| 00:01.48 | pawel | Day changed to 03 Feb 2005 |
| 00:01.56 | pawel | ooops. |
| 00:02.04 | pawel | I'm running late. |
| 00:03.39 | pawel | oh, yeah. I just recorded my first DVD through USB. :) |
| 00:05.20 | Jang0 | i hope that was usb2... :/ |
| 00:05.26 | pawel | no. :) |
| 00:05.31 | pawel | old USB 1.1. :) |
| 00:05.37 | Jang0 | ouch |
| 00:06.49 | pawel | haven't got USB 2 in my laptop, I'm considering a PCMCIA adaptor, but don't know how this could work with Linux. |
| 00:06.57 | pawel | haven't tried it. |
| 00:07.35 | pawel | but at this point I've got a very nice storage device. :) |
| 00:08.15 | pawel | I just fitted all my movies from the hard drive on a single disc. :) |
| 00:08.54 | Jang0 | pcmcia should be fine with linux |
| 00:09.15 | Jang0 | i use my wlan card through pcmcia |
| 00:09.21 | Jang0 | (one of them) |
| 00:10.08 | pawel | oh, I have been using a lot of pcmcia stuff under linux, wifi, modems, scsi etc, but never that latest USB2 adaptors. |
| 00:10.54 | pawel | I want to get serial ata on pcmcia now. :) |
| 00:12.22 | Jang0 | heh |
| 00:12.25 | Jang0 | good luck |
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| 00:14.34 | pawel | Jang0: do you play openttd? |
| 00:14.39 | Jang0 | ye |
| 00:15.01 | Jang0 | you like it? |
| 00:15.20 | rhowe | pawel: Heya - how're things? |
| 00:15.31 | pawel | Jang0: haven't tried it. what requirements does it have? |
| 00:15.36 | Jang0 | pretty low |
| 00:15.51 | Jang0 | although i'm just about to try a mega map with 3k towns - that'll require more :) |
| 00:16.49 | pawel | rhowe: not bad. still haven't got a flat. got my business started, some progress with the lady. acually lots of things going on. |
| 00:17.31 | pawel | rhowe: bit busy, tired and headaches. |
| 00:17.45 | pawel | rhowe: yourself? |
| 00:17.59 | pawel | Jang0: what do you mean by that? |
| 00:18.03 | rhowe | pawel: not too bad - managed to get an all-expenses-paid trip to Singapore :) |
| 00:18.13 | rhowe | pawel: bit busy, tired and headaches :) |
| 00:18.24 | pawel | Jang0: I've got P3 500MHz with 192MB of RAM, how about that? |
| 00:18.35 | Jang0 | that'll be fine for standard openttd |
| 00:18.51 | Jang0 | but in the last few days new patches have been going into the latest svn source |
| 00:19.10 | Jang0 | rather than map size being limited to 256x256, you can now have 4096x4096 |
| 00:19.14 | Jang0 | and they are HUGE |
| 00:19.23 | pawel | rhowe: cool. how about the flat? have you found some? |
| 00:19.45 | rhowe | pawel: I'm now a lodger in SE London |
| 00:19.52 | pawel | Jang0: I've been playing in that looong time ago. |
| 00:20.04 | pawel | rhowe: SE, it's far away. |
| 00:20.11 | Jang0 | what, bigger maps? |
| 00:20.23 | pawel | Jang0: no. :) TTD. :) |
| 00:20.27 | Jang0 | ah, heh |
| 00:20.29 | Jang0 | yea |
| 00:20.31 | pawel | Jang0: on my old 486. :) |
| 00:20.32 | Jang0 | ttd owns |
| 00:20.34 | rhowe | pawel: Sure, but I've moved my stuff, and it's cheaper to live here and quicker to get to work |
| 00:20.35 | Jang0 | yea, me too |
| 00:20.39 | rhowe | pawel: Plus, there's more space |
| 00:20.49 | pawel | rhowe: how much do you pay? |
| 00:21.05 | Jang0 | openttd > ttd (easily) |
| 00:21.09 | rhowe | pawel: 400 a month, but I charge them 15 a month for |
| 00:21.12 | rhowe | 'net access :) |
| 00:21.37 | pawel | rhowe: oh. so are you sharing then? |
| 00:21.48 | rhowe | pawel: Living with a couple who own the place |
| 00:21.53 | pawel | rhowe: I'm considering a whole flat on my own. |
| 00:21.56 | rhowe | pawel: No proper contract really |
| 00:22.41 | pawel | rhowe: I'll be looking for a person or a couple at the end of March. :) |
| 00:23.30 | pawel | but North of London preferable. |
| 00:23.38 | pawel | Muswell Hill in particular. :) |
| 00:23.47 | rhowe | pawel: heh, I'll probably just be settling in here by then, and I'm none-too-enamoured with the northern line any more :) |
| 00:24.57 | pawel | rhowe: I haven't seen much of South London, know East, West and North to be honest. |
| 00:25.22 | rhowe | pawel: Me neither - I only live here :P |
| 00:25.29 | rhowe | OK, half 12. Definately bedtime |
| 00:25.35 | pawel | I was few times to visit DVLA and to pickup some stuff from eBay and that's it. |
| 00:26.03 | rhowe | pawel: More than enough times :) |
| 00:26.17 | rhowe | So, 'night :) |
| 00:26.54 | pawel | 7:30 I'll be heading to work. |
| 00:27.02 | pawel | rhowe: cu later man. |
| 00:27.20 | pawel | I'm gonna do the same. |
| 00:27.24 | pawel | night guys. |
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| 01:19.12 | Leeds | JAV: in case you're awake, hauppauge nova-t - the new model with connexant chips on it |
| 01:20.36 | JAV | I'm awake |
| 01:20.36 | JAV | :D |
| 01:21.07 | JAV | nova... that's without hardware mpeg |
| 01:21.15 | Leeds | right |
| 01:21.29 | JAV | what about cpu usage? |
| 01:22.31 | Leeds | pulling a ts from it straight to disk is essentially free |
| 01:23.33 | JAV | :? |
| 01:23.35 | Leeds | or I can use mencoder to do divx/mp3 from it directly at about 50% cpu |
| 01:24.23 | JAV | <Leeds> pulling a ts from it straight to disk is essentially free ---> need explanation :D |
| 01:24.48 | Leeds | ah... ts being a transport stream - effectively taking the mpeg stream directly from the air |
| 01:25.08 | Leeds | I have it on a largely headless box - it's for recording, not viewing live |
| 01:25.22 | Leeds | so I'm not interested in direct playback, I'm interesting in streaming to disk |
| 01:27.20 | JAV | so if you use it live there's low cpu usage? |
| 01:27.34 | Leeds | what do you mean by use it live? |
| 01:29.21 | JAV | if you just watch a channel... |
| 01:29.34 | JAV | cpu? |
| 01:29.55 | Leeds | I don't know, becuase I don't have the card in the machine I indend to watch TV on |
| 01:30.15 | Leeds | but the answer is "however much it takes to watch a medium quality MPEG2 stream" |
| 01:31.34 | JAV | I was looking at DVB cards to use it in a server, in order to listen to a radio channel full time |
| 01:32.12 | Leeds | that would be very cheap... |
| 01:32.25 | Leeds | oh, and the card was only ?50 (on a long-ish term sale price) |
| 01:32.50 | JAV | that's why I'm concerned about cpu |
| 01:33.56 | Leeds | okay, hang on |
| 01:33.56 | JAV | 100 euros for Nova VS 300 euros for Nexus (with hard-mpeg) |
| 01:35.00 | JAV | nexus has direct audio output afaik |
| 01:36.54 | JAV | well, bedtime, good night all |
| 01:36.59 | Leeds | hang on a bit |
| 01:40.20 | JAV | hang on --> 3: hold the phone line open :) ok |
| 01:40.51 | Leeds | talk approx 2% of CPU time used (on an Athlon XP 2400+) to stream radio to disk |
| 01:41.19 | Leeds | it's essentially free :-) |
| 01:41.29 | JAV | yes, affordable |
| 01:41.46 | JAV | no problem with the server then |
| 01:41.48 | Leeds | of course, I mean free in machine resources, not money :-0 |
| 01:41.56 | JAV | heh |
| 01:42.20 | JAV | it's better than nexus, at least |
| 01:42.24 | Leeds | it's not a trivial thing to do in terms of setting it up, and it involves drivers from CVS right now, which always makes me a bit unhappy... |
| 01:43.26 | JAV | it looks working with 2.6.10, isn't it? |
| 01:43.36 | JAV | and ... |
| 01:43.49 | JAV | dvbtune |
| 01:43.54 | Leeds | yes, but drivers from CVS still |
| 01:44.03 | Leeds | the drivers in 2.6.10 aren't current |
| 01:46.23 | JAV | you said bt878? |
| 01:46.31 | Leeds | nope |
| 01:46.34 | Leeds | cx88 |
| 01:46.45 | JAV | never heard |
| 01:47.11 | Leeds | it's connexant, the drivers still come from bytesex.org... :-) |
| 01:48.23 | JAV | Hauppauge WinTV :( |
| 01:48.26 | JAV | ugly name |
| 01:48.35 | Leeds | true |
| 01:49.52 | JAV | It's cheaper than I expected, maybe I'll give it a try |
| 01:51.25 | JAV | In an Athlon XP 2400+ with a underloaded mysql + postfix + iptables |
| 01:51.33 | Leeds | heh |
| 01:51.38 | Leeds | how much is it locally? |
| 01:53.09 | JAV | http://www.hauppauge.fr/spain/sp_novsp.htm |
| 01:53.21 | JAV | 111,90 euros, vat inc |
| 01:53.31 | JAV | official price |
| 01:53.50 | JAV | i'll find it cheaper for sure |
| 01:54.06 | JAV | http://www.hauppauge.fr/spain/tarjetas/nova2.jpg |
| 01:55.30 | Leeds | ah, that's a nova-s - very different |
| 01:56.05 | JAV | dvb-s, yes |
| 01:56.14 | Leeds | I'm talking about dvb-t |
| 01:56.38 | JAV | not too much different i hope |
| 01:56.39 | Leeds | no dish needed :-0 |
| 01:57.33 | JAV | http://www.verrire.com/img/antena.jpg |
| 01:58.09 | JAV | I bought two dvb-t ready antennas recently |
| 02:00.10 | JAV | "ready" as in improved gain in dvb-t freq |
| 02:01.01 | Leeds | I'm just using the thing on the roof... |
| 02:01.07 | JAV | heh |
| 02:01.12 | JAV | right |
| 02:02.00 | Leeds | well, I'm in a block of flats, so putting up my own thing would be hard |
| 02:04.25 | JAV | if it works now, perfect |
| 02:04.47 | Leeds | it seems happy |
| 02:07.46 | JAV | jue feb 3 03:07:19 CET 2005 ----> bedtime |
| 02:08.04 | JAV | good night! |
| 02:08.34 | Leeds | g'night :-) |
| 04:07.42 | rdancer | why doesn't this tc(8) script limit the bandwidth?: http://rafb.net/paste/results/z4ipWd50.html |
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| 14:27.59 | Leeds | ibot: welcome back |
| 14:28.01 | ibot | Howdy back | It is good to see you back | back, Sup yo? |
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| 15:02.07 | Cope | to which I replied: umm - you subscribed to the list - feel free to unsubscribe... penis. |
| 15:04.48 | rhowe-UX | ARGH http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=238444 |
| 15:04.53 | rhowe-UX | No f'in wonder it's not working |
| 15:05.50 | Cope | I can see the problem.... |
| 15:09.35 | rhowe-UX | The main problem is that 1) Torsten isn't updating the package for some reason (time constraints, probably) and 2) OpenLDAP is waaay out of date in Debian |
| 15:27.28 | Cope | are you using 'stable' ? |
| 15:42.18 | rhowe-UX | testing |
| 15:42.28 | rhowe-UX | which has the same packages as unstable where OpenLDAP is concerned |
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| 15:56.12 | Cope | so why so out of date? |
| 15:56.16 | Cope | hello harkness |
| 15:56.36 | harkness | Hello Cope. |
| 15:58.53 | Leeds | oops |
| 15:59.29 | rhowe-UX | Cope: Lack of decent maintainership (but still more maintainership than I'm prepared to do) |
| 15:59.37 | Cope | these over-paid consultants..... |
| 15:59.49 | Cope | I see. |
| 16:00.45 | rhowe-UX | OK, rebuilding slapd with ldap and meta backends builtin |
| 16:01.05 | harkness | Cope: was that in reference to me? ;-) Because I am going to expense it. (not sure which is worse - being an overpaid consultant or just expensing it) |
| 16:04.45 | Leeds | just expensing it |
| 16:10.15 | rhowe-UX | Leeds: I noticed something at the back of my Javaserver Faces book btw |
| 16:10.28 | rhowe-UX | "informIT Online Books, powered by Safari" |
| 16:10.45 | rhowe-UX | www.informit.com - it's like Safari, but covering multiple publishers, apparently |
| 16:11.45 | Leeds | rhowe-UX: um, no... it *is* safari... |
| 16:11.54 | Leeds | safari is sold by various people under varios names |
| 16:12.21 | rhowe-UX | Ah, OK |
| 16:12.29 | rhowe-UX | I guess that's PH PTR's name for it then |
| 16:12.46 | Leeds | it's possible they aggregate other content with it, but I don't think so |
| 16:15.52 | rhowe-UX | grr, OpenLDAP is a beast to compile.. takes about as long as the kernel |
| 16:36.00 | Leeds | and... in my third line of typing to a new channel (#dvb) I get bit by the xchat nick completion |
| 16:44.37 | morsing | Cope: Dorey has admitted he worked for Digex. He must have been a very young lad back then. |
| 16:52.54 | wethrin | ayrr |
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| 17:05.52 | pdr | blum |
| 17:06.18 | Leeds | judy? |
| 17:06.29 | wethrin | pdr! |
| 17:09.11 | pdr | dan! |
| 17:09.17 | wethrin | how goes? |
| 17:09.25 | pdr | all good mate, and you? |
| 17:09.30 | wethrin | Not bad |
| 17:09.34 | pdr | Leeds: ? |
| 17:09.36 | wethrin | Spent the afternoon in the wrong cleanroom |
| 17:09.40 | pdr | yay |
| 17:09.52 | Leeds | pdr: judy blum |
| 17:10.02 | Leeds | pdr: FOSDEM? |
| 17:10.05 | pdr | Leeds: ah, i meant it as a reference to blum blum shub |
| 17:10.12 | pdr | Leeds: probably not at this stage |
| 17:10.13 | Leeds | to what? |
| 17:10.23 | pdr | it's an algorithm |
| 17:10.28 | Leeds | okay... |
| 17:10.37 | pdr | :-) |
| 17:13.16 | pdr | wethrin: i've enabled call screening on my phone because of alison |
| 17:13.25 | wethrin | eep |
| 17:13.33 | pdr | indeed |
| 17:13.47 | pdr | well she kept calling at, like, 2am |
| 17:13.55 | wethrin | Horrible time |
| 17:13.57 | pdr | belinda was getting a bit peeved about it |
| 17:14.13 | wethrin | who? |
| 17:14.19 | pdr | btw, how was gllug on saturday? |
| 17:14.28 | pdr | wethrin: the new g/f |
| 17:14.29 | wethrin | I wasn't there |
| 17:14.31 | wethrin | Ahhh |
| 17:14.38 | wethrin | Does she have a sister? :) |
| 17:14.42 | pdr | yep |
| 17:14.50 | wethrin | who is single? |
| 17:14.56 | pdr | yep, but her sister lives in australia |
| 17:15.05 | wethrin | damn |
| 17:15.20 | pdr | wethrin: ring alison and ask her for julienne's number :-) |
| 17:15.22 | Leeds | my sister is in .au now... |
| 17:15.29 | pdr | Leeds: cool, where abouts? |
| 17:15.43 | wethrin | heh |
| 17:16.18 | Leeds | she was in syndey, but she was moving on this week to Byron Bay |
| 17:17.20 | pdr | i met a guy from there the other day actually |
| 17:17.41 | pdr | belinda's flatmate was too shy to approach this guy so i went and told him to go talk to her |
| 17:17.42 | Leeds | I don't even know if it's north or south... |
| 17:17.51 | pdr | about in the middle |
| 17:18.07 | pdr | hippies like the place coz it's the first place that the sun hits on mainland australia |
| 17:18.43 | pdr | and english tourists like the place coz drugs are cheap and kinda ignored by the law, as is lewd behaviour |
| 17:18.59 | morsing | ibot shires |
| 17:19.09 | morsing | ~seen shires |
| 17:19.11 | ibot | i haven't seen 'shires', morsing |
| 17:19.21 | morsing | ~seen Shires |
| 17:19.22 | ibot | morsing: i haven't seen 'shires' |
| 17:19.30 | Leeds | morsing: he(?) left 15 minutes ago |
| 17:19.39 | morsing | Who was he? |
| 17:19.40 | Leeds | but he(?) didn't say anything, so ibot didn't notice, I guess |
| 17:20.44 | pdr | --- [Shires] (~ad@ns0.hairylemon.org) : Andrew Doran |
| 17:26.12 | pdr | Leeds: btw, i'm not suggesting that your sister is into that kind of thing :-) |
| 17:26.25 | Leeds | I don't think she is... could be |
| 17:27.02 | Leeds | other sister is... |
| 17:27.47 | pdr | hehe |
| 17:27.54 | pdr | anyway, gotta go |
| 17:27.56 | pdr | laterz |
| 17:27.59 | wethrin | c'ya |
| 17:28.02 | wethrin | In fact, I'm going too |
| 17:28.03 | wethrin | Bye! |
| 17:28.06 | pdr | bye |
| 17:28.10 | Leeds | seeya |
| 17:29.16 | rhowe | heh, how appropriate |
| 17:29.20 | rhowe | # numResponses: 666 |
| 17:29.26 | rhowe | Burn in hell, LDAP |
| 17:29.35 | wethrin | Heh |
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| 17:35.06 | rhowe | slapd lesson of the day - don't use tabs to indent slapd.conf. It doesn't like it. |
| 17:36.01 | wethrin | Eww |
| 17:36.09 | wethrin | Whitespace is good! |
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| 17:40.35 | enfcpl | hello ! |
| 17:40.36 | rhowe | Anyway, I now have an OpenLDAP server which will fall back to active directory if you're querying for stuff that's only in AD |
| 17:40.41 | rhowe | Now, to see if I can get it to learn that user@ad-domain.org usernames need to be searched for under dc=ad-domain,dc=org |
| 17:40.45 | rhowe | That's something for tomorrow though |
| 17:41.21 | rhowe | I could've saved 2 days of work if OpenLDAP had an XML config. file |
| 17:41.56 | Leeds | evening enfcpl! |
| 17:42.10 | Marios_ | Hi Leeds |
| 18:02.59 | Marios_ | very quiet again |
| 18:07.11 | Leeds | yes |
| 18:07.14 | Leeds | *too* quiet |
| 18:09.05 | Marios_ | how is going Leeds? |
| 18:09.20 | Cope | Hi Marios_ |
| 18:09.39 | Marios_ | Hello Cope |
| 18:09.43 | Marios_ | long time to see you |
| 18:10.58 | Leeds | going okay... things are strange at work |
| 18:11.00 | Marios_ | I missed the last meeting...I had to go Cyprus for 5 days |
| 18:11.12 | Marios_ | why Leeds? |
| 18:16.00 | Leeds | long story... |
| 18:16.53 | Leeds | but I've got lots of work and non-work travel coming, and that makes me happy :-) Are you coming to FOSDEM? |
| 18:19.02 | Leeds | Cope: why are you lamenting? |
| 18:20.24 | Leeds | Cope: you're not wimping out on us again, are you? |
| 18:22.54 | Leeds | :-( |
| 18:23.34 | Cope | or if someone wants to give him some extra work to the value of 200 quid |
| 18:25.30 | Leeds | depending on how badly you wanted to go, you could do it for less... travel by bus, stay in hostel... probably a base cost of 60-70 |
| 18:25.55 | Leeds | 36 quid for a bus ticket |
| 18:28.30 | Leeds | Marios_: are you coming? |
| 18:32.10 | Marios_ | FOSDEM? |
| 18:33.01 | Marios_ | sorry I was on the phone |
| 18:33.13 | Leeds | yes, FOSDEM! |
| 18:33.22 | Marios_ | I should go yes |
| 18:33.41 | Marios_ | it is weekend so I won't have problem with work |
| 18:34.23 | Leeds | well, people tend to go on the Friday during the day, but yes, the main event is over the weekend |
| 18:34.35 | Leeds | if you aren't there on Friday evening, you miss the Friday evening booze-up :-) |
| 18:34.40 | Marios_ | lol |
| 18:34.49 | Marios_ | well I might leave late on Friday after work |
| 18:35.11 | Marios_ | and it is only 2.5 by EUrostar |
| 18:35.15 | Marios_ | hours |
| 18:35.35 | Marios_ | and they are one hour behind... |
| 18:36.00 | Leeds | no, an hour ahear |
| 18:36.04 | Leeds | ahead, surely? |
| 18:36.08 | Marios_ | ohh yeah |
| 18:36.15 | Marios_ | hmm |
| 18:36.31 | Marios_ | probably I should go Saturday morning and leave Sunday evening |
| 18:36.31 | Leeds | so if you leave, say, at 1800, you won't be there until 2130 |
| 18:36.39 | Marios_ | hmmm |
| 18:36.49 | Leeds | if you can, I'd take Friday afternoon off |
| 18:37.33 | Marios_ | I can't take take the afternoon off.. I haven't started in my new job yet...it is not nice to ask for the day off |
| 18:37.42 | Leeds | sure it is |
| 18:37.45 | Marios_ | lol |
| 18:37.51 | Leeds | is your new job technical? |
| 18:37.56 | Leeds | is it a computer job? |
| 18:37.59 | Marios_ | I told you right... |
| 18:38.17 | Leeds | answer the question... |
| 18:38.25 | Leeds | I'm being rhetorical :-) |
| 18:38.28 | Marios_ | C++.NET in Windows ..... please don't kick me out of the channel |
| 18:38.41 | Marios_ | I repeat no kick |
| 18:39.16 | Leeds | so... you want to take the weekend to go to a conference, to network, to promote the company, to learn new skills, but they won't let you take a measly afternoon off to get there? |
| 18:39.44 | Marios_ | man..I don't know the people there...I have no idea how they think |
| 18:39.54 | Leeds | when do you start? |
| 18:40.02 | Marios_ | this coming Wednesday |
| 18:40.31 | Leeds | to be honest, I'd e-mail them now, say you were planning to go but forgot to mention it or something, and ask what they think |
| 18:40.34 | Marios_ | as I told you is a big Bank...they are not impressed by things like Linux |
| 18:41.01 | Leeds | are you doing a support-type thing? front-line? dealing directly with customers? |
| 18:41.16 | Marios_ | 50% support 50% development |
| 18:41.29 | Leeds | are you critical enough that you can't take time off? |
| 18:42.01 | Marios_ | as I told you....I have no idea what it will be like |
| 18:42.03 | Marios_ | :) |
| 18:42.05 | Leeds | anyway, you know what I'm saying :-) |
| 18:42.24 | Leeds | I'd ask - and make it clear that you don't know if they'll say yes, and it's okay if they don't, but you do want to go |
| 18:42.25 | Marios_ | ok I will do my best |
| 18:42.47 | Marios_ | cool |
| 18:42.48 | Leeds | as long as you're tactful in your asking, it shouldn't hurt |
| 18:42.50 | Leeds | :-) |
| 18:42.53 | Marios_ | hehehehe |
| 18:43.22 | Marios_ | never been to FOSDEM so I think it will good experience |
| 18:43.30 | Marios_ | who else is going? |
| 18:43.32 | Cope | 36 by coach!? |
| 18:43.33 | Leeds | what I mean is - if you demand it, and they're not happy, it would be a bad thing, but if you ask respectfully... |
| 18:43.36 | Leeds | Cope: right |
| 18:43.46 | Cope | How much do you reckopn it would cost to drive? |
| 18:43.50 | Cope | including ferry? |
| 18:43.51 | Leeds | I'm going... wethrin is going... morsing, I think... |
| 18:43.56 | Marios_ | coach? |
| 18:43.58 | Leeds | quite a lot more than that |
| 18:44.00 | Marios_ | lets take Eurostar |
| 18:44.07 | Cope | I can't afford it |
| 18:44.09 | Leeds | Marios_: it's not cheap... |
| 18:44.17 | Cope | coach I could just about afford |
| 18:44.21 | Marios_ | I 've been there before with Eurostar |
| 18:44.26 | Cope | 150 quid |
| 18:44.30 | Marios_ | no way |
| 18:44.33 | Cope | yep |
| 18:44.36 | Marios_ | are you sure? |
| 18:44.38 | Cope | no |
| 18:44.40 | Leeds | Cope: my ticket is 120, I think |
| 18:44.53 | Marios_ | God...last year was $95 roundtrip |
| 18:45.01 | Leeds | Marios_: they only have a limited number of cheap seats - as it gets closer the time, and more full, it costs more |
| 18:45.16 | Leeds | if you'd have booked it in December, it would have been 60 |
| 18:45.28 | Marios_ | ohhh god |
| 18:45.37 | Marios_ | guys I am going to Tesco for a minute |
| 18:45.39 | Marios_ | I will be back |
| 18:45.48 | Leeds | okay... about time for me to go home anyway... |
| 18:46.11 | Leeds | Cope: driving will be a little cheaper if you have a full car - but more expensive otherwise, I think |
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| 19:17.44 | pawel | hi guys. |
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| 19:35.35 | George | blah |
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| 19:53.52 | George | I wonder if I have a spare 10baseT network card at home. |
| 19:53.53 | George | hrmm. |
| 19:59.45 | Cope | does anyone have an 8+ port hub they want to get rid of |
| 20:00.14 | George | nope |
| 20:09.33 | pawel | ~ |
| 20:09.37 | pawel | oops. :) |
| 22:01.20 | pawel | cool. |
| 22:01.34 | Leeds | what is? |
| 22:01.53 | pawel | external usb rewriters rox! |
| 22:02.12 | Leeds | ah! |
| 22:02.20 | pawel | yeah! |
| 22:02.25 | pawel | it's really cool. |
| 22:02.35 | Marios_ | DVD writer? |
| 22:02.49 | Leeds | dvb rocks too :-) |
| 22:02.51 | pawel | thanks for those dvds. was very useful. |
| 22:02.56 | pawel | that's right. |
| 22:03.02 | pawel | it's DVD rewriter. |
| 22:03.04 | rhowe | Cope: You can get a 24 port 10/100 rackmount switch for around 30 quid from Aria IIRC |
| 22:03.26 | Marios_ | pawel: DVD rewriter for USB ? how much ? |
| 22:03.35 | pawel | lots of storage. :) |
| 22:03.39 | Marios_ | hehhehee |
| 22:04.22 | rhowe | Cope: Sorry, 16 port - http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductInfoComm.asp?ID=8002 |
| 22:04.30 | pawel | Marios_: it is a regular internal NEC DVD rewriter and it works with IDE to USB adaptor under linux 2.6.10. |
| 22:04.43 | Marios_ | ohhhh got it |
| 22:04.46 | Marios_ | cool |
| 22:04.47 | pawel | connected to my laptop. :) |
| 22:04.51 | rhowe | Cope: They also have a 9 quid + VAT 8 port one |
| 22:07.25 | pawel | ok. cu later guys. |
| 22:07.33 | pawel | dinner time. |
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| 22:37.02 | JAV | hi |
| 22:43.15 | Marios_ | hello Jav |
| 22:57.45 | Leeds | JAV: I'm watching streaming TV over nfs with about 2% cpu on the server :-) |
| 23:02.59 | JAV | 98% perfect! |
| 23:03.01 | JAV | :D |
| 23:04.33 | Leeds | but I'm using something like 100% of cpu on my laptop to watch it... |
| 23:04.35 | JAV | It's not the same chip than dvb-s, but I hope it to be similar %cpu |
| 23:04.45 | JAV | aaah |
| 23:05.06 | JAV | mpeg decoding on laptop, isn't it? |
| 23:06.52 | Leeds | yup |
| 23:07.52 | Leeds | that's not re-encoding the video/audio at all - just saving the raw(ish) stream to disk |
| 23:08.24 | JAV | Mb/s? |
| 23:08.51 | Leeds | about 2GB/hour |
| 23:08.55 | rhowe | grr, gotta get up early to go to the Royal Mail delivery office |
| 23:09.15 | rhowe | wifi kit which they insist on a signature for |
| 23:09.55 | Leeds | mplayer calls it 15000kbps mpeg2 video and 192kbps mp2 audio |
| 23:10.41 | Leeds | but that doesn't sound entirely right to me :-) |
| 23:11.18 | rhowe | 2Mbyte/s? |
| 23:11.47 | Leeds | something like that |
| 23:11.58 | JAV | 2? |
| 23:12.01 | rhowe | mplayer looks about right then |
| 23:12.10 | rhowe | (since it's displaying Kbit/s) |
| 23:12.32 | rhowe | Or don't the file sizes correlate? |
| 23:12.48 | JAV | 568Kb/s |
| 23:13.06 | JAV | at 2Gb/h |
| 23:13.11 | rhowe | 15000/8 is going to be about 2000, isn't it? |
| 23:13.31 | Leeds | the bitrates differ between channels, and in theory at least can differ on one channel |
| 23:13.45 | rhowe | VBR DVB? |
| 23:13.58 | Leeds | nope |
| 23:14.06 | Leeds | just not permanently fixed |
| 23:14.34 | Leeds | that is, I thought they could switch to different fixed rates - although maybe I'm thinking of DAB... |
| 23:14.37 | rhowe | Ah OK, so it could vary between programmes |
| 23:15.31 | JAV | Leeds: how do you send the stream to the laptop? |
| 23:15.41 | rhowe | You've been framed could be run at 30kbit/s video, for example :) |
| 23:15.53 | Leeds | JAV: streaming to disk, disk is mounted over nfs over wifi - very low-tech :-) |
| 23:16.31 | Leeds | I would like to try to get videolan streaming or some such working |
| 23:16.34 | rhowe | netcat! |
| 23:16.51 | Leeds | rhowe: that's a very good point :-) |
| 23:16.56 | JAV | heh |
| 23:17.02 | Leeds | seriously |
| 23:17.17 | rhowe | Leeds: Shame there isn't a v4l equivalent of NBD :) |
| 23:17.32 | JAV | minimal overhead |
| 23:17.39 | Leeds | yeah |
| 23:18.02 | Leeds | anyway, as I've said, the plan isn't to do live streaming - just recording and playback |
| 23:18.32 | rhowe | Though since most cards use direct IO over the PCI bus, it wouldn't really be practical |
| 23:18.32 | rhowe | heh the messages from the Flash version of ICQ are funny |
| 23:18.40 | rhowe | "Hmmm, let's find ourselves a server..." |
| 23:18.56 | rhowe | "OK we're online. Now what?" (when the logon process was being slow) |
| 23:19.11 | rhowe | "We're nearly there" |
| 23:21.48 | Leeds | mplayer is filling its cache from nc :-) |
| 23:22.37 | Leeds | wow, well that was stupidly easy - good call rhowe! |
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| 23:24.56 | JAV | so... cat /dev/something > nc |
| 23:25.03 | Leeds | now, the ideal, which I think is possible in theory, but trying something like it is what hung up the drivers earlier, would be to have the kernel send the stream straight to the network rather than having it pass through userspace |
| 23:25.12 | Leeds | cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 | nc |
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| 23:46.28 | mikejw | evening all |
| 23:46.43 | Leeds | hi |
| 23:47.36 | mikejw | Leeds: how's tricks? |
| 23:49.05 | Leeds | not too bad, considering... you? |
| 23:49.25 | mikejw | yeah not bad either thanks |
| 23:49.39 | mikejw | I have a new domain -> mikejw.co.uk |
| 23:49.47 | mikejw | but it's empty so far |
