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`07:44.57`	`*** join/#gllug Jango (~Jango@pgnn.demon.co.uk)`
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`08:53.12`	`Leeds`	Ang`ill`Child: not well?
`08:53.19`	Ang`ill`Child	`how'd you ever guess?`
`08:53.35`	Ang`ill`Child	`it's annoying me now, I've been coughing for over a week and I'm behind on so much work >.<`
`08:54.23`	`Leeds`	`ugh`
`08:54.36`	Ang`ill`Child	`I quite miss being able to sleep`
`08:54.41`	`Leeds`	`I blame morsing`
`08:54.45`	Ang`ill`Child	`and being able to taste food`
`08:55.09`	`Leeds`	`are you up to the point where the jerking of your head while you cough has given you a headache?`
`08:56.09`	Ang`ill`Child	`nope, i passed that point a couple of days ago, but it does feel unpleasantly like vomitting half the time`
`08:56.23`	`Leeds`	`ugh again...`
`08:56.28`	`Leeds`	`well, sympathy...`
`08:57.01`	Ang`ill`Child	`thank you but i'd rather I were well instead >.<`
`08:57.10`	`Leeds`	`trust me, it could be worse`
`08:57.31`	Ang`ill`Child	`true`
`08:57.35`	Ang`ill`Child	`but it could be better :P`
`08:58.42`	Ang`ill`Child	`ouchies`
`08:59.15`	`Leeds`	`heh... how's that for some oneupmanship? :-)`
`09:00.10`	Ang`ill`Child	`...owned`
`09:00.28`	Ang`ill`Child	`but still, I wish i could sleep >.<`
`09:00.39`	`Leeds`	`yeah, I know... not trying to belittle your illness`
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`09:01.34`	`Leeds`	`and I really should get my little stuffed animals out - the ones which used to sit on my monitor at work - and set them up at home... monkey, penguin, and gecko`
`09:02.04`	Ang`ill`Child	`:)`
`09:02.06`	`Leeds`	`(Ximian, Slackware and SuSE)`
`09:02.20`	Ang`ill`Child	`helpdesk in our undergrad labs has a plush tux!!!!!!!!`
`09:02.32`	Ang`ill`Child	`bye o/`
`09:03.09`	`Leeds`	`dunno if it's still there, but there used to be a webcam on a public, but internal, BBC support site, showing a large tux in the corner of their office :-)`
`09:04.35`	Ang`ill`Child	`heh :)`
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`09:28.20`	`mozrat`	`morning`
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`09:43.10`	`mozrat`	`morning MAB`
`09:46.45`	`SlayerXP`	`morning`
`09:47.59`	`SlayerXP`	`i suppose bottom posting html crap is a one step improvement`
`09:48.35`	`mozrat`	`heh`
`09:48.54`	`mozrat`	`Maybe I should send him a gmail invite. that doesn't offend the list too muc`
`09:49.01`	`mozrat`	`and does sane quoting of emails`
`09:50.23`	`SlayerXP`	`i didn't bother to mentioning trimming quoted text, maybe I should have`
`09:53.07`	`mozrat`	`He'd appreciate the feedback`
`09:56.52`	`SlayerXP`	`i think that would be a little bit OTT to do on the list.`
`09:56.58`	`SlayerXP`	`feel free to do so yourself, though :)`
`09:57.21`	`SlayerXP`	`lynda->(station);`
`10:10.13`	`ufo_`	`Hi moz :)`
`10:10.21`	`ufo_`	`Hi guys`
`10:10.37`	`mozrat`	`hi Marcin`
`10:15.53`	`SlayerXP`	`fg`
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`10:40.41`	`SlayerXP`	`http://www.bash.org/?464385`
`10:43.42`	`wethrin`	`Morning`
`10:43.56`	`itsbruce`	`Lo`
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`11:14.52`	`Jen23`	`Hi - Did any of you guys go to fosdem?`
`11:15.50`	`Leeds`	`yup`
`11:15.58`	`Leeds`	`a few of us :-)`
`11:17.21`	`wethrin`	`Yup`
`11:17.30`	`Leeds`	`Jen23: so, to confirm, you have a mobile with the bluetooth name set to Jennifer, right? :-)`
`11:17.37`	`wethrin`	`Heh`
`11:18.46`	`Jen23`	`Why?`
`11:18.46`	`Jen23`	`Hi Wethrin. Did you get home last night?`
`11:18.46`	`Jen23`	`Sure`
`11:18.47`	`Jen23`	`wethrin: Do you think he's had enough ;-)`
`11:19.24`	`wethrin`	`I did. Just before 1am`
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`11:22.16`	`wethrin`	`Jen23: Nah :-)`
`11:22.23`	`wethrin`	`Jen23: What time did you get home?`
`11:23.06`	`Jen23`	`About 11:30pm`
`11:23.32`	`wethrin`	`That's not too bad`
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`11:53.31`	`mozrat`	Ang`ill`Child, you're ill?
`11:53.44`	Ang`ill`Child	`you're the second person to notice :P`
`11:53.53`	`mozrat`	`:(`
`11:54.32`	Ang`ill`Child	`logically comp eng gives me more choices in life after uni but compsci would fit my frame of mind better and i suspect i'd get more out of the course`
`11:54.50`	Ang`ill`Child	`pfah`
`11:55.05`	Ang`ill`Child	`also, coughing til your chest hurts ain't fun >:/`
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`12:01.38`	`Leeds`	Ang`ill`Child: assuming you're planning to work after your degree, I can't see it honestly making that much difference - so you should go for what you think you'll enjoy more and do better at
`12:02.07`	Ang`ill`Child	`hmm, I suppose`
`12:07.34`	`Leeds`	`a significant minority - if not a majority - of the people I've worked with over the past few years have no computing qualification at all - although with the growth of people studying computing, that may become less common`
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`12:08.15`	`Leeds`	`the only place the precise form of your computing degree is likely to matter is the first 2 minutes of your first interview (for any particular graduate job)`
`12:08.19`	`Leeds`	`morning pdr`
`12:08.35`	`pdr`	`morning leeds`
`12:08.41`	`pdr`	`how was fosdem?`
`12:09.49`	`Leeds`	`'twas fun`
`12:10.29`	Ang`ill`Child	`goody goody`
`12:11.31`	`Leeds`	`didn't go to an enormous amount of conference sessions... did drink a little too much... did watch other people drink far too much`
`12:22.50`	`Leeds`	`argh`
`12:23.30`	`pdr`	`i'm just finding out today what happened on friday night`
`12:23.53`	`Leeds`	`?`
`12:24.13`	`Leeds`	`cups wants glibc 2.2 - maybe it's time I thought about fixing that little obselete detail on my server`
`12:26.25`	`pdr`	`heh`
`12:27.55`	`[Jango]`	`what glibc do you have?`
`12:28.14`	`Leeds`	`so I was feeling lazy last night (that's new!) and got a cab back from Hendon to home - cost �3.50 so not exactly a fortune...`
`12:28.48`	`Leeds`	`went to the cab office by the station, was followed in by a couple - I know the bloke, we got chatting... mentioned I'd just been away, to Brussels for the weekend... so had they :-)`
`12:28.54`	`Leeds`	`[Jango]: 2.1.3`
`12:29.31`	`Leeds`	`the OS install is nearly 5 years old on that machine`
`12:29.53`	`SlayerXP`	`Leeds: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade`
`12:29.56`	`Leeds`	`glibc is one of the very very few things which I'm scared to just go upgrade`
`12:30.30`	`Leeds`	`SlayerXP: I said the OS install was 5 years old - I didn't say I was using the very latest stable Debian, although I could see how you'd make that connection`
`12:30.52`	`George`	`yoyo Leeds`
`12:31.07`	`George`	`Leeds: just had the IT support dudes over to look at my network socket... they said Solaris beyond v. 6 sucked :)`
`12:31.09`	`Leeds`	`afternoon Georgy`
`12:31.35`	`[Jango]`	`i think i must have 2.3.4`
`12:31.37`	`George`	`then they said that they hated Linux because it changed all the 'C's to 'K's`
`12:31.38`	`SlayerXP`	`# georgy-pordgy pudding and pie, he kissed the girls and make them cry`
`12:31.57`	`Leeds`	`yuo know... I don't think I'd take the advice of a school IT bod when it comes to enterprise software`
`12:32.02`	`SlayerXP`	`# when the boys came out to play, he kissed them too; our georgie's bi`
`12:32.04`	`George`	`hehe`
`12:32.21`	`Leeds`	`SlayerXP: :-)`
`12:39.12`	`mozrat`	`Anyone ever heard of machines using Kerberos to authenticate themselves against Squid?`
`12:39.16`	`mozrat`	`is that possible?`
`12:40.12`	`Leeds`	`mmm... �46 return Luton->Budapest in May...`
`12:43.59`	`JAV`	`hello`
`12:44.20`	`Leeds`	`JAV: good afternoon`
`12:46.58`	`SlayerXP`	`mozrat: if it's not been done, I imagine it's doable.`
`12:47.10`	`SlayerXP`	`squid's auth-plugin stuff is pretty flexible`
`12:47.21`	`mozrat`	`SlayerXP, reading some bits about it the challenge seems to be getting the client to pass it's kerberos ticket`
`12:47.31`	`mozrat`	`as in the browser`
`12:47.50`	`SlayerXP`	`pass`
`12:48.04`	`mozrat`	`SlayerXP, yeah`
`13:07.13`	`itsbruce`	`mozrat: Squid can do PAM authentication, there are pam modules for krb4 and krb5, therefore Squid can do Kerberos`
`13:07.43`	`itsbruce`	`But the browser side? Hmmm....`
`13:09.33`	`mozrat`	`itsbruce, probably would work with Windows clients (although there is already ntlm_auth) for that but we have kerberosised Macs which won't pass the ticket through Safari`
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`13:10.49`	`itsbruce`	`In which case your only hope would be putting some kind of authentication proxy between them and squid`
`13:11.17`	`mozrat`	`nods`
`13:11.44`	`mozrat`	`they can use plain auth in the OS X system properties but asking users to set their passwords "is too hard"`
`13:11.49`	`mozrat`	`grrrr`
`13:12.47`	`itsbruce`	`Shame, because OSX has no-brainer Kerberos support otherwise`
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`13:13.09`	`mozrat`	`yeah, it's not bad at all.. we've had some issues with it though`
`13:13.25`	`itsbruce`	`That is Kerberos all over.`
`13:22.45`	`itsbruce`	`Re Fosdem - which silly bugger scheduled the GFS talk to run immediately after Alasdair's talk but in the building furthest away from his?`
`13:28.38`	`mozrat`	`http://jef.raskincenter.org/home/index.html`
`13:28.45`	`pdr`	`MacLeeds: cool co-incidence`
`13:28.45`	`mozrat`	`Apple employee 33`
`13:30.08`	`pdr`	`#31 apparently`
`13:32.27`	`wethrin`	`itsbruce: Presumably the organisers`
`13:55.26`	`George`	`hrmm, not good`
`13:55.51`	`itsbruce`	`wethrin: It's just that half of the audience for his talk wanted to see the GFS one. As did he.`
`13:55.52`	`George`	`my secondary monitor is showing lots of red dots all over it.`
`13:56.11`	`wethrin`	`Hrm`
`13:56.12`	`itsbruce`	`I left early for the GFS talk because I didn't need to see the live demo.`
`13:56.19`	`wethrin`	`Fair enough`
`14:02.37`	`itsbruce`	`And then Alisdair and a mob of puffing geeks fell through the door about 20 minutes in.`
`14:03.05`	`wethrin`	`Puffing geeks. That's just a disturbing picture`
`14:08.27`	`George`	`groan`
`14:08.43`	`wethrin`	`Ha`
`14:10.22`	`itsbruce`	`wethrin: Well, it was less ugly than the puffing geeks following Rafael's gf around.`
`14:10.34`	`wethrin`	`Is she hot?`
`14:11.30`	`George`	`ok, that's sorted`
`14:11.36`	`George`	`a pin was bent on my DVI cable`
`14:11.40`	`George`	`and it was shorting against another pin :(`
`14:12.20`	`wethrin`	`Fix it, then`
`14:12.27`	`George`	`I have done...`
`14:12.38`	`itsbruce`	`wethrin: No, but she wears thigh-length leather boots and miniskirts`
`14:12.51`	`wethrin`	`Mmm....`
`14:12.54`	`MacLeeds`	`ah, her`
`14:13.04`	`wethrin`	`Although hot girls are better`
`14:13.05`	`itsbruce`	`And these are geeks, so it doesn't take much.`
`14:13.40`	`wethrin`	`Just someone with tits :)`
`14:13.53`	`wethrin`	`Or with Jennifer as their Bluetooth ID`
`14:15.05`	`pdr`	`not all geeks are like that`
`14:15.29`	`wethrin`	`Lots of them...`
`14:21.40`	`eye69`	`Afternoon.`
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`14:28.48`	`kawazu`	`hi... will I be toasted for OT questions around here? :)`
`14:31.20`	`wethrin`	`That depends :-)`
`14:31.41`	`kawazu`	`wethrin: depends on what? :)`
`14:32.06`	`wethrin`	`On the question`
`14:32.20`	`itsbruce`	`Well, we'd have to find a topic for you to be OT from, for a start`
`14:33.30`	`pdr`	`kawazu: you're more likely to get toasted for asking something on topic`
`14:33.40`	`kawazu`	`hmmmm... I am about to... well, travel to London in the middle of 03/2005, and I want to see some good places of the city other than the "usual" tourist attractions. Since I'm also a LUG'er (though in Dresden, Germany) and always experienced LUG people to be openminded and kind, I was hoping some of you could give me some hints on that (at least those that won't kill me here :))...`
`14:34.02`	`wethrin`	`itsbruce: The topic is about the next meeting :-)`
`14:34.09`	`wethrin`	`So if we're not discussing that, then we're OT`
`14:34.28`	`wethrin`	`kawazu: What are you interested in?`
`14:37.42`	`kawazu`	`wethrin: mainly in all sorts of what some might want to call "underground" culture, like smaller museums / art collections, experimental music / theatre, also places that are somewhat related to computers or "networked society" (know about ascii in amsterdam?)...`
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`14:50.18`	`wethrin`	`No....`
`14:51.12`	`pdr`	`kawazu: try http://london.openguides.org/, http://engineer.openguides.org/, http://www.timeout.com/london/`
`14:51.39`	`kawazu`	`wethrin: www.scii.nl ... :)`
`14:51.58`	`wethrin`	`ah`
`14:51.59`	`itsbruce`	`kawazu: You could do worse than subscribe to NTK. It's a weekely newsletter that (amongst other things) carries announcements about all kinds of alternative tech events`
`14:52.11`	`Leeds`	`fortnightly`
`14:52.13`	`itsbruce`	`http://www.ntk.net/`
`14:52.29`	`itsbruce`	`Leeds: weekly, surely`
`14:52.48`	`Leeds`	`nope`
`14:53.13`	`pdr`	`yeah, fortnightly, although i haven't been subscribed for years`
`14:53.17`	`itsbruce`	`Ach, mebbe you're right. I'm sure it was at some point. Still says so on the site but the dates tell otherwise`
`14:53.28`	`kawazu`	`itsbruce, pdr: thanks loads. :) that's pretty much what I was searching for; all the travel guides money can pay here in Germany pretty much suck when it comes to those things...`
`14:53.30`	`Leeds`	`it was weekly... they got bored`
`14:53.36`	`wethrin`	`I think they went to fortnightly when nothing much was happening`
`14:53.39`	`itsbruce`	`Even so, the website is useful in itself`
`14:54.37`	`Leeds`	`yes`
`15:03.19`	`kawazu`	`"the tourist engineer - just because you're on holiday doesn't mean you're not a geek" - that is _brilliant (though my girlfriend will surely kill me for that... ) ;))`
`15:45.41`	`George`	`Leeds: ping`
`16:09.17`	`SlayerXP`	`<[Elvis]> hej, is there a udp client for debian?`
`16:09.36`	`eye69`	`SlayerXP: nc? :)`
`16:09.50`	`eye69`	`I'd say that's a general "UDP client".`
`16:57.33`	`Jen23`	`George: Where do you get it from?`
`16:58.10`	`George`	`?`
`17:00.57`	`Jen23`	`Your quotes?`
`17:04.41`	`George`	`what quotes?`
`17:05.13`	`Jen23`	`<SlayerXP> <[Elvis]> hej, is there a udp client for debian?`
`17:05.48`	`George`	`what's that got to do with me?`
`17:06.10`	`Jen23`	`Ahh... It wasn't you then :-)`
`17:06.17`	`Jen23`	`I need my glasses`
`17:10.46`	`wethrin`	`George is SlayerXP?`
`17:10.51`	`wethrin`	`One can only wish!`
`17:11.12`	`SlayerXP`	`my ears were on fire`
`17:11.23`	`wethrin`	`Oh. Pour water over them`
`17:12.17`	`Jen23`	`Sorry`
`17:12.29`	`SlayerXP`	`pants`
`17:12.30`	`SlayerXP`	`brb`
`17:12.44`	`Jen23`	`Did I scare him?`
`17:13.48`	`evangineer`	`unlikely`
`17:14.23`	`Jen23`	`I scared Leeds :-)`
`17:15.15`	`wethrin`	`:)`
`17:15.25`	`Jen23`	`Mmm... Sun Fire V20Z`
`17:19.58`	`itsbruce`	`It's a neat trick, scaring them both`
`17:21.41`	`George`	`wethrin: y'wot?`
`17:23.19`	`itsbruce`	`Martin in particular is, well, robust in debate. And hard to derail.`
`17:24.57`	`wethrin`	`I wot?`
`17:25.25`	`itsbruce`	`At one point at FOSDEM, morsing, Leeds and I were all sat at the same table and it only lacked SlayerXP for the full AIX good/AIX bad/Solaris rules/Sparcs are doorsteps/ routine`
`17:25.39`	`wethrin`	`Heh`
`17:25.48`	`wethrin`	`Pity, really`
`17:26.13`	`itsbruce`	`For full marks, we should have gotten online and flamed each other from a few feet away`
`17:26.15`	`Jen23`	`:-)`
`17:26.27`	`itsbruce`	`Which some people were doing at the pub on the first night`
`17:26.28`	`Jen23`	`AIX rules`
`17:26.28`	`wethrin`	`No, that would have been silly. There was beer.`
`17:26.54`	`wethrin`	`I have some problem with people IRCing from a pub. It's just wrong.`
`17:27.07`	`itsbruce`	`wethrin: At the Roy d'Espagne, I kid you not, there were people too busy IRCing to drink`
`17:27.17`	`wethrin`	`!`
`17:27.30`	`wethrin`	`I'm glad I didn't associate with those people, then`
`17:28.41`	`itsbruce`	`Don't look so smug, you associate with us.`
`17:28.45`	`wethrin`	`Why would someone IRC when there are people to (shock, horror) talk to?`
`17:28.54`	`wethrin`	`itsbruce: Yes, but you're Good People, and drink beer in pubs`
`17:31.03`	`itsbruce`	`wethrin: They would say "Why would someone talk to people in a pub when there are people on IRC?"`
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`17:31.42`	`wethrin`	`itsbruce: But they're wrong. They could sit at home and IRC`
`17:31.55`	`wethrin`	`GAH. FUCKING WINDOWS!`
`17:33.15`	`wethrin`	`Have to fucking reboot because software is shit`
`17:34.59`	`itsbruce`	`See, now, you get in trouble if you shout that aloud in a pub`
`17:35.37`	`Jen23`	`Is rhowe not in yet?`
`17:38.51`	`wethrin`	`HOW FUCKING SHIT. I have to reboot again`
`17:41.04`	`Jen23`	`wethrin: You didn't reboot the first time...`
`17:44.05`	`wethrin`	`Jen23: I did`
`17:44.10`	`wethrin`	`You just didn't see it`
`17:45.31`	`Jen23`	`Or is it not the computer you use for IRC?`
`17:45.35`	`wethrin`	`Nope`
`17:45.45`	`wethrin`	`Of course I don't use Windows for IRC`
`17:45.50`	`wethrin`	`Hmm. I wonder why this CD isn't burning properly. Maybe because Nero is a FUCKING PILE OF WANK`
`17:48.41`	`Jen23`	`k3b?`
`17:51.51`	`pdr`	`you don't seem terribly happy dan`
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`17:54.07`	`wethrin`	`Jen23: Not under Windows`
`17:54.21`	`wethrin`	`pdr: No. I'm hungry, I need to go to the supermarket, and I'm trying to do a simple task of burning a CD`
`17:54.59`	`pdr`	`:-(`
`17:55.03`	`pdr`	`anyway, i'm off to class`
`17:55.04`	`pdr`	`later`
`17:55.08`	`wethrin`	`cya`
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`18:25.36`	`Eeyore`	`does anyone have experience of detecting or preventing SYN flood attacks?`
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`18:42.20`	`evangineer`	`Eeyore, iirc, there's a kernel parameter that can be tweaked`
`18:42.32`	`evangineer`	`on 2.4 kernels or better`
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`19:18.12`	`Eeyore`	`for tcp timeouts?`
`19:20.18`	`evangineer`	`Eeyore, waitasec`
`19:24.52`	`evangineer`	`since the 2.0.36 kernel there's been a CONFIG_SYN_COOKIES constant defined which protects against SYN flood attacks`
`19:25.00`	`evangineer`	`Eeyore, ^`
`19:35.50`	`Eeyore`	`i think our firewall already uses SYN cookies`
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`20:27.49`	`evangineer`	`Eeyore, have you identified the ips that the flood attack is coming from? You could use iptables to blacklist them.`
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`20:50.20`	`Eeyore`	`I am not entirely sure, either it's not a SYN flood but some other problem that looks just like a SYN flood OR it is a SYN flood and the IPs are spoofed..`
`20:50.42`	`Eeyore`	`i haven't managed to google up anything for these errors other than a SYN flood attack`
`20:52.26`	`Eeyore`	`the errors are TCP dropped packets and TCP treason errors`
`20:52.46`	`Eeyore`	`in the kind of several 100 to 1000 a second range`
`20:55.23`	`mozrat_`	`'ello`
`20:56.10`	`mozrat_`	`I'm looking at buying a virtual server.... https://www.servelocity.net/store/index.cgi/pid,14 offers a decent offer for £10 p/m but it's Fedora Core1... anyone know of a similar offer that will do a virtual debian machine?`
`20:57.55`	`evangineer`	`bytemark are 15 pm + vat, they have their own debian mirrors which don't count against your bandwidth`
`20:58.46`	`mozrat_`	`cool.. thanks`
`20:59.05`	`mozrat_`	`I'll pay the extra fiver a month to avoid FC1`
`20:59.07`	`mozrat_`	`:)`
`20:59.43`	`evangineer`	`if you sign up with bytemark, quote yang please`
`20:59.54`	`mozrat_`	`surfe`
`20:59.57`	`mozrat_`	`sure*`
`21:00.10`	`evangineer`	`cheers`
`21:01.02`	`mozrat_`	`bytemark doesn't say how much bandwidth you get per month.. any idea?`
`21:01.39`	`mozrat_`	`yes it does, I'm blind`
`21:01.43`	`mozrat_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:04.46`	`mozrat_`	`:)`
`21:06.45`	`mozrat_`	`ching ching`
`21:07.01`	`evangineer`	`nice one`
`21:07.07`	`mozrat_`	`thanks evangineer`
`21:08.55`	`mozrat_`	`Hmmm`
`21:09.01`	`mozrat_`	`"Thanks very much for your order. Typical time scales for order fulfilment are:`
`21:09.01`	`mozrat_`	`Virtual Machines: Currently awaiting new hardware deliveries - hopefully by 23/02/05"`
`21:09.33`	`mozrat_`	`I guess by the fact the 23rd was a few days ago it wasn't delivered.`
`21:09.36`	`mozrat_`	`bum`
`21:09.41`	`itsbruce`	`They ought to have told you that before you bought`
`21:09.46`	`mozrat_`	`yep`
`21:09.55`	`murb`	`mozrat: you could always install debian...`
`21:10.01`	`itsbruce`	`Which is worth pointing out to them`
`21:10.08`	`mozrat_`	`on the FC1 host, murb?`
`21:10.12`	`murb`	`yep`
`21:10.28`	`mozrat_`	`murb, coulda done.. easier to find a Debian machine though :)`
`21:11.11`	`itsbruce`	`Didn't someone do a package you could install on RH to reboot it and configure it as a Debian box? Or was that a joke?`
`21:11.32`	`mozrat_`	`itsbruce: I've heard of it`
`21:12.17`	`mozrat_`	`I did a reinstall of Debian remotely once following instructions on howto remotely upgrade Red Hat to Debian`
`21:12.26`	`mozrat_`	`no doubt some clever chap could automate it`
`21:12.45`	`evangineer`	`I've seen that howto`
`21:12.54`	`mozrat_`	`It's very clever`
`21:13.11`	`mozrat_`	`I only did it "because I could".. it was a quiet weekend :)`
`21:13.23`	`evangineer`	`indeed`
`21:13.36`	`murb`	`itsbruce: there is always debootstrap`
`21:16.38`	`mozrat_`	`Hmm, I feel rather deflated now. I was expecting to get it configured tonight`
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`21:16.48`	`mozrat_`	`hello irm`
`21:17.17`	`Leeds`	`http://www.beeradvocate.com/beerfly/user_reviews/2290/`
`21:17.58`	`mozrat_`	`fond memories Leeds?? ;)`
`21:18.26`	`Leeds`	`mozrat_: it was fun :-)`
`21:19.47`	`mozrat_`	`At work we're going through a HP OpenView installation at the moment.. I was interested to see that HP use a rebranded version of squirrelmail as their webmail solution`
`21:20.20`	`Jen23`	`~seen Jason_UKFSN`
`21:20.21`	`ibot`	`jason_ukfsn <~jason@spc1-watf3-5-0-cust248.asfd.broadband.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 53d 5h 22m 54s ago, saying: 'I'm off - wife want's to go shopping :('.`
`21:20.38`	`mozrat_`	`thats a long shopping session`
`21:20.48`	`Jen23`	`Why is never here anymore?`
`21:20.54`	`Jen23`	`^he`
`21:21.02`	`mozrat_`	`Guess he is a busy chap`
`21:21.37`	`JAV`	`good evening`
`21:21.56`	`Jen23`	`evening`
`21:22.06`	`mozrat_`	`hey JAV`
`21:24.37`	`JAV`	`I've just received spam from Witham (Essex)`
`21:24.48`	`JAV`	`paper one`
`21:25.24`	`JAV`	`a 110 pages brochure www.dalebrook.com`
`21:27.53`	`JAV`	`it's funny to receive snail-mails in english`
`21:28.00`	`Leeds`	`hmm... no sign of rhowe or morsing today, right?`
`21:28.57`	`mozrat_`	`JAV where do you live?`
`21:29.28`	`JAV`	`north of spain`
`21:29.49`	`mozrat_`	`cool`
`21:30.05`	`JAV`	`yes, very cool now :D`
`21:30.31`	`JAV`	`2 �`
`21:30.41`	`Leeds`	`JAV: warmer than London then`
`21:35.11`	`murb`	`about -1 or -2 here.`
`21:39.20`	`JAV`	`sooo`
`21:39.32`	`JAV`	`time to microwave pop corn`
`21:40.22`	`JAV`	`yes, my mediterranean diet is quite broken`
`21:41.41`	`Leeds`	`heh`
`21:42.50`	`JAV`	`schnitzel`
`21:42.50`	`JAV`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:43.20`	`Leeds`	`right, except not veal or fried :-)`
`21:44.10`	`Leeds`	`rhowe: ah!`
`21:44.15`	`rhowe`	`damn dhcpd didn't like me adding two subnets without telling it about them`
`21:44.30`	`Leeds`	`rhowe: I was wondering if you'd died on the way home... it was a distinct possibility`
`21:44.31`	`rhowe`	`So I had to attach a VGA cable to the machine which has the cable to the firewall's serial console :/`
`21:44.34`	`rhowe`	`Much irritation`
`21:44.41`	`rhowe`	`Leeds: heh, no - survived, just about :)`
`21:44.49`	`rhowe`	`Leeds: Still recovering from Saturday, though`
`21:44.59`	`rhowe`	`Leeds: Many comments at work about my zombie impression`
`21:45.44`	`murb`	`rhowe: it normally doesn't like that no..`
`21:46.11`	`murb`	`which is quite annoying.`
`21:46.19`	`Leeds`	`rhowe: :-)`
`21:46.44`	`rhowe`	`murb: Yes. Solvable by adding entries for every possible subnet, I suppose, but not nice :P`
`21:47.03`	`murb`	`or removing some of the subnets...`
`21:47.04`	`rhowe`	`murb: I think it used to be OK, but has gotten stricter more recently. I'm sure there was once a time when it didn't complain`
`21:47.19`	`rhowe`	`murb: I'm wondering if there's a bug in the 3c59x driver I'm running`
`21:47.38`	`murb`	`I have some driver bugs related to bridging not working properly.`
`21:47.47`	`rhowe`	`murb: I have 3 cards, all on that driver. eth0 was UP, eth1 and 2 weren't (nothing connected, so no need to configure, I thought)`
`21:47.50`	`murb`	`they keep accidently leaving promisous mode.`
`21:48.03`	`rhowe`	`eth0 was working fine, but a couple of days later, it stopped passing traffic, or so it seemed`
`21:48.35`	`rhowe`	`murb: Configuring eth1 and eth2 brought things back online, but I didn't test it in a particularly controlled way. I think I just did /etc/init.d/networking restart, which would also have reconfigured eth0`
`21:48.39`	`murb`	`I have some 3c59xs i dunno what machines they are in though.`
`21:52.39`	`rhowe`	`murb: I also bought two Soekrisen at FOSDEM :)`
`21:57.18`	`rhowe`	`Leeds: Apparently the ARM-based gateway stuff, PepLink or whatever is was called was running the network at FOSDEM`
`21:57.29`	`rhowe`	`Leeds: They kept overheating, which is why it sucked so much :P`
`21:58.11`	`Leeds`	`heh`
`21:58.24`	`Leeds`	`I did notice there was one on the desk in Janson`
`22:00.59`	`murb`	`rhowe: did you manage to ge tone without openbsd on cf?`
`22:01.21`	`rhowe`	`murb: It has a CF socket with no card :)`
`22:01.22`	`murb`	`the wireless at 21C3 which didn't work very well was done via Soekrise`
`22:17.02`	`itsbruce`	`rhowe: you don't have to tell dhcpd about a subnet if it isn't listening on that interface`
`22:17.12`	`itsbruce`	`But it's good practice even then`
`22:17.56`	`itsbruce`	`And in any case it listens to all interfaces unless you specify one or more`
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`22:23.01`	`rhowe`	`itsbruce: Ah, OK. Well I had it listening on all, but without subnet declarations :)`
`22:23.15`	`BobtheAvenger`	`hey`
`22:23.21`	`rhowe`	`itsbruce: If my network was sensible, I could've found this out easily, but I had to move hardware around :P`
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`22:27.49`	`itsbruce`	`That's a standard dhcpd gotcha but most people do it once because the docs aren't so clear on it.`
`22:27.55`	`itsbruce`	`And who reads documentation?`
`22:28.45`	`rhowe`	`Indeed :)`
`22:29.05`	`rhowe`	`I actually already knew about this, but it didn't occur to me when I was messing with the network interfaces :)`
`22:29.50`	`resuDaed_`	`does anyone run webmin? (or atleast have miniserv.pl sitting around anywhere?)`
`22:30.11`	`rhowe`	`At work...`
`22:30.25`	`rhowe`	`Though I never use it. $boss likes it because then he doesn't have to know how things work underneath`
`22:31.21`	`itsbruce`	`Nothing wrong with a boss who doesn't understand the lower level stuff but then they shouldn't be messing with the top level stuff either`
`22:31.37`	`rhowe`	`He is required to know the lower level stuff`
`22:31.43`	`rhowe`	`Or rather, he should.`
`22:31.47`	`itsbruce`	`Ah, one of those`
`22:32.01`	`rhowe`	`There are only two of us, so we do the same job. He just has the management function too, not that he really does any manglement`
`22:32.25`	`rhowe`	`He attends the department mangler meetings and bs's about how the IT department isn't cracking at the seams :P`
`22:32.28`	`resuDaed_`	`rhowe : or atleast the managment paycheck`
`22:32.48`	`rhowe`	`resuDaed_: That too, although I don't think it's a great deal more than I'm on`
`22:33.11`	`resuDaed_`	`I am trying to figure out where resuDaed is logged on from`
`22:33.50`	`itsbruce`	`Is he still being investigated?`
`22:33.50`	`resuDaed_`	`my ip, but I wasn't here 26 hours ago`
`22:34.03`	`resuDaed_`	`or for that matter on the 24th`
`22:34.49`	`itsbruce`	`resuDaed_: your old login has been reconnecting every time it's disconnected, so check the processes on your box(es)`
`22:35.10`	`itsbruce`	`That login time will just be the last time there was a netsplit or some other timeout`
`22:35.24`	`resuDaed_`	`even mor wierd`
`22:35.53`	`resuDaed_`	`because the only box that hasn't been rebooted in a while is the oBSD router which hasn't even got an irc client`
`22:35.58`	`resuDaed_`	`hmmm`
`22:36.39`	`resudaed`	`hmmm`
`22:36.47`	`itsbruce`	`I don't think it can be just an unclosed connection, as there's constant chatter between server and client`
`22:36.58`	`resudaed`	`a random disconnected screen session on an even more random box`
`22:37.08`	`resudaed`	`bye bye`
`22:37.44`	`rhowe`	`resuDaed_: Two connections from the same IRC client? Most clients allow it, even BX I expect`
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`22:38.47`	`resuDaed_`	`rhowe : no, it was running on a box that I don't even use everyone elses box), a screen session long forgotten`
`22:38.59`	`rhowe`	`Ah`
`22:39.25`	`resuDaed_`	`I spoke to clyphox the other day, and he had observed my presence apparantly`
`22:40.45`	`resuDaed_`	`I have trouble sqeezing in a social life, let alone an online presence in my current job`
`22:42.09`	`resuDaed`	`wierd ... there are no csv functions in php :-S`
`22:43.49`	`evangineer`	`resuDaed, python has a csv module!`
`22:45.25`	`itsbruce`	`Also Perl. Though the utf-8 code in that is a little iffy.`
`22:46.24`	`itsbruce`	`In Text::CSV, that is`
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`23:14.43`	`resuDaed`	`evangineer : I am writing for speed -- php is mynative language`
`23:19.35`	`itsbruce`	`PHP is OK for quick results on a small scale`
`23:25.19`	`rhowe`	`hm, chest pains :/`
`23:25.20`	`rhowe`	`bbiab`
`23:26.08`	`rhowe`	`Wrong side for my heart, probably my liver telling me FOSDEM is evil`
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