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| 07:56.53 | Cope | morning |
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| 08:45.41 | Leeds | morning folks |
| 08:48.13 | Cope | hi Leeds |
| 08:48.26 | Leeds | how's it going? |
| 08:48.38 | Cope | define 'it' more closely please. |
| 08:50.29 | Leeds | life, work, weather, travel, stock prices, house prices, general feelings of bonhomie or otherwise, etc. |
| 08:50.29 | Leeds | you know: "it" :-) |
| 08:51.15 | Leeds | sorry, I suppose that doesn't really count as more closely... |
| 08:58.42 | Cope | I would say that I am generally in good spirits. Sinister grey clouds loom overhead, through which dazzling rays of sun occasionally penetrate, reflecting off the lustrous exterior of the buildings surrounding my office. |
| 08:59.50 | Leeds | that's remarkable poetic... I'm just finishing breakfast :-) |
| 09:01.01 | Leeds | which is, of course, my excuse for the total lack of grammar in the previous statement |
| 09:04.15 | Leeds | either that, or I've become a redneck overnight without noticing |
| 09:05.35 | Cope | a red-necked phalanthrope |
| 09:06.33 | Leeds | a what now? |
| 09:07.18 | Cope | a bird |
| 09:07.33 | Leeds | ah |
| 09:08.44 | Leeds | remarkably (!) Google only knows of one reference to that word, which does define it as a bird, but is in a usenet post from 2000 discussing "what if it was as, or more, accepted in most cultures for a woman to have multiple husbands or lovers as for a man?" |
| 09:10.38 | Leeds | and during the meanwhilst, my sugar levels have been misbehaving slightly |
| 09:11.45 | Cope | extraordinary |
| 09:13.24 | Leeds | and annoyingly, someone in the US called Richard has started working on the same thing as me again, for the first time in years, meaning I can no longer tab through our personally-named build directories with impunity |
| 09:13.49 | Cope | rat bag |
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| 09:38.16 | Marios_ | Bill Gates is live on tv ;) |
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| 10:02.26 | Cope | morning harkness |
| 10:02.26 | harkness | good morning Cope |
| 10:02.26 | harkness | I seem to be first in to work today :-) |
| 10:02.27 | Cope | at 9.55 |
| 10:02.27 | Cope | goodness |
| 10:02.47 | harkness | They normally stay until after 6 and some people pretend to work from home ;-) |
| 10:03.10 | Leeds | I was third in at 10am the other day - I'm still at home now, but I've had one working-at-home mail and one off-sick mail so far |
| 10:03.40 | Leeds | we do have one guy who works 7:30 to 4... |
| 10:03.45 | harkness | I hear that HSBC in London is desperate for Linux contractors. They are stuck with some people with very little experience. |
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| 10:05.41 | Leeds | morning highbury |
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| 10:56.31 | Leeds | morning mz2 |
| 10:58.46 | mz2 | morning |
| 10:58.59 | mz2 | damned alarm clocks |
| 10:59.06 | mz2 | they never work when you don't set them up |
| 11:01.06 | Leeds | yeah, they're bastards like that |
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| 11:20.50 | mz2 | duh! just figured out why my printer hasn't worked remotely with cups |
| 11:21.08 | mz2 | it helps if the nifty new firewall doesn't block it... :) |
| 11:24.14 | Leeds | heh |
| 11:26.31 | mz2 | has any one of you heard of Apocalyptica btw? |
| 11:26.59 | Leeds | nope |
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| 11:32.30 | Clive | Good Morning |
| 11:33.45 | Leeds | morning |
| 11:34.23 | SlayerXP | I;m not having a good morning |
| 11:35.00 | Clive | heh |
| 11:35.09 | Leeds | how so? |
| 11:35.11 | SlayerXP | I am getting highly zarked off with den norske bank |
| 11:35.59 | SlayerXP | today is the three month anniversary of us asking them to open a bank account |
| 11:41.45 | Cope | :) |
| 11:42.02 | rhowe | # wc -l bin/updatezone |
| 11:42.02 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.12 | rhowe | Not too bad :) |
| 11:48.12 | Leeds | http://www.boingboing.net/2005/01/27/jailed_for_using_a_n.html can't be true... can it? |
| 11:49.41 | Clive | If it is , that's very scary |
| 11:52.55 | rhowe | sites |
| 11:53.00 | rhowe | That's pretty nifty |
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| 11:54.42 | Leeds | yup, it's a relatively new feature |
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| 12:08.34 | wethrin | close enouugh |
| 12:08.34 | Leeds | good afternoon :-) |
| 12:08.34 | wethrin | yes. that too |
| 12:14.45 | Leeds | so how are you on this fine Thursday? |
| 12:16.03 | wethrin | I was demonstrating in labs. Shockingly, one first-year knew how to read and use an oscilloscope. That's one this entire academic year so far |
| 12:16.19 | wethrin | Right now I'm having some lunch, and waiting until I can use the water supply for my pumps |
| 12:19.01 | wethrin | And your good self, sir? |
| 12:21.06 | Leeds | not bad at all... quiet day at the office, wondering what my blood is going to be like after my lunchtime walk, looking forward to the weekend and upcoming travel... :-) |
| 12:21.22 | SlayerXP | where my normal stress level is . |
| 12:21.28 | SlayerXP | I am now ................................... |
| 12:22.03 | wethrin | Leeds: Presumably your blood will still be red? |
| 12:22.09 | wethrin | Where are you travelling this weekend? |
| 12:22.16 | wethrin | SlayerXP: What happen? |
| 12:22.29 | Leeds | wethrin: the issue isn't colour, it's sugar mmol/l |
| 12:22.41 | wethrin | Yes, I know :) |
| 12:22.55 | wethrin | I was being silly |
| 12:23.03 | SlayerXP | today is the three month anniversary of me trying to open a bank account in norway |
| 12:23.09 | Leeds | wethrin: not travelling this weekend at all - except for to gllug - but fosdem and Israel trips coming in the next few weeks - upcoming travel makes me very happy... I *like* travelling |
| 12:23.30 | Leeds | SlayerXP: is it one of those things where if you were in a branch for an hour it would all be sorted, but trying to do it from here nothing happens? |
| 12:23.55 | SlayerXP | no, it's a disjointed comedy of one bizarre improbable event after another |
| 12:24.42 | SlayerXP | for example, being issued with norwegian person numbers that are one digit too short |
| 12:24.57 | SlayerXP | i'm assured this simply isn't possible |
| 12:25.02 | rdancer | heh |
| 12:25.07 | rdancer | morning |
| 12:25.24 | rdancer | SlayerXP: they surely have checksums, so this really can't happen |
| 12:25.28 | wethrin | SlayerXP: Clearly they don't really want you moving there :) |
| 12:25.58 | SlayerXP | it's beginning to look like that |
| 12:26.09 | rdancer | SlayerXP: maybe you've stumped upon a bug in their system -- something you shoud investigate into and leverage in an identity-selling clandestine business or something! |
| 12:27.07 | SlayerXP | there was a cool posting to the svn mailing list. some guy thought he'd found a major security problem |
| 12:27.18 | SlayerXP | it turns out that users who can commit to the repository can corrupt files |
| 12:27.30 | SlayerXP | Files on a hard disk in "can be modified by users with the right permissions" *shocker* |
| 12:28.09 | Leeds | the question would be can they corrupt the history, or is any corruption fully reversible? |
| 12:28.28 | SlayerXP | you restore from your backup |
| 12:28.45 | SlayerXP | and amputate the user's arms |
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| 12:31.19 | rdancer | what's wrong with the network today? |
| 12:32.33 | Leeds | it's Thursday - never could get the hang of them |
| 12:34.25 | rhowe | http://tinyurl.com/44dmq |
| 12:34.31 | rhowe | First person to spot something interesting wins :) |
| 12:35.15 | wethrin | candid camera? |
| 12:35.43 | rhowe | Add &Language=4 to get it in English |
| 12:36.15 | wethrin | eh? |
| 12:43.27 | Leeds | bonus points if you can get a picture of the camera |
| 12:44.35 | rhowe | heh |
| 12:44.58 | rhowe | And if you can find a camera you can move |
| 12:45.05 | rhowe | I have one which is showing cats on a bad |
| 12:45.07 | rhowe | bed |
| 12:45.15 | rhowe | http://tinyurl.com/6qktk |
| 12:46.32 | rhowe | A laundrette - http://tinyurl.com/4tnmn |
| 12:46.48 | Leeds | oh, I've found a few I can move |
| 12:47.55 | Leeds | or even zoom! |
| 12:48.41 | Leeds | right, lunchtime walk time... |
| 12:51.15 | rdancer | reboot a gain |
| 12:53.10 | wethrin | fun |
| 13:01.40 | rhowe | Also, this - inurl:"axis-cgi/mjpg" |
| 13:13.23 | rhowe | http://tinyurl.com/3zczz |
| 13:13.28 | rhowe | That looks, um, interesting |
| 13:13.53 | wethrin | rhowe: bored? |
| 13:19.15 | rhowe | Somewhat :P |
| 13:19.39 | wethrin | Come to Durham for beer :) |
| 13:21.19 | rhowe | -EBROKE |
| 13:23.15 | wethrin | Come to FOSDEM |
| 13:25.07 | wethrin | (and 'no' is the Wrong answer) |
| 13:32.12 | rhowe | Arrgh |
| 13:32.16 | rhowe | fscking boss is lying out of his ass |
| 13:32.32 | rhowe | Doesn't want anyone to know that he's broken the New York firewall |
| 13:33.16 | rhowe | He's going to walk someone through booting it up with Knoppix in order to get the damn thing functioning enough to do a Debian install via debootstrap |
| 13:33.45 | rhowe | Anyway, I wish him luck. I'm off for food |
| 13:34.10 | rhowe | Serves him right for setting up a firewall with Mandrake 8, X and Gnome |
| 13:34.11 | rhowe | Idiot |
| 13:34.29 | Clive | Gnome or X on a firewall |
| 13:34.30 | Clive | Tsk |
| 13:35.12 | rhowe | Yeah, he's an idjit |
| 13:35.28 | Clive | heh |
| 13:35.29 | rhowe | He just doesn't do anything and then acts all suprised when shit breaks |
| 13:35.33 | rhowe | Or machines get compromised |
| 13:35.38 | Clive | Sounds bad |
| 13:35.48 | SlayerXP | rhowe: hire me to sort it all out |
| 13:36.01 | rhowe | SlayerXP: No |
| 13:36.11 | rhowe | Or people complain the network sucks, or that the IT department sucks |
| 13:36.19 | rhowe | He also complains when everyone calls me instead of him |
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| 13:36.37 | SlayerXP | have you explained that's because you have a clue and he doesn't? |
| 13:36.48 | rhowe | SlayerXP: No, because it was him who got me the job |
| 13:37.17 | rhowe | I'm running a final backup of Exchange right now, as it happens, and it's on the verify stage |
| 13:38.05 | rhowe | Anyway, lunchtime |
| 13:39.43 | wethrin | It's past lunchtime! |
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| 14:15.21 | Leeds | blood time! |
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| 14:23.09 | Cope | what does the term 'utility server' mean to you? |
| 14:24.33 | SlayerXP | ummmm nothing. |
| 14:26.40 | Leeds | I can think of things it could mean |
| 14:27.20 | Leeds | either a server being run by the gas (etc.) company, or a server which is part of a utility computing service |
| 14:32.23 | Cope | lol |
| 14:32.28 | Cope | it meant nothing to me either |
| 14:32.36 | Cope | but aparently its on our 'roadmap' |
| 14:33.12 | Cope | I -think- they mean a generic bog-standard server you can plug in and switch on - for micky mouse webhosting etc |
| 14:33.41 | Leeds | that's not quite utility computing, but it's in that area |
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| 15:11.25 | JAV | hello |
| 15:17.16 | rdancer | hi |
| 15:51.38 | Leeds | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4211475.stm |
| 15:51.53 | Cope | Leeds in the news? |
| 15:52.25 | Cope | oh |
| 15:52.29 | Leeds | not me, thank god |
| 15:53.06 | Leeds | if you've not read this story before, you should go back to the start and read it - if nothing else, the guy is one of us - he's a technology journo |
| 15:54.04 | rdancer | hmm |
| 15:54.08 | Cope | yes, I've read some of his stuff - amazing guy. |
| 16:04.26 | Leeds | anyone want to help me with trying to get someone's vnc working? |
| 16:09.27 | rdancer | Leeds: sure, if you don't mind i don't know absolutely anything about vnc 8-) |
| 16:09.41 | rdancer | (ok, i've read the website frontpage) |
| 16:10.22 | Leeds | the problem is that we don't seem to be able to get a network connection running - it doesn't even seem to start negotiation of the protocol |
| 16:11.05 | Leeds | the server is running... I can connect to the port, as can he... netstat shows the server listening, and the ESTABLISHED port when I connect |
| 16:11.07 | rdancer | i've got the same problem with 802.11b yesterday |
| 16:11.34 | rdancer | except the card pedantically kept saying the 802.11b layer was set up |
| 16:11.46 | Leeds | he can ssh to the machine, so the networking isn't completely dead |
| 16:12.04 | Leeds | oh, and netstat, at least, is reverse-resolving me correctly, so it's not a hang on that |
| 16:12.13 | rdancer | Leeds: tcpdump ? |
| 16:12.47 | rdancer | Leeds: plain telnet results in the tcp handshake to complete, correct? |
| 16:13.10 | Leeds | yes - the socket is connecting, but (at least as far as we can see) the server never starts the negotiation |
| 16:13.40 | Leeds | I don't think tcpdump would help - I think the problem is the vnc server... |
| 16:13.41 | wethrin | Can he vnc to localhost? |
| 16:13.50 | rdancer | Leeds: tcpdump will tell you whether it actually starts the negotiation |
| 16:14.11 | Leeds | wethrin: the machine is headless, and his desktop is a windows box, so it's not easy to tell |
| 16:14.20 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 16:14.27 | rdancer | Leeds: as well as whether it makes some DNS reverse queries, NIS, or something |
| 16:15.44 | Leeds | rdancer: any advice on a sane way to check for that? I'm not a tcpdump expert |
| 16:16.22 | wethrin | tcpdump -i <interface> port <vncport> |
| 16:16.24 | rdancer | Leeds: tcpdump -n -i any |
| 16:16.50 | rdancer | wethrin: we want to catch icmp, dns, etc., so better not restrict it |
| 16:16.58 | wethrin | Point |
| 16:17.41 | rdancer | Leeds: if you know there is some huge traffic, as e.g. irc, you can do `` not port <port>'' |
| 16:18.20 | rdancer | Leeds: tcpdump -n -i any not port ircd and not port ssh |
| 16:18.26 | Leeds | that's my point - this guy isn't that techie, and I don't walk to walk him through the log |
| 16:18.40 | Leeds | is there any way to ask for all the traffic associated with a particular process |
| 16:18.40 | Leeds | ? |
| 16:18.54 | rdancer | no |
| 16:18.59 | rdancer | not that i knew |
| 16:19.31 | rdancer | but there is an iptables rule that can do something based on the UID/GID of the process owning the socket |
| 16:19.33 | Leeds | in which case strace is a better bet, I think |
| 16:20.14 | rdancer | well you don't catch things like icmp or looped dns queries with strace |
| 16:20.30 | Leeds | you can catch some sign of them |
| 16:21.02 | rdancer | agreed |
| 16:22.14 | rdancer | at the end of the day, debugging is a tedious and time-consuming task, which inevitabily and invariabily leads to the discovery that someone did something really really stupid |
| 16:22.26 | Leeds | yes, he probably did :-) |
| 16:22.54 | rdancer | more then often it's *me*, but that's probably a skewed perspective |
| 16:23.22 | Leeds | well, it's him doing the stuff - I'm just telling him what to do :-) |
| 16:23.28 | rdancer | heh |
| 16:23.33 | rdancer | good luck... 8-) |
| 16:23.56 | rdancer | Leeds: can't he just give you admin rights for the moment? |
| 16:24.16 | Leeds | I don't want him to - I don't want to do all the work, and I want him to learn |
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| 17:18.36 | axelS | hiho |
| 17:18.59 | Marios_ | hello axelS |
| 17:19.26 | axelS | i'm having tourble reaching out datacentre. looks like one of the linx routers has given up. has anybody else got problems? |
| 17:21.07 | rdancer | axelS: don't you have a remote serial console for exactly these situations? |
| 17:21.25 | Leeds | and don't linx have status info? |
| 17:21.42 | rdancer | Leeds: status info? |
| 17:21.44 | axelS | well, no - i don't think i do. but i know it's not anything to do with my server. i think it's well before that. |
| 17:22.11 | rdancer | axelS: you have a crystal sphere? 8-) |
| 17:22.26 | axelS | no, traceroute :) |
| 17:22.43 | rdancer | axelS: then you *know* it's before that |
| 17:22.55 | rdancer | axelS: which server? |
| 17:23.00 | rdancer | axelS: IP, i mean |
| 17:23.17 | axelS | well, i know that the problem lies somewhere her: 129.250.2.195p16-7-0-0.r01.dllstx09.us.bb.verio.net |
| 17:23.36 | rdancer | axelS: ask netcraft whether they can reach it |
| 17:24.11 | rdancer | axelS: if you give us the IP, we can try to reach it from different corners of the world... |
| 17:24.40 | axelS | the box i'm trying to reach is 212.78.73.105 |
| 17:24.42 | rdancer | Leeds: what status info were you talking about? |
| 17:25.27 | Leeds | rdancer: I don't know - I was thinking that linx might post status info on their site? |
| 17:25.47 | rdancer | ah, linx, not linUx |
| 17:26.12 | Leeds | yes, we're talking about linx |
| 17:26.19 | axelS | actually, i think it's verio - not linx. gosh, i wished i knew what datacentre my box is in! (hosting with 1stServ.com - whos servers are unreachable too) |
| 17:26.54 | rdancer | axelS: give them a call -- if you can't reach them, you know it's not just you 8-) |
| 17:27.16 | wethrin | axelS! |
| 17:27.23 | axelS | well, their support lines are going to vm at the moment. dunno why, probably because they have 1000 people calling them LOL |
| 17:27.45 | axelS | darn, i wished i had invested in a backup server |
| 17:27.47 | rdancer | axelS: that's what i'm talking about: it's *not* just you 8-) |
| 17:28.11 | axelS | i know it isn't but it doesn't seem to make me feel anybetter about it |
| 17:28.20 | rdancer | wow, 7'50" to complete reinstall |
| 17:28.45 | axelS | 7 hours??? wth are you (re)installing |
| 17:29.00 | rdancer | axelS: it means you can't do nothing about it. seat yourself comfortably, and enjoy it |
| 17:29.18 | rdancer | ' minutes " seconds |
| 17:29.46 | rdancer | 7' 50", if we had thin spaces in ASCII |
| 17:30.08 | axelS | oh, minutes... |
| 17:30.42 | axelS | has nobody else got problems? c'on, I don't wanna be the odd one out ;-) |
| 17:30.59 | rdancer | it took ~2 hours, and it will take another two, during which the machine will be mostly unusable because IDE access results in considerable lags |
| 17:32.05 | rdancer | nope, 1on1 loads instantly |
| 17:32.36 | rdancer | 3'30" |
| 17:32.44 | axelS | ok, the phonelines are back up :D they are looking into it... |
| 17:33.08 | axelS | damn, i hate answering phones when clients are close to biting my head off |
| 17:33.16 | rdancer | eh |
| 17:33.30 | rdancer | you should... switch them to the vm 8-) |
| 17:33.36 | axelS | called 1stserv. their phone lines went down LOL |
| 17:34.00 | axelS | how do peopl protect themselves from black outs? second box in another dc? |
| 17:34.14 | axelS | home box running backup dns and mx? |
| 17:34.15 | rdancer | axelS: by paying more money |
| 17:34.29 | wethrin | $friend has machine which I use for backup DNS and MX |
| 17:34.53 | rdancer | axelS: relax |
| 17:34.54 | axelS | mmm friends... |
| 17:35.19 | axelS | i am relaxed - considering the amount of stress i'm experiencing right now... well, only got myself to blame |
| 17:35.31 | axelS | really? COOL! how/what/where/how much? |
| 17:36.51 | wethrin | Is it for personal or business use? |
| 17:37.17 | axelS | business use (paying for the box), personal mainly :-) |
| 17:37.52 | wethrin | Well, for personal stuff I can do it without cost |
| 17:38.41 | rdancer | the problem with www backups is, it has to be implemented below the IP layer. which is not like hooking up a box under the couch over broadband just in case |
| 17:38.43 | axelS | let's see how much inconvenience it causes - i'm def' willing to pay a little :-) just don't have much right now (attrocious january) |
| 17:39.06 | axelS | i primarily need backup mx, websites people don't care much about. but emails... |
| 17:39.16 | wethrin | axelS: What domain? |
| 17:39.27 | axelS | the main domain is brightercomputing.net |
| 17:39.41 | wethrin | And other domains for mail? |
| 17:40.19 | wethrin | I can just set it up now if you want |
| 17:40.55 | axelS | a few, yes. i dunno who this works really. brighercomputing.net is the domain of the server, every other domain is using ns1.brightercomputing.net as its primary nameserver, the ip is shared amongst the other domains on the box. |
| 17:41.48 | wethrin | Yes, that's fine |
| 17:42.01 | axelS | cool, what info do you need? |
| 17:42.04 | rdancer | axelS: the source SMTP server does an equivalent of host -t mx brightercomputing.net |
| 17:42.13 | Leeds | so, tell me something I've never been clear on: "backup mx" means actually accepting the mail and forwarding it when possible? |
| 17:42.27 | wethrin | axelS: Domains you want backup MX for, and IP address and domains for backup DNS |
| 17:42.28 | axelS | as i understand yes. |
| 17:42.36 | wethrin | IP address of primary DNS server, that is |
| 17:42.39 | wethrin | Leeds: Yes |
| 17:42.42 | axelS | sec |
| 17:44.39 | rdancer | Leeds: but you can have an mx which knows how to send the mails further, but you just don't want it to work as an mx all the time (because it has other things to do for example) |
| 17:45.52 | JAV | http://www.ingredientx.com/watch/tales/procrast.mov |
| 17:49.05 | rdancer | JAV: doesn't it have an audio track? |
| 17:50.36 | JAV | only audio? no idea |
| 17:52.11 | JAV | Selected audio codec: [qclp] afm:qtaudio (Quicktime QCLP audio decoder) |
| 17:52.18 | JAV | mplayer says so |
| 17:54.32 | rdancer | a-ha |
| 17:54.40 | rdancer | only video |
| 17:54.43 | rdancer | no audio |
| 17:54.52 | JAV | yes, it has audio |
| 17:54.58 | rdancer | mplayer says something along the "no sound" lines |
| 17:55.22 | rdancer | would many lines similar to 1212 brk(0x815c000) = 0x815c000 |
| 17:55.42 | rdancer | in a strace output signalize the application was short on memory? |
| 17:56.12 | rdancer | and so the later "Internal error" was due to insufficient memory? |
| 17:56.17 | JAV | rdancer: upgrade your codecs |
| 17:57.18 | rdancer | JAV: i have marillat's version |
| 17:57.43 | rdancer | mplayer wouldn't compile on plain woody these days |
| 17:58.38 | JAV | 4,0K all-20050115 |
| 17:58.38 | JAV | 4,0K MPlayer-1.0pre6a |
| 17:58.59 | JAV | I've got last codecs an mplayer available |
| 17:59.54 | JAV | wouldn't compile? for? |
| 18:00.32 | JAV | s/for/why |
| 18:05.20 | rdancer | JAV: very old library versions |
| 18:05.24 | rdancer | (probably) |
| 18:25.31 | rdancer | it's so easy to install and lose interest later on |
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| 18:46.45 | Leeds | hmmm... now how much is it worth to have a senior VP at Sun wash my car? |
| 18:48.17 | Leeds | they've setup an internal auction to raise money for tsunami relief... and that's one of the lots |
| 18:52.25 | JAV | heh |
| 18:53.07 | rhowe | Careful - if you offer too much, they'll know you're overpaid :) |
| 18:53.17 | Leeds | heh |
| 18:53.42 | Leeds | what they've said is a) the company will match all the money paid and b) people are expected to pay their highest bid, even if they don't win, as a donation |
| 18:54.15 | Leeds | it could actually raise a lot of money like that |
| 19:07.24 | harkness | Can anyone recommend an organisation that does domain registrations? I used UKDOMAINS for a while but am migrating all my domains away - any suggestions? |
| 19:08.23 | Leeds | I've had ukreg recommended for .uk - I use joker.com but they don't do .uk |
| 19:10.21 | harkness | thanks Leeds: I shall have a look |
| 19:31.21 | axelS | he's gone home mate |
| 19:40.19 | JAV | http://weather.cnn.com/weather/forecast.jsp?locCode=LES7 |
| 19:40.31 | JAV | cold!! |
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| 19:47.10 | axelS | wb Leeds |
| 19:47.27 | Leeds | hi |
| 19:49.40 | morsing | Why can't k3b write an image to a CD? |
| 19:51.01 | Leeds | not root? |
| 19:51.05 | Leeds | driver not loaded? |
| 19:51.14 | axelS | faulty medium? |
| 19:51.21 | Leeds | starts with a k and therefore barely works? |
| 19:52.15 | axelS | wtf is k3b? or do you mean 3kb? :-) |
| 19:52.42 | morsing | Leeds: the k thing is the closest I get. |
| 19:53.02 | morsing | It works fine just doesn't have the capability of writing images (like Windows) |
| 19:53.17 | axelS | ahhh... the w-word |
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| 19:53.55 | BobtheAvenger | hey all |
| 19:54.14 | axelS | hi bob |
| 19:54.49 | BobtheAvenger | het axelS |
| 19:54.53 | morsing | Hi Bob. How's Linux? |
| 19:54.54 | BobtheAvenger | *hey |
| 19:55.10 | BobtheAvenger | hey morsing |
| 19:55.31 | BobtheAvenger | i aint got linux up because i'm tied up with course work |
| 19:55.44 | axelS | ? |
| 19:55.50 | BobtheAvenger | stupid stupid course work |
| 19:55.52 | axelS | what kinda excuse is that mate? ;-) |
| 19:56.03 | axelS | linux should be the course work *g* |
| 19:56.08 | BobtheAvenger | the 2000 wrds in 3 days kind |
| 19:56.16 | axelS | openOffice :-D |
| 19:56.42 | BobtheAvenger | if you can get the government to see it that way the good |
| 19:57.02 | Leeds | BobtheAvenger: I think my employer has a number of people whose full-time job is exactly that :-) |
| 19:57.41 | BobtheAvenger | well tell then to try harder Leeds |
| 19:57.51 | Leeds | axelS: point to Vienna now |
| 19:58.16 | BobtheAvenger | stupid stupid course work |
| 19:58.40 | axelS | education sucks, dunnit? :-p |
| 19:58.48 | BobtheAvenger | yep |
| 19:58.56 | axelS | ARGH! I'm outta beer... |
| 19:59.06 | BobtheAvenger | me too almost |
| 19:59.36 | BobtheAvenger | but theres 5l next door |
| 20:00.20 | axelS | xmas was last year. man, what a hang over ;-D |
| 20:00.24 | BobtheAvenger | 5l-->10pints |
| 20:00.35 | Leeds | axelS: xmas was almost always last year |
| 20:00.44 | axelS | hehe |
| 20:00.50 | axelS | "fuck yeah" |
| 20:00.58 | BobtheAvenger | heh |
| 20:01.00 | axelS | god i love that movie! |
| 20:01.44 | BobtheAvenger | back to crappy english course work |
| 20:01.49 | axelS | gl |
| 20:01.57 | BobtheAvenger | i need a mirical |
| 20:02.13 | JAV | morsing: k3b do write images |
| 20:02.55 | Leeds | I suggest a spell-checker would be a good start :-) |
| 20:04.21 | BobtheAvenger | heh |
| 20:04.30 | BobtheAvenger | maybe a shotgun? |
| 20:04.37 | axelS | what exactly seems to be the problem with k3b? |
| 20:04.58 | Leeds | possibly |
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| 20:06.50 | axelS | hi pawel |
| 20:06.57 | Leeds | evening pawel |
| 20:06.59 | pawel | hi guys. |
| 20:07.03 | BobtheAvenger | hey |
| 20:07.22 | BobtheAvenger | wanna help me kill course work? |
| 20:07.25 | axelS | god damnit! two hours and these monkeys still haven't managed to fix the problem... grml |
| 20:07.49 | pawel | BobtheAvenger: how could I? |
| 20:08.00 | axelS | try wmd |
| 20:08.14 | axelS | weapons of mass dilusion |
| 20:08.28 | BobtheAvenger | erm |
| 20:08.30 | axelS | nm my spelling |
| 20:08.50 | BobtheAvenger | help me with mine? |
| 20:08.59 | BobtheAvenger | actully no |
| 20:10.16 | pawel | is it possible that PC133 isn't compatible with my laptop which works with 100MHz FSB? |
| 20:10.42 | Leeds | unlikely, I think |
| 20:10.50 | Leeds | BobtheAvenger: what's the subject, anyway? |
| 20:10.51 | axelS | fsb doesn't really have much to do with the ram clockspeed AFAIK |
| 20:10.59 | pawel | I have been using PC133 even with desktops which were running 66MHz MHz. |
| 20:11.08 | pawel | I know. |
| 20:11.22 | pawel | but seems it doesn't work. |
| 20:11.26 | BobtheAvenger | english |
| 20:11.55 | pawel | I have got PC100 memory and it works properly. |
| 20:12.01 | Leeds | BobtheAvenger: anything more specific? :-) |
| 20:12.28 | axelS | pawel: just make sure you don't mix pc100 with pc133 |
| 20:12.29 | pawel | when I put PC133 memory linux gets frozen when lilo loads kernel into memory and memtest86 finds errors. |
| 20:13.23 | axelS | what kinda errors? |
| 20:13.30 | pawel | axelS: oh, good point. I have forgotten. |
| 20:14.06 | BobtheAvenger | Leeds:Compare the ways in which the 2 film openings present their characters and the themes, and set up the basis for the story of the whole film. |
| 20:14.13 | pawel | axelS: lots, but it looks like you gave me a hint. |
| 20:14.21 | axelS | ;-) |
| 20:14.26 | morsing | Oh no, here comes a SunOS question: IF the command 'ls *' fails because the environment stack(?) isn't large enough what can you do? Does it require a kernel rebuild? |
| 20:14.39 | Leeds | BobtheAvenger: sounds like fun |
| 20:14.39 | pawel | axelS: there is 64MB of memory already onboard. |
| 20:14.47 | BobtheAvenger | anyway i found my notes on it now |
| 20:14.52 | pawel | axelS: so I presume it must PC100. |
| 20:15.31 | pawel | axelS: works with other PC100 stuff, but doesn't with that new PC133 memory. |
| 20:15.45 | pawel | this make sense to me. |
| 20:15.48 | axelS | pawel: i suggest you take one chip out, try - if ok, check for its clockspeed. then try other one on its own. check clockspeed :-) |
| 20:16.47 | pawel | axelS: I can't take 64MB from motherboard. all what I've got is one expension slot. |
| 20:17.17 | pawel | axelS: my laptop has come with 64MB on board and 128 PC100 in that slot. |
| 20:17.20 | axelS | is the 64MB build-in to the mb? |
| 20:17.22 | axelS | ahhh |
| 20:17.37 | pawel | yeah. it's onboard. |
| 20:17.39 | Leeds | morsing: do you mean Solaris? |
| 20:17.43 | axelS | well, in that case... try a pc100 chip. by my experience pc100 and 133 don't mix |
| 20:18.00 | Leeds | morsing: I've never used a pre-Solaris SunOS - SunOS really isn't a current name... |
| 20:19.21 | pawel | to be honest, I have done this ever. but have been using different chips PC66, PC100, PC133 on differnt FSB and mbs. but never mixed. |
| 20:19.27 | morsing | Leeds: Either |
| 20:19.40 | pawel | s/"I have done"/"I haven't done"/ |
| 20:19.43 | pawel | oh dear. |
| 20:19.46 | pawel | ;) |
| 20:19.47 | axelS | sorry folks, gotta shoot. cu laters |
| 20:20.06 | pawel | axelS: take care and see you. thanks for that hint. |
| 20:20.14 | axelS | np, gl |
| 20:20.28 | Leeds | morsing: what platform are you talking about? is this a real problem or an abstract thing? I've never come across a problem like it |
| 20:20.48 | pawel | well. I'm happy to know that memory isn't broken. |
| 20:21.10 | pawel | Leeds: how are you doing? |
| 20:21.30 | pawel | sucks, I need new laptop anyway. |
| 20:21.44 | Leeds | pawel: not bad... you? |
| 20:22.44 | morsing | Leeds: A very real problem that happened at work today. A script on AIX failed and the developer who a Solaris expert told me that you can change that size. I have since found out that you can dynamically change it in AIX and was wondering why he would say that. |
| 20:22.53 | morsing | s/can/can't/ |
| 20:22.59 | pawel | Leeds: memory doesn't work and some problems with external DVD rewriter, but yeah I'm cool. |
| 20:23.06 | pawel | :) |
| 20:23.27 | Leeds | morsing: have you ever seen it happen on Solaris? |
| 20:23.33 | morsing | Leeds: No |
| 20:23.40 | morsing | I don't work on Solaris |
| 20:23.45 | Leeds | then I call it abstract :-) |
| 20:23.49 | pawel | I need to cut up on number of packages in my system. |
| 20:24.02 | Leeds | pawel: you mean cut down |
| 20:24.16 | pawel | oh. yes. |
| 20:24.17 | pawel | ;) |
| 20:24.54 | Leeds | morsing: anyway, I have no idea... I'm only an expert in a very small part of Solaris... |
| 20:25.35 | pawel | [pawel@mobile1-1 pawel]$ rpm -qa |wc -l |
| 20:25.35 | pawel | 2279 |
| 20:25.39 | pawel | argh. |
| 20:25.54 | pawel | isn't too much? |
| 20:26.19 | pawel | 99% / |
| 20:26.19 | Leeds | 0 for me |
| 20:26.30 | pawel | 100% /home |
| 20:26.34 | morsing | Okay, thanks anyway Leeds. Bed time. G'night all |
| 20:26.35 | Leeds | rpms, that is |
| 20:26.42 | Leeds | morsing: g'night |
| 20:26.49 | pawel | need to do something about it. |
| 20:27.05 | pawel | 9/11 on channel 4 today. |
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| 21:02.41 | BobtheAvenger | hey |
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| 21:31.09 | BobtheAvenger | hey |
| 21:31.25 | JAV | re-hey |
| 21:31.47 | BobtheAvenger | how are you JAV? |
| 21:32.44 | JAV | fine, thanks :D |
| 21:32.48 | JAV | and you? |
| 21:32.52 | BobtheAvenger | good |