| 00:00.42 | pdr | Leeds: andrews and arnolds supports linux for adsl |
| 00:00.56 | pdr | http://aa.nu/ |
| 00:01.20 | Leeds | pdr: yes, I know - and they're not the only ones who do |
| 00:01.51 | Leeds | I meant to say "almost no ISPs" not "also no ISPs" |
| 00:02.01 | pdr | :-) |
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| 01:12.58 | Leeds | oh well, time for night walking... |
| 02:16.29 | gregj | too much beer |
| 02:28.04 | pdr | yum |
| 02:31.33 | Leeds | from |
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| 07:49.22 | Cope | who |
| 08:05.43 | JAV | I |
| 08:05.52 | JAV | good morning |
| 08:05.53 | JAV | :D |
| 08:26.56 | Cope | hello |
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| 08:57.08 | Cope | hello Leeds |
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| 08:59.59 | Leeds | morning Cope |
| 09:00.02 | Leeds | and mozrat |
| 09:00.31 | mozrat | hello! |
| 09:01.48 | Leeds | mozrat: back in the UK? |
| 09:02.03 | mozrat | Aye |
| 09:02.21 | mozrat | Got back from Paris on Tuesday night but had some holiday to use up so been off since then |
| 09:02.29 | mozrat | and managed to stay mainly offline as well! |
| 09:02.58 | gregj | y0 |
| 09:03.37 | mozrat | yo yo gregj |
| 09:05.02 | Leeds | hey gregj |
| 09:05.23 | Leeds | how's life at the other end of Europe? |
| 09:06.49 | gregj | good, not that bad |
| 09:07.02 | gregj | still I miss UK, and would like to get back there |
| 09:08.03 | Leeds | there's less that one country in europe to the east of you - you're at the end of europe :-) |
| 09:09.16 | Leeds | okay, so russia is pretty wide... |
| 09:09.28 | Leeds | are you still working for the canadians? |
| 09:16.52 | gregj | Leeds: yep |
| 09:19.41 | gregj | they are not paying on time, but at least I can work on certain open source projects, that we use in bussiness |
| 09:20.13 | Leeds | and, if a bunch of GLLUGers decided to invade Kracow (how do you spell that anyway?) , would you show us a good time? :-) |
| 09:20.18 | Leeds | not paying on time is a bad thing... |
| 09:21.09 | gregj | yep |
| 09:21.11 | gregj | www.krakow.pl |
| 09:21.12 | gregj | :-) |
| 09:21.26 | gregj | http://www.krakow.pl/en/ |
| 09:22.47 | Leeds | yes, I found the English pages :-) |
| 09:25.25 | gregj | theres direct easy jet to cracow now |
| 09:26.19 | Leeds | I see that, but it's not so cheap |
| 09:26.29 | gregj | how much is it ? |
| 09:26.38 | gregj | that's probably because this airport is not cheap |
| 09:26.41 | gregj | god only knows why |
| 09:27.34 | Leeds | to come for a weekend in May... ?121 |
| 09:28.13 | gregj | well, so far I have no plans to move back to UK |
| 09:28.15 | Leeds | is it sane to fly to Katowice? |
| 09:28.36 | gregj | you can, but than you have to take bus to Cracow, which costs 50PLN (less than 10 quid) |
| 09:29.11 | Leeds | it's not that much cheaper, anyway - the 'taxes and fees' come to over ?40 |
| 09:29.27 | Leeds | I think it's a rip-off for them to advertise prices without that stuff included, personally |
| 09:29.55 | Leeds | anyway, it's not that likely to happen, but I do like window-shopping for flights :-) |
| 09:30.17 | gregj | :-) |
| 09:30.24 | gregj | www.wizzair.com |
| 09:30.27 | gregj | www.skyeurope.com |
| 09:30.29 | gregj | try these |
| 09:30.44 | Leeds | I've been at wizz |
| 09:32.53 | Leeds | sky are the same price as wizz, where wizz was luton->katowice but sky are stanstead->krakow |
| 09:34.05 | gregj | hm |
| 09:34.12 | Leeds | about ?82 |
| 09:34.23 | Leeds | Friday->Sunday seems to be an expensive combination of flights |
| 09:35.06 | gregj | sure, it is always like that |
| 09:35.22 | gregj | and if you want to stay longer than a week it is getting cheaper a lot |
| 09:35.36 | Leeds | it shouldn't - not with these 'low cost' airlines |
| 09:35.41 | gregj | well |
| 09:36.02 | Leeds | they are only meant to charge, effectively, for two one-way tickets, not a return, so it should make no difference when you come back like that |
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| 09:38.04 | gregj | well |
| 09:38.20 | gregj | I am flying usualy to PL from UK, or I used to, for a month or at least 2 weeks |
| 09:38.31 | gregj | and I can see the difference |
| 09:38.43 | Leeds | it should make no difference with low-cst airlines |
| 09:41.14 | mozrat- | where the hell did lmozrat-p come from? |
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| 09:41.55 | mozrat- | strange |
| 09:42.35 | Leeds | shower time... |
| 09:49.44 | gregj | 30h |
| 09:49.48 | Cope | There used to be cheap coaches to poland - about 40 quid |
| 10:09.46 | mozrat | hello cope |
| 10:35.52 | Leeds | and to work |
| 10:36.43 | Cope | Any other outlook sufferers know how to reply to an html message and make it go to plain text? I've managed to get it to stop top posting, but it puts horrible lines in front, not > in html, and when I convert it to text the indentation goes away!! |
| 10:37.43 | mozrat | Cope, I feel your pain |
| 10:38.03 | mozrat | but no I don't know.. I had that recently though when I used Outlook for the day |
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| 10:39.26 | Cope | for a day! |
| 10:39.31 | Cope | lucky man |
| 10:45.22 | Cope | ok... so, I reply inline, send the reply to myself, reply to that in plain text, and re-edit the email, then send it. |
| 10:45.30 | Cope | How is this good for productivity? |
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| 10:55.12 | Cope | hi harkness |
| 10:59.26 | harkness | Hello Cope. |
| 11:00.17 | harkness | Have a good weekend? Deja vu for me; I am working on the same problem as I was last week - nothing changes ;-) |
| 11:01.09 | Cope | Pleasant weekend - I am battling (again) with the hopeless IT provision we have been given... yet my complaining makes no difference - I must have the same setup as all 56,000 other employees. |
| 11:02.19 | harkness | That does seem silly - just as everyone uses exactly the same stationery, the accountants forced to write without lines on paper ;-) |
| 11:04.25 | Cope | yep - stupid. |
| 11:04.43 | Cope | the insanity of working for huge company with clueless wankers making IT decisions. |
| 11:05.25 | rhowe | Cope: Knoppix |
| 11:05.30 | Cope | Sometimes I feel I would take a different job purely on the basis of not being forced to use outlook! |
| 11:05.36 | Cope | rhowe: don't be silly. |
| 11:05.47 | harkness | We have the same thing here for probably about the same number of employees. Having spent the last seven years using a Linux/Unix desktop I have to use windows to access the Linux systems. |
| 11:06.11 | rhowe | Cope: I'm not - just slap in a Knoppix CD and work from that :) |
| 11:06.14 | harkness | rhowe: I am not allowed to plug any other machine or software into the network. |
| 11:06.23 | Cope | rhowe: The whole infrastructure is designed around windows-only tools; I would have no access to hundreds of them, and no way to get my email! |
| 11:06.48 | rhowe | Cope: Exchange doesn't have IMAP switched on? |
| 11:06.52 | Cope | rhowe: No. |
| 11:06.56 | rhowe | Ah |
| 11:07.11 | harkness | rhowe: I have spent the last three months 9-5 using GPRS for Internet access as there is not other methed - two other guys are sharing a modem. |
| 11:07.13 | rhowe | harkness: Do you use IE? |
| 11:07.18 | Cope | They switched it off to prevent people using non-windows machines. |
| 11:07.37 | harkness | rhowe: illegally using mozilla. |
| 11:07.47 | rhowe | harkness: Or some other form of web browser which does scripting (javascript, vbscript, etc)? |
| 11:07.52 | Cope | Its illegal to use mozilla here too... |
| 11:08.23 | Cope | I don't understand why these people are such idiots. |
| 11:08.44 | rhowe | harkness: Since if you do, most websites you visit are plugging other software into the network |
| 11:08.52 | rhowe | harkness: Illegal to write a batch file? :) |
| 11:09.02 | harkness | It is not so much that I cannot (officially) use mozilla or open office - it is things like focus stealing. |
| 11:09.25 | harkness | rhowe: think about general T&Cs. |
| 11:09.28 | rhowe | A friend of mine was telling me at the weekend how he was pulled up by management for using VBA in a spreadsheet |
| 11:09.36 | rhowe | "It's a security risk - you might be hacking" |
| 11:09.41 | harkness | rhowe: gpg is banned here too. |
| 11:09.47 | Cope | we also have a massively complicated set of networks designed to protect the client machines - which means I have to winscp files all over the place if I want to do useful things to them o useful machines. |
| 11:11.47 | wethrin | If I unmount /var on a colo box, would it screw up badly? |
| 11:11.52 | wethrin | I need to run fsck |
| 11:12.18 | rhowe | grr - Feb 7 10:41:56 ldap.domain.org slapd[718]: ldbm: ==> write: 0x405e2148, 4096: No space left on device |
| 11:12.32 | wethrin | Heh |
| 11:12.33 | Cope | switch off syslog? and anything else writing to /var? |
| 11:12.39 | harkness | wethrin: you would just need to stop logging and anything else writing to it |
| 11:12.40 | wethrin | Don't think so |
| 11:12.47 | wethrin | harkness: So kill Apache and syslog? |
| 11:13.06 | wethrin | And named, and stuff? |
| 11:13.09 | harkness | fuser -v /var as a start just in case you forget something |
| 11:13.39 | wethrin | no fuser in O'BSD |
| 11:13.54 | harkness | LOL@ harkness! |
| 11:14.59 | rhowe | Cope: syslog is doing network-only logging |
| 11:15.07 | rhowe | Cope: It's just the LDAP database that's got too big |
| 11:15.20 | rhowe | Cope: A UML with a too-small filesystem |
| 11:15.22 | Cope | rhowe: I was talking to wethrin ! |
| 11:15.27 | rhowe | Oh :) |
| 11:15.33 | wethrin | :) |
| 11:15.35 | Cope | but thanks for the extra info! |
| 11:17.17 | rhowe | hm, there's still only 77M of space left |
| 11:17.43 | Cope | wethrin: fstat is the openbsd equivalent |
| 11:18.09 | wethrin | Thanks |
| 11:19.07 | Cope | In the base, so you'll definitely have it. |
| 11:19.38 | wethrin | Yarr |
| 11:20.53 | wethrin | Ackh. It says 'device busy', but fstat says nothing's using is |
| 11:20.54 | wethrin | *it |
| 11:23.21 | Cope | are you in /var? |
| 11:28.50 | wethrin | No. But it works again now |
| 11:28.59 | wethrin | There were still file handles open to the deleted file |
| 11:28.59 | Cope | mysterious |
| 11:29.06 | Cope | ah |
| 11:30.38 | wethrin | Silly me, forgetting basic UNIX |
| 11:30.46 | wethrin | Clearly I should run Windows :( |
| 11:31.24 | wethrin | Meetingtime! |
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| 11:34.50 | Cope | wooleeds |
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| 11:35.36 | Leeds | hey |
| 11:38.11 | xander | hello Leeds :-) |
| 11:46.00 | Cope | hello xander |
| 11:46.26 | Cope | :) |
| 11:46.41 | harkness | :-) |
| 11:46.53 | harkness | GPRS keeps timing out and kicking me off. |
| 11:47.49 | Cope | grumble |
| 11:49.19 | harkness | It is scary just how much power my mobile puts out - it makes my monitor wobble permanently at a 6' distance |
| 12:02.24 | rhowe | ibot change 50 gbp to eur |
| 12:02.54 | Leeds | harkness: which phone? |
| 12:03.28 | Leeds | mine seems very very noisy... |
| 12:03.45 | harkness | nokia 6310. Amazing phone 8 day battery life (with lots of use) and very robust ;-) |
| 12:04.25 | Leeds | my K700 has a nasty tendency to make loud noises if it's left anywhere near either speakers or speaker cables |
| 12:32.55 | wethrin | Arr |
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| 13:56.25 | JAV | hi |
| 13:57.06 | JAV | http://www2.opt.be/pdf/EN/BRU.PDF |
| 13:59.34 | JAV | (brussels) |
| 13:59.36 | Leeds | JAV: you will notice the pictures aren't taken in freezing Feburary |
| 13:59.47 | JAV | heh |
| 14:00.13 | Leeds | there are people in short sleeves, for fsck's sake! |
| 14:01.37 | Leeds | and all the museums are closed on Mondays... |
| 14:04.08 | JAV | nice beach :P |
| 14:05.16 | Leeds | heh |
| 14:05.28 | Leeds | I hear they have a nice beach in Paris in summer |
| 14:06.13 | JAV | I saw it on tv |
| 14:06.22 | JAV | next to Sena |
| 14:07.12 | JAV | VERY narrow :D |
| 14:08.10 | JAV | http://www2.opt.be/pdf/EN/BIERE2005.pdf ---> beer special |
| 14:11.05 | JAV | they are very focused on tourism |
| 14:11.41 | JAV | they even have brochures! |
| 14:11.43 | JAV | :) |
| 14:12.26 | Leeds | I bought the little guidebook and map last year |
| 14:13.24 | Cope | was it red? |
| 14:15.17 | Leeds | blue |
| 14:15.30 | Leeds | from the tourist office in the Grand Place |
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| 15:28.35 | Cope | hello SlayerXP |
| 15:28.36 | SlayerXP | lo cope |
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| 15:36.32 | wethrin | gj! |
| 15:36.32 | gregj | yeah ? |
| 15:37.12 | wethrin | hi |
| 15:37.14 | SlayerXP | i see you all lost your obsessions with my nick |
| 15:37.23 | gregj | y0 |
| 15:37.28 | wethrin | gregj: FOSDEM |
| 15:37.44 | gregj | just slay eXtra Portion |
| 15:37.49 | gregj | wethrin: e-e |
| 15:38.05 | gregj | wethrin: no cash, fucking ppl employing me didn't send me pay check yet |
| 15:38.41 | wethrin | bWAH |
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| 15:40.40 | gregj | wethrin: yeah, I know |
| 15:40.53 | gregj | wethrin: I wonder, how much will it cost me to go there by train |
| 15:41.26 | wethrin | 150EUR, maybe? |
| 15:41.32 | wethrin | I guess you'd have to go via Berlin? |
| 15:41.46 | gregj | probably |
| 15:41.56 | gregj | and to get some place to sleep |
| 15:41.58 | gregj | decent one |
| 15:42.04 | gregj | like a room with shower, tec |
| 15:42.06 | gregj | etc |
| 15:42.13 | wethrin | Pff |
| 15:42.14 | wethrin | Luxury |
| 15:42.19 | wethrin | Come Youth Hostelling! |
| 15:43.03 | gregj | :> |
| 15:43.09 | gregj | I'm an old prick |
| 15:43.16 | gregj | I like luxuries |
| 15:43.52 | gregj | youth hosteil means probably one big floor with just one bathroom and 3 shared showers |
| 15:44.03 | gregj | everything stinkie, and 3 other mates in room |
| 15:44.04 | gregj | right ? |
| 15:44.47 | wethrin | Heh |
| 15:44.50 | wethrin | YEah |
| 15:45.49 | gregj | man, I have to tell you that I miss bloody UK |
| 15:46.13 | wethrin | gregj: So come back! |
| 15:46.23 | gregj | on one hand, but on the other, with money I get now (around pound 600) I can't survive in london |
| 15:46.37 | wethrin | Hrm |
| 15:46.41 | gregj | yeah, i will need a job there from day one to get back |
| 15:46.44 | gregj | thats the problem |
| 15:46.45 | wethrin | So come to Newcastle or Durham :) |
| 15:47.29 | gregj | rrright |
| 15:47.33 | gregj | but I do prefere london |
| 15:47.43 | wethrin | Edinburgh :) |
| 15:48.22 | gregj | sounds better ;) |
| 15:48.39 | wethrin | heh |
| 15:49.30 | pawel | gregj: hi. :) |
| 15:49.43 | gregj | y0 pa - wel |
| 15:50.22 | gregj | checking for gcc version 3.3.x... configure: error: GCC Version 3.3.x is required |
| 15:50.26 | gregj | :/ |
| 15:50.42 | wethrin | heh |
| 15:50.42 | gregj | I have 3.4 |
| 15:50.43 | gregj | sucker |
| 15:50.45 | wethrin | HA! |
| 15:50.50 | wethrin | Hack the makefile |
| 15:51.10 | gregj | configure |
| 15:51.15 | wethrin | Same difference |
| 16:14.46 | jonmasters | wethrin? |
| 16:14.59 | wethrin | jonmasters! |
| 16:15.05 | jonmasters | Hello |
| 16:15.10 | wethrin | I'm just off for tea, and will be back soonish |
| 16:15.41 | wethrin | You are FOSDEMming, aren't you? |
| 16:15.51 | jonmasters | oh ok. I won't hang around. I want to go out and do something useful. Late night in the Heart and Crown and then a club last night after watching the Superbowl. |
| 16:15.56 | jonmasters | Yeah. |
| 16:16.21 | wethrin | Excellent. So I'll definitely see you there! |
| 16:16.27 | wethrin | bye for now! |
| 16:48.48 | SlayerXP | http://images.google.com/images?q=ainsley+harriot |
| 16:48.53 | SlayerXP | spot the odd one out |
| 16:52.08 | Cope | lol! |
| 16:57.34 | mozrat | hahahaha |
| 17:18.04 | wethrin | :-) |
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| 19:21.14 | Cope | don't you get the disks sent to you? |
| 19:21.23 | Leeds | yes, but not for a while |
| 19:21.35 | Leeds | plus I want to leave them seeding on bittorrent |
| 19:32.48 | Leeds | mmm.... green stir-fry... |
| 19:32.57 | Leeds | got CDs 1, 2 and 3 now |
| 19:34.44 | Leeds | Cope: so I hear you lot are evil spammers now? |
| 19:35.34 | Cope | how so? |
| 19:36.36 | Leeds | $5M a year revenue from hosting spammers? |
| 19:43.14 | Cope | where did that come from? |
| 19:43.23 | Leeds | well, spammers :-) |
| 19:43.28 | Cope | funny |
| 19:43.35 | Cope | i mean where did you read it? |
| 19:44.17 | Leeds | I've seen it in at least a couple of places... hang on |
| 19:44.44 | Leeds | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/05/2030200&tid=111&tid=98&tid=95&tid=215 |
| 19:46.26 | Cope | interesting |
| 19:47.18 | Leeds | you didn't know you were an evil spammer? (or spam-lover, at least) |
| 19:47.21 | Leeds | :-) |
| 19:49.47 | Cope | well, I just looked at: http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/listings.lasso?isp=mci.com |
| 19:49.56 | Cope | and not one of those ip's is from our netblock |
| 19:50.11 | Cope | they may be from the colo part of the business though |
| 19:50.26 | Cope | or the uunet but, whuch is no-longer actually part of mci. |
| 19:50.43 | Leeds | it was spun/sold off? |
| 19:50.53 | Cope | sold some time ago |
| 19:51.05 | Cope | well, part of it |
| 19:51.13 | Cope | we still have the wire, of course. |
| 19:51.36 | Cope | but stuff like pipex etc is not part of mci anymore |
| 19:52.30 | Leeds | I'm going to assume - maybe stupidly - that other people in the company have seen the accusations and are going to do something - at least a rebuttal - about them |
| 19:52.42 | Cope | yeah will be interesting to watch |
| 19:53.22 | highbury | hi guys |
| 19:55.00 | highbury | I've been given a little mini-project (3 days tops) to port some Unix security/audit scripts onto MacOS X, I might get them to pay for a Mac to do development work on. What's the best value one, a Mac-Mini and E-Mac ? |
| 19:55.23 | Leeds | you'll have a lot of trouble getting hold of a miniMac |
| 19:55.46 | highbury | its quite easy to end up specing a MacMini to over £1,000 |
| 19:55.47 | Leeds | but they're better value on paper, assuming you've got screen/keyboard/mouse already |
| 19:56.06 | Leeds | sure |
| 19:57.15 | Leeds | the emac is a deadend... the minimac is the start of a new line, but it's pretty basic spec as standard |
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| 21:29.24 | stephanb | highbury: may i add that you can plug a mac-mini to the screen of your choice |
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