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| 00:03.53 | floo | anyone still up? |
| 00:09.57 | floo | I missed thelast meeting |
| 00:10.01 | floo | was really gutted |
| 00:10.27 | evangineer | me too (doing other stuff at the time) |
| 00:10.44 | floo | was a bit short ntice toough asn't it? |
| 00:11.25 | evangineer | hmm, apparently scribus allows the importing of pdfs as images which can then be edited |
| 00:11.40 | floo | that's handy |
| 00:11.41 | evangineer | don't really want a solution that needs x though |
| 00:11.52 | floo | openoffice does that too doesn't it? |
| 00:12.54 | floo | hmm better get to bed. early start tomorrow cya... |
| 00:13.07 | evangineer | laters |
| 00:14.20 | evangineer | scribus is scriptable using python though, but really don't want. want to do this stuff on the server-side |
| 00:14.52 | evangineer | don't want X (that is) |
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| 01:04.14 | highbury | maybe we should get floo to read the /topic for this channel. the meeting was advertised here, for at least a month. ok. so we didn't put it on the web site, pfah! creaky old media concepts |
| 01:05.26 | highbury | in fact despite a minimised content, held in the lab, it went pretty well |
| 01:05.33 | highbury | well mnn folks |
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| 08:39.45 | Cope | ah clyphox ! |
| 09:21.30 | clyphox | Hey |
| 09:21.39 | clyphox | ohh I'm lagged |
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| 09:53.03 | Cope | hi SlayerXP |
| 09:54.31 | SlayerXP | heh |
| 09:54.42 | SlayerXP | he's being a moron |
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| 10:18.26 | SlayerXP | <SerajewelKS> does anyone know of a universal game trainer for linux? |
| 10:30.32 | clyphox | I've certainly never heard of one.. I don't cheat tho |
| 10:30.47 | SlayerXP | i advised the chap to stop being crap at games :) |
| 10:31.01 | clyphox | lol |
| 10:31.25 | clyphox | I'd recommend the unitversal game trainer that is the internet hehe |
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| 10:41.31 | clyphox | Pete! |
| 10:43.34 | SlayerXP | the list is quiet |
| 10:47.38 | pdr | Dave! |
| 10:47.55 | pdr | how's things? |
| 10:48.08 | pdr | you're still in scotland? |
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| 10:52.55 | clyphox | nah, been down ere since last year.. working in Telehouse atm |
| 10:57.17 | SlayerXP | muahaha |
| 10:57.23 | SlayerXP | A letter sent to the B&Q customer services department with copy |
| 10:57.23 | SlayerXP | to The Daily Telegraph. |
| 10:57.23 | SlayerXP | Dear Sir/Madam |
| 10:57.23 | SlayerXP | My congratulations to you on getting a yacht to leave the UK on 28th |
| 10:57.23 | SlayerXP | November 2004, sail 27,354 miles around the world and arrive back 72 |
| 10:57.24 | SlayerXP | days later. |
| 10:57.26 | SlayerXP | Could you please let me know when the kitchen I ordered 96 days ago will |
| 10:57.28 | SlayerXP | be arriving from your warehouse 13 miles away? |
| 10:57.30 | SlayerXP | Yours faithfully |
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| 11:03.07 | clyphox | very english =] |
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| 11:09.37 | clyphox | greets |
| 11:10.06 | Leeds | hi |
| 11:10.28 | clyphox | All well sir? |
| 11:12.14 | Leeds | things are pretty good, yes... you? |
| 11:12.38 | George | foo |
| 11:14.23 | clyphox | indeed :-) |
| 11:17.47 | [Jango] | bar |
| 11:19.27 | SlayerXP | i wonder if Herr Childs will take this golden opportunity to STFU |
| 11:19.49 | pdr | roy d'espagne |
| 11:19.52 | Leeds | apparently the weather in Boston is bad enough to be threatening flights today... |
| 11:20.22 | clyphox | kewl |
| 11:20.39 | Leeds | hope it's cleared up a bit by Sunday... |
| 11:32.02 | SlayerXP | any cyrus users in? |
| 11:36.02 | itsbruce | Haven't used it for a long time, so I can only offer advice of historical interest |
| 11:36.24 | SlayerXP | i'm failing to catch the output from chk_cyrus |
| 11:37.34 | itsbruce | chk_cyrus sends its status messages to stderr, iirc |
| 11:37.48 | itsbruce | Other data to stdout |
| 11:38.15 | SlayerXP | i'm trying to recall the method to reroute it |
| 11:38.23 | SlayerXP | thought it was 2&>1 |
| 11:39.04 | itsbruce | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.46 | SlayerXP | ahh that's better |
| 11:39.47 | SlayerXP | thanks |
| 11:42.13 | pdr | man bash perhaps :-) |
| 11:43.34 | pdr | looks like you can do "command &> file" to redirect both stdout and stderr. "command >& file" works too. |
| 11:49.50 | clyphox | <-slave to habit |
| 11:49.57 | clyphox | and the habit is sheer laziness! |
| 12:16.51 | wethrin | Ooh. a clyphox! |
| 12:29.12 | Leeds | hmm... lunch |
| 12:43.41 | [Jango] | mmm... lunch |
| 12:55.29 | SlayerXP | bored |
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| 13:00.25 | wethrin | have a hole |
| 13:09.43 | mozrat | news.bbc.co.uk anyone? |
| 13:10.08 | SlayerXP | what about it? |
| 13:10.18 | mozrat | can you get to it |
| 13:10.27 | SlayerXP | ummmm, no |
| 13:10.36 | mozrat | *.bbc.co.uk anyone? |
| 13:10.56 | SlayerXP | www. works for me |
| 13:11.17 | wethrin | WFM |
| 13:11.26 | wethrin | But then, we're running through a poxy, so it might just be cached |
| 13:11.50 | mozrat | hmm, i can get www now |
| 13:11.56 | [Jango] | i hate poxies |
| 13:12.03 | SlayerXP | news now WFM |
| 13:12.10 | wethrin | The guy who runs ours is on IRC. This is useful |
| 13:12.16 | mozrat | and now nws |
| 13:12.21 | mozrat | news. phew! |
| 13:12.29 | wethrin | Right. Lunchtime. |
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| 13:57.30 | rdancer | just for a record, it's not a good practice to name a filesystem '/' |
| 13:57.37 | rdancer | hi, everybody |
| 13:57.59 | pdr | er, hi rdancer |
| 13:58.14 | [Jango] | rdancer: what happens? |
| 13:58.40 | [Jango] | (i assume you are talking about winblows?) |
| 13:59.25 | rdancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.36 | rdancer | which was cool when it was mounted on / |
| 14:00.17 | rdancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.32 | rdancer | The physical size of the device is 411665 blocks |
| 14:00.32 | rdancer | Either the superblock or the partition table is likely to be corrupt! |
| 14:00.36 | rdancer | now it's mounted in /mnt/oldroot, and i spent quite a few minutes figuring out what the fuck was wrong with LVM... |
| 14:00.37 | [Jango] | :/ |
| 14:01.01 | [Jango] | i never name my filesystems i don't think..... |
| 14:01.14 | [Jango] | do you do that in fdisk? |
| 14:01.20 | rdancer | once you have a few partitions, it's nice to see which is which, in cfdisk(8) |
| 14:01.35 | rdancer | tune2fs -L foobar /dev/hda3 |
| 14:01.42 | [Jango] | rdancer: that's what a post-it not is for :) |
| 14:01.44 | [Jango] | note* |
| 14:01.50 | rdancer | hmm |
| 14:02.01 | rdancer | i prefere cfdisk |
| 14:02.09 | [Jango] | yea, cfdisk > fdisk |
| 14:02.41 | [Jango] | when you are mounting your disks, or writing your fstab, it's handy having it written somewhere other than cfdisk |
| 14:02.54 | itsbruce | [Jango]: filesystem labels allow you to change the device that a particular mountpoint will use without re-editing fstab |
| 14:03.21 | itsbruce | Which isn't much use on a home workstation but can be handy if you're writing a generic installer, for instance |
| 14:04.05 | rdancer | itsbruce: i don't understand |
| 14:04.22 | rdancer | itsbruce: you lost me somewhere after `allow you' |
| 14:04.32 | [Jango] | lol |
| 14:04.52 | [Jango] | you are saying that you can map labels to mountpoints instead of device names? |
| 14:04.57 | [Jango] | (within fstab) |
| 14:05.10 | Leeds | itsbruce: strange - I would always look at mounting in the other direction - mountpoints don't use devices, devices use mountpoints |
| 14:05.17 | itsbruce | Instead of doing 'mount /dev/device /mountpoint', you can do 'mount -L label /mountpoint' |
| 14:05.46 | itsbruce | Leeds: to be accurate, neither use either. It's the mount program. |
| 14:06.04 | Leeds | itsbruce: well, yes... but you know what I mean |
| 14:06.30 | rdancer | wow, it's possible to say LABEL=Boot /boot instead of /dev/hda2 /boot, in /etc/fstab 8-) |
| 14:06.57 | itsbruce | Leeds: But since mount will let you get away with giving just a device OR a mountpoint if there's a matching entry in fstab, either illusion is valid |
| 14:07.22 | Leeds | very true |
| 14:07.33 | rdancer | still, grub will need the partition numbers? |
| 14:08.05 | itsbruce | rdancer: re LABEL=boot Indeed. Which is handy as long as you stick to the few fs that support labels (ext2, ext3, xfs) |
| 14:08.12 | itsbruce | Grub doesn't read /etc/fstab |
| 14:08.24 | [Jango] | does reiser support labels? |
| 14:08.39 | itsbruce | In grub, all paths are relative to the base of a partition's filesystem |
| 14:09.31 | itsbruce | [Jango]: Yes, in fact |
| 14:21.32 | rdancer | itsbruce: grub supports ext2, so it could support labels |
| 14:22.29 | rdancer | in fact, the label/uuid support would be rather trivial, compared to a file retrieval |
| 14:37.54 | itsbruce | rdancer: it would make no sense for grub to support lablels. That would require the first stage loader to scan all the hardware looking for filesystems and then scanning them |
| 14:38.05 | itsbruce | Which would be daft. |
| 14:39.49 | Cope | hi bruce |
| 14:41.19 | itsbruce | Lo, Steve |
| 14:45.27 | Leeds | now this is where I wish I'd got around to trying to setup wake-on-LAN for machines at home... I want to grab a document from home, and print it at work, but the machine is turned off... I could just go home, but then the printer is at work... |
| 14:46.35 | gregj | anyone seen pawel ? |
| 14:46.49 | gregj | I need his email addr, can't find it in my addr book |
| 14:46.52 | Leeds | not for a few days |
| 14:48.48 | Leeds | ibot seen pawel |
| 14:48.53 | ibot | pawel <~pawel@client-82-14-88-56.brhm.adsl.virgin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 3d 22h 59m 23s ago, saying: 'gregj: hi. :)'. |
| 14:50.01 | evangineer | Leeds, about this printer abuse. You wouldn't happen to be printing off a particular pdf by any chance? |
| 14:52.19 | Leeds | evangineer: yes, but not that one :-) |
| 14:52.29 | Leeds | hmm... must print that one... |
| 14:53.10 | Leeds | I was actually printing a nice 16-page weekly edition of the Israel newspaper I read online |
| 14:54.58 | JAV | good afternoon |
| 14:56.03 | itsbruce | Hmm. Whever packaged screen for OpenBSD set it to go "Woof! Woof!" as a visual bell |
| 14:57.06 | Leeds | itsbruce: you know screen has at least 2, probably more, sets of error/warning messages? |
| 14:58.06 | Leeds | evangineer: it printed in A4 :-( I need to get it to print A3... |
| 15:00.26 | Cope | itsbruce: solaris one does that too. |
| 15:01.14 | itsbruce | Leeds: centre pages, is it? |
| 15:02.45 | Leeds | itsbruce: ? |
| 15:06.46 | itsbruce | Well, if it really needs to go onto AÂ3 |
| 15:07.36 | Leeds | what I've got is a letter-sized PDF, which I want to print full-page on A3 |
| 15:08.34 | JAV | Leeds: acrobat reader does it |
| 15:08.49 | itsbruce | Never mind, daft joke |
| 15:09.54 | Leeds | JAV: I tried that, but it printed A4 |
| 15:10.23 | evangineer | Leeds, talking about pdfs I've been trying to programmatically fill in a pdf form. The main hitch is that an owner password has been set, stopping me from querying the form fields that need to be populated. |
| 15:10.25 | JAV | page setup... paper A3 |
| 15:10.49 | JAV | print.... expand small pages to paper size |
| 15:11.06 | Leeds | Jango: yup, that's what I did... I have to print to file, then print the file on another machine... |
| 15:12.28 | evangineer | beware of the tab completion! ;-) |
| 15:13.11 | Leeds | argh! |
| 15:13.13 | JAV | :D |
| 15:14.57 | JAV | pdftops -paper A3 ? |
| 15:27.00 | JAV | no idea of pdf forms |
| 15:28.05 | Leeds | right, I now have 2 A4 copies... |
| 15:28.12 | JAV | heh |
| 15:28.31 | Leeds | lets try the pdftops version |
| 15:30.12 | Leeds | hmm... I now have another A4 copy, but printed on A3 :-) |
| 15:30.44 | JAV | evangineer: kghostview lets you to print protected pdf (maybe a hint) |
| 15:30.58 | Leeds | so pdftops correctly set the paper size, but didn't blow up the content |
| 15:32.13 | JAV | check first the output with gv :D |
| 15:32.31 | Leeds | it's not my paper or ink :-) |
| 15:32.47 | JAV | printing party! |
| 15:32.52 | Leeds | s/ink/toner/whatever colour lasers use/ |
| 15:33.08 | JAV | A3 colour lasers :)~ |
| 15:33.43 | Leeds | indeed... why else would I be abusing it? |
| 15:34.26 | JAV | -expand |
| 15:34.26 | JAV | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.26 | JAV | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.56 | Leeds | ah! |
| 15:36.06 | Leeds | see, my problem was that I'd looked at pdf2ps and given up |
| 15:36.25 | Leeds | pdf2ps is part of the ghostscript bundle - pdftops is more related to xpdf |
| 15:36.58 | JAV | very useful with duplex printing (when paper & ink is yours) :D |
| 15:37.32 | Leeds | hmm... no expand option to my pdftops - which version do you have? |
| 15:37.41 | [Jango] | heh, i'm reading a document on security and the need to make complicated passwords more user-friendly |
| 15:37.54 | [Jango] | i wonder if these people know that i have a file called passwords in /home/daniel |
| 15:37.59 | [Jango] | :) |
| 15:38.58 | JAV | Leeds: ii xpdf-utils 3.00-12 Portable Document Format (PDF) suite |
| 15:39.40 | Leeds | pdftops version 2.02 |
| 15:39.43 | Leeds | that would explain it |
| 15:42.07 | Leeds | last try, then I give up wasting company resources for a bit |
| 15:43.23 | Leeds | that works :-) JAV, I owe you one... |
| 15:43.43 | evangineer | JAV, tried kghostview. I tried saving to a copy and printing to a pdf. The saved copy still needs an owner password and the pdf print output doesn't have the form field info intact. |
| 15:47.37 | JAV | Leeds: your welcome :) |
| 15:47.53 | evangineer | the really annoying thing is that the PDF is an official Companies House form. I just want to be able to fill it in programmatically rather than using a gui. |
| 15:48.34 | rdancer | evangineer: brutforce rulez! |
| 15:49.37 | JAV | evangineer: pdftops can handle forms as i see, but passwords... that's another problem |
| 15:51.14 | SlayerXP | when I was young an immature (and running a BBS), I'd make likely sized password protectedzip files named as though they contained warez games and let people download them |
| 15:51.18 | evangineer | I tried pdftops last night, it requires the pdf form to be split into separate pages which I can't do without the verdammt password! |
| 15:51.32 | rdancer | itsbruce: fs support is a stage1.5 thing. it would make a sense to specify stage1.5 using the partition addressing, and everything beyond using the fs addressing -- wherever you use paths, you could use label/uuid instead of the partition number |
| 15:53.56 | JAV | convert it to ps and then add forms yourself is not a solution, isn't it? :D |
| 15:55.10 | evangineer | JAV, I've converted it to ps before, but how would I add the forms? |
| 15:55.42 | JAV | acrobat something i guess |
| 15:55.45 | JAV | distiller? |
| 15:55.51 | Leeds | http://www.alaskanalpineclub.org/IceWall/04-05IceWall1.html |
| 15:56.01 | JAV | look at doc properties |
| 15:58.32 | evangineer | JAV, I don't have access to Mac or Windows, let alone Distiller |
| 15:58.55 | SlayerXP | i have acrobat installed |
| 16:01.52 | evangineer | SlayerXP, Acrobat Pro? |
| 16:02.03 | itsbruce | rdancer: That would still require Grub to scan devices. As grub is currently done, the 1.5 loader is simply used to parse the filesystem on the specified fs |
| 16:02.20 | SlayerXP | evangineer: errm pass, acrobat 5 |
| 16:02.37 | SlayerXP | but it's the full box set, not just the reader |
| 16:02.43 | SlayerXP | in theory I can do fancy form stuff |
| 16:02.52 | evangineer | ah, that's what I meant |
| 16:02.54 | itsbruce | What you propose would require the boot loader to scan all boot devices for possible filesystems and read their labels. It's a waste. |
| 16:04.06 | itsbruce | The reason grub tries to understand filesystems is so that you don't have to keep patching it with absolute disk addresses. It's an addition of complexity for a significant ease-of-use gain |
| 16:04.50 | evangineer | SlayerXP, do you think you can do anything useful with http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/forms/llp/llp2.pdf |
| 16:04.56 | itsbruce | But making the boot loader scan for possible filesystems would be extra complexity for worse performance and little benefit |
| 16:04.59 | SlayerXP | lessee |
| 16:05.35 | evangineer | SlayerXP, you might need to convert it to PS first (as JAV suggested) and then add back in the forms. |
| 16:07.06 | rdancer | itsbruce: isn't much different from doing cat (hdN,M)+1, for all valid N,M |
| 16:08.31 | rdancer | itsbruce: i think you've got a point, and at the same time i think we're going to see this feature in the future |
| 16:08.36 | SlayerXP | impressive |
| 16:08.41 | itsbruce | rdancer: The difference is that you do that from the full OS, with its resources |
| 16:08.45 | SlayerXP | acrobat won't open one of its own .ps files |
| 16:09.21 | rdancer | itsbruce: lbl & friends seem to be a niche, though |
| 16:09.47 | itsbruce | Not all fs have them |
| 16:10.23 | itsbruce | Frankly, I thought it was going over the top when they added network capabilities to grub |
| 16:10.39 | itsbruce | That's what PXE is for. |
| 16:10.54 | [Jango] | can anyone else get to news.bbc.co.uk ? |
| 16:11.01 | rdancer | itsbruce: grub does include a pxe loader, iirc |
| 16:11.06 | SlayerXP | "This PostScript file was created from an encrypted PDF file. |
| 16:11.07 | SlayerXP | Redistilling encrypted PDF is not permitted." |
| 16:11.13 | Leeds | [Jango]: yes |
| 16:11.19 | itsbruce | Jango: aye. Arthur Miller is dead. |
| 16:11.21 | rdancer | PING newswww.bbc.net.uk (212.58.226.40) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 16:11.22 | rdancer | 64 bytes from news.bbc.co.uk (212.58.226.40): icmp_seq=1 ttl=117 time=15.3 ms |
| 16:11.22 | rdancer | 64 bytes from news.bbc.co.uk (212.58.226.40): icmp_seq=2 ttl=117 time=14.5 ms |
| 16:11.23 | rdancer | --- newswww.bbc.net.uk ping statistics --- |
| 16:11.23 | rdancer | 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms |
| 16:11.24 | [Jango] | hmm |
| 16:11.25 | rdancer | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 14.514/14.917/15.321/0.421 ms |
| 16:11.28 | rdancer | oh |
| 16:11.28 | evangineer | SlayerXP, thanks for trying |
| 16:11.29 | [Jango] | maybe the proxy here is bruck |
| 16:11.49 | evangineer | in the meantime, arghh! |
| 16:12.14 | wethrin | TURN OFF THE PORN AND STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER |
| 16:12.40 | rdancer | wtf is AM? |
| 16:12.59 | wethrin | Amplitude Modulation |
| 16:13.10 | wethrin | Or Ante Meridien (sp?) |
| 16:14.01 | rdancer | 16:11 < itsbruce> Jango: aye. Arthur Miller is dead. |
| 16:14.13 | wethrin | Arthur Miller? |
| 16:14.34 | Leeds | yes, he's dead Jim |
| 16:14.35 | rdancer | never heard about that guy |
| 16:15.23 | itsbruce | Too late now |
| 16:16.08 | wethrin | rdancer: Playwright |
| 16:16.32 | [Jango] | what did he right? |
| 16:16.34 | [Jango] | write* |
| 16:16.36 | [Jango] | bah |
| 16:17.43 | itsbruce | The Crucible, Death of a Salesman... |
| 16:18.00 | itsbruce | Marilyn Monroe's name on a toilet wall |
| 16:18.19 | rdancer | i know, google told me. |
| 16:18.24 | SlayerXP | oooh |
| 16:18.39 | rdancer | is he somewhat known to general public in .uk? |
| 16:18.48 | itsbruce | Only those over a certain age |
| 16:18.55 | SlayerXP | evangineer: it looks horrible, but I think I might have something for you |
| 16:19.00 | wethrin | I know of him. Does that make me old? |
| 16:19.13 | itsbruce | But most of "The great and good" are over that age |
| 16:19.15 | rdancer | wethrin: apparently yes 8-) |
| 16:19.42 | itsbruce | Dan: maybe you're a young fogey |
| 16:19.53 | wethrin | Damn |
| 16:19.55 | wethrin | Yes, I am |
| 16:20.27 | Leeds | I would think most people have heard the name, even if it didn't mean much to them |
| 16:21.16 | SlayerXP | okay,. maybe I don't |
| 16:23.27 | evangineer | SlayerXP, I'm currently looking into ways that xpdf and ghostscript can be used to bypass pdf security |
| 16:23.54 | SlayerXP | evangineer: i exported it to a .ps file then ran ps2ps on it |
| 16:24.11 | SlayerXP | i got the data back (just about) but I can't seem to re-import the form data |
| 16:24.57 | evangineer | yes, I noticed that converting to ps, seems to throw away the form data. so you have to effectively add the forms back in. |
| 16:25.36 | SlayerXP | i managed to export the form data (allegedly) |
| 16:25.59 | evangineer | hmm, |
| 16:26.13 | evangineer | do you have pdftk installed? |
| 16:27.17 | SlayerXP | i don't think so |
| 16:27.21 | SlayerXP | never heard of it |
| 16:27.30 | evangineer | what are the comparative sizes of your before and after ps files? |
| 16:28.37 | evangineer | pdftk is in debian, it allows you to various things with pdfs but is restricted by the lack of an owner password. |
| 16:28.55 | SlayerXP | evangineer: much bigger |
| 16:29.01 | evangineer | hmm |
| 16:30.36 | evangineer | SlayerXP, so you could do a ps2pdf on your after file, then try pdftk newpdf.pdf dump_data_fields. |
| 16:31.05 | SlayerXP | is the form data kept in the ps file? |
| 16:31.38 | evangineer | apparently there is such a thing as postscript forms, so the form data might be preserved. |
| 16:31.46 | SlayerXP | okay, sec. |
| 16:31.49 | evangineer | depends on the converters used |
| 16:32.19 | evangineer | any one of them could be throwing away the form data |
| 16:34.30 | SlayerXP | mute:~# ps2pdf try3.ps |
| 16:34.30 | SlayerXP | This PostScript file was created from an encrypted PDF file. |
| 16:34.30 | SlayerXP | Redistilling encrypted PDF is not permitted. |
| 16:35.33 | evangineer | bah! |
| 16:36.34 | Leeds | SlayerXP: this is ghostscript's ps2pdf? |
| 16:36.45 | SlayerXP | yes |
| 16:36.59 | rdancer | seriously, what's wrong with bruteforcing the password? |
| 16:37.17 | Leeds | in which case the question is *can* it not do what you're asking, or is it just choosing not to do so? |
| 16:37.41 | SlayerXP | pass. |
| 16:37.57 | rdancer | (a) |
| 16:40.17 | evangineer | Leeds, from the reading I've been doing, it seems more likely that it's choosing not to do so. |
| 16:42.08 | evangineer | Adobe's PDF security model is based to some degree on other vendors respecting it rather than really strong crypto. Although the crypto is much stronger than it was when Skylarov did his infamous ebook cracking. |
| 16:42.39 | [Jango] | the great thing about irc is that you don't notice the lag of your internet connectin |
| 16:43.41 | evangineer | hmm, "the document previewer bundled with Mac OS X allows one to strip the security features from a PDF automatically simply by printing the document to a Postscript file and redistilling it." |
| 16:44.23 | SlayerXP | ps2ps strips it out |
| 16:44.30 | SlayerXP | the problem is that resulting PDF looks crap |
| 16:44.42 | SlayerXP | and I have no idea who to import the form data |
| 16:44.54 | SlayerXP | acrobat on windows (apparently) does nothing |
| 16:51.05 | evangineer | I've just found http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Adobe/Gallery/pdfdecrypt.pl |
| 16:51.26 | evangineer | going to see if that does anything useful |
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| 18:12.52 | rdancer | fstype for cdrom should be auto, not iso9660, in /etc/fstab -- true? |
| 18:50.12 | itsbruce | No, I always do iso9660 |
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| 19:19.05 | itsbruce | Hang on, catalysts aren't supposed to change |
| 19:20.16 | evangineer | Microsoft in "not interested in interoperability" shock http://blog.ianbicking.org/microsoft-interoperability.html |
| 19:23.54 | gregj | evangineer: nihil novi |
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| 19:41.25 | fromfc2deb | what is the equivalent debian package to fedora's mplayerplug-in?? |
| 19:45.38 | itsbruce | Plugin for what? |
| 19:46.29 | itsbruce | Besides, mplayer isn't in the official debian archives, iirc |
| 19:46.48 | itsbruce | There'll be an unofficial deb on the net somewhere |
| 19:47.14 | fromfc2deb | to achieve this on debian: http://www.fedorafaq.org/#browsermovies |
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| 22:21.02 | JAV | hello |
| 22:30.00 | evangineer | pdfdecrypt.pl worked (sort of) |
| 22:31.36 | evangineer | it generated a decrypted version of the pdf, but the output isn't very clean. The fieldnames are scrambled and it can crash acroread |
| 22:32.52 | evangineer | which means I can't generate a sample filled in form to template for scripted pdf form filling |
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| 22:52.08 | JAV | a .ps is a text file, I wonder how difficult will be to find the code that tells it's protected |
| 22:53.26 | JAV | pdftops output is very ofuscated i guess |
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