| 01:09.51 | JAV | http://www.cigarro.ca/comics/cc244.gif |
| 01:13.41 | Leeds | so I decided to be lazy... instead of reinstalling the machine, I decided to upgrade my gcc... |
| 01:13.51 | Leeds | which means I have to upgrade my make... and my binutils... |
| 01:15.04 | Leeds | and now I'm wondering how likely I am to destroy my system by randomly upgrading binutils... |
| 01:16.15 | Leeds | on the other hand, how sane is it to try to install a different version of binutils in a different place... |
| 01:22.20 | JAV | apt-get install.... O:) |
| 01:23.31 | Leeds | wget ; tar ; configure ; make ; sudo make install :-) |
| 01:23.51 | Leeds | if I die now it means I killed my system... |
| 01:24.36 | Leeds | guess I survived that |
| 01:25.26 | JAV | probabilities of break something are high with such things |
| 01:25.56 | Leeds | indeed, but that's the fun of it! :-) |
| 01:26.09 | highbury | binutils. is normally safe to update |
| 01:27.14 | Leeds | the only thing I'm really scared to update live is libc |
| 01:33.19 | Leeds | JAV: I used the beta last week and it worked, although I had a nasty echo and delay |
| 01:34.46 | JAV | it looks like messenger :) |
| 01:35.00 | JAV | I've never used it |
| 01:35.15 | Leeds | looks like a typical ugly qt app to me :-) |
| 01:35.23 | JAV | indeed |
| 01:36.40 | JAV | tomorrow (near future) I'll try to use my bluetooth hands-free |
| 01:37.54 | Leeds | I was talking to my sister this evening (on a normal phone!) and she asked me what I thought of it... I was quite impressed - impressed that she's been using it to talk to friends abroad, and impressed that they'd made enough of an impact and made it easy enough for her to find out and use it |
| 01:38.57 | JAV | I've heard about it from non-tech people, yes |
| 01:48.42 | JAV | and the question is... is it free between computers? |
| 01:48.56 | Leeds | yes |
| 01:49.44 | JAV | great |
| 01:53.03 | Leeds | okay, installing gcc |
| 01:55.36 | Leeds | now to try building 2.6.10 with the new gcc |
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| 01:56.34 | Leeds | morning again mikejw |
| 01:56.47 | mikejw | hi Leeds =D |
| 01:56.58 | mikejw | I've decided to switch to plan B |
| 01:57.04 | Leeds | being? |
| 01:57.05 | mikejw | use Slackware :) |
| 01:57.12 | Leeds | as opposed to? |
| 01:57.16 | mikejw | OpenBSD |
| 01:57.21 | Leeds | ah |
| 01:57.28 | mikejw | until I get a proper modem |
| 01:57.35 | Leeds | ah! |
| 01:57.39 | mikejw | :) |
| 01:57.52 | mikejw | the really silly thing... |
| 01:58.19 | mikejw | is that the new *dedicated* router is more noisy than my workstation PC :S |
| 01:58.31 | Leeds | hmm |
| 01:59.19 | mikejw | at least I'll feel more comfortable leaving it in the hands of my flatmates |
| 01:59.37 | Leeds | you let your flatmates handle your box? |
| 02:00.05 | mikejw | well they're going to need access at some point or another.. |
| 02:00.18 | Leeds | why? |
| 02:01.09 | mikejw | well the main factor is that we have a "pay-as-you-go" electicity meter |
| 02:02.07 | mikejw | if I'm not here when the power dies the machine will need to boot into it's routing functions "on demmand" =] |
| 02:02.38 | Leeds | I couldn't imagine living in a place where the electricity would cut off... |
| 02:02.50 | mikejw | yeah it's quite weired |
| 02:04.20 | mikejw | I had never experimented with networking much until I moved here so it's all good =] |
| 02:04.37 | mikejw | Local Area Networking that is =D |
| 02:05.19 | JAV | bedtime. Good night! |
| 02:05.27 | Leeds | JAV: g'night |
| 02:05.29 | mikejw | JAV: night =] |
| 02:06.03 | mikejw | Leeds: I finally have a naming system now |
| 02:06.15 | mikejw | characters from neverending story :) |
| 02:06.18 | Leeds | ah! |
| 02:06.34 | Leeds | so is your server childlike? |
| 02:06.54 | mikejw | how do you mean? |
| 02:07.22 | mikejw | because it's a kids film? |
| 02:07.32 | Leeds | the empress... |
| 02:07.41 | mikejw | ahh :) |
| 02:08.13 | Leeds | or is it B-thingy complicated-and-unusual-name? |
| 02:08.26 | mikejw | it's one of my faverate films which I saw when I was pretty young and impressionable |
| 02:08.48 | Leeds | sure, why not... but the book was better :-) |
| 02:08.58 | mikejw | oh right =] |
| 02:09.24 | mikejw | I guess fantasy style is quite fitting as well |
| 02:11.52 | Leeds | heh |
| 02:14.29 | mikejw | do you think it would be fairly possible to make internal SSH reachable but not from outside? |
| 02:15.34 | Leeds | extremely, assuming you've got multiple network interfaces |
| 02:15.48 | Leeds | you just tell ssh which one(s) to run on |
| 02:16.02 | mikejw | ah =] |
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| 02:20.45 | Leeds | right, time to try the new kernel... this could take a while... |
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| 03:13.27 | Leeds | everyone's asleep, I assume :-) |
| 04:03.38 | gregj | nope |
| 04:03.42 | gregj | wrong asumption |
| 04:04.33 | Leeds | ah |
| 04:05.20 | gregj | ;] |
| 04:29.20 | Leeds | I should really get some sleep... |
| 04:33.05 | gregj | ;] |
| 04:33.50 | Leeds | I've been getting a dvb card running |
| 04:34.20 | Leeds | which meant upgrading my kernel... which meant upgrading my gcc... my binutils... a bunch of other bits... |
| 04:34.26 | Leeds | upgrading to lvm2... |
| 04:34.27 | Leeds | and so on |
| 04:34.38 | Leeds | but it's vaguely working now, so I can go to bed :-) |
| 04:35.57 | gregj | ;] |
| 04:36.24 | gregj | I can't take that x.org building, cos mesa is trying to compile sparc32 assembler files, instead of sparc64 or generic C ones |
| 04:36.35 | gregj | now I have to find where does it take such stuppid decision |
| 04:39.19 | Leeds | well, I've got the drivers working enough to be able to tune the card and get a video/audio stream out of it - everything else is just details :-) |
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| 08:51.54 | morsing | Chowie is leaving :-( |
| 09:02.48 | Leeds | morsing: ? |
| 09:06.08 | morsing | One of my *good* colleagues |
| 09:10.27 | Leeds | ah |
| 09:56.48 | Leeds | zzzz |
| 09:57.32 | Cope | morning |
| 09:57.45 | Leeds | zzzz |
| 09:58.36 | Leeds | playing with a tv card until 0500 does not make for a productive morning |
| 10:00.56 | Cope | do you have company? |
| 10:01.06 | Leeds | unfortunately not |
| 10:04.54 | Leeds | but it is warm, dark and soft... :-) |
| 10:10.03 | wethrin | 'ello |
| 10:10.15 | Leeds | morning wethrin |
| 10:10.21 | morsing | morning |
| 10:13.24 | wethrin | Well, Jacques Brel replied straight away |
| 10:15.04 | Leeds | fuckers are hammering again - this may affect my 'stay in bed all day' plan |
| 10:19.29 | wethrin | Grr |
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| 10:27.33 | Cope | what are the hammering? |
| 10:27.40 | Cope | hi harkness |
| 10:28.00 | Leeds | the hammering are in the walls |
| 10:28.08 | highbury | # I hear them knocking but they can't come in |
| 10:28.15 | harkness | Hello Cope. |
| 10:28.29 | Leeds | actually, I think they're drilling quietly right now |
| 10:28.57 | harkness | Looks like a fun morning here. I am trying to track down mce errors. I thought it was memory, but memtest86+ thinks it is okay. |
| 10:30.20 | highbury | mce? |
| 10:33.01 | Leeds | says media centre edition - i.e. the version of windows made for set-top boxes - to me, but I have been spending a lot of time reading and talking about tv-recording type things recently |
| 10:34.05 | harkness | mce == machine check exception - serious hardware errors, where it just waves a white flag and says I give up - often followed by a reboot or halt. |
| 10:36.35 | morsing | http://www.midlandcomputers.co.uk/default.asp?area=prodview&prodid=3695# |
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| 10:53.02 | Leeds | morning SlayerXP |
| 10:53.13 | SlayerXP | lo |
| 11:00.26 | Leeds | suppose I probably should get out of bed... |
| 11:01.51 | SlayerXP | why's that? |
| 11:02.06 | Leeds | convention |
| 11:05.19 | wethrin | You're going to a convention? |
| 11:06.02 | Leeds | social convention says that spending the day in bed is bd |
| 11:07.32 | wethrin | Since when were you one for social conventions? |
| 11:07.39 | Leeds | true |
| 11:13.46 | morsing | Mmm... bed |
| 11:13.53 | wethrin | Beer in bed |
| 11:14.40 | morsing | Session established with server TSMSERVER: AIX-RS/6000 |
| 11:14.44 | morsing | Milk |
| 11:15.06 | morsing | Anyone run Linux on a Sparc? |
| 11:15.43 | morsing | No? |
| 11:16.30 | Leeds | strangely, no |
| 11:16.36 | wethrin | Yes |
| 11:16.41 | wethrin | A long time ago |
| 11:17.51 | morsing | Which distro? |
| 11:18.17 | wethrin | RedHat |
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| 11:23.52 | SlayerXP | I did one |
| 11:23.53 | SlayerXP | once |
| 11:24.37 | SlayerXP | then I realised that doorstops were equally efficient without power |
| 11:24.45 | cup | morning |
| 11:25.48 | cup | using gnome, is there a nice way to switch users without going command line startx? Some sort of app. |
| 11:26.38 | Leeds | I doubt it - only gdm would be able to do that |
| 11:26.47 | morsing | Yes, start - then New session |
| 11:26.58 | Leeds | really? |
| 11:27.03 | morsing | Well, start as in the thingy in the cornert |
| 11:27.05 | SlayerXP | http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/2003/12/msg00072.html |
| 11:27.17 | SlayerXP | apparently there's some gnome screensaver app that does that |
| 11:28.13 | cup | cheers, I'll take a look |
| 11:28.21 | Leeds | wahay, we got spammed again |
| 11:28.49 | wethrin | "we"? |
| 11:29.02 | Leeds | gllug wiki |
| 11:29.02 | SlayerXP | the royal we |
| 11:29.30 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 11:30.06 | SlayerXP | question: is there enough information stored in the wiki to actual make it worthwhile maintinaing? |
| 11:30.25 | wethrin | Maybe if you contributed some.... :) |
| 11:30.29 | SlayerXP | the Recent Changes page suggests not, tbh |
| 11:30.29 | Leeds | not really |
| 11:31.29 | SlayerXP | then don't bother with it. |
| 11:31.52 | SlayerXP | use flat files and perhaps svn so you have some kind of version control |
| 11:31.58 | Leeds | if we took that view, we might as well just shut down the whole gllug |
| 11:32.07 | SlayerXP | really? |
| 11:32.09 | wethrin | Why? |
| 11:32.15 | wethrin | The mailing list is alive and well, at least |
| 11:32.19 | SlayerXP | I hadn't noticed porn spammers anywhere else |
| 11:32.55 | morsing | Leeds: Why do you say that? |
| 11:34.26 | Leeds | well, the meetings aren't great, there's a small clique on IRC, nothing on the wiki, and the mailing list is particularly generic - almost never london-specific, and often not linux-specific |
| 11:34.45 | wethrin | It's a social thing |
| 11:34.53 | Leeds | then just do lonix |
| 11:35.19 | SlayerXP | Leeds: having porn spam on the web site in unlikely to improve any of those |
| 11:35.24 | SlayerXP | is |
| 11:35.29 | Leeds | SlayerXP: want to come to the next meeting and spread your enormous knownledge of spam? |
| 11:35.42 | wethrin | Won't he be in .no by then? |
| 11:35.47 | SlayerXP | beats me |
| 11:36.17 | SlayerXP | though our midlertidig personnummers have allegedly come through |
| 11:36.28 | wethrin | With the right number of digits? |
| 11:36.34 | wethrin | So you are a number now? |
| 11:37.04 | Leeds | SlayerXP: so there was spam there for a couple of hours - I'm cleaning it... |
| 11:37.58 | SlayerXP | wethrin: it would seem so |
| 11:38.11 | SlayerXP | Leeds: with static files, you wouldn't have to |
| 11:38.14 | wethrin | So much for being a free man |
| 11:38.19 | Leeds | then it wouldn't be a wiki |
| 11:38.36 | SlayerXP | Leeds: you catch on quickly these days :) |
| 11:38.51 | Leeds | we already have a website - a wiki is something different |
| 11:39.01 | Leeds | not that there seems to be any demand for it |
| 11:39.08 | SlayerXP | make the svn repo publically readable, then anyone wishing to submit content can simply submit a patch |
| 11:40.00 | Leeds | then it wouldn't be a wiki |
| 12:01.46 | wethrin | Thanks |
| 12:02.03 | Leeds | Cope: it burns? that would mean it was useful for something, surely? |
| 12:05.02 | Cope | Basically I have a website with an 'email this article to a friend' bit |
| 12:05.21 | Cope | which brings up a box - fill in who you are, and who wants it, plus a comment, if you wish. |
| 12:05.42 | Cope | trying to decide how to (if I can) prevent possible abuse of this mechanism. |
| 12:05.56 | Cope | NB redesigning the form etc isn't an option. |
| 12:06.37 | wethrin | Require a login to the article itself :) |
| 12:07.50 | Cope | good idea; but I don't run the website itself, only the server on which it runs. |
| 12:15.28 | wethrin | Oh? |
| 12:16.06 | Cope | The problem was resource-based, and was most likely caused by the fact the cluster had not been failed over in 3 months, and the node had not been rebooted in 6 months. |
| 12:16.18 | Cope | what a good advert for windows HA solutions. |
| 12:16.24 | wethrin | Oh yes. Silly people |
| 12:16.29 | Leeds | argh |
| 12:24.28 | Cope | to be fair I am sure its not actually windows that is the problem; far more likely an application with a memory leak that would be fixed by a reboot, but would be better fixed by establishing what the memory leak is! |
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| 12:26.21 | Leeds | ibot change 50 cad to gbp |
| 12:26.29 | mikejw | hey guys |
| 12:26.40 | Leeds | afternoon |
| 12:35.24 | wethrin | Cope: Yes, but establishing memory leaks is more difficult; even more so is getting them fixed |
| 12:57.52 | Cope | indeed |
| 13:04.11 | Cope | I've never done that before. |
| 13:05.06 | Cope | tools available: rhel 2.1 or 3.0 |
| 13:05.15 | Leeds | argh |
| 13:05.40 | Cope | i'm sure iptables is the same wherever! |
| 13:06.38 | Leeds | I'd go for the less obselete option, by default |
| 13:10.18 | Leeds | 2.1 must be pretty damn close to eol by now surely? |
| 13:13.34 | Cope | another year I think |
| 13:14.29 | Leeds | impressive |
| 13:28.35 | cup | try using fwbuilder tell me if it is any good |
| 13:30.18 | SlayerXP | redhat and all its works are obsolete |
| 13:49.40 | harkness | both got the grammar slightly topsy turvey :-) |
| 13:50.10 | Leeds | harkness: I know that feeling very well indeed |
| 13:51.07 | Leeds | Cope: I hear they like you too |
| 13:51.26 | George | I hate these fucking idiots at school who try to "fix" the printer and end up buggering it up totally |
| 13:51.44 | Leeds | George: I hear they hate you too |
| 13:51.50 | harkness | There are jobs at Red Hat in consulting and sales. |
| 13:52.03 | Cope | aren't they the same? |
| 13:53.28 | harkness | LOL @ Cope. Yes and no. I am currently on loan to one the the large merchant banks in the city. Yes there is some sales involved, but mostly steering a sailing ship, with no anchor and no rudder in high winds. Mostly fun and some times very scary. |
| 13:54.58 | George | Leeds: they break the damn plastic off when it doesn't work. stupid fucking bastards. |
| 13:55.14 | Cope | Hello George |
| 13:55.21 | George | hi Cope |
| 13:55.29 | *** part/#gllug harkness (~Zander@mobileweb03.london.02.net) |
| 13:55.34 | Cope | almost a month without alcohol. |
| 13:55.34 | George | I hate vandals |
| 13:55.39 | George | they all should be thrown in prison. |
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| 13:56.03 | SlayerXP | http://www.union.ic.ac.uk/medic/fitness/tracks/Nothing%20At%20All.mp3 |
| 13:56.04 | Cope | no - that's too expensive; get them to do really shit manual labour. |
| 13:56.05 | Leeds | George, one of life's natural Tories :-) |
| 13:56.29 | George | Leeds: I'm fed up of having to keep fixing the printer because they keep fucking it up |
| 13:56.42 | George | Cope: we should reintroduce the death penalty. |
| 13:57.07 | Cope | Are you fed up of incompetent kids breaking the printer? |
| 13:57.12 | George | you mean this isn't middle engliish?!?! |
| 13:57.18 | Cope | Don't vote labour - they don't care! |
| 13:57.18 | George | er. england. |
| 13:57.28 | George | Cope: they're imbeciles. |
| 13:57.45 | George | Cope: (the kids that is, dunno and don't care for politics) |
| 13:57.59 | Leeds | forget the conservatives - George, ever considered joining Veritas? |
| 13:58.04 | George | so long as the govt doesn't stop my internet connection or start content filtering on me, I don't care |
| 13:58.46 | George | if the tories want to win they should just say "we'll legalise file sharing" |
| 13:58.56 | Cope | yeah - vote kilroy silk, and forget your volume management problems. |
| 13:59.24 | Leeds | ironically, the one thing he's firmly against is clustering... |
| 13:59.32 | George | clustering of? |
| 13:59.51 | Leeds | multiple entities coming together to form one, more powerful and resilient than the sum of the parts |
| 14:00.27 | George | oh |
| 14:00.34 | George | my hard disks should be coming tomorrow :) |
| 14:00.55 | Cope | do you even stop buying hardware? |
| 14:01.20 | George | Cope: after my 200GB just died I've become paranoid and I'm doing a RAID-5 |
| 14:01.28 | SlayerXP | try doing backups instead |
| 14:01.41 | Cope | try buying a raid controller. |
| 14:01.49 | George | no, they're too expensive. |
| 14:02.01 | Cope | and your data isn't valuable? |
| 14:02.13 | George | it is. |
| 14:02.19 | George | but software raid 5 does the job too |
| 14:02.22 | George | and I have no money. |
| 14:05.16 | Cope | how much are your disks and monitors? |
| 14:05.48 | SlayerXP | a decent raid controller will set you back about 200ukp |
| 14:06.30 | JAV | hi |
| 14:06.51 | Leeds | hi |
| 14:06.56 | JAV | SlayerXP: nice song :D |
| 14:08.47 | George | Cope: er, a lot |
| 14:09.50 | SlayerXP | budget for kit: 9675280745 budget allocated to backup: 0 |
| 14:11.39 | *** part/#gllug cup (~alex@netvoya-adsl.demon.co.uk) |
| 14:19.48 | JAV | funny news today |
| 14:20.08 | JAV | http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2005/02/02/comunicacion/1107349377.html |
| 14:20.22 | JAV | (yes, I know) |
| 14:22.43 | JAV | several news agencies send that photo of a hostage (a madelman) |
| 14:48.56 | wethrin | 'ello |
| 14:51.41 | morsing | 2005-02-02 14:23:09 [14904] - Performing security check Ref. 21. |
| 15:06.25 | Cope | Feb 2 13:37:47 secret.machine.uk inetd[171]: [ID 317013 daemon.notice] kshell[6994] from 10.109.7.247 60621 |
| 15:06.50 | Cope | anyone else care to post utterly meaningless noise into the channel? |
| 15:07.07 | wethrin | "£($"£()RU"((£TU()UFWJFWIFJWEHF |
| 15:07.11 | Cope | oooh, nice |
| 15:07.17 | Cope | wethrin is winning |
| 15:07.36 | morsing | Cope: slayerXP is usually very good at it! |
| 15:07.41 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.42 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.17 | Cope | morsing: so are you trying to emulate SlayerXP? Do you aspire to be like him? |
| 15:11.23 | Cope | ...tea |
| 15:11.56 | wethrin | TEA! |
| 15:17.00 | SlayerXP | I'm hurt. |
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| 15:21.29 | morsing | SlayerXP: Why are you hurt that I want to be you? |
| 15:22.15 | SlayerXP | not that, more the accusation of postin utterly meaningless noise into the channel |
| 15:22.24 | SlayerXP | it's not my fault some people don't know perl |
| 15:22.26 | Cope | I don't think SlayerXP posts rubbish - I think he posts interesting and amusing things. |
| 15:22.34 | Cope | usually |
| 15:22.42 | wethrin | And amusing #debian quotes |
| 15:22.45 | Cope | yes |
| 15:22.49 | Cope | 3 cheers for SlayerXP |
| 15:22.59 | wethrin | But he is a Debian zealot :) |
| 15:23.04 | Cope | indeed |
| 15:23.12 | wethrin | So maybe only 2 cheers :) |
| 15:25.08 | Cope | SlayerXP: if I want to do a debian net install, but want base system from floppies (ie no cdrom) do I really need all 6 images in the images directory? Seems a lot when redhat only uses 2, openbsd 1. |
| 15:25.34 | SlayerXP | Cope: do you have another unix box round? |
| 15:25.41 | Cope | nod |
| 15:25.44 | SlayerXP | use PXE |
| 15:25.57 | Cope | the nic isn't pxe-able |
| 15:26.00 | wethrin | Use Slackware and two floppies |
| 15:26.02 | Cope | its an old 3c509 |
| 15:26.14 | wethrin | You can burn a bootrom |
| 15:26.24 | SlayerXP | Cope: you can get software PXE |
| 15:26.32 | SlayerXP | boots off a floppy |
| 15:27.07 | Cope | interesting |
| 15:28.38 | wethrin | Yay morsing! |
| 15:29.11 | SlayerXP | Cope: grub certainly has a PXE option |
| 15:31.27 | morsing | Mmm... milk |
| 15:34.32 | Cope | SlayerXP: yeah I've read about pxe grub |
| 15:34.56 | SlayerXP | pxe net installs are lovely |
| 15:34.58 | Cope | 3 cheers for AIX |
| 15:35.05 | Cope | SlayerXP: yeah I've done 1 or 2 |
| 15:35.09 | SlayerXP | especially when you have the install packages cached in your local web cache |
| 15:35.13 | Cope | mmm |
| 15:35.23 | SlayerXP | local web proxy, I mean |
| 15:36.40 | wethrin | Use OpenBSD :) |
| 15:37.33 | SlayerXP | Cope: you bought a brand new sparc? |
| 15:38.20 | morsing | Mmm... AIX |
| 15:41.29 | Cope | wethrin: i know how to do openbsd |
| 15:41.34 | Cope | that's what I use at home |
| 15:41.42 | wethrin | Fair enough |
| 15:42.34 | SlayerXP | i mock thy choice of wizened operating system |
| 15:42.47 | wethrin | Yes, but you mock anything non-Debian |
| 15:43.02 | SlayerXP | there is that |
| 15:43.23 | wethrin | Any anything non-AMD64/Opteron |
| 15:43.30 | SlayerXP | oh yes |
| 15:44.03 | SlayerXP | don't forget software raid, and people who confuse writing CDs with backups |
| 15:44.19 | Cope | and anything non-perl |
| 15:44.29 | SlayerXP | no, non-perl is fine |
| 15:44.40 | Cope | ok, and mysql |
| 15:45.03 | SlayerXP | that goes without saying |
| 15:45.17 | SlayerXP | ricer errr reiserfs |
| 15:45.33 | Cope | ibot ricer |
| 15:45.59 | Cope | it would be quite easy to model oneself on SlayerXP |
| 15:46.27 | SlayerXP | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ricer |
| 15:49.05 | Cope | i was just looking at that! |
| 15:49.41 | wethrin | ReiserFSv4 apparently is much better |
| 15:49.48 | SlayerXP | yes |
| 15:49.56 | SlayerXP | trashes your data _even faster_ |
| 15:50.07 | SlayerXP | hans reiser is an idiot |
| 15:50.23 | wethrin | Heh |
| 15:50.27 | wethrin | Idiot why? |
| 15:50.43 | SlayerXP | http://groups-beta.google.com/group/linux.kernel/messages/d99187b6cd1c1814,0c30d90d30254cbc,3d689ea608659ef9,5a2cc71bcec5df3d,a3e23a053f67894a,c074430c8b2f00e4,a6f3cbc9026af345,9d5f817545bdef04,6e60453f836d1f8d,6ff34234e83f68a2?thread_id=71b75b3534825328&mode=thread&noheader=1#doc_a3e23a053f67894a |
| 15:51.28 | wethrin | No good for me, sir |
| 15:51.35 | SlayerXP | oh? |
| 15:51.53 | wethrin | Oh. |
| 15:51.55 | SlayerXP | http://tm./6bv |
| 15:51.56 | wethrin | Maybe |
| 15:52.07 | wethrin | tm makes shorter links too? |
| 15:52.31 | SlayerXP | no, they just say "short link" at the top to lull you into a false sense of hope |
| 15:52.46 | wethrin | Pity |
| 15:53.41 | JAV | http://www.linuca.org/link/ |
| 15:53.41 | SlayerXP | http://tm./7bv |
| 15:53.44 | SlayerXP | better |
| 15:54.26 | JAV | tm is shorter, anyway :) |
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| 16:15.29 | Leeds | good! |
| 16:15.39 | mz2 | afternoon |
| 16:15.49 | Cope | early evening |
| 16:16.04 | Leeds | getting to lunchtime |
| 16:17.39 | mz2 | is there a way in openoffice to somehow automatically move cells away (like downwards for example) when i paste something onto them |
| 16:18.37 | mz2 | i've got about 30 spreadsheet files, from which i have to paste in various bits into this single file and it's reeeally annoying to always go through and move stuff from my way (i can't use the automated report making thingie in this case) |
| 16:32.08 | morsing | milk |
| 16:32.24 | SlayerCE | Mmm... Debian |
| 16:33.46 | Leeds | zzzz |
| 16:37.25 | SlayerNT | Mmmmm... Debian |
| 16:39.19 | SlayerCE | Mmm... Unixware |
| 16:41.34 | Leeds | hey, leave Unixware out of this |
| 16:43.24 | SlayerCE | Mmm... Xenix |
| 16:43.45 | SlayerCE | ibot xenix |
| 16:43.47 | ibot | methinks xenix is NOT that bad.. not that it's that good. or a Unix derivate by M$ aborted to focus on NT. MS sold it to SCO who made SCO Xenix which became SCO Unix |
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| 16:54.59 | SlayerNT | Could someone please go to www.afdb.org, find an article, and try to mail it to a friend / themselves? |
| 17:03.59 | Leeds | SlayerNT: what do you want to know about it? |
| 17:04.56 | Leeds | it seems to have worked, although the layout of the mail is a bit funky |
| 17:14.04 | SlayerNT | Leeds: just does it work; which it seems to have done. |
| 17:14.22 | SlayerNT | layout isn't my concern - if the email got there, I did my job. |
| 17:14.38 | Leeds | it worked... and if I ever get spam from that little test I'm coming after you :-) |
| 17:15.00 | SlayerNT | You need a one box spam and anti-virus solution. |
| 17:15.13 | Leeds | ooh, it's uncanny |
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| 17:26.10 | mz2 | damned it, gnome-panel did that annoying crash-restart-crash-restart-crash-restart-... again to me |
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| 18:50.31 | pawel | hi guys. |
| 18:50.43 | Leeds | hi |
| 18:50.52 | pawel | how is it going? |
| 18:51.46 | Leeds | not bad |
| 18:51.48 | Leeds | you? |
| 18:52.08 | pawel | could be better. |
| 18:52.29 | Leeds | problem? |
| 18:53.35 | pawel | yeah, few issues. hate those moments when you've got stuck, affects you, but there is nothing what you can do about it. |
| 18:54.21 | pawel | you just have to trust someone, wait and see what is going to happen. |
| 18:57.17 | pawel | I need a holiday. |
| 18:57.30 | Leeds | sounds like you've got stuff on your mind... |
| 18:59.12 | pawel | yeah. lots of it. but without it I can't make any progress. |
| 19:00.17 | pawel | sometimes I would like to have a clone of myself. |
| 19:01.37 | pawel | but it would be a perfect clone, without those bits on his mind that response under stress and love. |
| 19:07.04 | pawel | anyway, shower time. |
| 19:07.11 | pawel | cu later. |
| 19:07.27 | Leeds | seeya |
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| 19:23.54 | Leeds | well, my dvb seems to be working sanely |
| 19:25.05 | Leeds | so that makes me happy |
| 19:39.27 | Leeds | hah, poor man's conference calling - two phones on speakerphone held next to each other :-) |
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| 20:04.32 | mikejw | hey all |
| 20:05.03 | Leeds | evening, and goodby |
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| 21:15.28 | morsing | Hi SlayerNT |
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| 22:01.25 | rdancer | ping6 -n rdancer.boulay.be # 8-)) reverse records are not set yet |
| 22:03.55 | stephanb | ??? |
| 22:11.31 | JAV | hi |
| 22:16.29 | JAV | Leeds: what DVB card do you have? |
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| 22:27.27 | rdancer|IPv6 | here we go 8-))) |
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| 23:30.22 | mozrat | is that SlayerNT chap around? |
| 23:30.48 | mozrat | or anyone else that is a bit handy with mail servers... specifically postfix and SASL |
| 23:30.53 | mozrat | I have it sooo close to working |
| 23:47.35 | pawel | :-S |
| 23:53.38 | rdancer|IPv6 | mozrat: (1) #postfix; (2) just ask... |
| 23:53.53 | pawel | </rdancer> |
| 23:54.03 | mozrat | rdancer: (1) Did (2) Awaiting response :D |
| 23:54.20 | mozrat | just been playing with the files in /var/spool/postfix |
| 23:54.37 | mozrat | I think we're having trouble connecting to the saslauthd from chroot |
| 23:55.18 | Tarragon | I am having real trouble creating a directory. mkdosfs /dev/sda1 mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/wibble cd /mnt/wibble ls . .. mkdir ABC ls . .. abc Why am I losing case sensitivity? |
| 23:56.07 | stephen | FAT isn't case sensitive, is it? |
| 23:58.19 | Tarragon | Hurrah !! Thank you |
| 23:59.53 | rdancer|IPv6 | eh |
