:57.21 | Leeds | I think that's the cut-off for young person tickets - apart from that, unless you can find a special offer (likely to be limited in time, destination and so on) you're unlikely to get a ticket anywhere for less than ?60 |
| 09:57.47 | Marios_ | hmm |
| 09:58.01 | wethrin | Leeds: I think Eurostar is 26 and under |
| 09:58.09 | Leeds | wethrin: bah, young people suck |
| 09:58.13 | wethrin | Is Marios_ coming to FOSDEM? |
| 09:58.16 | wethrin | Leeds: No, undergrads suck |
| 09:58.17 | Leeds | and even the ?60 tickets go quickly |
| 09:58.27 | Marios_ | Wethrin: yes I have it in my plans |
| 09:58.29 | Leeds | wethrin: ivory tower freaks suck |
| 09:58.41 | Marios_ | but now I am just going to Paris |
| 09:59.31 | wethrin | Leeds: Bah. The real world sucks |
| 09:59.51 | rdancer | shouldn't the date in /topic be in ISO-8601? |
| 10:00.42 | wethrin | No. VMS-style dates rock |
| 10:00.50 | wethrin | Although then it shoudl be 29-JAN-205 |
| 10:00.51 | wethrin | *2005 |
| 10:01.21 | rdancer | i like dates with my first name in them, though 8-) |
| 10:01.21 | Leeds | it's the year 105, dammit |
| 10:01.42 | wethrin | :) |
| 10:01.52 | wethrin | Only if you count 1900 as year 0 |
| 10:02.41 | rdancer | 19 Shevat 5765 |
| 10:04.07 | Marios_ | 5765 ??? |
| 10:04.39 | rdancer | no warranty |
| 10:19.08 | Leeds | rdancer: ! |
| 10:19.21 | Leeds | Marios_: Jewish/Hebrew year... |
| 10:19.39 | Marios_ | ohhhh |
| 10:19.42 | rdancer | 8-) |
| 10:19.58 | Marios_ | you are many years ahead |
| 10:20.16 | Leeds | that's meant to be years since creation... |
| 10:20.18 | rdancer | i can convert gregorian to jewish in no time with google ;-) |
| 10:20.46 | Leeds | gcal does a good job of that sort of thing too |
| 10:20.59 | Marios_ | interesting |
| 10:21.16 | rdancer | it's not meant literally, though |
| 10:21.23 | Leeds | rdancer: ? |
| 10:21.57 | Leeds | what's not meant literally? |
| 10:21.59 | rdancer | in fact, the concept of scientific precision wasn't invented when this calendar was introduced |
| 10:22.06 | rdancer | the creation date |
| 10:22.36 | Marios_ | of course now we know that the creation date was long before that date |
| 10:22.42 | Leeds | no it wasn't |
| 10:22.43 | rdancer | eh |
| 10:22.49 | Marios_ | no? |
| 10:23.01 | Leeds | rosh hashanah, 5765.5 years ago, or so, was the date of creation |
| 10:23.33 | Leeds | "today is the birthday of the world" |
| 10:23.34 | Marios_ | haven't they find human remains older than date ? |
| 10:23.39 | rdancer | Leeds: in a mythical sense, yes, in scientific sense, no |
| 10:23.46 | Leeds | Marios_: fakes... |
| 10:24.25 | Marios_ | Leeds: all animals, human remains in the museums are fake? |
| 10:24.29 | Leeds | yes |
| 10:24.38 | Leeds | (I'm not saying I believe this) |
| 10:24.47 | Marios_ | ohhhhh ok |
| 10:24.59 | Marios_ | according to the religions yes they are fake |
| 10:25.07 | Leeds | and, actually, i don't know the answer to the ancient remains question |
| 10:25.16 | Marios_ | but scientifically they are human remains |
| 10:25.22 | rdancer | Marios_: remember, these ``scientists'' are the same people who once thought there was ether, and that every being strives for its species good |
| 10:25.41 | Leeds | rdancer: you're not spouting the evolution myth are you? |
| 10:25.56 | rdancer | Leeds: i honestly don't care |
| 10:25.56 | Leeds | ibot change 1 gbp to usd |
| 10:26.09 | rdancer | oh |
| 10:26.10 | Leeds | rdancer: me neither, of course |
| 10:26.38 | rdancer | Leeds: the myth is much more important for me |
| 10:26.48 | Leeds | rdancer: *which* myth? |
| 10:26.53 | rdancer | in fact, truth is. and there is no truth in science, by definition |
| 10:26.57 | Marios_ | is it a Jewish myth ? |
| 10:27.05 | rdancer | Marios_: sure |
| 10:27.08 | Marios_ | ohhh ok |
| 10:27.10 | Leeds | Marios_: *WHICH* myth :-) |
| 10:27.15 | rdancer | Marios_: it's called torah |
| 10:27.25 | Marios_ | the evolution myth |
| 10:27.34 | rdancer | then sure no |
| 10:27.57 | Leeds | evolution? nah, the world was created in 6 days, with man created complete late on the 6th day - on the 7th day He rested |
| 10:28.10 | Marios_ | oh yeah we have the same thing |
| 10:28.20 | rdancer | Marios_: who is we? |
| 10:28.49 | Leeds | um, you do know that Christianity is a corruption of Judaism, in many ways, right? picking and choosing the bits of tradition/law/history/scripture which fit, and discarding the rest |
| 10:29.03 | Marios_ | but what do christians and jews say about the 6 days creation as opposed to evolution ? |
| 10:29.07 | Leeds | and, of course, mixing in a lot of pagan stuff, including worshipping a dead dude |
| 10:29.15 | rdancer | eh |
| 10:29.27 | Marios_ | yes I know that |
| 10:30.04 | Leeds | Marios_: have you heard some of the shit in schools in 'conservative' (i.e. fundamentalism) areas of the US? |
| 10:30.40 | Marios_ | i heard lot of things about the fundamentalism there....which especially are you talking about ? |
| 10:31.11 | Leeds | well, with them trying hard to teach evolution as a theory, with creation as at least an equal, if not better, theory |
| 10:31.44 | Marios_ | no idea about that |
| 10:32.04 | Marios_ | I didn't attend high school there |
| 10:33.21 | Marios_ | Leeds: it is monotheistic but those who explain the holy trinity are very advanced people |
| 10:33.49 | Marios_ | it is not very easy to understand the existence of the holy Trinity |
| 10:34.28 | Marios_ | even though I had many religious classes from elementary school to high school..still it is not very clear |
| 10:34.34 | Marios_ | but it is indeed monotheistic |
| 10:35.36 | rdancer | any attempt to understand the nature of God is in its very nature futile |
| 10:35.57 | Marios_ | yes |
| 10:36.44 | rdancer | trying to bring it up as an argument point against somebody is usually just a thinly disguised puppet trial |
| 10:37.11 | Marios_ | :) |
| 10:37.43 | rdancer | which doesn't mean i hate philosophy. i love it. but it is of no use. |
| 10:38.13 | rdancer | ``career goal'', ``career plan'', ... never thought there were such things 8-) |
| 10:38.41 | Marios_ | if you are registering with IT agencies there are lots of these questions |
| 10:39.09 | rdancer | i'm just trying to find out how to start |
| 10:40.56 | Marios_ | you want my oppinion ? |
| 10:41.12 | rdancer | yes |
| 10:41.37 | Marios_ | go online at Reed's website and keep applying to any position you seem to like |
| 10:42.00 | Marios_ | that way your CV will circulate around all agencies/employers/etc |
| 10:43.58 | rdancer | heh |
| 10:44.08 | rdancer | sounds like a backdoor 8-) |
| 10:44.36 | rdancer | their html sux 8-) |
| 10:44.41 | Marios_ | lol |
| 11:00.47 | rdancer | 11am and i still don't have a job |
| 11:00.51 | rdancer | that sux! |
| 11:00.58 | Marios_ | lol |
| 11:01.22 | Marios_ | do you usualy get job that quick ? |
| 11:02.03 | rdancer | usually, i call a sweatshop agency, and get a job in a matter of minutes |
| 11:02.07 | rdancer | but that's .cz |
| 11:02.28 | rdancer | and parttime |
| 11:02.29 | Marios_ | lol |
| 11:03.02 | Marios_ | what kind of job are you looking for now? |
| 11:04.03 | rdancer | linux admin, with sparkling of user support, and programming |
| 11:04.18 | Marios_ | hmm |
| 11:04.29 | Marios_ | I was looking for Linux job but no luck |
| 11:04.32 | rdancer | ideally, something with database design, sql |
| 11:04.44 | rdancer | really no windows |
| 11:04.52 | rdancer | and *really* NO FUCKING PHP |
| 11:05.02 | Marios_ | ehheheehhe |
| 11:05.14 | rdancer | FPHP |
| 11:05.19 | rdancer | is a 4-letter-word |
| 11:05.43 | Marios_ | why do you hate it that much? |
| 11:05.58 | rdancer | 03:14 < rdancer> i get this uneasy feeling that this project is just too big for php, and |
| 11:06.01 | rdancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.02 | rdancer | http://tnx.nl/php#scope <--- just a few shortcommings |
| 11:07.14 | rdancer | s/#scope// |
| 11:07.56 | Marios_ | brb |
| 11:08.00 | Marios_ | cooking time |
| 11:08.01 | rdancer | plus #php are absolute idiots |
| 11:08.17 | rdancer | i've yet to find a network where #php weren't idiots |
| 11:08.33 | rdancer | oh, well... |
| 11:12.50 | rdancer | echo AddType application/x-httpd-php .phpsucks >> /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
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| 11:29.48 | mozrat | 'lo Leeds |
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| 11:31.52 | Leeds | hey |
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| 12:24.41 | rdancer | yess, .phpsucks is now the default PHP extension here 8-) |
| 12:29.15 | wethrin | Better than Perl |
| 12:29.52 | rdancer | wethrin: you're comparing uncomparable |
| 12:30.06 | wethrin | Not really. A kick in the teeth is better than Perl |
| 12:30.10 | Leeds | and both pale in comparison with python |
| 12:30.27 | Leeds | (and possibly with Ruby, which contains the wisdom of the Orient) |
| 12:31.38 | SlayerXP | i tried python and had paralyzing flashbacks to COBOL |
| 12:32.41 | rdancer | so, what's the #gllug language of choice? |
| 12:32.56 | rdancer | Leeds currently codes in C, correct? |
| 12:33.13 | rdancer | lisp seems to be deemed divine-inspired |
| 12:33.13 | SlayerXP | perl |
| 12:33.33 | wethrin | I like functional languages. And C (in the right situation). Or Fortran |
| 12:33.36 | Leeds | rdancer: C and python - work and fun |
| 12:35.35 | wethrin | Lunchtime! |
| 12:35.45 | Marios_ | not yet |
| 12:35.52 | Marios_ | in half an hour probably |
| 12:35.56 | rdancer | shit another forced break |
| 12:36.38 | Leeds | rdancer: forced breaks? |
| 12:39.26 | Marios_ | does anybody know where Newbury, |
| 12:39.26 | Marios_ | >>Berkshire |
| 12:39.29 | Marios_ | is? |
| 12:39.45 | Leeds | it's probably in Berkshire... |
| 12:39.47 | Marios_ | lol |
| 12:39.52 | Marios_ | how far is from London ? |
| 12:40.01 | Leeds | you should learn to love streetmap.co.uk and mapquest.co.uk |
| 12:40.26 | Marios_ | I used them both...but I want like a journey planner |
| 12:40.32 | Marios_ | and it is not in London |
| 12:40.34 | Leeds | you should also have a good adblocker - at least before going to the first |
| 12:40.40 | Leeds | mapquest does driving directions |
| 12:40.49 | Marios_ | yes but no car |
| 12:40.50 | Marios_ | ;) |
| 12:41.11 | Leeds | oh, okay |
| 12:41.23 | Marios_ | I will try national rail planner |
| 12:41.36 | Leeds | there is a new national travel planner, but I can never remember the address |
| 12:41.45 | Marios_ | yeah I there now |
| 12:41.56 | Marios_ | ohhh the one from national rail ? |
| 12:41.57 | SlayerXP | tell me your required journey and I shall mail you a PDF |
| 12:42.14 | SlayerXP | (car trips only of course) |
| 12:42.33 | Leeds | nope |
| 12:42.36 | Marios_ | well I want to go by train |
| 12:42.56 | Leeds | SlayerXP: you didn't see the "no car" stipulation? |
| 12:43.05 | Leeds | Marios_: I'd try trainline.com or qjump.com then |
| 12:43.06 | SlayerXP | Leeds: obviously not |
| 12:43.10 | SlayerXP | duh :) |
| 12:43.55 | Leeds | :-) |
| 12:44.30 | Marios_ | http://www.trainline.com/ it is music site |
| 12:45.10 | Leeds | argh, this is annoying me |
| 12:45.15 | Leeds | maybe it's thetrainline.com |
| 12:45.26 | Marios_ | k |
| 12:45.34 | SlayerXP | http://shopping.guardian.co.uk/toys/story/0,1587,1392102,00.html |
| 12:45.35 | SlayerXP | superb |
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| 12:48.42 | Leeds | argh |
| 12:51.41 | Leeds | Marios_: www.transportdirect.info was the site I was thinking of |
| 12:51.53 | Marios_ | ok let me try |
| 12:52.01 | Marios_ | thetrainline.com is good too |
| 12:54.48 | Marios_ | good website !! |
| 12:55.03 | Leeds | but not working for me right now |
| 12:57.37 | Leeds | and, I could be wrong, but I don't think it's correct when it tells me that arriving in Newbury at about 1015 and leaving at about 2123 is 'not ideal because the arriving and leaving times overlap' |
| 12:58.31 | Marios_ | well I just asked for trains not time |
| 12:58.42 | Marios_ | so I need to go in Paddington station |
| 12:58.46 | Marios_ | and get train from there |
| 12:59.03 | mozrat | Marios_, when are you swinging by Paddington??????? |
| 12:59.23 | Marios_ | I think next week |
| 12:59.25 | Marios_ | why ? |
| 12:59.33 | mozrat | I work 100m from there |
| 12:59.39 | Marios_ | really? |
| 12:59.41 | mozrat | yes! |
| 12:59.56 | Marios_ | nice...I stayed in that area for a month |
| 13:00.01 | Marios_ | like 2 years ago |
| 13:00.14 | Marios_ | in a hotel right across from the station |
| 13:00.18 | mozrat | cool |
| 13:00.40 | Marios_ | so if I give you a call you can leave your job and go for beer? ;) |
| 13:00.52 | mozrat | yeah, very likely |
| 13:01.02 | Marios_ | nice job ;) |
| 13:01.31 | Marios_ | ok then...I will do soon :) |
| 13:01.38 | Marios_ | I have you cellphone number |
| 13:02.11 | mozrat | cool |
| 13:23.20 | JAV | good afternoon |
| 13:25.23 | Marios_ | hi Jav |
| 13:59.41 | *** join/#gllug Marios_ (~mkoumide@82-45-239-23.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 14:03.22 | mozrat | yummy |
| 14:05.02 | Marios_ | curry after running?? lol |
| 14:05.41 | wethrin | It'll make you run even more! |
| 14:05.54 | Marios_ | hehehe |
| 14:09.09 | George | flibble |
| 14:10.10 | wethrin | no, definitely not |
| 14:19.01 | mozrat | ibot george |
| 14:19.02 | ibot | hmm... george is gwright@kde.org, a kde lover/developer and a freak/geek |
| 14:19.10 | wethrin | "developer" |
| 14:19.22 | mozrat | ibot george is also normally incoherent |
| 14:19.23 | ibot | cannot alter locked factoids, mozrat |
| 14:19.31 | George | hey, I have @kde.org, of course I'm a devel :P |
| 14:19.44 | mozrat | *quack* |
| 14:19.44 | George | how odd |
| 14:19.48 | wethrin | ibot unlock george |
| 14:19.48 | wethrin | :) |
| 14:19.49 | George | when I type anything on this konsole tab |
| 14:19.53 | George | it's appearing in another one too |
| 14:20.05 | mozrat | George, Gnome or KDE? |
| 14:20.12 | wethrin | Apparently I'm not allowed to unlock George |
| 14:20.31 | George | mozrat: kde |
| 14:20.34 | George | wethrin: :P |
| 14:20.37 | mozrat | George, try Gnome |
| 14:20.38 | George | wethrin: only I can |
| 14:20.40 | George | mozrat: no. |
| 14:20.47 | wethrin | Unlock yourself! |
| 14:20.48 | George | mozrat: btw, my new LCDs are on order :D |
| 14:20.53 | mozrat | sweeet |
| 14:21.08 | George | mozrat: and my new graphics card |
| 14:21.40 | wethrin | You're clearly too rich |
| 14:21.47 | George | wethrin: no, I'm not |
| 14:21.50 | George | wethrin: I'm poor. |
| 14:21.54 | George | well, I am now anyway. |
| 14:22.00 | wethrin | Bah |
| 14:22.13 | George | I've got no money left |
| 14:22.21 | George | I just spent 1050 GBP on screens and graphics careds |
| 14:22.22 | George | heh |
| 14:22.36 | wethrin | That was silly |
| 14:22.39 | George | not really |
| 14:22.43 | George | it's an investment |
| 14:22.48 | wethrin | Pff |
| 14:22.51 | wethrin | No, it's not |
| 14:22.54 | George | yes, it is. |
| 14:23.02 | wethrin | It all depreciates in value |
| 14:23.05 | wethrin | Hence it's not an investment |
| 14:23.07 | mozrat | George, by no definition is that an 'investment' |
| 14:23.22 | George | bah |
| 14:23.26 | mozrat | stuffing it in your pillow would have been a wiser investment |
| 14:23.27 | wethrin | An investment is something that'll increase in value |
| 14:23.43 | George | mozrat: no, it wouldn't |
| 14:23.54 | George | mozrat: two 20" lcds aren't going to go out of date any time soon :) |
| 14:24.03 | mozrat | George, I cannot believe you spent £1k on tech kit when there are people starving in the world.. shame on you, sir |
| 14:24.09 | George | mozrat: ... |
| 14:24.12 | wethrin | Not out of date. But then people are still running 15-year-old monitors which aren't out of date |
| 14:24.16 | mozrat | :) |
| 14:24.24 | mozrat | speaking of starving... |
| 14:24.27 | wethrin | mozrat: Do you think he should have given to the Tsunami appeal? |
| 14:24.30 | George | wethrin: as far as I'm concerned, CRTs deserve to die |
| 14:24.35 | mozrat | wethrin, to be honest not all of it |
| 14:24.44 | mozrat | I'm sure George has contributed his fair share |
| 14:24.47 | wethrin | George: They shouldn't |
| 14:24.51 | George | yes, they should |
| 14:24.53 | George | mozrat: not yet |
| 14:24.56 | wethrin | They can be much more useful than LCDs |
| 14:25.10 | wethrin | LCDs only work properly at one resolution |
| 14:25.16 | George | wethrin: 1600x1200 is all I ever use |
| 14:25.18 | wethrin | CRTs can be clear at lots of resolutions |
| 14:25.32 | mozrat | George, then you should... at least a couple of hours of what you would have earnt if you weren't a freeloading student |
| 14:25.34 | wethrin | Additionally, CRTs are better at syncing to different signals |
| 14:26.13 | George | freeloading student? |
| 14:26.33 | George | mozrat: let's not get onto my opinions of the tsunami :) |
| 14:26.40 | mozrat | lets! |
| 14:26.52 | mozrat | what are your opinions on the tsunami?? |
| 14:27.01 | George | no. |
| 14:27.15 | mozrat | why? |
| 14:28.02 | George | mozrat: well, let's just say I'd rather donate the money elsewhere *cough* cancer research *cough* |
| 14:28.17 | George | when I get around to donating, that is. |
| 14:28.28 | mozrat | if you are coughing that much in one sentence maybe you should be donating somewhere.... |
| 14:28.30 | George | unfortunately, it requires me to find a cash machine. |
| 14:28.48 | George | which in turn requires me to move. |
| 14:29.08 | wethrin | Don't be such a lazy fat git |
| 14:29.08 | mozrat | Cancer Research is in the public conscience all of the time anyway.. the tsunami won't be but the after effects will be present in that region for decades to come |
| 14:29.25 | George | mozrat: yes, but the govt does nothing to help research |
| 14:29.37 | George | research scientists are getting paid sod all |
| 14:29.57 | George | and cancer is much larger problem imho than a tsunami |
| 14:29.58 | mozrat | I don't think there is anything wrong with donating a bit extra to them at this stage as people are going to start neglecting that cause soon enough anyway |
| 14:30.14 | mozrat | George, well that is a problem. How will not donating to the tsunami help? |
| 14:30.21 | George | //window goto 11 |
| 14:30.23 | George | woops. |
| 14:30.30 | wethrin | Yes, so people become research scientists because they're interested in what they're doing, not because they want to earn huge money |
| 14:30.34 | mozrat | We are all rich enough in this country to do a little bit to both |
| 14:30.40 | George | mozrat: yes, but research requires facilities |
| 14:30.51 | wethrin | Facilities exist |
| 14:31.16 | wethrin | Pharmaceutical companies have enough money to invest lots in facilities |
| 14:31.46 | George | er. wethrin |
| 14:32.14 | wethrin | Decent Unis tend to have fairly good facilities too |
| 14:32.28 | mozrat | George, the population of the UK is currently around 59 million.. lets round it down to 50 million. The UK raised £50 million in donations aside from the governments contribution |
| 14:32.38 | George | well, if I donate anything, as I say, it will all be to more worthwhile causes imho |
| 14:32.40 | mozrat | averaging what??? about one pound per person |
| 14:32.52 | mozrat | George, donate to both then |
| 14:33.04 | George | no, if I donate more the extra will also go to more worthwhile causes. |
| 14:33.27 | mozrat | as I say.. you are fortunate enough to (I hope) not have cancer ever in your lifetime and not live near enough to the Indian ocean to have you life washed away by a freakishly large wave |
| 14:33.38 | mozrat | George, you are sadly wrong |
| 14:33.46 | mozrat | however my stomach tells me it wants some food |
| 14:34.02 | George | my VPN is being incredibly unstable at the moment. |
| 14:34.06 | wethrin | "Thank you for donating. Let's hope you'll never need what your money is going towards" |
| 14:34.39 | George | well, I'm heavily into the research funding thing. |
| 14:34.50 | George | so as far as I'm concerned, that's what gets my "vote", as it were |
| 14:34.52 | wethrin | You're funding lots of research yourself? |
| 14:34.55 | George | no |
| 14:34.57 | SlayerXP | british tax payers will be indirectly giving billions of pounds to the region anyway |
| 14:35.10 | George | you know what I mean, |
| 14:35.24 | George | I can't afford to fund lots of research :) |
| 14:35.56 | George | anyway, end of argument. I tend to stay clear of controversial debates |
| 14:36.00 | wethrin | Yes. This is why Unis like filling up their courses, even with shit people - they get more money from the government that way; the money basically goes towards research |
| 14:39.31 | mozrat | SlayerXP, ref British tax payers blah: That is still a very low amount per tax payer in this country |
| 14:40.08 | George | anyway |
| 14:40.15 | George | it seems my LCDs are arriving next week |
| 14:40.44 | mozrat | heh |
| 14:40.47 | wethrin | Me, cause trouble? |
| 14:40.58 | wethrin | I'm sure people here know me better than that |
| 14:41.06 | wethrin | I accuse you, George, of being the trouble maker |
| 14:41.10 | wethrin | :) |
| 14:41.12 | SlayerXP | gosh, that's a threat |
| 14:41.28 | wethrin | Sure, go ahead. It's not like you ever contribute much useful |
| 14:41.52 | SlayerXP | wethrin: he hasn't even got round to writing kyoyosimulator yet |
| 14:42.52 | wethrin | How incredible lazy :) |
| 14:46.49 | SlayerXP | i've yet to witness george being useful |
| 14:47.32 | mozrat | Poor George |
| 14:47.41 | George | heh |
| 14:47.48 | George | I was useful? |
| 14:48.03 | Leeds | George: so you regularly donate to cancer research? |
| 14:48.11 | George | no |
| 14:48.23 | George | I'm just saying that if I were to donate, I'd donate to cancer research |
| 14:48.33 | George | 14:37 < George> anyway, end of argument. I tend to stay clear of controversial debates |
| 14:48.47 | George | nobody ever wins in said arguments, therefore arguing is futile |
| 14:49.53 | Leeds | it's a discussion, not an argument - the idea is not to win |
| 14:50.09 | wethrin | "code" :) |
| 14:50.25 | SlayerXP | coding is what you do in assembler |
| 14:50.28 | George | no, it's an argument. |
| 14:50.37 | SlayerXP | George: oh no it isn't |
| 14:50.39 | Leeds | is it the full half-hour? |
| 14:50.42 | mozrat | No-one was arguing |
| 14:51.15 | George | grumble, where the hell has the "delete" option gone in KDE |
| 14:51.16 | wethrin | I think it is |
| 14:51.19 | George | it's move to trash or nothing now |
| 14:51.26 | wethrin | Mmm. Assembler |
| 14:52.00 | wethrin | Right. Time to go into the cleanroom again |
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| 15:25.43 | Leeds | rdancer: so, for fun, I'm pricing up flights to Prague |
| 15:25.53 | Leeds | I windowshop for holidays a lot online :-) |
| 15:26.23 | Leeds | rdancer: ping |
| 15:30.28 | rdancer | Leeds: pong |
| 15:31.39 | Leeds | rdancer: so how much would you expect to pay for a return flight London<->Prague? |
| 15:32.08 | rdancer | Leeds: 40--80 |
| 15:32.27 | rdancer | Leeds: just off of the top of my head |
| 15:32.35 | Leeds | good, so my low price of 46 was okay :-) and my high price - to fly tomorrow morning! - of 130 was quite a lot |
| 15:33.11 | rdancer | ibot: change 46 GBP to CZK |
| 15:33.27 | rdancer | 46 is quite ok |
| 15:33.50 | rdancer | ibot: change 130 GBP to CZK |
| 15:34.06 | rdancer | 130 is not that much |
| 15:34.32 | rdancer | in fact, i'd expect it to be ~40% higher for tommorrow morning... |
| 15:34.51 | rdancer | 14:22 < George> I just spent 1050 GBP on screens and graphics careds |
| 15:34.53 | Leeds | that's to go out tomorrow morning and come back on Friday evening, I think |
| 15:34.54 | rdancer | 14:22 < George> it's an investment |
| 15:34.59 | rdancer | omg |
| 15:35.27 | Leeds | so should I go to Prague then? :-) |
| 15:35.47 | rdancer | Leeds: you mean tomorrow? |
| 15:35.56 | Leeds | not so much tomorrow, but in general |
| 15:36.06 | rdancer | Leeds: sure, it's a beautiful city |
| 15:36.26 | Leeds | I think if I went to my manager and said "I'm bored, so I think I'll take the rest of the week off and go to Prague" he wouldn't be too impressed :-) |
| 15:36.34 | rdancer | heh |
| 15:36.39 | rdancer | you might try it |
| 15:36.58 | rdancer | but probably not on tuesday, that's true |
| 15:37.20 | Leeds | plus, I have some things I need to do this week in Western Europe :-) |
| 15:37.28 | SlayerXP | rdancer: 5 years ago, people bought SCO stock |
| 15:37.37 | SlayerXP | that was classed as an investment |
| 15:37.39 | rdancer | SlayerXP: hahaha |
| 15:37.46 | Leeds | SlayerXP: I still sort of have some |
| 15:37.57 | Leeds | technically |
| 15:38.33 | rdancer | SlayerXP: but with George's stuff, the chances of it gaining on value are pretty dim |
| 15:38.49 | Leeds | to be fair, there are other definitions of investment than pure monetary return |
| 15:39.23 | Leeds | say, for example, he was worried about his eyesight and was buying hugely expensive monitors to protect it |
| 15:39.36 | rdancer | yes, that would maka sense |
| 15:39.50 | rdancer | i'm bying maltron as soon as i can afford it, for example |
| 15:39.53 | Leeds | hmm... to go Sunday morning to Saturday evening next week is only 91 GBP |
| 15:40.22 | Leeds | cheaper to come back on Friday |
| 15:40.57 | Leeds | in fact, Monday morning to Friday evening is only 76 |
| 15:41.13 | rdancer | Leeds: it's not much money anyway, and you're not going to spend much in .cz either |
| 15:41.20 | Leeds | that is quite impressively cheap to fly to the other end of Europe for a few days :-) |
| 15:41.41 | Leeds | I'm not going to do it... but I *could* |
| 15:42.01 | rdancer | well, i could not, which is why i should be looking for a job |
| 15:44.58 | rdancer | i get few SS5s today at 7, for free, free delivery 8-) |
| 15:45.13 | wethrin | Excellent :) |
| 15:45.13 | wethrin | Oh, and the monitors aren't going to be worthless in 5 years. The graphics card will be |
| 15:45.13 | rdancer | wethrin: the monitors will be burnt out |
| 15:45.24 | wethrin | Most unlikely |
| 15:45.40 | wethrin | My LCD is still working after 3 years |
| 15:45.57 | rdancer | lcd is not monitor |
| 15:45.59 | wethrin | And all my monitors are > 5 years old |
| 15:46.03 | wethrin | Yes it is |
| 15:46.07 | wethrin | Monitor != CRT |
| 15:46.14 | rdancer | ok |
| 15:46.33 | rdancer | lcd != crt |
| 15:46.50 | wethrin | True |
| 15:47.11 | rdancer | + '[' lcd '!=' crt ']' |
| 15:47.11 | rdancer | + echo true |
| 15:47.11 | rdancer | true |
| 15:47.14 | rdancer | wow, indeed |
| 15:57.59 | Leeds | hmm... or I could go to Spain for 65 GBP and have a free place to stay next week... |
| 15:59.23 | wethrin | Yes. Do some work |
| 16:01.17 | Leeds | just one more :-) |
| 16:01.30 | wethrin | No :-P |
| 16:01.32 | mozrat | how many windows do you need Leeds? |
| 16:01.44 | Leeds | mozrat: 8 right now, apparently |
| 16:02.29 | Leeds | right, I'm still looking at 222.40 for 2 weeks in Israel at the start of March... |
| 16:02.49 | Leeds | possibly plus 1 or 2 15GBP extras for more convenient flight times |
| 16:08.02 | wethrin | Use Eurostar! |
| 16:08.22 | JAV | ~Eurostar |
| 16:08.33 | JAV | ibot: eurostar |
| 16:08.52 | JAV | :( |
| 16:08.58 | Leeds | channel tunnel train |
| 16:09.06 | Leeds | not so useful from Spain, maybe |
| 16:09.09 | JAV | i guessed |
| 16:09.09 | JAV | :D |
| 16:09.11 | Leeds | wethrin: :-) |
| 16:09.50 | Leeds | now that I should book... wait a few days until my credit card cycles, I think |
| 16:09.54 | JAV | it's quite expensive + hostel + ... |
| 16:10.00 | Leeds | + beer |
| 16:10.05 | JAV | hehe |
| 16:10.31 | Leeds | it's not the cheapest city for beer... |
| 16:11.28 | JAV | I was quite surprised when a woman ask me for money after using the bathroom XD |
| 16:11.51 | Leeds | they have XD in the bathroom? |
| 16:12.00 | JAV | :) |
| 16:12.07 | JAV | never seen it before |
| 16:12.12 | Leeds | you know what XD is? |
| 16:12.30 | JAV | it meant to be a smiley |
| 16:12.33 | JAV | O:) |
| 16:12.47 | wethrin | Right. I'm in the market for new earphones, given that my iPod ones are now broken. So I want to get a really nice sounding pair. Any recommendations? |
| 16:12.54 | Leeds | it's a slightly-uncommon flash card format for digital cameras |
| 16:13.35 | JAV | like kodak i think |
| 16:13.43 | Leeds | ugh, already looking at either 90 or 100 for the train |
| 16:26.39 | JAV | Santander (SDR) - London Stansted (STN) 33.55 euros round trip |
| 16:27.34 | JAV | i spend more money in a weekend here |
| 17:05.39 | Leeds | hmm... there is no official hotel for FOSDEM this year, I guess |
| 17:06.16 | wethrin | Come to the hostel |
| 17:06.35 | rdancer | hostel |
| 17:06.38 | Leeds | not if work's paying :-) I'm just pricing it up for an expense request |
| 17:07.06 | wethrin | Bah |
| 17:07.19 | SlayerXP | expense _request_ ? |
| 17:07.22 | SlayerXP | how quaint. |
| 17:07.24 | Leeds | ibot change 210 eur to gbp |
| 17:07.42 | Leeds | SlayerXP: mailing the costs to my manager for pre-approval, before putting in a formal request |
| 17:07.51 | SlayerXP | that said, yahoo _did_ query an expense claim of 6 grand :) |
| 17:07.52 | Leeds | ibot change 150 eur to gbp |
| 17:08.06 | rdancer | now *that* is where the money from solaris sales go! |
| 17:08.22 | Leeds | rdancer: *what* money from solaris sales? :-) |
| 17:08.45 | rdancer | ah, wait. i knew there was a logical flaw... ;-) |
| 17:08.53 | wethrin | SlayerXP: Big bar tab? |
| 17:09.03 | SlayerXP | wethrin: a bunch of servers |
| 17:09.10 | wethrin | Yes, yes |
| 17:09.11 | wethrin | Sure :0 |
| 17:09.12 | wethrin | :) |
| 17:09.46 | SlayerXP | i charged then 100ukp/day for subsitence when I was in norway though |
| 17:09.48 | SlayerXP | them |
| 17:11.25 | rdancer | hmm, i don't think i will be happy spilling money by 26th february |
| 17:11.47 | rdancer | how much is the overall estimate for fosdem per person? (budget, if possible) |
| 17:12.46 | Leeds | well, I'm about to ask for 110 for travel, 150 for accommodation and 75 for food - but those are high budgets :-) |
| 17:12.58 | SlayerXP | 75 for food? |
| 17:13.05 | rdancer | for 2 days? |
| 17:13.23 | SlayerXP | that wouldn't even cover your hotel bar tab |
| 17:13.55 | Leeds | I feel guilty about asking for so much for what's really just a jollu |
| 17:13.57 | Leeds | jolly |
| 17:14.34 | Leeds | for food, that is - the rest is fine |
| 17:15.06 | Leeds | eurostar prices are already significantly up from the cheapest... |
| 17:15.06 | rdancer | the last time we checked, there were some really cheap flights to some airport in netherlands |
| 17:15.07 | rdancer | we wanted to go to rotterdam |
| 17:15.08 | Leeds | rdancer: yeah, but... FOSDEM is in Belgium... |
| 17:15.41 | rdancer | well, that's pretty much the same, isn't it? |
| 17:16.12 | rdancer | probably not... |
| 17:16.27 | Leeds | well, apart from being a different country... |
| 17:16.41 | rdancer | but these countries are so tiny, you can take a cab |
| 17:17.04 | rdancer | the flights were 1 or 2 pounds, iirc (without the airport expenses) 8-) |
| 17:17.11 | Leeds | ryanair |
| 17:17.27 | Leeds | and I really wouldn't suggest trying to take a cab from rotterdam to brussels :-) |
| 17:18.08 | rdancer | we thought we would do it like Prague -> London (stay for the night) -> [netherlands] -> Rotterdam |
| 17:18.25 | rdancer | which would roughly be cheaper then a bus Prague->Rotterdam |
| 17:19.19 | rdancer | only we didn't have the money to buy it then |
| 17:21.42 | Leeds | argh |
| 17:22.33 | rdancer | oh, ss5 was released only 2 days after my 14th birthday 8-) |
| 17:22.42 | wethrin | You're clearly old :) |
| 17:24.41 | wethrin | bye! |
| 17:25.03 | Leeds | bye |
| 17:31.39 | rdancer | bye |
| 17:51.49 | Leeds | "In order to build the Ada compiler (GNAT) you must already have GNAT installed" |
| 17:59.34 | Leeds | http://hoojum.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=nanode |
| 17:59.40 | Leeds | I'm talking to myself here, right? |
| 17:59.54 | SlayerXP | right |
| 18:02.41 | Leeds | thought so |
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| 18:32.26 | evangineer | nanode still isn't in production |
| 18:36.56 | Leeds | it looks pretty... |
| 18:38.17 | evangineer | hoojum are good at pretty |
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| 19:54.08 | SpudULike | OK, tonight's challenge is to get P2P working. Does anyone have any recommendations on where to start? |
| 19:54.47 | Leeds | which p2p for what purpose? |
| 19:55.44 | SpudULike | I would hope to download some DVDs and such. |
| 19:55.55 | Leeds | personal backups, of course... |
| 19:56.11 | SpudULike | Oh, err, yeah, that too. |
| 19:56.37 | Leeds | well, bittorrent is very easy |
| 19:56.47 | Leeds | but you need to find the torrents... |
| 19:57.17 | SpudULike | I seem to have something called MLdonkey installed, is that a start? |
| 19:57.40 | Leeds | well, it's not what I'd use.. |
| 19:57.45 | SpudULike | Finding servers seems to be the issue. Would these also be known as torrents? |
| 19:57.54 | Leeds | if I did such a thing - not that I would, of course |
| 19:57.56 | Leeds | except for personal backups |
| 19:58.04 | SpudULike | Indeed. |
| 19:58.19 | Leeds | I believe mldonkey is a multi-protocol client? |
| 19:58.27 | SpudULike | Hmm, maybe Murble was right about IBot. |
| 19:58.59 | SpudULike | I think it is, yes. It mentions Napster and stuff. |
| 19:59.25 | SpudULike | Oh, how I dream of this .... |
| 19:59.47 | Leeds | easy peasy |
| 20:00.11 | Leeds | okay, so most p2p networks/protocols have 2 parts - searching and sharing/downloading |
| 20:00.41 | SpudULike | For you. Is it correct to talk of P2P clients or should the be described otherwise? |
| 20:00.58 | Leeds | sure, clients |
| 20:01.13 | SpudULike | I ask 'cos they serve too, correct? |
| 20:01.58 | Leeds | yeah, but they're clients to the network |
| 20:02.28 | SpudULike | Ah, ok. So I need to start with searching? |
| 20:02.55 | Leeds | well... |
| 20:03.09 | Leeds | bittorrent is the current cool protocol/network - and it's under attack |
| 20:03.35 | Leeds | one of the things which makes bittorrent different is that it *doesn't* include searching |
| 20:03.58 | Leeds | you need to find a .torrent file - which contains the metadata for the download - and feed it to a bittorrent client |
| 20:04.36 | SpudULike | Are some .torrent files easier to find thatn others? |
| 20:05.02 | Leeds | yes |
| 20:05.06 | Leeds | some are legal :-) |
| 20:05.57 | Leeds | there's also a 'server' for bittorrent - called a tracker - which is the central contact point - not necessarily the original download point - for that download |
| 20:06.26 | Leeds | a tracker can host 1 or more torrent - but the point is that it's decentralised, so there's no central server to shut down |
| 20:06.52 | Leeds | it's being used quite a lot for things like distro releases |
| 20:07.04 | skugg_ | that's what it was designed for, was it not? |
| 20:07.07 | Leeds | but for dodgy stuff, you need to find somewhere to get dodgy torrents |
| 20:07.45 | SpudULike | OK, lets prove what I have with a publicly known torrent. |
| 20:07.47 | Leeds | skugg_: it was designed for efficient distribution of large files... things like OS releases yes, but obviously also media stuff |
| 20:07.56 | Leeds | SpudULike: how quick a connection do you have? |
| 20:08.29 | SpudULike | 2 Meg down, 512 up. Might be 256 up. |
| 20:08.41 | Leeds | fair enough |
| 20:08.47 | skugg_ | Leeds: my point was that it was not designed for illicit downloads |
| 20:09.16 | SpudULike | skugg_: Not that anyone on here would consider such a thing. |
| 20:09.17 | Leeds | thing is, most clean torrents are quite large, but it would probably be better to test with a small one |
| 20:09.41 | SpudULike | This makes equally good sense. |
| 20:09.44 | Leeds | skugg_: not explicitly - but I don't think Bram will have been dumb enough to think that it would only be used for clean stuff |
| 20:11.08 | Leeds | SpudULike: personally, I use a client called azureus - it's pretty and Java... |
| 20:14.04 | SpudULike | OK, I'll download it. How do I tell what version of JRE is installed? |
| 20:14.53 | SpudULike | -version |
| 20:15.47 | Leeds | java -version |
| 20:15.51 | SpudULike | java version "1.4.2_03" currently. Lets see if I can upgrade this first |
| 20:16.27 | Leeds | I'd go to 1.5 if you could |
| 20:16.33 | SpudULike | Yeah, I shocked myself by finding the answer to my own question before someone else could post. |
| 20:17.04 | Leeds | heh |
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| 20:18.52 | Leeds | SpudULike: can you get dcc? |
| 20:19.33 | Leeds | SpudULike: hello? |
| 20:19.49 | SpudULike | No, never figured out how to get DCCs through the firewall. |
| 20:35.10 | rdancer | i have the ss5s!!! |
| 20:35.56 | Leeds | wow! I have a u10 here! |
| 20:52.02 | rdancer | Leeds: ok, but you're not an impoverished czech exulee who's happy he's not hungry... ;-) |
| 20:53.27 | rdancer | wow, mc in sarge finally handles ftp timeouts gracefully |
| 20:57.31 | rdancer | john showed me the insides of the machine -- it's just marvelous... when compared to the PC ``engineering''... it's just incomparable |
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| 22:18.05 | BobtheAvenger | hey all |
| 23:12.33 | JAV | hello |