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| 00:01.04 | MacLeeds | oops, I guess I left my work connection up |
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| 01:51.30 | rhowe | woohoo! |
| 01:51.34 | rhowe | My WLAN works :) |
| 01:51.43 | rhowe | Now, let's see if WEP works :) |
| 02:14.20 | JAV | i can see your p0rn! :) |
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| 03:42.26 | gregj | what does bling mean ? |
| 03:42.31 | gregj | Leeds: you're in work now ? |
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| 07:41.44 | morsing | morning |
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| 08:10.14 | morsing | MacLeeds? |
| 08:10.23 | MacLeeds | yes |
| 08:11.12 | MacLeeds | I seem to have left my xchat at work running last night... MacLeeds is my fallback nick on this machine |
| 08:12.58 | MacLeeds | a job description: |
| 08:13.07 | MacLeeds | Description: UNIX System Programmer |
| 08:13.09 | MacLeeds | Requirements: Minimum 5 years experience in a development |
| 08:13.09 | MacLeeds | environment |
| 08:13.09 | MacLeeds | Knowledge of communication protocols below TCP and |
| 08:13.09 | MacLeeds | of client-server |
| 08:13.09 | MacLeeds | Good understanding of Sun Solaris OS (kernel level) |
| 08:13.56 | MacLeeds | does that sounds a little bit like me? :-) |
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| 08:21.12 | eye69 | MacLeeds: Yes, quite. |
| 08:23.31 | MacLeeds | eye69: the job is in Jerusalem, of course... |
| 08:25.28 | morsing | I've recieved an unpaid item strike on eBay |
| 08:26.05 | MacLeeds | you mean someone has reported you? |
| 08:26.14 | mozrat | good morning folks |
| 08:26.24 | morsing | MacLeeds: Yes |
| 08:26.28 | MacLeeds | morning mozrat |
| 08:26.34 | MacLeeds | morsing: well, why didn't you pay? |
| 08:26.45 | MacLeeds | :-) |
| 08:27.28 | gregj | MCLeeds hi |
| 08:30.49 | MacLeeds | hey gregj |
| 08:48.13 | morsing | MacLeeds: He made it so difficult for me that I couldn't |
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| 09:04.02 | morsing | Welcome |
| 09:05.12 | MacLeeds | morsing: is this something like someone who would only accept HK dollars in cash or something? |
| 09:05.34 | MacLeeds | oh lord, now Shwartz is blogging in Spanish... |
| 09:05.44 | MacLeeds | oops, Portugese |
| 09:06.02 | morsing | He would only accept Western Union which 1. eBay advise against and 2. claimed my credit cards were invalid |
| 09:07.27 | MacLeeds | on what basis did he complain about your CC? you didn't actually give an ebayer seller your number, I assume |
| 09:09.14 | morsing | He didn't. Western Union did when I tried to transfer money. Tried two cards that I regularly use on the Internet. |
| 09:10.16 | MacLeeds | did he say on the auction that western union was the only thing he'd accept? |
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| 09:20.28 | morsing | MacLeeds: No - he said he wouldn't accept PayPal |
| 09:20.56 | MacLeeds | but he didn't say what he would accept? that's unusual |
| 09:38.29 | Cope | good morning chums |
| 09:39.45 | morsing | morning |
| 09:44.57 | morsing | How's Digex? |
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| 09:58.49 | rhowe | whee |
| 09:58.54 | rhowe | Wifi's working a treat |
| 09:59.26 | [Jango] | wifi rocks |
| 09:59.37 | rhowe | Next step, IPsec |
| 09:59.51 | [Jango] | me is using irc over a http-proxy :/ |
| 10:00.01 | morsing | wifi sucks |
| 10:00.02 | rhowe | Fun |
| 10:00.20 | rhowe | morsing: It's better than nothing (which is the other option - not allowed to run cables) |
| 10:00.21 | Cope | ibot change 23.49 usd to gbp |
| 10:00.26 | morsing | Ahh... |
| 10:00.39 | morsing | ibot wifi is also better than nothing |
| 10:00.40 | ibot | morsing: okay |
| 10:00.44 | morsing | ibot wifi |
| 10:00.45 | ibot | somebody said wifi was see wireless or for a small compact non-port-blocking card, get one of these a) linksys wcf12 for only $65 shipped from buy.com b) netgear MA701NA for $65 shipped from buy.com c) socket LOW POWER wlan (amazing battery life) for $160 + shipping on buy.com, or better than nothing |
| 10:00.48 | rhowe | morsing: Plus, the signal level's pretty high |
| 10:01.13 | rhowe | Link Quality=43/94 Signal level=-52 dBm Noise level=-95 dBm |
| 10:02.36 | [Jango] | you can never trust those stats in my experience :) |
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| 10:05.48 | Cope | morning bruce |
| 10:08.48 | Cope | how's bruce? |
| 10:08.54 | Cope | not too bad bruce. |
| 10:11.12 | itsbruce | Wuh? |
| 10:11.55 | Cope | http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Scripts/TheBruces |
| 10:12.18 | wethrin | morning bruces |
| 10:12.24 | Cope | is your name not bruce? |
| 10:12.45 | wethrin | No, it's Michael |
| 10:15.15 | MacLeeds | g'day bruce |
| 10:15.37 | wethrin | NO POOFTERS! |
| 10:16.38 | pdr | g'day sheila |
| 10:29.05 | itsbruce | Now I feel so much better |
| 10:30.50 | [Jango] | I learnt classical Spanish, not the strange dialect he seems to have picked up. |
| 10:31.40 | MacLeeds | [Jango]: oh really? |
| 10:31.59 | [Jango] | no no no, you are supposed to say: "Que?" |
| 10:32.02 | itsbruce | Lisp and all? |
| 10:32.31 | [Jango] | http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Scripts/FawltyTowers/a.touch.of.class.html |
| 10:32.54 | MacLeeds | well, what do you expect? he's from barcelona! |
| 10:34.54 | MacLeeds | except when they show it - dubbed - in Spain, where he's apparently from Mexico |
| 10:35.16 | Cope | cal |
| 10:35.27 | Cope | -ewrong terminal |
| 10:35.32 | Cope | balh |
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| 10:39.28 | morsing | Welcome SlayerXP |
| 10:39.41 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 10:41.11 | pdr | yum |
| 10:42.16 | SlayerXP | i found that a narrow tall container is much better at holding cereal than a short wide one |
| 10:42.44 | pdr | indeed, and one can then drink the rest if in a hurry |
| 10:42.50 | SlayerXP | yup |
| 10:42.57 | pdr | also, the sugar has more chance to dissolve |
| 10:43.06 | MacLeeds | I suspect that's not the case w.r.t. weetabix |
| 10:43.19 | pdr | in a stock standard bowl, it just sinks to the bottom |
| 10:43.29 | pdr | MacLeeds: on the contrary! |
| 10:44.40 | SlayerXP | MacLeeds: there is one issue with shredded wheat |
| 10:45.00 | SlayerXP | you can't easily fit three in a standard 1 pint pyrex measuring jug |
| 10:45.21 | MacLeeds | 3 are too many anyway |
| 10:45.36 | SlayerXP | don't be silly |
| 10:48.27 | pdr | another reason you should use metric |
| 10:49.12 | SlayerXP | this jug does metric, too |
| 10:51.07 | pdr | mm... metric jugs |
| 11:11.42 | SlayerXP | http://www.funpic.hu/swf/numanuma.html |
| 11:11.46 | SlayerXP | work safe, needs sound |
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| 11:13.50 | MacLeeds | morning irvined__ |
| 11:15.00 | irvined__ | Morning MacLeeds. |
| 11:15.35 | irvined__ | Whats the Mac for Leeds? Is it a jacket, bit of hardware or have you moved to leeds in the highlands? |
| 11:15.58 | MacLeeds | hardware :-) |
| 11:16.07 | MacLeeds | and software, as it happens |
| 11:16.12 | SlayerXP | eewww |
| 11:16.17 | SlayerXP | PURGE THE NONCONFORMANT ONE!! |
| 11:16.52 | wethrin | I'm using Windows |
| 11:16.53 | wethrin | :-) |
| 11:16.56 | SlayerXP | so am I |
| 11:17.09 | SlayerXP | we don't want no stinkin' mac users here |
| 11:17.13 | wethrin | Mmm. Macs. |
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| 11:19.22 | itsbruce | I like mac hardware, I just install a decent OS on it. |
| 11:19.51 | SlayerXP | any excuse to needle Leeds, really :) |
| 11:20.18 | itsbruce | Got Debian on this powerbook and if I had a Mac Mini I'd install OpenBSD on it and use it as a gateway box. |
| 11:20.41 | itsbruce | Partly because it really annoys all the Mac fans I know |
| 11:20.44 | SlayerXP | doesn't linux on mac hardware still require silly bootstrapping stuff? |
| 11:21.07 | MacLeeds | time to go to work |
| 11:21.39 | itsbruce | SlayerXP: No. |
| 11:21.50 | highbury | did CherryOS /Pear fizzle out, or is that still ongoing? |
| 11:23.26 | itsbruce | Linux on New World macs just needs Yaboot, which is very similar to Lilo. The Mac OpenFirmware just looks for a recognisable boot partition. |
| 11:25.36 | pdr | regent street is now hosts to this *huge* mac mini demo |
| 11:25.38 | highbury | though I'm trying to convince my clients that they should buy me a MacMini |
| 11:25.53 | highbury | will they sell them over the counter? |
| 11:26.07 | pdr | probably |
| 11:26.14 | harkness | The delivery time on net orders is 4weeks+ |
| 11:26.38 | itsbruce | Dunno, demand is huge. And Mac Europe's delivery/support system is fucked up atm |
| 11:26.44 | highbury | yep, that may be too slow for me |
| 11:27.02 | itsbruce | Apple Europe, that is |
| 11:27.24 | harkness | Give Regent Street store a ring the wait time is about 20 mins on the phone but they are helpful. |
| 11:31.28 | wethrin | ickh. Peter Childs should learn to punctuate |
| 11:33.59 | wethrin | And why are people bothered about refresh rates on TFT displays? |
| 11:34.12 | wethrin | "The CRT has a higher refresh rate than a TFT, so it's preferable" bollocks |
| 11:34.43 | SlayerXP | refresh rates on TFT screens is an analogue anyway |
| 11:35.29 | Cope | What do you mean, SlayerXP ? |
| 11:36.03 | itsbruce | wethrin: Proper punctuation wouldn't make the posts any more intelligent. He's barely coherent, most of the time. |
| 11:36.13 | SlayerXP | tfts work by updating pixels, not lines |
| 11:36.16 | wethrin | It'd make them more pleasant to read |
| 11:36.26 | rhowe | wethrin: Response time is what I think most people refer to when talking about refresh rate on TFTs |
| 11:36.42 | wethrin | The response time is often far slower than the refresh |
| 11:36.47 | rhowe | wethrin: Remember the old screens where you dragged the mouse and it left a trail behind it (and without 'mouse trails' being switched on) |
| 11:37.03 | wethrin | Older screens had, say, 0.25s response times. But they had more than 4Hz refresh |
| 11:37.13 | rhowe | wethrin: *nod*, and that's what people don't like. Makes anything fast moving look crappy |
| 11:37.17 | rhowe | games, video, etc |
| 11:37.26 | SlayerXP | rhowe: which is bollocks these days |
| 11:37.32 | wethrin | Yes, but it doesn't have to do with refresh rates |
| 11:37.36 | SlayerXP | I get _zero_ motion blur on my screen |
| 11:37.53 | wethrin | SlayerXP: Even when playing fast games? :) |
| 11:38.20 | SlayerXP | wethrin: I play HL2 at 1600x1200 with everything turned up max, it's sharp, crisp and clear |
| 11:38.45 | wethrin | So you'd got a nice LCD with a quick response time? |
| 11:39.06 | wethrin | What refresh rate are you running it at, anyway? |
| 11:41.19 | SlayerXP | 1600 x 1200 at 60hz |
| 11:41.30 | SlayerXP | it's a viewsonic vp201b |
| 11:41.41 | wethrin | So quite a nice one, then :) |
| 11:41.57 | SlayerXP | yup |
| 11:41.59 | wethrin | So refresh doesn't matter, anyway. Silly people on the mailing list |
| 11:42.05 | SlayerXP | it'll do 3200 x 1200 |
| 11:42.17 | wethrin | Two monitors? |
| 11:42.31 | SlayerXP | wide screen |
| 11:42.43 | SlayerXP | does all sorts of odd, and allegedly unsupported, modes |
| 11:42.47 | wethrin | Interesting |
| 11:42.57 | wethrin | LCDs tend only to work properly in one particular mode anyway |
| 11:47.02 | itsbruce | wethrin: Which is one reason why I haven't unpacked the second hand 17" TFT that someone passed on to me. My 17" CRT may be bulky but I don't really have an incentive to switch. |
| 11:47.57 | wethrin | itsbruce: Well, I'll take it off your hands |
| 11:48.21 | itsbruce | Heh |
| 11:49.32 | wethrin | You clearly don't really want it :) |
| 11:49.39 | itsbruce | Apple are playing a big part in making good quality TFT screens affordable |
| 11:50.07 | wethrin | Yes....have you seen the price of their 30" displays? :) |
| 11:50.29 | wethrin | Apple have very good quality displays, but they don't come cheap |
| 11:51.11 | itsbruce | They put good quality displays into their laptops. Puts the average PC laptop to shame. |
| 11:51.29 | wethrin | Yes, very true |
| 11:51.35 | wethrin | But so does the build quality |
| 11:52.05 | itsbruce | Though the reliability has really gone downhill |
| 11:53.08 | SlayerXP | my viewsonic is the wasps nipples |
| 11:53.31 | wethrin | I've heard a bit. My Powerbook is 2.5 years old now, and still going strong |
| 11:53.56 | SlayerXP | 20.1 inches of TFT happiness |
| 11:54.13 | wethrin | Mmmm |
| 11:54.32 | wethrin | You're not going to pass it this way when you move to .no, are yo9u? |
| 11:55.37 | SlayerXP | sure |
| 11:55.53 | SlayerXP | I was just going to give it to the first glluger who knocked on the door |
| 11:55.54 | itsbruce | wethrin: Most of our staff use Mac laptops. The turnover rate has been dismal |
| 11:56.17 | SlayerXP | turnover in staff, or laptops? :) |
| 11:56.36 | SlayerXP | "here, have a mac powerbook" "here, have my notice" :) |
| 11:56.38 | wethrin | At ex-orkplace they had Toshiba Satellite Pro 610s. 5/6 had to be returned with power supply problems in the first few weeks of getting them |
| 11:58.44 | itsbruce | wethrin: We had a similar experience with Compaqs. But I have direct experience (and plenty of anecdotal evidence) for a real drop in standards from Apple. They're still better than most of the PC manufacturers... |
| 11:59.36 | itsbruce | But they're currently having problems scaling up to even a modest increase in their total sales. |
| 12:00.12 | wethrin | In what way? |
| 12:01.47 | itsbruce | In their build quality having gone down, in their European support and delivery system having fallen apart, what else do you want? |
| 12:02.16 | wethrin | Yeah, but they often re-look at their component suppliers |
| 12:02.37 | wethrin | If they're having problems, they change suppliers and hopefully machine reliability goes up |
| 12:04.53 | itsbruce | I wonder how much of the quality difference between Mac and PCs would survive them achieving real mass-market sales figures, though. |
| 12:05.31 | itsbruce | Many things have been easier for them precisely because there are fewer Mac software companies and a smaller pool of customers. |
| 12:06.11 | wethrin | They still keep a close guard on the hardware that goes in, so it is easier to make better quality machines |
| 12:06.42 | wethrin | You don't have to worry whether $cheap_video_card is going to cause trouble with $nasty_motherboard, but only if $dodgy_NIC exists in the system |
| 12:06.45 | Leeds | ah, someone trying to run debian 9.0 on a thinkpad... |
| 12:06.56 | wethrin | :) |
| 12:07.24 | wethrin | Debian 9 will probably come out in about 100-150 years |
| 12:08.54 | Cope | my adsl is activated today |
| 12:09.45 | morsing | my adsl will be moved tomorrow :-) |
| 12:10.33 | Cope | aha |
| 12:10.35 | wethrin | yay? |
| 12:12.02 | SlayerXP | i've always been very happy that debian stayed out of the big version number game |
| 12:12.15 | wethrin | RedHat is back to low version numbers |
| 12:12.24 | SlayerXP | how many redhat releases have we had since debian 3.0? 5? 6? |
| 12:12.34 | SlayerXP | they've already caught up with debian |
| 12:12.36 | wethrin | NetBSD is still low (2.0 release not long ago) |
| 12:13.20 | wethrin | OpenBSD isn't that high either |
| 12:13.32 | wethrin | SUSE started at 4.2 |
| 12:13.43 | wethrin | And Slackware just skipped some because Pat felt like it |
| 12:13.53 | Cope | it was a piss take! |
| 12:14.02 | Cope | irony from an american! |
| 12:14.04 | SlayerXP | suse was based in redhat 4 |
| 12:14.08 | Cope | incorrect |
| 12:14.09 | morsing | AIX is still 5.3 |
| 12:14.16 | wethrin | No. SUSE was never RedHat-based |
| 12:14.18 | wethrin | Mandrake was |
| 12:14.20 | Cope | suse was based on slackware |
| 12:14.27 | wethrin | SLS, actually |
| 12:14.35 | wethrin | SUSE and Slackware were two different branches off |
| 12:14.59 | SlayerXP | are we sure about that? |
| 12:15.08 | Cope | yep |
| 12:15.15 | wethrin | Yes |
| 12:16.36 | Leeds | yup |
| 12:17.01 | Leeds | mandrake was redhat-based |
| 12:17.06 | Cope | yep |
| 12:17.08 | wethrin | RedHat+KDE |
| 12:17.24 | Leeds | and I thought the first release of suse (or was it mandrake) was 4.2? |
| 12:17.28 | SlayerXP | i tried an early SuSe |
| 12:17.34 | Leeds | wethrin: plus pentium optimisations |
| 12:17.34 | Cope | clicken zie hier! |
| 12:17.39 | SlayerXP | I loved the way you got randomly yelled at in german |
| 12:17.52 | wethrin | Oh, yes |
| 12:17.56 | wethrin | SUSE was 4.2 |
| 12:18.04 | wethrin | The Answer to all distributions :) |
| 12:18.12 | wethrin | Anyone know off-hand what DVD writer support is like under FreeBSD? Would I just use the 'cdburn' program, or is there something else? |
| 12:18.51 | SlayerXP | i'd answer that, but I've sworn off dissing FreeBSD for a week :) |
| 12:19.15 | wethrin | And it's 'burncd', not 'cdburn' |
| 12:19.34 | wethrin | SlayerXP: Nice, because I didn't want a Debian-only answer :-P |
| 12:20.48 | wethrin | Interesting. In a nitrogen atmosphere, Pentacene doesn't conduct so well |
| 12:21.01 | Cope | what a bummer |
| 12:22.00 | SlayerXP | Cope: I was round your way yesterday |
| 12:22.08 | SlayerXP | had an appointment on pepper street |
| 12:22.20 | SlayerXP | nice to see that gorgeous polish barmaid in the spinnaker is still there |
| 12:22.37 | Cope | because on the planet zarg its important to have organic semiconductors working welkl |
| 12:22.49 | Cope | SlayerXP: indeed! with pigtails |
| 12:23.02 | SlayerXP | and a habit of showing her stomach |
| 12:23.05 | Cope | SlayerXP: you should have alerted me of your presence. |
| 12:23.06 | SlayerXP | which is very flat |
| 12:23.12 | SlayerXP | Cope: I nearly did |
| 12:25.03 | SlayerXP | i've been cleaning the house by 5 minute chunks |
| 12:25.10 | SlayerXP | I may need to up that to 10 minute chunks |
| 12:25.30 | wethrin | Mmm. DHMO. |
| 12:25.56 | wethrin | Hrm. I need to download dvd tools for FreeBSD |
| 12:26.02 | wethrin | Grumble grorple |
| 12:26.26 | Leeds | shit |
| 12:27.42 | wethrin | shit? |
| 12:27.42 | wethrin | I don't like lacking a 'net connection in my room |
| 12:27.42 | wethrin | Means I need to gather everything I need here first |
| 12:27.42 | Leeds | build failure :-( |
| 12:27.42 | wethrin | Arse |
| 12:29.52 | wethrin | Admittedly, the nitrogen atmosphere is in the dark |
| 12:32.30 | wethrin | Turn on the light |
| 12:39.48 | wethrin | Hmm. I might be able to do it in the light if I pump enough nitrogen into the chamber so it can cover the pentacene before it escapes into the atmosphere |
| 12:40.24 | Cope | why would the pentacene escape into the atmosphere? Isn't it in a solid state? |
| 12:44.49 | Leeds | "whe you attend a funeral, it is sad to think that sooner or later those you love will do the same for you" |
| 12:45.17 | wethrin | Cope: The Nitrogen escapes |
| 12:45.30 | wethrin | Leeds is listening to Tom Lehrer instead of working? |
| 12:46.37 | wethrin | Lunchtime! |
| 12:47.26 | Leeds | wethrin: both |
| 12:49.43 | morsing | Mmm... 800GB/s memory bandwidth |
| 12:51.42 | Cope | what is memory bandwidth, and how are you measuring it? |
| 12:52.28 | Leeds | Cope: it's how many music groups you can remember at once - morsing can apparently remember 800 gigabands per second, which is pretty impressive |
| 12:52.45 | Cope | :-) |
| 12:53.01 | Leeds | alternatively, it's how quickly your memory controller and chips can shunt data to and from your processor |
| 12:53.36 | morsing | Leeds is correct... |
| 12:54.02 | Cope | that's a lot of bansd |
| 12:54.19 | SlayerXP | I forget what an opteron can do, but it's pretty high |
| 12:54.36 | SlayerXP | yay for NUMA and onboard MMUs |
| 12:55.02 | morsing | NUMA sucks |
| 12:55.20 | SlayerXP | yes, and it nibbles, too. drives the ladies wild. |
| 12:55.52 | morsing | Hey lady, do you want to see my NUMA? |
| 13:00.18 | SlayerXP | "look at the non-linear access on that" |
| 13:09.19 | itsbruce | We have some IBM Opteron boxes here. Running Debian AMD64 on them. Very nice. |
| 13:10.12 | SlayerXP | indeed |
| 13:10.32 | SlayerXP | i was even more happy with mine when I got the 64bit ATI drivers working over the weekend |
| 13:10.46 | SlayerXP | yay for hardware 3d under X |
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| 14:06.33 | JAV | good afternoon! |
| 14:20.32 | JAV | nice fireworks |
| 14:20.52 | JAV | a psu has just exploded in my hands |
| 14:21.04 | SlayerXP | your electric personality strikes again |
| 14:22.05 | JAV | I have plugged it into the wall |
| 14:22.31 | JAV | the pc doesn't power up |
| 14:22.52 | JAV | i was going to check the back of the cable.... |
| 14:22.58 | JAV | *pooom* |
| 14:23.21 | JAV | now smells funny here :D |
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| 14:35.28 | SlayerXP | sounds like you'll get on lika house on fire :) |
| 14:35.32 | SlayerXP | like a |
| 14:37.08 | SlayerXP | not Gary Pear, then? |
| 14:43.16 | Leeds | yes! I have an at least partially-clean build! |
| 14:43.29 | SlayerXP | of...? |
| 14:44.13 | pdr | what did the buddhist say to the hot dog seller? |
| 14:44.27 | Leeds | nope, completely clean |
| 14:44.30 | pdr | make me one with everything |
| 14:44.31 | Leeds | pdr: one with everythin |
| 14:44.42 | Leeds | SlayerXP: Solaris companion CD |
| 14:44.57 | pdr | Leeds: you have the FHM 'honey a day' calendar too? |
| 14:47.13 | Cope | ooh, does it have close-ups of the different bees, and flowers and stuff? |
| 14:48.02 | Leeds | pdr: unfortunately not |
| 14:48.30 | Leeds | Cope: only if they come with a health warning - honey and jam are two of the most densely-sugared foods... |
| 14:57.21 | Cope | indeed |
| 14:58.30 | wethrin | urghl |
| 15:01.29 | SlayerXP | i like honey |
| 15:01.35 | SlayerXP | but not the refined stuff |
| 15:01.37 | Cope | are you pooh? |
| 15:01.49 | SlayerXP | i like the stuff that still has bits of dead bee in it |
| 15:01.56 | wethrin | MEAD! |
| 15:02.03 | itsbruce | Spiders? |
| 15:02.07 | pdr | www.fhm.com/honeysuncut |
| 15:02.35 | pdr | warning: advertising material inside |
| 17:08.12 | Cope | l/join #fedora |
| 17:08.34 | Leeds | Cope: no, don't do it - you may never recover! |
| 17:10.42 | pdr | you could have just done "/list #fedora" |
| 17:14.11 | Cope | really? |
| 17:14.21 | Cope | superb! |
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| 17:20.38 | Leeds | evening mikejw |
| 17:21.17 | mikejw | Leeds: hullo =] |
| 17:28.09 | itsbruce | or /topic #fedora, more pertinently |
| 17:29.16 | itsbruce | Not that I would bother. Last time I looked, Fedora was even more messy than Red Hat and looking to get worse before it got better. |
| 17:30.08 | Leeds | itsbruce: personally, I blame nasrat |
| 17:31.28 | itsbruce | Paul's one of the smartest people they employ. Unfortunately, his scope doesn't include their architecture as a whole. |
| 18:22.46 | rhowe | Leeds: Do you run WEP on a .11g network? |
| 18:23.00 | Leeds | rhowe: nope - I'm pretty much wide open |
| 18:23.17 | rhowe | Leeds: But you're .11g? |
| 18:23.26 | eye69 | Leeds: The horror! |
| 18:23.33 | eye69 | No VPN either? |
| 18:32.15 | Leeds | I VPN to work... |
| 18:32.45 | Leeds | oh, and I don't do DHCP, so if anyone wanted to hop on my network, they'd have to have a minor clue what they were doing |
| 18:35.10 | eye69 | Oh, aren't you the security minded. :) |
| 18:37.13 | Leeds | eye69: explicitly not |
| 18:43.28 | rhowe | whee :) |
| 18:43.40 | rhowe | Cope: I guess you're a bit far away to pick up my wifi link? :) |
| 18:44.07 | Leeds | Cope: wahey |
| 18:45.39 | Cope | rhowe: indeed |
| 18:45.49 | Cope | right, time to fire up key tools. |
| 18:45.52 | Cope | brb |
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| 18:47.57 | Cope | hello :-) |
| 18:48.10 | Leeds | right, I'm going to buy some money |
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| 21:13.02 | Marios_ | evening |
| 21:16.51 | rhowe | "possibly contradicting the ICCCM, clients don't need to support SECONDARY, though if anyone can figure out what it's good for they should feel free to use it for that" |
| 21:35.41 | rhowe | bwahahaha - 'Whenever a programmer thinks, "Hey, skins, what a cool idea", their computer's speakers should create some sort of cock-shaped soundwave and plunge it repeatedly through their skulls.' |
| 21:41.46 | Leeds | heh |
| 21:57.17 | Leeds | Marios_: so when do you start work? |
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| 22:41.16 | Cope | hmm |
| 22:42.21 | edward | hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x24 <-- anybody had that? |
| 22:42.22 | edward | my amd64 isn't happy |
| 22:51.06 | Cope | and generally not working very well |
| 22:51.40 | rhowe | edward: If it used to work well, I'd get reading SMART data, pronto |
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| 22:54.33 | edward | it is a new drive |
| 22:54.55 | edward | new machine |
| 22:57.50 | mikejw | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.56 | mikejw | =S |
| 23:03.29 | rhowe | You could try disabling the APIC or something - that can 'fix' all sorts of weird and wonderful problems |
| 23:03.41 | rhowe | (boot with the word noapic on the kernel commandline) |
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| 23:10.42 | rhowe | It's a 2.1G SCSI-20 Seagate Barracuda |
| 23:12.08 | edward | rhowe: that is exactly what i did |
| 23:12.18 | edward | booted with noapic, seems a lot happier |
| 23:19.29 | rhowe | I'd check for BIOS updates before reporting it as a bug |
| 23:23.30 | Cope | rhowe: if on a testing system one needs software that is only in sid, what's the best way to go? |
| 23:27.24 | rhowe | Cope: I'd put the package on hold in dselect (= key) and then manually download and install the sid package |
| 23:27.32 | rhowe | Cope: What's the software in question? |
| 23:28.10 | rhowe | Cope: In a week or two, the package will likely be in testing anyway |
| 23:28.38 | rhowe | (unless it's a sid-only dark hors) |
| 23:28.47 | Cope | rhowe: centericq - 1.4.20 in sid, 1.4.14 in sarge |
| 23:29.00 | Cope | and yahoo support is b0rked in 1.4.14 |
| 23:29.04 | rhowe | Ah, I'd just download the sid package and dpkg -i it |
| 23:29.12 | Leeds | blah blah install from source blah blah |
| 23:29.29 | rhowe | Then (I think) dselect won't overwrite it until sarge's version is > than the one you have installed |
| 23:29.40 | Cope | rhowe: did that - depended on a library that was > than what I have |
| 23:30.33 | Cope | Leeds: on an 85MHz sparc even for centericq that could take many more hours than I have |
| 23:30.33 | rhowe | Cope: You can put lines in sources.list for sid and tell apt to install a particular version of a package when there are multiple versions available |
| 23:30.52 | rhowe | Cope: I think it's something like apt-get install packagename:1.4.40 (it isn't quite that, but it's similar) |
| 23:31.27 | rhowe | dselect will gleefully upgrade your system to sid though if you do that, so don't use dselect if you're going down that road, it's not smart enough |
| 23:32.25 | rhowe | I have a feeling one of the other package management frontends (aptitude, perhaps?) handles this situation more gracefully, but I find aptitude about as graceful as Vanessa Phelps rolling down a mountain in a big ball of snow |
| 23:33.13 | Cope | :) |
| 23:33.32 | rhowe | Leeds: reboots were what got my wlan working |
| 23:33.44 | Leeds | rhowe: I'm installing a binary OS update :-) |
| 23:33.45 | rhowe | Leeds: Who says being an ex-Windows user doesn't help? :) |
| 23:34.02 | Leeds | back in a bit |
| 23:34.35 | rhowe | I think there's some bug in the driver whereby if you fiddle with the settings as much as I was gets into a confused state and stops working |
| 23:34.45 | rhowe | (the driver being madwifi) |
| 23:35.08 | rhowe | Grr, just did a quick scan with kismet - seems there aren't any other WLANs around here :/ |
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| 23:40.19 | Leeds | right, time for walkies |
| 23:42.41 | Cope | rhowe: apt-get -t unstable |
| 23:43.12 | Cope | gets package from unstable and tries to meet dependencies from unstable |
| 23:45.26 | Cope | appears to have worked.... |
| 23:48.02 | rhowe | Cope: There's always a way :) |
| 23:51.58 | Cope | bedtime |
| 23:56.08 | Cope | night night |
| 23:58.44 | rhowe | nn |