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| 08:55.58 | morsing | morning |
| 08:56.14 | mozrat-pl | morning morsing |
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| 08:58.50 | mozrat-pl | Hello Leeds |
| 08:59.15 | Leeds | morning mozrat-pl - having a good time? cold? |
| 08:59.24 | mozrat-pl | yes, good so far |
| 08:59.27 | mozrat-pl | and yes cold |
| 08:59.38 | mozrat-pl | went out for a walk last night and it was very cold |
| 09:00.57 | morsing | Snowing in Aylesbury |
| 09:01.25 | Leeds | morsing: now? |
| 09:01.36 | morsing | Well, when I left at 7am |
| 09:02.39 | Leeds | hmmm... it's quite sunny here - but was very cold last night |
| 09:03.24 | Leeds | well, sunny/cloudy - but not heavy cover which you normally get snow from |
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| 09:19.11 | Leeds | morning SlayerXP |
| 09:19.22 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 09:19.28 | mozrat-pl | moin SlayerXP |
| 09:19.50 | SlayerXP | -pl? |
| 09:19.58 | SlayerXP | you pretending to be a filthy forrin? |
| 09:20.41 | mozrat-pl | yeah |
| 09:21.37 | Leeds | he's gone over there because as a new EU country he can take advantage of their generous benefit system |
| 09:21.50 | mozrat-pl | heh |
| 09:22.23 | SlayerXP | do you know the traditional polish greeting? |
| 09:22.46 | mozrat-pl | nope |
| 09:23.07 | Leeds | shower time... |
| 09:23.12 | SlayerXP | "spierdalaj pizdu" |
| 09:23.20 | mozrat-pl | what does that mean? |
| 09:23.32 | SlayerXP | "I love you, and want to have your baies" |
| 09:23.36 | SlayerXP | babies |
| 09:26.59 | SlayerXP | polish is just english rot13'd |
| 09:28.58 | mozrat-pl | I'll certainly remember that |
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| 09:45.16 | Cope | morning |
| 09:45.25 | mozrat-pl | morning |
| 10:10.28 | Cope | what's a PUK? |
| 10:11.13 | morsing | For a phone? |
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| 10:19.33 | mozrat-pl | do demoralising to watch the progress on a FTP download and see the remaining time going up and up |
| 10:19.37 | mozrat-pl | s/do/so |
| 10:19.56 | wethrin | Morning |
| 10:20.03 | mozrat-pl | hey |
| 10:20.17 | wethrin | How's .pl? |
| 10:20.25 | mozrat-pl | good good |
| 10:20.36 | mozrat-pl | could do with a faster internet connection but apart from that |
| 10:20.41 | wethrin | Excellent. Where are you? |
| 10:20.44 | mozrat-pl | Warsaw |
| 10:21.07 | Cope | morsing: yeah; fixed now; but still don't know what it is. |
| 10:21.22 | wethrin | Ahh. |
| 10:22.02 | morsing | Wethrin: Hi |
| 10:22.09 | Cope | hello wethrin |
| 10:22.56 | morsing | Cope: http://www.mobileshop.com/customerservice/phone_codes.php |
| 10:24.00 | mozrat-pl | Am I right in saying if you installed a localised version of Linux and say Gnome, you could move that to English without having to reinstall the whole OS? |
| 10:26.34 | Cope | ibot puk |
| 10:26.44 | Cope | morsing: thanks |
| 10:28.20 | Cope | ibot: puk is Personal Unblocking Key - if you've entered your PIN code incorrectly 3 times, your sim card will be blocked, and you will be unable to make and receive calls/texts. You will need to obtain the PUK code from your Network/Service Provider, and may need to confirm some personal details for security reasons. |
| 10:28.21 | ibot | Cope: okay |
| 10:28.27 | Cope | ibot puk |
| 10:28.28 | ibot | from memory, puk is Personal Unblocking Key - if you've entered your PIN code incorrectly 3 times, your sim card will be blocked, and you will be unable to make and receive calls/texts. You will need to obtain the PUK code from your Network/Service Provider, and may need to confirm some personal details for security reasons. |
| 10:28.46 | Cope | excellent |
| 10:29.07 | mozrat-pl | ibot well done. You are truly a fountain of knowledge |
| 10:29.08 | ibot | okay, mozrat-pl |
| 10:29.27 | wethrin | Cope: "Is your name Cope?" "Yes?" "Really?" "Yes" "Okay then, here's your code" :) |
| 10:29.35 | mozrat-pl | heh |
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| 10:35.23 | Cope | wethrin: no... scarily, the O2 website simply asked for my phone number! |
| 10:35.56 | wethrin | Heh |
| 10:53.49 | morsing | beer |
| 10:54.07 | Leeds | bloody O2 website |
| 10:56.48 | wethrin | There was some snow here this morning. Not much. |
| 10:57.00 | SlayerXP | heh |
| 10:57.21 | SlayerXP | I got an actual spam |
| 10:57.37 | SlayerXP | cool headers |
| 10:57.38 | SlayerXP | X-Mailer: PEBKAC id:10T |
| 10:57.42 | wethrin | :) |
| 10:59.02 | Leeds | okay, that can't be right |
| 10:59.20 | morsing | Mmm.. alcoholic snow |
| 10:59.41 | morsing | ibot alcoholic |
| 10:59.42 | ibot | from memory, alcoholic is tux as far as i can tell |
| 10:59.44 | Leeds | looking at a weather forcast for Boston (USA) - they have -16C as the temperature... I mean, I know it's cold and stormy there at the moment, but it can't be that cold, can it? |
| 10:59.52 | morsing | ibot snow |
| 10:59.53 | ibot | it has been said that snow is cold, or white, or comes down in flakes, or cocaine |
| 11:04.53 | Leeds | hmm... O2's automated reply to my "your fucking view my bill doesn't work for me - never has - and repeated reports have been ignored" tells me to check that my Internet Explorer supports 128-bit encryption... strangely enough, my firefox reports the site is using 256-bit AES... |
| 11:06.03 | wethrin | :) |
| 11:11.04 | Leeds | they really are shit when it comes to customer service |
| 11:12.26 | wethrin | Yes |
| 11:14.07 | Leeds | strange enough they seem to get rather offended when you tell them that |
| 11:15.20 | wethrin | They do? |
| 11:15.36 | Leeds | they don't appreciate being sworn at |
| 11:16.04 | Leeds | they get rather huffy about it and threaten to put the phone down |
| 11:17.15 | Leeds | there is no way, at this point, that I'm not going to migrate away come the end of my 12-month contract |
| 11:17.30 | wethrin | When's the end of your contract come? |
| 11:17.36 | Leeds | August :-( |
| 11:18.22 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 11:19.06 | Leeds | by that point, I could be migrating to orange.co.il of course... |
| 11:21.00 | wethrin | Maybe... |
| 11:55.39 | mozrat-pl | and so cold |
| 12:04.20 | morsing | Where does lsof and sudo for AIX come from? |
| 12:15.55 | Leeds | mummy and daddy lsof and sudo? |
| 12:19.35 | morsing | ibot slap Leeds |
| 12:19.37 | ibot | ACTION slaps Leeds, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 12:23.54 | wethrin | Leeds: Has your work approved your FOSDEM expense yet? |
| 12:25.15 | Leeds | no |
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| 12:28.11 | Leeds | rhowe: welcomings |
| 12:28.51 | formi | hello! |
| 12:30.28 | ufo | SlayerXP: nice polish greeting .... ;) |
| 12:30.37 | morsing | Anyone know a good e-birthday card? |
| 12:30.39 | wethrin | hi rhowe |
| 12:30.56 | wethrin | morsing: echo "Happy Birthday" | mail <person@foo.com> |
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| 12:47.01 | Marios_ | what is the difference between the /proc in Linux and /proc in Solaris? |
| 12:47.12 | SlayerXP | the /proc is linux is useful |
| 12:47.13 | Marios_ | I am answering a questionaire |
| 12:47.15 | Marios_ | lol |
| 12:47.29 | Marios_ | SlayerXP...any more specific answer? |
| 12:47.41 | SlayerXP | nope :) |
| 12:47.50 | Marios_ | ok 1 |
| 12:48.57 | Leeds | Marios_: I could give a very detailed response, but it might affect my future employment... |
| 12:49.29 | Marios_ | lol |
| 12:49.31 | SlayerXP | i wasn't going to hire you anyway, don't worry :) |
| 12:49.32 | Leeds | and I should say that SlayerXP's response is pretty much correct :-) |
| 12:49.34 | Marios_ | ok don't do it ;) |
| 12:50.07 | Leeds | it's an extremely vague question though - it's like asking what's the difference between a Ford and a BMW... how do you answer that? |
| 12:50.28 | Marios_ | true |
| 12:50.39 | SlayerXP | the ford will have working indicators |
| 12:51.19 | Leeds | the simplest answer I'd give would be that Solaris /proc only contains directories for processes, whereas the Linux /proc also contains a lot of kernel and system information and tunable files |
| 12:51.31 | Leeds | mmm... tuna... getting to lunchtime :-) |
| 12:51.36 | Marios_ | ok thanx |
| 12:51.48 | SlayerXP | i'm eating chips and saveloy from the local chippy |
| 12:53.32 | Cope | what's the grub equivalent of the lilo way of getting to a root shell to change password? |
| 12:54.04 | SlayerXP | the same, no? |
| 12:54.18 | SlayerXP | just get to the prompt and append init= |
| 12:54.34 | Cope | init=/bin/sh |
| 12:54.47 | Cope | ok i'll try it - I thought there was another way |
| 12:54.52 | Cope | 2 tics |
| 13:04.29 | SlayerXP | I love windows |
| 13:04.30 | SlayerXP | ftp> exit |
| 13:04.30 | SlayerXP | Invalid command. |
| 13:04.30 | SlayerXP | ftp> quit |
| 13:04.30 | SlayerXP | 221 Goodbye. |
| 13:04.30 | SlayerXP | C:\temp>quit |
| 13:04.32 | SlayerXP | 'quit' is not recognized as an internal or external command, |
| 13:04.34 | SlayerXP | operable program or batch file. |
| 13:05.23 | Leeds | isn't that still the ported-from-BSD ftp client? |
| 13:11.14 | Leeds | lunchtime |
| 13:15.39 | Cope | its still running through the runlevels |
| 13:30.50 | mozrat-pl | http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=136308&liFlavourID=1 |
| 13:31.01 | SlayerXP | good old George Bush |
| 13:31.26 | SlayerXP | a man for whom the word "eloquent" is a friendly greeting to someone called Quentin |
| 13:32.23 | mozrat-pl | hee hee |
| 13:32.42 | mozrat-pl | 'War is Gods way of teaching George Bush geography" |
| 13:40.27 | evangineer | Firefox corporate deployment tools http://firefox.dbltree.com/ |
| 13:41.18 | evangineer | for windows-based environments unfortunately |
| 13:44.14 | SlayerXP | they're the ones that need it most |
| 13:46.29 | evangineer | indeed |
| 13:51.29 | highbury | cope, if there is a passwd set for root, you have to boot off another medium |
| 14:00.08 | rhowe | highbury: Not with init=/bin/sh :) |
| 14:04.30 | wethrin | EWEATHER |
| 14:05.35 | wethrin | rhowe: Yes, but then you need to do the appropriate remount dance |
| 14:06.56 | JAV | afternoon |
| 14:40.20 | Leeds | credit to O2: they got back to me, essentially to say they had another account registered for me under my pre-migration number, and that the online billing worked on that account |
| 14:40.59 | JAV | slow but secure :D |
| 14:41.28 | JAV | is this a solution? |
| 14:42.32 | Leeds | JAV: ? |
| 14:43.35 | JAV | is the same account? |
| 14:44.34 | JAV | i mean, is that what you wanted? |
| 14:45.54 | Leeds | JAV: do you know who O2 is? :-) |
| 14:51.31 | Leeds | wethrin: my manager's advice on FOSDEM is to put in an expense request - he'll approve it, and the people above him will then get a formal request rather than an informal one |
| 14:57.52 | Leeds | oh God, Jonathan's blog is on the front of sun.com now |
| 15:00.23 | George | http://www.gwright.org.uk/images/view.php?display=pictures/Misc/computer.jpg&width=800&height=600 |
| 15:00.26 | George | :) |
| 15:04.17 | Leeds | George: you must have an amazing small penis |
| 15:04.22 | George | thank you :) |
| 15:06.58 | George | Leeds: not all that equipment's mine, btw |
| 15:09.26 | Leeds | so your penis is even smaller than it looks? |
| 15:09.39 | George | ? |
| 15:10.04 | Leeds | well if your equipment isn't all yours... |
| 15:10.18 | George | the powerbook on the right isn't mine |
| 15:10.19 | George | the rest is |
| 15:10.57 | Leeds | powerbook, eh? that a euphemism? |
| 15:11.05 | George | no. |
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| 15:12.20 | George | Leeds: why are you obsessed with penises? |
| 15:13.44 | SlayerXP | George: http://photos.hinterlands.org/p9434896.html |
| 15:14.32 | Leeds | George: why are you obsessed with the size of your TFT? |
| 15:14.53 | George | because I'm a freak? |
| 15:14.54 | George | :P |
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| 15:25.28 | wethrin | mmm. I've just taken part of an evaporator to bits |
| 15:28.07 | George | hey Cope |
| 15:32.50 | Cope | hello George |
| 15:33.13 | Cope | rhowe: I now live nearer catford |
| 15:33.59 | rhowe | Cope: You moved? |
| 15:34.05 | rhowe | Cope: Where to? |
| 15:34.10 | Leeds | rhowe: we're planning a gllug, will that do? |
| 15:34.17 | wethrin | 15:33 <Cope> rhowe: I now live nearer catford |
| 15:34.26 | rhowe | Leeds: I guess - it'd be the first gllug I've been to :P |
| 15:34.35 | rhowe | wethrin: Maybe catford moved |
| 15:34.37 | Cope | rhowe: shooters hill |
| 15:34.42 | rhowe | Cope: Post code? |
| 15:34.47 | Leeds | rhowe: if you don't come sooner or later, we'll fire you |
| 15:34.51 | SlayerXP | one of my cats has read george's latest kde article |
| 15:34.52 | SlayerXP | http://photos.hinterlands.org/p8972446.html |
| 15:34.52 | Leeds | Cope: not shoot-up hill? |
| 15:34.54 | Cope | I do have one, yes |
| 15:34.57 | Cope | Leeds: alas not |
| 15:35.11 | rhowe | Cope: Care to enlighten me as to what it might be, or indeed is? |
| 15:35.14 | Cope | rhowe: se18 3lg I think |
| 15:35.49 | rhowe | Cope: Is it as posh as your last place? |
| 15:36.17 | rhowe | Ah, you're almost half the distance you were before |
| 15:36.39 | Cope | rhowe: posher |
| 15:36.45 | rhowe | Cope: Really?! |
| 15:36.50 | Leeds | right, I now have two outstanding expense requests |
| 15:37.08 | rhowe | Leeds: I handed in my receipts and he went "anything to add?" |
| 15:37.21 | Leeds | rhowe: toys? :-) |
| 15:37.33 | rhowe | in a kind of you-aren't-even-trying kind of way |
| 15:37.44 | rhowe | So I lumped an extra hundred quid of my HK expenditure on it too :) |
| 15:37.48 | Leeds | if I go to Boston, it's going to be an expensive trip... |
| 15:37.51 | rhowe | Leeds: Only a miniPCI WLAN card for the Soekris |
| 15:38.14 | Leeds | and I have just asked for 380 GBP for FOSDEM, which seems quite a lot for a weekend away... |
| 15:38.14 | rhowe | Need to get a couple of aerials for it next |
| 15:38.27 | rhowe | One might well be enough, but a second can't hurt :) |
| 15:38.27 | wethrin | Leeds: Dinner's on you, then? |
| 15:38.40 | Leeds | wethrin: you a customer? :-) |
| 15:38.54 | wethrin | Leeds: I should soon have a Sun machine running Solaris10, if that counts |
| 15:39.04 | Leeds | not really |
| 15:39.09 | wethrin | pah |
| 15:39.22 | wethrin | The University of Durham surely is, though? |
| 15:39.35 | Leeds | they're actually quite picky about that sort of thing now - it used to be much easier |
| 15:40.08 | wethrin | Right. Is there anything else I want from eBuyer? I have a DVD writer, pack of DVDs, and a set of headphones |
| 15:40.09 | Leeds | rhowe: here be dragons? |
| 15:41.06 | rhowe | Leeds: Possibly - I have no idea what I'm looking at, since the map covers only the area between the two points, and neither of the points themselves |
| 15:41.10 | rhowe | -ENOBEARINGS |
| 15:42.14 | Leeds | lol |
| 15:44.44 | JAV | Leeds: http://www.o2.co.uk/ |
| 15:44.50 | JAV | right? :D |
| 15:45.18 | JAV | "Browser Upgrade Netscape" 8| |
| 15:46.04 | rhowe | Cope: You're just around the south circular, basically |
| 15:46.08 | Cope | rhowe: yes |
| 15:46.13 | rhowe | Cope: Sucks for trains, but there's probably a bus |
| 15:47.02 | Leeds | JAV: yes |
| 15:47.34 | Cope | ok - braindump: Have built server with kickstart script, pulling rpms from an nfs server; once the server has been built I can now ping the default gateway, but can't get anywhere else, can't even ping dns servers, or the nfs server I used to install! |
| 15:47.41 | wethrin | Leeds: What's Solaris 10's support for USB DVD+RW drives like? |
| 15:47.43 | Cope | Possible reasons? |
| 15:47.54 | wethrin | Cope: You don't have a default route set? |
| 15:48.16 | wethrin | Is the NFS server on the same network segment? |
| 15:48.49 | rhowe | Cope: Hm, 2 buses |
| 15:48.55 | Leeds | wethrin: I've not the slightest idea |
| 15:48.57 | Cope | plausible |
| 15:49.07 | Cope | no the nfs server etc are on different vlans |
| 15:49.12 | rhowe | Cope: 10mins, then 20mins to shooters hill police station, then a 15min walk |
| 15:49.14 | wethrin | Pff. You should know the products you're working on :) |
| 15:49.26 | Cope | rhowe: not bad |
| 15:49.33 | Leeds | I don't know all the devices which are and aren't supported... |
| 15:49.35 | Cope | rhowe: or 8 mins by car |
| 15:49.44 | rhowe | Cope: Yes :) |
| 15:49.45 | wethrin | Bah :) |
| 15:49.56 | Leeds | right, that's two weeks off in March requested to go to Israel |
| 15:50.41 | SlayerXP | oh dear |
| 15:50.52 | irvined__ | Leeds, touristing or blowing yourself up? |
| 15:50.54 | SlayerXP | you know that's on Dubya's list |
| 15:51.00 | SlayerXP | Iraq |
| 15:51.01 | SlayerXP | Iran |
| 15:51.03 | SlayerXP | Israel |
| 15:51.04 | irvined__ | SlayerXP, yep, doers of great evil. |
| 15:51.11 | Cope | Irvine |
| 15:51.21 | Leeds | irvined__: bit of touristing, bit of job-hunting |
| 15:51.26 | wethrin | Coincidence....they all begin with the letter I |
| 15:51.41 | Leeds | Iowa |
| 15:51.45 | rhowe | Indiana |
| 15:51.48 | rhowe | India! |
| 15:52.07 | Leeds | Yugoslavia! |
| 15:52.07 | wethrin | Bah |
| 15:54.16 | rhowe | hm, wonder if work should've known that I had no travel insurance... |
| 15:55.08 | Leeds | if you were travelling on work, they should have covered you, I think |
| 15:55.11 | Leeds | I know they cover me... |
| 15:55.25 | Leeds | someone want to do me a favour? |
| 15:58.12 | JAV | Leeds: money involved? :D |
| 15:58.23 | Leeds | JAV: for the helper, no :-) |
| 15:58.48 | JAV | tell me |
| 15:59.17 | Leeds | go to www.elal.co.il and try to book a return economy flight London->Tel Aviv, going out on 05/03 returning on 19/03 |
| 15:59.50 | Leeds | I get a system error when I try |
| 16:01.42 | JAV | let's see |
| 16:02.09 | SlayerXP | perhaps they know something we don't |
| 16:02.23 | SlayerXP | like, on the 19th there will be no Tel Aviv to return from |
| 16:02.56 | JAV | A system error has occured, please try again later. |
| 16:03.12 | Leeds | right, same here - so it's not just me |
| 16:03.14 | Leeds | JAV: thanks |
| 16:08.06 | mozrat-pl | it looks like it should taste sweet but by God it doesn't |
| 16:08.44 | mozrat-pl | ah, It's a soft sweet pastry with a mushroom filling |
| 16:10.34 | rhowe | Leeds: They didn't explicitly purchase travel insurance, AFAIK |
| 16:16.14 | Leeds | I don't know how much company travel there is, but AFAIK we have one massive policy |
| 16:16.34 | Leeds | it's one of the reasons we have to use the company travel agent to book travel |
| 16:23.03 | rhowe | hm, maybe the case (we probably buy several plane tickets a day) |
| 16:38.57 | pawel | yeah. my dvd recorder has arrived. |
| 16:38.58 | pawel | :) |
| 16:39.13 | Leeds | cool |
| 16:39.39 | pawel | and it works quite good with that ide-usb adapter. |
| 16:40.32 | SlayerXP | quite well, not good. |
| 16:41.23 | pawel | works fine. :) |
| 16:43.37 | rhowe | Found some executable files on the Citrix server from yesterday |
| 16:43.46 | rhowe | in the root of C:, with suspicious names |
| 16:43.54 | rhowe | And the file owner? |
| 16:43.56 | rhowe | $boss :) |
| 16:44.04 | rhowe | Looks like spyware/adware |
| 16:55.27 | SlayerXP | Subject: [Gllug] Anyone know anything about hardware ? |
| 16:55.38 | SlayerXP | gosh, well don't make your subject _too_ specific |
| 16:56.38 | rhowe | SlayerXP: Reply with "probably" |
| 17:02.46 | wethrin | No, I don't use hardware |
| 17:06.17 | JAV | :D |
| 17:23.46 | Leeds | argh... I find dealing with customer service stuff so annoying |
| 17:24.34 | Leeds | 5 minutes on hold being told "an agent will be with you soon", only to be told that they're too busy to talk to me and can they call be back tomorrow? |
| 17:25.42 | wethrin | Bah |
| 17:30.15 | Leeds | shopping for travel insurance has become a more interesting thing... pre-existing medical condition and all that |
| 17:35.01 | Leeds | you get some interesting exclusions: |
| 17:35.12 | Leeds | "Your intentional self-injury, suicide or attempted suicide or exposing yourself to unnecessary danger (except in the attempt to save a human life)." |
| 17:40.18 | rhowe | Does "exposing yourself to unnecessary danger" include eating a jam donut? |
| 17:42.36 | Leeds | possibly |
| 17:42.50 | wethrin | What about a pretzel? |
| 17:43.00 | Leeds | I suppose I should check the government advice re: travelling to Israel, since that's also the sort of thing insurers get upset about |
| 17:43.08 | Leeds | wethrin: certainly - they can be very dangerous |
| 17:43.16 | wethrin | Yes |
| 18:01.41 | Leeds | credit to the AA - seem to have decent prices and decent medical policy |
| 18:06.18 | Cope | :-) |
| 18:06.32 | Leeds | okay, so the government advise against going to the Israel-Lebanon border... but I'm not going to take any notice of that |
| 18:06.42 | Leeds | it's far safer now than when I lived there :-) |
| 18:08.48 | Leeds | and they suggest taking a mobile phone if you're hiking in the desert... I really doubt the reception is that good in the areas which would matter |
| 18:09.13 | SlayerXP | both the artic and antartic are deserts |
| 18:09.15 | wethrin | Satellite phone |
| 18:09.26 | wethrin | SlayerXP: Yes, and do they get phone reception? |
| 18:09.41 | SlayerXP | wethrin: I couldn't say |
| 18:11.01 | Leeds | wethrin: if the satellites are over the equator, you could have trouble when approaching the poles |
| 18:11.27 | wethrin | Clearly you need more satellites then |
| 18:11.56 | Leeds | oh, and the FCO claim that the current Israeli government is a right-wing coalition - that's not been the case for at least 3 weeks now! :-) |
| 18:13.56 | Leeds | and the FCO, of all people, should know the difference between "there" and "their"... |
| 18:14.15 | wethrin | So should everyone else |
| 18:14.38 | SlayerXP | ditto "who" and "whom" |
| 18:15.18 | wethrin | your and you're |
| 18:15.26 | Leeds | SlayerXP: there and their is a lot more blantant, since they have completely different meanings |
| 18:15.49 | Leeds | and whom is on the verge of slipping into archaism |
| 18:16.08 | wethrin | its and it's |
| 18:17.40 | Cope | discrete and discreet |
| 18:26.11 | SlayerXP | Leeds: i use it daily, often several times |
| 18:29.29 | Marios_ | if I wanted to have a Computer acting as a router...do I need a powerfull server or just a regular PC ? |
| 18:29.38 | Cope | yes |
| 18:29.47 | Leeds | regular PC, unless you want to do enormous amounts of traffic |
| 18:29.52 | Marios_ | hmmm ok |
| 18:30.00 | JAV | what tax rate do you have in uk? |
| 18:30.02 | Marios_ | I am answering a test actually |
| 18:30.12 | SlayerXP | "powerful server" and "regular pc" are too vague to answer meaningfully |
| 18:30.14 | Leeds | JAV: we have lots of tax rates |
| 18:30.21 | SlayerXP | JAV: for what category of tax? |
| 18:30.21 | Leeds | SlayerXP: so is "acting as a router" |
| 18:30.25 | JAV | right, here too :D |
| 18:30.47 | SlayerXP | my regular pc probably counts as quite a powerful server, for example |
| 18:30.48 | JAV | as in... |
| 18:30.50 | JAV | $29.99 30-slot Bookshelf |
| 18:30.50 | JAV | $ 4.8 16% regional tax (VAT) |
| 18:30.50 | JAV | $34.79 Total |
| 18:31.02 | Leeds | JAV: oh, VAT - 17.5% on almost everything |
| 18:31.04 | SlayerXP | VAT is 17.5% currently |
| 18:31.06 | JAV | (oreilly) |
| 18:31.13 | Leeds | ah, safari :-) |
| 18:31.53 | JAV | yes :D |
| 18:32.11 | Leeds | I only have a 10-slot, but then I also have an unlimited-slot and unlimited-time account from work :-) |
| 18:32.15 | Marios_ | SlayerXP: in my example I have Dell PowerEdge 2850 machine (server) and Dell Dimension 2400 (PC) |
| 18:32.36 | SlayerXP | Marios_: you have my sympathy |
| 18:32.53 | Marios_ | lol |
| 18:32.56 | JAV | I'd like to know how o'reilly send vat money to spain |
| 18:33.39 | JAV | Leeds: lot's of books to read now, i choose a cheaper one later |
| 18:33.48 | JAV | i'll choose |
| 18:33.53 | Leeds | JAV: at some point in the past couple of years, the EU required companies selling services to EU countries to collect the VAT... |
| 18:34.57 | JAV | legal ones :D |
| 18:35.41 | Leeds | right, hometime |
| 18:36.13 | JAV | I've bought several things and I don't remember they included vat |
| 18:36.21 | Leeds | services or goods? |
| 18:36.31 | JAV | domains |
| 18:36.46 | Leeds | I'm not sure what they'd count as :-) |
| 18:37.03 | Leeds | anyway, I'm out of here... |
| 18:37.16 | JAV | well, at least they told me in advance |
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| 19:05.34 | Leeds | wow, that's impressively cheap |
| 19:05.52 | Leeds | $40 for 3 years subscription to Queue |
| 19:08.32 | rhowe | Maybe their financial projections put them as bust in 6 months? |
| 19:08.57 | Leeds | tha acm, bust? |
| 19:09.25 | Leeds | that is relatively unlikely, I think |
| 19:09.28 | rhowe | Yeah, damn fly-by-nights :) |
| 19:16.50 | rhowe | woohoo |
| 19:16.54 | rhowe | I just expensed 300 quid |
| 19:18.57 | Leeds | I got a reply regarding going to the US: "Don't know yet" |
| 19:19.25 | Leeds | not the most useful management communication I've had passed onto me - but far from the least useful |
| 19:23.22 | rhowe | heh |
| 19:23.40 | Cope | type a password; and I just get another login screen, regardless of login, and without chance to enter a password. |
| 19:23.44 | Cope | hmm, never seen this before... |
| 19:23.53 | Cope | not password... login; |
| 19:24.17 | Leeds | I think it was more an attempt from my manager to get me to stop bugging him about it - by proving that he'd passed on the question |
| 19:24.24 | Cope | i see |
| 19:24.53 | Leeds | Cope: this is Linux console? |
| 19:25.14 | Cope | Leeds: yes |
| 19:25.20 | Cope | login: |
| 19:25.27 | Cope | type a loginm, enter |
| 19:25.37 | Cope | just get another screen asking for a login |
| 19:25.47 | Cope | no chance to enter a password |
| 19:25.55 | rhowe | hm, broken pam? |
| 19:26.23 | Cope | hmm |
| 19:27.27 | Cope | same :-( |
| 19:27.41 | Cope | paul login: |
| 19:27.48 | Cope | <type fred> |
| 19:27.53 | Cope | just get: |
| 19:27.57 | Cope | paul login: |
| 19:30.24 | Leeds | yeah, sounds like something's broken there... |
| 19:30.52 | Leeds | speaking as a professional in the field and all |
| 19:33.06 | Leeds | broken pam, broken /etc/passwd... |
| 19:33.12 | Leeds | things like that come to mind |
| 19:34.20 | Cope | hmm |
| 19:34.38 | Cope | last thing to happen was up2date failing to upgrade python |
| 19:37.15 | Leeds | I wouldn't expect that to break login, but I suppose it could be a symptom of the same breakage |
| 19:38.30 | Cope | single user works fine, as expected |
| 19:38.40 | Cope | networking can also be brought up |
| 19:50.10 | Cope | ewww: |
| 19:50.27 | Cope | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 19:50.27 | Cope | File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 11, in ? |
| 19:50.27 | Cope | import rpm |
| 19:50.27 | Cope | ImportError: /usr/lib/libelf.so.1: invalid ELF header |
| 19:53.02 | Leeds | dmesg saying anything scary? |
| 19:55.09 | Cope | no |
| 19:55.26 | Cope | shit its late, and I can't contact hui to explain why I am not home |
| 19:55.30 | Cope | and she'll be worried |
| 19:56.39 | Leeds | yes, she will |
| 19:57.04 | Leeds | no phone at home yet? |
| 19:58.22 | Cope | no :( |
| 19:58.38 | Cope | which is probably very very old python |
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| 19:59.08 | MacLeeds | hmm... |
| 19:59.23 | Cope | import rpm is the problem |
| 19:59.32 | MacLeeds | JAV: why cctv? |
| 19:59.59 | JAV | my parents supermarket |
| 20:00.17 | JAV | I want to spy them ;) |
| 20:00.24 | MacLeeds | right, but what I mean is - what is a cctv card, or is it just a normal tv card with a camera plugged in? |
| 20:00.37 | Cope | Leeds: definitely duplicable |
| 20:00.50 | Cope | >>> import rpm |
| 20:01.02 | JAV | a tv card with several inputs |
| 20:01.03 | Cope | gives same ELF error |
| 20:01.20 | MacLeeds | Cope: what does ldd say on libelf? |
| 20:01.37 | JAV | http://store.ituner.com/ituner/spec8vidcapc.html |
| 20:01.52 | MacLeeds | JAV: I'd just get several cards, I think - depending on how many is several and what you avtually want to do with it |
| 20:02.07 | JAV | 8 pci slots? :D |
| 20:02.19 | MacLeeds | ah, 8 is a lot |
| 20:03.01 | JAV | it looks that bt878 based cards work on linux with v4l |
| 20:03.19 | MacLeeds | yes |
| 20:03.22 | JAV | http://www.zoneminder.com/home.html |
| 20:04.02 | JAV | I'd like to see one of this cards working before buying it |
| 20:04.40 | Cope | MacLeeds: umm not sure how to ask it |
| 20:05.07 | MacLeeds | Cope: just ldd <path-of-libelf" |
| 20:05.27 | MacLeeds | uh... with <> or "" not <" :-) |
| 20:05.33 | JAV | maybe too much data to process, 8 mpeg videos compresing at time |
| 20:06.06 | MacLeeds | JAV: yes - also a lot of data on the pci bus |
| 20:06.58 | Cope | MacLeeds: .a? .so? .so.1? |
| 20:07.09 | MacLeeds | .so |
| 20:07.17 | Cope | 'not a dynamic executable' |
| 20:07.17 | MacLeeds | .a isn't an elf file |
| 20:07.21 | JAV | this card is 4 full, 8 multiplexed so I'll need 2 cards |
| 20:08.14 | MacLeeds | Cope: and try it on another, random libray |
| 20:08.18 | Cope | ok |
| 20:08.40 | Cope | ok that gives a sensible answer |
| 20:09.34 | MacLeeds | are you on a system where you can validate libelf? |
| 20:10.08 | Cope | I don't have another rhas 3.0 system |
| 20:10.13 | Cope | this is the first attempted build |
| 20:10.32 | MacLeeds | shouldn't the rpm command be able to do that? |
| 20:10.48 | highbury | rpm -a --verify |
| 20:10.54 | highbury | i think |
| 20:13.52 | Cope | rpm: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libelf.so.1: invalid ELF header |
| 20:14.03 | MacLeeds | ah |
| 20:14.13 | MacLeeds | that could be a problem |
| 20:14.21 | highbury | 'tis buggered |
| 20:14.30 | MacLeeds | and that, of course, is why rpm should be static |
| 20:14.45 | Cope | this can be fixed; I've seen this before |
| 20:14.54 | highbury | /sbin/rpm ? |
| 20:15.01 | Cope | nasrat and I talked about it |
| 20:16.56 | Cope | highbury: I only have /bin/rpm |
| 20:17.19 | MacLeeds | do you have rpm2cpio and cpio? |
| 20:18.35 | Cope | yes |
| 20:18.55 | MacLeeds | then I'd reinstall libelf from source media |
| 20:19.22 | MacLeeds | and be aware that something broke and you should really hunt for the underlying cause, even if you've fixed the break :-) |
| 20:19.54 | Cope | what's that got to do with rpm2cpio? |
| 20:20.59 | MacLeeds | so you can get libelf from the CD :-) |
| 20:21.14 | Cope | heh |
| 20:22.08 | Cope | the source rpm will be available, of course |
| 20:22.28 | MacLeeds | source meaning binary in this case... |
| 20:24.20 | Cope | hmm |
| 20:27.26 | Cope | i have elfutils on my repository server |
| 20:29.22 | gregj | I get something like that when compiling kernel : |
| 20:29.23 | gregj | |*** Warning: "current_thread_info_reg" [arch/sparc64/solaris/solaris.ko] undefined! |
| 20:29.26 | gregj | |*** Warning: "" [arch/sparc64/solaris/solaris.ko] undefined! |
| 20:29.29 | gregj | |*** Warning: "" [arch/sparc64/solaris/solaris.ko] undefined! |
| 20:29.31 | gregj | |*** Warning: "" [arch/sparc64/oprofile/oprofile.ko] undefined! |
| 20:29.34 | gregj | any ideas ? |
| 20:29.36 | gregj | I get loads of that |
| 20:30.21 | MacLeeds | it looks like a personality issue |
| 20:31.46 | gregj | it's clean make |
| 20:34.21 | Cope | ok - I now have the rpms on the borked box |
| 20:34.44 | gregj | someone adviced to remake /scripts/ dir in kernel, will see how it helps |
| 20:39.37 | Cope | oh bollocks, rpm2cpio won't work either, of course |
| 20:40.18 | MacLeeds | sorry - that was what I meant by have... it's why I asked the question |
| 20:45.01 | Cope | well I have another machine with rpm2cpio |
| 20:49.47 | Cope | ok, I now have rpms on machine with functioning cpio |
| 20:49.57 | Cope | and rpm2cpio |
| 20:58.56 | Cope | urgh |
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| 20:59.23 | Cope | ok, I know have libelf.so.1 on the broken machine |
| 21:03.30 | Cope | well actuall libelf-0.9.1.so |
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| 21:15.29 | Cope | ok, rpm now works |
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| 21:51.14 | highbury | Why does the baby always start crying during the most exciting bite :-/ |
| 21:51.20 | highbury | bits |
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| 22:11.35 | Cope | hmm |
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| 22:21.51 | BobtheAvenger | hey all |
| 22:24.51 | BobtheAvenger | hey |
| 22:26.59 | MacLeeds | ufrat/ |
| 22:27.00 | MacLeeds | ? |
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| 22:31.04 | MacLeeds | morning floo |
| 22:32.08 | floo | hello Mac leeds??? and morning? where are you then? |
| 22:32.19 | BobtheAvenger | hey everyone |
| 22:32.25 | floo | hi bob |
| 22:32.42 | BobtheAvenger | hey floo |
| 22:32.52 | MacLeeds | don't worry, I'm just in London :-) |
| 22:33.39 | BobtheAvenger | this being greater london linux group |
| 22:34.10 | MacLeeds | floo: so how's life? |
| 22:34.25 | floo | not bad |
| 22:34.31 | MacLeeds | BobtheAvenger: fancy asking ufo where he is right now? or JAV? how about gregj? :-) |
| 22:34.45 | floo | I've organised a cocktail evening tomorrow night in Central london |
| 22:34.46 | BobtheAvenger | nope thanks |
| 22:35.02 | SlayerXP | today I upgraded my playbox to postgres 8, today I doscovered the joys of case sensitivity where before there was none. |
| 22:35.05 | MacLeeds | floo: why's that then? |
| 22:35.09 | floo | there will be quite a few people turingn up and quite nrervous |
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| 22:48.39 | *** topic/#gllug is Greater London Linux User Group. Next meeting: 29-Jan-2005, Web site: http://www.gllug.org.uk. Remember to take a look at the wiki - http://wiki.gllug.org.uk, channel stats at http://www.jonmasters.org/irc/gllug |
| 22:48.46 | MacLeeds | ibot welcome back |
| 22:48.49 | ibot | Howdy back | It is good to see you back | back, Sup yo? |
| 22:49.13 | floo | yoo to yyou mr Bot |
| 22:50.45 | MacLeeds | there's no such thing |
| 22:51.12 | floo | sorry slayer can't let you in on this one |
| 22:51.46 | SlayerXP | why not? |
| 22:52.14 | floo | no disresppect to youbut I don't know you well enough |
| 22:52.27 | SlayerXP | hey, I routinely encourage people not to use linux |
| 22:52.28 | floo | it's not the event but more what's behind it |
| 22:52.44 | floo | whywould you do that |
| 22:52.46 | MacLeeds | SlayerXP: telling them to use gnu/linux instead? |
| 22:52.47 | SlayerXP | "please don't use debian, you're too stupid" |
| 22:53.44 | floo | pmsl |
| 22:53.56 | SlayerXP | "go give knoppix or gentoo a reputation for idiocy instead" |
| 22:54.04 | SlayerXP | you'll note that it's working. |
| 22:55.23 | floo | So ur a Bill Gates fan then? |
| 22:55.46 | SlayerXP | i have a great deal of respect for what he's done |
| 22:56.02 | MacLeeds | SlayerXP: yeah, those photos took a lot of nerve |
| 22:56.37 | floo | WHat you mean bullying smaller competitors out of existence |
| 22:57.24 | SlayerXP | more like: ensuring that low cost, affordable technology is available to a fair chunk of the world's population |
| 22:57.34 | JAV | sympathy for the devil :D |
| 22:58.03 | SlayerXP | pleased to meet you, hope you got my name |
| 22:58.51 | SlayerXP | err hope you guess my, even |
| 22:58.54 | floo | Qualify your cheap hardware statement please |
| 22:59.06 | JAV | who knows what had happened if ms didn't had existed |
| 22:59.13 | MacLeeds | floo: he didn't say hardware |
| 22:59.29 | MacLeeds | SlayerXP: you are Martin and I claim my 5 GBP |
| 22:59.36 | floo | technology is hardware isn'tit |
| 22:59.43 | MacLeeds | not at all |
| 22:59.44 | SlayerXP | MacLeeds: you are the only gay in the village, AICMFP |
| 22:59.44 | SlayerXP | :) |
| 22:59.55 | SlayerXP | floo: not even close |
| 22:59.56 | MacLeeds | um... |
| 23:00.24 | MacLeeds | JAV: huh? |
| 23:00.33 | SlayerXP | <JAV> who knows what had happened if ms didn't had existed |
| 23:00.47 | MacLeeds | ah :_) |
| 23:00.52 | JAV | O:) |
| 23:01.02 | SlayerXP | I was to wanting to have talked to my late uncle next year, last august. |
| 23:01.20 | floo | I dispute that |
| 23:01.33 | SlayerXP | i will be having to have wanted to have been there next month |
| 23:01.49 | SlayerXP | floo: it's a free country |
| 23:01.51 | MacLeeds | We were going to have wanted to have been going to ski |
| 23:02.12 | floo | no i meant that technology doesn't include hardware |
| 23:02.22 | SlayerXP | who said it didn't? |
| 23:02.26 | JAV | do any of my original phrase was correct? :) |
| 23:02.43 | MacLeeds | JAV: "was any of my original phrase correct?" |
| 23:02.56 | floo | youdid.... not even close you said |
| 23:03.02 | SlayerXP | no I didn't |
| 23:03.05 | SlayerXP | read again |
| 23:03.17 | MacLeeds | floo: hardware is a form of technology, but it's not even close to being all of it |
| 23:03.31 | floo | I never said it was |
| 23:03.42 | SlayerXP | <floo> technology is hardware isn'tit |
| 23:03.45 | floo | anyway how has BG helped to keep all this cheap |
| 23:03.49 | SlayerXP | yes, you did |
| 23:03.50 | MacLeeds | you were the one who made the jump from cheap tech to cheap hardware |
| 23:04.13 | floo | who did |
| 23:04.30 | MacLeeds | argh |
| 23:04.32 | SlayerXP | floo: by ensuring that mass market consumer products are easily useable by someone without a scientific or technical education |
| 23:04.40 | SlayerXP | i.e. letting your granny surf for porn |
| 23:04.47 | floo | at £100.00 a cd |
| 23:04.54 | MacLeeds | Apple did a better job of the easy, but a far worse job at the cheap |
| 23:05.13 | floo | for winxp |
| 23:05.20 | floo | how cheap is that? |
| 23:05.23 | SlayerXP | floo: are you a quadophrenic? if so, could you leave a note for the next guy to change nicks. |
| 23:05.27 | SlayerXP | this is confusing. |
| 23:05.39 | floo | no need to be rude |
| 23:05.46 | SlayerXP | floo: for several million man hours of R7D, pretty cheap. |
| 23:05.51 | SlayerXP | R&D |
| 23:05.56 | floo | rubbish |
| 23:06.10 | floo | it's obscenely expensive |
| 23:06.16 | SlayerXP | ooh, the famous "rubbish" response to an argument |
| 23:06.20 | SlayerXP | yes, that's got me |
| 23:06.26 | floo | which is why most of the third world are switching to opensource |
| 23:06.51 | floo | because they can't afford Ms's CHEAP licenses |
| 23:07.08 | SlayerXP | yes, macros economics |
| 23:07.11 | SlayerXP | macro |
| 23:07.14 | floo | Ms's dirty tricks campaing to introduce software patenets |
| 23:07.18 | SlayerXP | will your point be along any time soon? |
| 23:07.49 | MacLeeds | there is a question around at what point the R&D is paid off and, for example, it could be sold at a little over manufacturing cost to low-income destinations |
| 23:07.50 | floo | if your to blind to see it I'm not going to reiterate it |
| 23:07.58 | SlayerXP | third world countries can't affored computers, MS licencing isn't an issue |
| 23:08.48 | SlayerXP | floo: you appear to be confusing the cost of something with its value. |
| 23:08.50 | MacLeeds | SlayerXP: I don't think that's true |
| 23:09.16 | SlayerXP | linux is free, does that mean it's worth nothing? |
| 23:09.19 | floo | I can't believe the callousness of your answer Slayer |
| 23:09.45 | MacLeeds | there is a certain basic cost of a PC, I'd say around ?100-?150 - but the 'basic' software suite sells for more than that |
| 23:09.59 | SlayerXP | callous? not been called that before. |
| 23:11.15 | SlayerXP | as a tax payer, I've helped contribute trillions of pounds of aid to third world countries. |
| 23:11.57 | floo | That's not what I'm saying as well youknow |
| 23:12.02 | SlayerXP | I supply debian ISOs to a charity who teach kids to use computers |
| 23:12.24 | MacLeeds | I hope you mean CDs, not ISOs |
| 23:12.24 | floo | so why are you slagging off Linix then? |
| 23:12.37 | SlayerXP | floo: err, I wasn't |
| 23:13.00 | SlayerXP | (hello floo personality #3) |
| 23:13.26 | floo | I routinely encourage people not to use Linux |
| 23:13.32 | SlayerXP | yes |
| 23:13.45 | floo | so u disapprove then |
| 23:13.46 | SlayerXP | that's not in any way "slagging off linux" |
| 23:13.55 | floo | it sounds like it to me |
| 23:13.59 | MacLeeds | floo: you didn't notice how he followed that up? :-) |
| 23:14.30 | SlayerXP | floo: you forgot to ignore the red mist and read what came next |
| 23:15.15 | floo | what red mist... you make a lot of assumtions |
| 23:15.19 | floo | p |
| 23:15.24 | Cope | lol |
| 23:15.57 | floo | is this a new London borouugh? |
| 23:16.52 | Cope | no |
| 23:17.11 | Cope | hello SlayerXP - nice to see you online in the evening |
| 23:17.22 | SlayerXP | lo cope |
| 23:17.28 | SlayerXP | floo: read this: http://www.hinterlands.org/linuxhate.html |
| 23:18.05 | SlayerXP | i wrote it over 6years ago, and there's very little there I still don't agree with |
| 23:18.36 | SlayerXP | point 3, especially. |
| 23:19.10 | floo | I think i'll pass on that isf you don't mind |
| 23:19.19 | SlayerXP | err why? |
| 23:19.49 | SlayerXP | "LALALALALALA I AM NOT LISTENING LALALALALA LALALALAL" |
| 23:20.52 | highbury | just finished watching the last Farscape .... cool! |
| 23:20.55 | MacLeeds | okay, leave it out, both of you |
| 23:22.15 | SlayerXP | it was a sad day when "debating" was removed from the national curriculum |
| 23:22.36 | highbury | SlayerXP: I quite like that linuxhat document |
| 23:22.57 | SlayerXP | highbury: it's not _quite_ as true as it used to be. |
| 23:23.00 | MacLeeds | SlayerXP: you are a prat, you know that? |
| 23:23.20 | SlayerXP | MacLeeds: oh? how so? |
| 23:23.22 | highbury | although I would add a Debian diatribe to it |
| 23:23.57 | SlayerXP | no need to bring those debian-loving weenies into it |
| 23:24.24 | highbury | awwwww |
| 23:24.37 | MacLeeds | SlayerXP: well, generally in many ways - but in this case, floo came in looking to chill with friends because he was having a stressful day... not looking for a row |
| 23:25.24 | SlayerXP | MacLeeds: well, in the time honoured tradition, I claim "he started it" |
| 23:26.32 | MacLeeds | it would have been easy enough to gently make your point and let it go |
| 23:27.08 | MacLeeds | you can't say you didn't enjoy "winning" that |
| 23:27.19 | SlayerXP | I don't see it as winning at all |
| 23:27.42 | SlayerXP | either someone can defend their opinion or they can't |
| 23:28.16 | SlayerXP | if I find myself having been proved to be talking bollocks, then I shut up, and even apologise |
| 23:28.18 | SlayerXP | sometimes :) |
| 23:28.21 | MacLeeds | you didn't give him a chance |
| 23:28.48 | MacLeeds | he's not the quickest typist, and you bulldozed him |
| 23:29.34 | SlayerXP | such is IRC. it yet lacks a keyboard dependant lag-o-meter |
| 23:29.59 | highbury | its a good way to encourage increased typing speed |
| 23:30.15 | MacLeeds | um, maybe |
| 23:30.26 | MacLeeds | although it's helped my typing - not my spelling... |
| 23:30.45 | SlayerXP | yse it hlpede mien oto |
| 23:31.20 | MacLeeds | xchat won't let you type teh without correcting it to the unless you then correct it again :-) |
| 23:31.21 | highbury | then again its a hell of a lot more interesting than some of the discussions lately involving bobtheavaenger or watching people convert currency |
| 23:31.51 | SlayerXP | well, let's debate |
| 23:32.02 | SlayerXP | someone pick a topic, and I'll pick an opinion at random |
| 23:32.04 | MacLeeds | it's getting to drugs'n'bed time |
| 23:32.24 | highbury | oh I wish :[ |
| 23:32.34 | SlayerXP | drugs is bad m'kay? |
| 23:32.41 | Leeds | no, they're not |
| 23:32.45 | SlayerXP | are too |
| 23:33.11 | Leeds | you really want to argue this? :-) |
| 23:33.46 | SlayerXP | well, would you agree that being stabbed repeatedly in the face with a needle used by an HIV positive herion fiend is a Bad Thing[tm]? |
| 23:33.57 | SlayerXP | heroin |
| 23:34.20 | Leeds | yes. |
| 23:34.26 | SlayerXP | so drugs are bad. |
| 23:34.32 | SlayerXP | nEXT! |
| 23:34.33 | SlayerXP | :) |
| 23:34.56 | Leeds | would you agree that being able to, oh, say, artificially boost the levels of insulin in your blood when your body can't make enough is a Good Thing[TM]? |
| 23:35.07 | SlayerXP | sounds bad for the gene pool |
| 23:35.10 | Leeds | thereby not losing limbs, eyesight, life, etc. |
| 23:35.11 | SlayerXP | joke! |
| 23:35.39 | Leeds | prat :-) |
| 23:36.05 | highbury | lol |
| 23:36.25 | SlayerXP | note how I don't storm out of the channel :) |
| 23:37.20 | Leeds | would you agree that being able to articficially 'get the attention' of a girl who would otherwise ignore you is... oh, wait... maybe that's a bad example... |
| 23:37.56 | Cope | SlayerXP: did you scare off floo? |
| 23:39.07 | SlayerXP | Cope: apparently. |
| 23:39.27 | Leeds | pills, check... pill, check... injection, check... |
| 23:40.40 | SlayerXP | Cope: well, more accurately he misread or misunderstood what I said, and got annoyed when I pointed out he was talking bollocks |
