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08:53.12 | Leeds | Ang`ill`Child: not well? |
08:53.19 | Ang`ill`Child | how'd you ever guess? |
08:53.35 | Ang`ill`Child | it's annoying me now, I've been coughing for over a week and I'm behind on so much work >.< |
08:54.23 | Leeds | ugh |
08:54.36 | Ang`ill`Child | I quite miss being able to sleep |
08:54.41 | Leeds | I blame morsing |
08:54.45 | Ang`ill`Child | and being able to taste food |
08:55.09 | Leeds | are you up to the point where the jerking of your head while you cough has given you a headache? |
08:56.09 | Ang`ill`Child | nope, i passed that point a couple of days ago, but it does feel unpleasantly like vomitting half the time |
08:56.23 | Leeds | ugh again... |
08:56.28 | Leeds | well, sympathy... |
08:57.01 | Ang`ill`Child | thank you but i'd rather I were well instead >.< |
08:57.10 | Leeds | trust me, it could be worse |
08:57.31 | Ang`ill`Child | true |
08:57.35 | Ang`ill`Child | but it could be better :P |
08:58.42 | Ang`ill`Child | ouchies |
08:59.15 | Leeds | heh... how's that for some oneupmanship? :-) |
09:00.10 | Ang`ill`Child | ...owned |
09:00.28 | Ang`ill`Child | but still, I wish i could sleep >.< |
09:00.39 | Leeds | yeah, I know... not trying to belittle your illness |
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09:01.34 | Leeds | and I really should get my little stuffed animals out - the ones which used to sit on my monitor at work - and set them up at home... monkey, penguin, and gecko |
09:02.04 | Ang`ill`Child | :) |
09:02.06 | Leeds | (Ximian, Slackware and SuSE) |
09:02.20 | Ang`ill`Child | helpdesk in our undergrad labs has a plush tux!!!!!!!! |
09:02.32 | Ang`ill`Child | bye o/ |
09:03.09 | Leeds | dunno if it's still there, but there used to be a webcam on a public, but internal, BBC support site, showing a large tux in the corner of their office :-) |
09:04.35 | Ang`ill`Child | heh :) |
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09:28.20 | mozrat | morning |
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09:43.10 | mozrat | morning MAB |
09:46.45 | SlayerXP | morning |
09:47.59 | SlayerXP | i suppose bottom posting html crap is a one step improvement |
09:48.35 | mozrat | heh |
09:48.54 | mozrat | Maybe I should send him a gmail invite. that doesn't offend the list too muc |
09:49.01 | mozrat | and does sane quoting of emails |
09:50.23 | SlayerXP | i didn't bother to mentioning trimming quoted text, maybe I should have |
09:53.07 | mozrat | He'd appreciate the feedback |
09:56.52 | SlayerXP | i think that would be a little bit OTT to do on the list. |
09:56.58 | SlayerXP | feel free to do so yourself, though :) |
09:57.21 | SlayerXP | lynda->(station); |
10:10.13 | ufo_ | Hi moz :) |
10:10.21 | ufo_ | Hi guys |
10:10.37 | mozrat | hi Marcin |
10:15.53 | SlayerXP | fg |
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10:40.41 | SlayerXP | http://www.bash.org/?464385 |
10:43.42 | wethrin | Morning |
10:43.56 | itsbruce | Lo |
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11:14.52 | Jen23 | Hi - Did any of you guys go to fosdem? |
11:15.50 | Leeds | yup |
11:15.58 | Leeds | a few of us :-) |
11:17.21 | wethrin | Yup |
11:17.30 | Leeds | Jen23: so, to confirm, you have a mobile with the bluetooth name set to Jennifer, right? :-) |
11:17.37 | wethrin | Heh |
11:18.46 | Jen23 | Why? |
11:18.46 | Jen23 | Hi Wethrin. Did you get home last night? |
11:18.46 | Jen23 | Sure |
11:18.47 | Jen23 | wethrin: Do you think he's had enough ;-) |
11:19.24 | wethrin | I did. Just before 1am |
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11:22.16 | wethrin | Jen23: Nah :-) |
11:22.23 | wethrin | Jen23: What time did you get home? |
11:23.06 | Jen23 | About 11:30pm |
11:23.32 | wethrin | That's not too bad |
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11:53.31 | mozrat | Ang`ill`Child, you're ill? |
11:53.44 | Ang`ill`Child | you're the second person to notice :P |
11:53.53 | mozrat | :( |
11:54.32 | Ang`ill`Child | logically comp eng gives me more choices in life after uni but compsci would fit my frame of mind better and i suspect i'd get more out of the course |
11:54.50 | Ang`ill`Child | pfah |
11:55.05 | Ang`ill`Child | also, coughing til your chest hurts ain't fun >:/ |
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12:01.38 | Leeds | Ang`ill`Child: assuming you're planning to work after your degree, I can't see it honestly making that much difference - so you should go for what you think you'll enjoy more and do better at |
12:02.07 | Ang`ill`Child | hmm, I suppose |
12:07.34 | Leeds | a significant minority - if not a majority - of the people I've worked with over the past few years have no computing qualification at all - although with the growth of people studying computing, that may become less common |
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12:08.15 | Leeds | the only place the precise form of your computing degree is likely to matter is the first 2 minutes of your first interview (for any particular graduate job) |
12:08.19 | Leeds | morning pdr |
12:08.35 | pdr | morning leeds |
12:08.41 | pdr | how was fosdem? |
12:09.49 | Leeds | 'twas fun |
12:10.29 | Ang`ill`Child | goody goody |
12:11.31 | Leeds | didn't go to an enormous amount of conference sessions... did drink a little too much... did watch other people drink far too much |
12:22.50 | Leeds | argh |
12:23.30 | pdr | i'm just finding out today what happened on friday night |
12:23.53 | Leeds | ? |
12:24.13 | Leeds | cups wants glibc 2.2 - maybe it's time I thought about fixing that little obselete detail on my server |
12:26.25 | pdr | heh |
12:27.55 | [Jango] | what glibc do you have? |
12:28.14 | Leeds | so I was feeling lazy last night (that's new!) and got a cab back from Hendon to home - cost £3.50 so not exactly a fortune... |
12:28.48 | Leeds | went to the cab office by the station, was followed in by a couple - I know the bloke, we got chatting... mentioned I'd just been away, to Brussels for the weekend... so had they :-) |
12:28.54 | Leeds | [Jango]: 2.1.3 |
12:29.31 | Leeds | the OS install is nearly 5 years old on that machine |
12:29.53 | SlayerXP | Leeds: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
12:29.56 | Leeds | glibc is one of the very very few things which I'm scared to just go upgrade |
12:30.30 | Leeds | SlayerXP: I said the OS install was 5 years old - I didn't say I was using the very latest stable Debian, although I could see how you'd make that connection |
12:30.52 | George | yoyo Leeds |
12:31.07 | George | Leeds: just had the IT support dudes over to look at my network socket... they said Solaris beyond v. 6 sucked :) |
12:31.09 | Leeds | afternoon Georgy |
12:31.35 | [Jango] | i think i must have 2.3.4 |
12:31.37 | George | then they said that they hated Linux because it changed all the 'C's to 'K's |
12:31.38 | SlayerXP | # georgy-pordgy pudding and pie, he kissed the girls and make them cry |
12:31.57 | Leeds | yuo know... I don't think I'd take the advice of a school IT bod when it comes to enterprise software |
12:32.02 | SlayerXP | # when the boys came out to play, he kissed them too; our georgie's bi |
12:32.04 | George | hehe |
12:32.21 | Leeds | SlayerXP: :-) |
12:39.12 | mozrat | Anyone ever heard of machines using Kerberos to authenticate themselves against Squid? |
12:39.16 | mozrat | is that possible? |
12:40.12 | Leeds | mmm... £46 return Luton->Budapest in May... |
12:43.59 | JAV | hello |
12:44.20 | Leeds | JAV: good afternoon |
12:46.58 | SlayerXP | mozrat: if it's not been done, I imagine it's doable. |
12:47.10 | SlayerXP | squid's auth-plugin stuff is pretty flexible |
12:47.21 | mozrat | SlayerXP, reading some bits about it the challenge seems to be getting the client to pass it's kerberos ticket |
12:47.31 | mozrat | as in the browser |
12:47.50 | SlayerXP | pass |
12:48.04 | mozrat | SlayerXP, yeah |
13:07.13 | itsbruce | mozrat: Squid can do PAM authentication, there are pam modules for krb4 and krb5, therefore Squid can do Kerberos |
13:07.43 | itsbruce | But the browser side? Hmmm.... |
13:09.33 | mozrat | itsbruce, probably would work with Windows clients (although there is already ntlm_auth) for that but we have kerberosised Macs which won't pass the ticket through Safari |
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13:10.49 | itsbruce | In which case your only hope would be putting some kind of authentication proxy between them and squid |
13:11.17 | mozrat | *nods* |
13:11.44 | mozrat | they can use plain auth in the OS X system properties but asking users to set their passwords "is too hard" |
13:11.49 | mozrat | grrrr |
13:12.47 | itsbruce | Shame, because OSX has no-brainer Kerberos support otherwise |
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13:13.09 | mozrat | yeah, it's not bad at all.. we've had some issues with it though |
13:13.25 | itsbruce | That is Kerberos all over. |
13:22.45 | itsbruce | Re Fosdem - which silly bugger scheduled the GFS talk to run immediately after Alasdair's talk but in the building furthest away from his? |
13:28.38 | mozrat | http://jef.raskincenter.org/home/index.html |
13:28.45 | pdr | MacLeeds: cool co-incidence |
13:28.45 | mozrat | Apple employee 33 |
13:30.08 | pdr | #31 apparently |
13:32.27 | wethrin | itsbruce: Presumably the organisers |
13:55.26 | George | hrmm, not good |
13:55.51 | itsbruce | wethrin: It's just that half of the audience for his talk wanted to see the GFS one. As did he. |
13:55.52 | George | my secondary monitor is showing lots of red dots all over it. |
13:56.11 | wethrin | Hrm |
13:56.12 | itsbruce | I left early for the GFS talk because I didn't need to see the live demo. |
13:56.19 | wethrin | Fair enough |
14:02.37 | itsbruce | And then Alisdair and a mob of puffing geeks fell through the door about 20 minutes in. |
14:03.05 | wethrin | Puffing geeks. That's just a disturbing picture |
14:08.27 | George | *groan* |
14:08.43 | wethrin | Ha |
14:10.22 | itsbruce | wethrin: Well, it was less ugly than the puffing geeks following Rafael's gf around. |
14:10.34 | wethrin | Is she hot? |
14:11.30 | George | ok, that's sorted |
14:11.36 | George | a pin was bent on my DVI cable |
14:11.40 | George | and it was shorting against another pin :( |
14:12.20 | wethrin | Fix it, then |
14:12.27 | George | I have done... |
14:12.38 | itsbruce | wethrin: No, but she wears thigh-length leather boots and miniskirts |
14:12.51 | wethrin | Mmm.... |
14:12.54 | MacLeeds | ah, her |
14:13.04 | wethrin | Although hot girls are better |
14:13.05 | itsbruce | And these are geeks, so it doesn't take much. |
14:13.40 | wethrin | Just someone with tits :) |
14:13.53 | wethrin | Or with Jennifer as their Bluetooth ID |
14:15.05 | pdr | not all geeks are like that |
14:15.29 | wethrin | Lots of them... |
14:21.40 | eye69 | Afternoon. |
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14:28.48 | kawazu | hi... will I be toasted for OT questions around here? :) |
14:31.20 | wethrin | That depends :-) |
14:31.41 | kawazu | wethrin: depends on what? :) |
14:32.06 | wethrin | On the question |
14:32.20 | itsbruce | Well, we'd have to find a topic for you to be OT from, for a start |
14:33.30 | pdr | kawazu: you're more likely to get toasted for asking something *on* topic |
14:33.40 | kawazu | hmmmm... I am about to... well, travel to London in the middle of 03/2005, and I want to see some good places of the city other than the "usual" tourist attractions. Since I'm also a LUG'er (though in Dresden, Germany) and always experienced LUG people to be openminded and kind, I was hoping some of you could give me some hints on that (at least those that won't kill me here :))... |
14:34.02 | wethrin | itsbruce: The topic is about the next meeting :-) |
14:34.09 | wethrin | So if we're not discussing that, then we're OT |
14:34.28 | wethrin | kawazu: What are you interested in? |
14:37.42 | kawazu | wethrin: mainly in all sorts of what some might want to call "underground" culture, like smaller museums / art collections, experimental music / theatre, also places that are somewhat related to computers or "networked society" (know about ascii in amsterdam?)... |
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14:50.18 | wethrin | No.... |
14:51.12 | pdr | kawazu: try http://london.openguides.org/, http://engineer.openguides.org/, http://www.timeout.com/london/ |
14:51.39 | kawazu | wethrin: www.scii.nl ... :) |
14:51.58 | wethrin | ah |
14:51.59 | itsbruce | kawazu: You could do worse than subscribe to NTK. It's a weekely newsletter that (amongst other things) carries announcements about all kinds of alternative tech events |
14:52.11 | Leeds | fortnightly |
14:52.13 | itsbruce | http://www.ntk.net/ |
14:52.29 | itsbruce | Leeds: weekly, surely |
14:52.48 | Leeds | nope |
14:53.13 | pdr | yeah, fortnightly, although i haven't been subscribed for years |
14:53.17 | itsbruce | Ach, mebbe you're right. I'm sure it was at some point. Still says so on the site but the dates tell otherwise |
14:53.28 | kawazu | itsbruce, pdr: thanks loads. :) that's pretty much what I was searching for; all the travel guides money can pay here in Germany pretty much suck when it comes to those things... |
14:53.30 | Leeds | it was weekly... they got bored |
14:53.36 | wethrin | I think they went to fortnightly when nothing much was happening |
14:53.39 | itsbruce | Even so, the website is useful in itself |
14:54.37 | Leeds | yes |
15:03.19 | kawazu | "the tourist engineer - just because you're on holiday doesn't mean you're not a geek" - that is _brilliant (though my girlfriend will surely kill me for that... ) ;)) |
15:45.41 | George | Leeds: ping |
16:09.17 | SlayerXP | <[Elvis]> hej, is there a udp client for debian? |
16:09.36 | eye69 | SlayerXP: nc? :) |
16:09.50 | eye69 | I'd say that's a general "UDP client". |
16:57.33 | Jen23 | George: Where do you get it from? |
16:58.10 | George | ? |
17:00.57 | Jen23 | Your quotes? |
17:04.41 | George | what quotes? |
17:05.13 | Jen23 | <SlayerXP> <[Elvis]> hej, is there a udp client for debian? |
17:05.48 | George | what's that got to do with me? |
17:06.10 | Jen23 | Ahh... It wasn't you then :-) |
17:06.17 | Jen23 | I need my glasses |
17:10.46 | wethrin | George is SlayerXP? |
17:10.51 | wethrin | One can only wish! |
17:11.12 | SlayerXP | my ears were on fire |
17:11.23 | wethrin | Oh. Pour water over them |
17:12.17 | Jen23 | Sorry |
17:12.29 | SlayerXP | pants |
17:12.30 | SlayerXP | brb |
17:12.44 | Jen23 | Did I scare him? |
17:13.48 | evangineer | unlikely |
17:14.23 | Jen23 | I scared Leeds :-) |
17:15.15 | wethrin | :) |
17:15.25 | Jen23 | Mmm... Sun Fire V20Z |
17:19.58 | itsbruce | It's a neat trick, scaring them both |
17:21.41 | George | wethrin: y'wot? |
17:23.19 | itsbruce | Martin in particular is, well, robust in debate. And hard to derail. |
17:24.57 | wethrin | I wot? |
17:25.25 | itsbruce | At one point at FOSDEM, morsing, Leeds and I were all sat at the same table and it only lacked SlayerXP for the full AIX good/AIX bad/Solaris rules/Sparcs are doorsteps/ routine |
17:25.39 | wethrin | Heh |
17:25.48 | wethrin | Pity, really |
17:26.13 | itsbruce | For full marks, we should have gotten online and flamed each other from a few feet away |
17:26.15 | Jen23 | :-) |
17:26.27 | itsbruce | Which some people were doing at the pub on the first night |
17:26.28 | Jen23 | AIX rules |
17:26.28 | wethrin | No, that would have been silly. There was beer. |
17:26.54 | wethrin | I have some problem with people IRCing from a pub. It's just wrong. |
17:27.07 | itsbruce | wethrin: At the Roy d'Espagne, I kid you not, there were people too busy IRCing to drink |
17:27.17 | wethrin | ! |
17:27.30 | wethrin | I'm glad I didn't associate with those people, then |
17:28.41 | itsbruce | Don't look so smug, you associate with us. |
17:28.45 | wethrin | Why would someone IRC when there are people to (shock, horror) talk to? |
17:28.54 | wethrin | itsbruce: Yes, but you're Good People, and drink beer in pubs |
17:31.03 | itsbruce | wethrin: They would say "Why would someone talk to people in a pub when there are people on IRC?" |
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17:31.42 | wethrin | itsbruce: But they're wrong. They could sit at home and IRC |
17:31.55 | wethrin | GAH. FUCKING WINDOWS! |
17:33.15 | wethrin | Have to fucking reboot because software is shit |
17:34.59 | itsbruce | See, now, you get in trouble if you shout that aloud in a pub |
17:35.37 | Jen23 | Is rhowe not in yet? |
17:38.51 | wethrin | HOW FUCKING SHIT. I have to reboot *again* |
17:41.04 | Jen23 | wethrin: You didn't reboot the first time... |
17:44.05 | wethrin | Jen23: I did |
17:44.10 | wethrin | You just didn't see it |
17:45.31 | Jen23 | Or is it not the computer you use for IRC? |
17:45.35 | wethrin | Nope |
17:45.45 | wethrin | Of course I don't use Windows for IRC |
17:45.50 | wethrin | Hmm. I wonder why this CD isn't burning properly. Maybe because Nero is a FUCKING PILE OF WANK |
17:48.41 | Jen23 | k3b? |
17:51.51 | pdr | you don't seem terribly happy dan |
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17:54.07 | wethrin | Jen23: Not under Windows |
17:54.21 | wethrin | pdr: No. I'm hungry, I need to go to the supermarket, and I'm trying to do a simple task of burning a CD |
17:54.59 | pdr | :-( |
17:55.03 | pdr | anyway, i'm off to class |
17:55.04 | pdr | later |
17:55.08 | wethrin | cya |
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18:25.36 | Eeyore | does anyone have experience of detecting or preventing SYN flood attacks? |
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18:42.20 | evangineer | Eeyore, iirc, there's a kernel parameter that can be tweaked |
18:42.32 | evangineer | on 2.4 kernels or better |
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19:18.12 | Eeyore | for tcp timeouts? |
19:20.18 | evangineer | Eeyore, waitasec |
19:24.52 | evangineer | since the 2.0.36 kernel there's been a CONFIG_SYN_COOKIES constant defined which protects against SYN flood attacks |
19:25.00 | evangineer | Eeyore, ^ |
19:35.50 | Eeyore | i think our firewall already uses SYN cookies |
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20:27.49 | evangineer | Eeyore, have you identified the ips that the flood attack is coming from? You could use iptables to blacklist them. |
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20:50.20 | Eeyore | I am not entirely sure, either it's not a SYN flood but some other problem that looks just like a SYN flood OR it is a SYN flood and the IPs are spoofed.. |
20:50.42 | Eeyore | i haven't managed to google up anything for these errors other than a SYN flood attack |
20:52.26 | Eeyore | the errors are TCP dropped packets and TCP treason errors |
20:52.46 | Eeyore | in the kind of several 100 to 1000 a second range |
20:55.23 | mozrat_ | 'ello |
20:56.10 | mozrat_ | I'm looking at buying a virtual server.... https://www.servelocity.net/store/index.cgi/pid,14 offers a decent offer for £10 p/m but it's Fedora Core1... anyone know of a similar offer that will do a virtual debian machine? |
20:57.55 | evangineer | bytemark are 15 pm + vat, they have their own debian mirrors which don't count against your bandwidth |
20:58.46 | mozrat_ | cool.. thanks |
20:59.05 | mozrat_ | I'll pay the extra fiver a month to avoid FC1 |
20:59.07 | mozrat_ | :) |
20:59.43 | evangineer | if you sign up with bytemark, quote yang please |
20:59.54 | mozrat_ | surfe |
20:59.57 | mozrat_ | sure* |
21:00.10 | evangineer | cheers |
21:01.02 | mozrat_ | bytemark doesn't say how much bandwidth you get per month.. any idea? |
21:01.39 | mozrat_ | yes it does, I'm blind |
21:01.43 | mozrat_ | <PROTECTED> |
21:04.46 | mozrat_ | :) |
21:06.45 | mozrat_ | *ching ching* |
21:07.01 | evangineer | nice one |
21:07.07 | mozrat_ | thanks evangineer |
21:08.55 | mozrat_ | Hmmm |
21:09.01 | mozrat_ | "Thanks very much for your order. Typical time scales for order fulfilment are: |
21:09.01 | mozrat_ | Â Â Virtual Machines: Currently awaiting new hardware deliveries - hopefully by 23/02/05" |
21:09.33 | mozrat_ | I guess by the fact the 23rd was a few days ago it wasn't delivered. |
21:09.36 | mozrat_ | bum |
21:09.41 | itsbruce | They ought to have told you that before you bought |
21:09.46 | mozrat_ | yep |
21:09.55 | murb | mozrat: you could always install debian... |
21:10.01 | itsbruce | Which is worth pointing out to them |
21:10.08 | mozrat_ | on the FC1 host, murb? |
21:10.12 | murb | yep |
21:10.28 | mozrat_ | murb, coulda done.. easier to find a Debian machine though :) |
21:11.11 | itsbruce | Didn't someone do a package you could install on RH to reboot it and configure it as a Debian box? Or was that a joke? |
21:11.32 | mozrat_ | itsbruce: I've heard of it |
21:12.17 | mozrat_ | I did a reinstall of Debian remotely once following instructions on howto remotely upgrade Red Hat to Debian |
21:12.26 | mozrat_ | no doubt some clever chap could automate it |
21:12.45 | evangineer | I've seen that howto |
21:12.54 | mozrat_ | It's very clever |
21:13.11 | mozrat_ | I only did it "because I could".. it was a quiet weekend :) |
21:13.23 | evangineer | indeed |
21:13.36 | murb | itsbruce: there is always debootstrap |
21:16.38 | mozrat_ | Hmm, I feel rather deflated now. I was expecting to get it configured tonight |
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21:16.48 | mozrat_ | hello irm |
21:17.17 | Leeds | http://www.beeradvocate.com/beerfly/user_reviews/2290/ |
21:17.58 | mozrat_ | fond memories Leeds?? ;) |
21:18.26 | Leeds | mozrat_: it was fun :-) |
21:19.47 | mozrat_ | At work we're going through a HP OpenView installation at the moment.. I was interested to see that HP use a rebranded version of squirrelmail as their webmail solution |
21:20.20 | Jen23 | ~seen Jason_UKFSN |
21:20.21 | ibot | jason_ukfsn <~jason@spc1-watf3-5-0-cust248.asfd.broadband.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 53d 5h 22m 54s ago, saying: 'I'm off - wife want's to go shopping :('. |
21:20.38 | mozrat_ | thats a long shopping session |
21:20.48 | Jen23 | Why is never here anymore? |
21:20.54 | Jen23 | ^he |
21:21.02 | mozrat_ | Guess he is a busy chap |
21:21.37 | JAV | good evening |
21:21.56 | Jen23 | evening |
21:22.06 | mozrat_ | hey JAV |
21:24.37 | JAV | I've just received spam from Witham (Essex) |
21:24.48 | JAV | paper one |
21:25.24 | JAV | a 110 pages brochure www.dalebrook.com |
21:27.53 | JAV | it's funny to receive snail-mails in english |
21:28.00 | Leeds | hmm... no sign of rhowe or morsing today, right? |
21:28.57 | mozrat_ | JAV where do you live? |
21:29.28 | JAV | north of spain |
21:29.49 | mozrat_ | cool |
21:30.05 | JAV | yes, very cool now :D |
21:30.31 | JAV | 2 º |
21:30.41 | Leeds | JAV: warmer than London then |
21:35.11 | murb | about -1 or -2 here. |
21:39.20 | JAV | sooo |
21:39.32 | JAV | time to microwave pop corn |
21:40.22 | JAV | yes, my mediterranean diet is quite broken |
21:41.41 | Leeds | heh |
21:42.50 | JAV | schnitzel |
21:42.50 | JAV | <PROTECTED> |
21:43.20 | Leeds | right, except not veal or fried :-) |
21:44.10 | Leeds | rhowe: ah! |
21:44.15 | rhowe | damn dhcpd didn't like me adding two subnets without telling it about them |
21:44.30 | Leeds | rhowe: I was wondering if you'd died on the way home... it was a distinct possibility |
21:44.31 | rhowe | So I had to attach a VGA cable to the machine which has the cable to the firewall's serial console :/ |
21:44.34 | rhowe | Much irritation |
21:44.41 | rhowe | Leeds: heh, no - survived, just about :) |
21:44.49 | rhowe | Leeds: Still recovering from Saturday, though |
21:44.59 | rhowe | Leeds: Many comments at work about my zombie impression |
21:45.44 | murb | rhowe: it normally doesn't like that no.. |
21:46.11 | murb | which is quite annoying. |
21:46.19 | Leeds | rhowe: :-) |
21:46.44 | rhowe | murb: Yes. Solvable by adding entries for every possible subnet, I suppose, but not nice :P |
21:47.03 | murb | or removing some of the subnets... |
21:47.04 | rhowe | murb: I think it used to be OK, but has gotten stricter more recently. I'm sure there was once a time when it didn't complain |
21:47.19 | rhowe | murb: I'm wondering if there's a bug in the 3c59x driver I'm running |
21:47.38 | murb | I have some driver bugs related to bridging not working properly. |
21:47.47 | rhowe | murb: I have 3 cards, all on that driver. eth0 was UP, eth1 and 2 weren't (nothing connected, so no need to configure, I thought) |
21:47.50 | murb | they keep accidently leaving promisous mode. |
21:48.03 | rhowe | eth0 was working fine, but a couple of days later, it stopped passing traffic, or so it seemed |
21:48.35 | rhowe | murb: Configuring eth1 and eth2 brought things back online, but I didn't test it in a particularly controlled way. I think I just did /etc/init.d/networking restart, which would also have reconfigured eth0 |
21:48.39 | murb | I have some 3c59xs i dunno what machines they are in though. |
21:52.39 | rhowe | murb: I also bought two Soekrisen at FOSDEM :) |
21:57.18 | rhowe | Leeds: Apparently the ARM-based gateway stuff, PepLink or whatever is was called was running the network at FOSDEM |
21:57.29 | rhowe | Leeds: They kept overheating, which is why it sucked so much :P |
21:58.11 | Leeds | heh |
21:58.24 | Leeds | I did notice there was one on the desk in Janson |
22:00.59 | murb | rhowe: did you manage to ge tone *without* openbsd on cf? |
22:01.21 | rhowe | murb: It has a CF socket with no card :) |
22:01.22 | murb | the wireless at 21C3 which didn't work very well was done via Soekrise |
22:17.02 | itsbruce | rhowe: you don't *have* to tell dhcpd about a subnet if it isn't listening on that interface |
22:17.12 | itsbruce | But it's good practice even then |
22:17.56 | itsbruce | And in any case it listens to all interfaces unless you specify one or more |
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22:23.01 | rhowe | itsbruce: Ah, OK. Well I had it listening on all, but without subnet declarations :) |
22:23.15 | BobtheAvenger | hey |
22:23.21 | rhowe | itsbruce: If my network was sensible, I could've found this out easily, but I had to move hardware around :P |
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22:27.49 | itsbruce | That's a standard dhcpd gotcha but most people do it once because the docs aren't so clear on it. |
22:27.55 | itsbruce | And who reads documentation? |
22:28.45 | rhowe | Indeed :) |
22:29.05 | rhowe | I actually already knew about this, but it didn't occur to me when I was messing with the network interfaces :) |
22:29.50 | resuDaed_ | does anyone run webmin? (or atleast have miniserv.pl sitting around anywhere?) |
22:30.11 | rhowe | At work... |
22:30.25 | rhowe | Though I never use it. $boss likes it because then he doesn't have to know how things work underneath |
22:31.21 | itsbruce | Nothing wrong with a boss who doesn't understand the lower level stuff but then they shouldn't be messing with the top level stuff either |
22:31.37 | rhowe | He is required to know the lower level stuff |
22:31.43 | rhowe | Or rather, he should. |
22:31.47 | itsbruce | Ah, one of those |
22:32.01 | rhowe | There are only two of us, so we do the same job. He just has the management function too, not that he really does any manglement |
22:32.25 | rhowe | He attends the department mangler meetings and bs's about how the IT department isn't cracking at the seams :P |
22:32.28 | resuDaed_ | rhowe : or atleast the managment paycheck |
22:32.48 | rhowe | resuDaed_: That too, although I don't think it's a great deal more than I'm on |
22:33.11 | resuDaed_ | I am trying to figure out where resuDaed is logged on from |
22:33.50 | itsbruce | Is he still being investigated? |
22:33.50 | resuDaed_ | my ip, but I wasn't here 26 hours ago |
22:34.03 | resuDaed_ | or for that matter on the 24th |
22:34.49 | itsbruce | resuDaed_: your old login has been reconnecting every time it's disconnected, so check the processes on your box(es) |
22:35.10 | itsbruce | That login time will just be the last time there was a netsplit or some other timeout |
22:35.24 | resuDaed_ | even mor wierd |
22:35.53 | resuDaed_ | because the only box that hasn't been rebooted in a while is the oBSD router which hasn't even got an irc client |
22:35.58 | resuDaed_ | hmmm |
22:36.39 | resudaed | hmmm |
22:36.47 | itsbruce | I don't think it can be just an unclosed connection, as there's constant chatter between server and client |
22:36.58 | resudaed | a random disconnected screen session on an even more random box |
22:37.08 | resudaed | bye bye |
22:37.44 | rhowe | resuDaed_: Two connections from the same IRC client? Most clients allow it, even BX I expect |
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22:38.47 | resuDaed_ | rhowe : no, it was running on a box that I don't even use everyone elses box), a screen session long forgotten |
22:38.59 | rhowe | Ah |
22:39.25 | resuDaed_ | I spoke to clyphox the other day, and he had observed my presence apparantly |
22:40.45 | resuDaed_ | I have trouble sqeezing in a social life, let alone an online presence in my current job |
22:42.09 | resuDaed | wierd ... there are no csv functions in php :-S |
22:43.49 | evangineer | resuDaed, python has a csv module! |
22:45.25 | itsbruce | Also Perl. Though the utf-8 code in that is a little iffy. |
22:46.24 | itsbruce | In Text::CSV, that is |
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23:14.43 | resuDaed | evangineer : I am writing for speed -- php is mynative language |
23:19.35 | itsbruce | PHP is OK for quick results on a small scale |
23:25.19 | rhowe | hm, chest pains :/ |
23:25.20 | rhowe | bbiab |
23:26.08 | rhowe | Wrong side for my heart, probably my liver telling me FOSDEM is evil |
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