| 05:35.03 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@85-65-178-82.barak.net.il) |
| 07:23.27 | Leeds | oh dear! |
| 07:23.55 | Cope | feeling slightly better today, but still very unwell |
| 07:24.19 | Leeds | oh dear! :-( |
| 07:24.29 | Leeds | well, not to rub it in, but I'm in Israel :-) |
| 07:25.08 | Cope | The cliue was in the .il |
| 07:25.20 | Cope | but... hooray! |
| 07:25.31 | Cope | where are you? |
| 07:25.40 | Leeds | ah, yes, I hadn't noticed that :-) |
| 07:26.11 | Leeds | in Ra'anana, in a friend's flat, with him and his wife having gone to work, making toast... this is a friend I met online a couple of years back and didn't meet in person until this morning :-) |
| 07:26.14 | Cope | see, if you were me, you'd have ssh'd to a home page where you'd have re-attached you screen session |
| 07:26.27 | Cope | home 'page'?? |
| 07:26.27 | Leeds | you really think I'm not sshed into my pine? |
| 07:26.46 | Cope | Where's Ra'anana? |
| 07:27.22 | Leeds | in greater Tel Aviv, to the north-east of the main city |
| 07:27.38 | Cope | and why does it have such an unfeasible amount of a's and n's in its name? |
| 07:27.39 | Leeds | I can give you GPS co-ordinates if you really want :-) |
| 07:27.53 | Cope | I'll certainly look in my atlas |
| 07:28.21 | Leeds | it only has two n's (actually, nun's) and the vowels are optional in Hebrew anyway |
| 07:29.38 | Cope | indeed |
| 07:29.54 | Cope | but rnn would be an even sillier name |
| 07:31.26 | Cope | Kefar Sava |
| 07:31.31 | Cope | anywhere near? |
| 07:32.42 | Leeds | kfar saba... yeah - I think it's pretty much the next town along |
| 07:33.37 | Leeds | ca you see herzliya(h) on the coast? |
| 07:34.44 | Cope | no, but this is multimap, and I get the impression they don't know a great deal abut israel |
| 07:34.50 | Cope | I'll look in my dead tree |
| 07:34.52 | Leeds | ah, right |
| 07:35.22 | Leeds | well, if you've got a windows machine handy, try emap.co.il - I've not got it to work in anything I've got, but I've seen the output and it's nice |
| 07:35.59 | Leeds | possible emaps |
| 07:37.27 | Leeds | ah... so after google started talking to me in dutch last week when I was in Belgium, it's now talking to me - backwards - in Hebrew |
| 07:37.31 | Cope | sanelson@najdorf:~$ host emap.co.il |
| 07:37.32 | Cope | sanelson@najdorf:~$ |
| 07:37.47 | Leeds | okay, www. |
| 07:39.13 | Cope | hui like the fact that she can see chinese news on google, in chinese :) |
| 07:40.01 | Cope | Leeds: You're GMT+2? |
| 07:40.03 | Leeds | oh, sure, but google guessing what language you want based on where you are can get annoying |
| 07:40.04 | Leeds | yes |
| 07:40.28 | Cope | Leeds: yes, I am annoyed that it now redirects me to www.google.co.uk when I didn't ask it to |
| 07:40.57 | Cope | I'm not sure if there is a different algorithm for .com and .co.uk (all the web) |
| 07:41.10 | Leeds | I don't think so |
| 07:41.10 | Cope | or whether .co.uk is just closer / faster |
| 07:41.41 | Leeds | I think they're just trying to look more user-friendly, or cleverer... personally, if I want .co.uk, I go to .co.uk |
| 07:42.24 | Cope | Do you know if any part of the h2g2 game on the bbc is open source? |
| 07:42.42 | Cope | I have a friend who is really interested in the flash interface. |
| 07:42.45 | Leeds | doubt it... might be pd, at beast |
| 07:42.47 | Leeds | best :-) |
| 07:51.32 | Cope | Is it going to be a nice warm day? |
| 07:51.40 | Cope | Or is it cold and nasty in Israel now? |
| 07:51.48 | Leeds | it already is nice and warm |
| 07:51.51 | Cope | mmm |
| 07:52.29 | Cope | I am sure this winter was nastier than last year... I don't remember last year's being so miserable. |
| 07:52.38 | Leeds | I agree |
| 07:53.06 | Leeds | although I think a lot is down to it being nasty *late*, not necessarily nastier in total |
| 08:07.57 | Cope | yes |
| 08:08.15 | Cope | it might have been pleasant in january, but I've forgotten that |
| 08:17.44 | Cope | I slept for most of yesterday |
| 08:17.59 | Cope | apart from a brief tinker on the computer, and watching a movie with Hui |
| 08:18.08 | Cope | hui++ |
| 08:18.19 | Leeds | :-) |
| 08:19.54 | Cope | oh shit - mother's day |
| 08:20.06 | Cope | -enocardorflowers |
| 08:24.40 | *** join/#gllug infodroid (~AI@infodroid.user) |
| 09:58.15 | rhowe | Cope: -ENOPHONE :P |
| 10:03.52 | Cope | rhowe: :-( |
| 10:07.12 | rhowe | It's OK. I have a BT chargecard. I can call her on her bill :) |
| 10:21.24 | *** join/#gllug morsing (~morsing@80.46.110.1) |
| 10:21.38 | morsing | morning |
| 10:23.56 | Cope | hello morsing |
| 10:26.09 | morsing | Coffee? |
| 10:27.23 | morsing | Hi highbury |
| 10:27.30 | highbury | hi morsing |
| 10:37.59 | Cope | Note to self: probability that william has put lego bricks in my shoes... high |
| 10:40.26 | morsing | morning |
| 10:46.27 | *** join/#gllug mz2 (~mz@81-1-75-195.homechoice.co.uk) |
| 10:54.00 | Leeds | highbury: morning... |
| 11:04.10 | highbury | hey there leeds, just trying to find space on my desk to plug your box in |
| 11:04.40 | Leeds | you're *that* short on space? :-) |
| 11:04.43 | highbury | this involved, trying to sort out the spaghetti of cables under my desk and going into the UPS |
| 11:05.15 | highbury | the only space on my desk is where the heels of my hands rest |
| 11:05.54 | Leeds | I had the machine sitting on top of a monitor - zero footprint |
| 11:06.45 | highbury | ahh but I need space for the extra keyboard |
| 11:07.07 | Leeds | okay |
| 11:07.29 | Leeds | argh, missed my sister being online |
| 11:07.42 | highbury | unless I can use usb-ps2 convertor and plug my or you keyboard into my ps2-based kvm |
| 11:12.52 | Leeds | I can doze on the sofa in England - don't need to come here to do that :-) |
| 11:26.47 | *** join/#gllug morsing (~morsing@80.46.110.1) |
| 11:36.10 | *** join/#gllug George (george@gwright.developer.kde) |
| 11:38.17 | morsing | George! |
| 11:38.24 | George | hi |
| 11:51.59 | *** join/#gllug morsing (~morsing@80.46.110.1) |
| 11:53.37 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 11:54.16 | morsing | Anyone here knows BSD? |
| 12:07.24 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@85-65-178-82.barak.net.il) |
| 13:15.55 | *** join/#gllug AngelChild (~angelic@AngelChild.user.allegro) |
| 13:16.43 | Leeds | afternoon AngelChild... feeling better? |
| 13:16.58 | AngelChild | a fair bit yes :) |
| 13:17.12 | Leeds | good |
| 13:17.19 | Leeds | the ESR book? |
| 13:17.30 | AngelChild | yarr |
| 13:17.33 | AngelChild | 'tis true |
| 13:17.47 | Leeds | I think I'd just download it |
| 13:18.26 | AngelChild | well, I've been reading through the online version and decided i wanted a dead tree one because books are easier to read than lots of test on a screen :) |
| 13:18.34 | AngelChild | text too |
| 13:18.52 | Leeds | maybe... can't you just abuse someone's good quality printer? :-) |
| 13:19.37 | AngelChild | ...that's an awful lot of quality printing :) |
| 13:19.43 | Leeds | true, true |
| 13:19.58 | Leeds | anyway... I need to go get some lunch, spend some shekels |
| 13:21.02 | AngelChild | shekels? |
| 13:21.40 | Leeds | yup |
| 13:21.57 | Leeds | being in Israel and all :-) |
| 13:22.39 | AngelChild | ah, you're thar :) |
| 13:24.22 | Leeds | yes |
| 13:24.39 | Leeds | anyway, I'm off... back in a bit, fed :-) |
| 13:27.10 | AngelChild | <@Excors> But the dead tree version kills trees, while the CRT version only kills coulomb beetles (by firing them at relativistic speeds towards a piece of glass) |
| 13:45.49 | *** join/#gllug ar (~ar@82.152.153.79) |
| 14:42.10 | Leeds | hmm... there are two LUG meetings in Israel this week - Haifa tomorrow and Jerusalem on Wednesday :-) |
| 14:43.17 | Leeds | I'm going to miss this month's Tel Aviv meeting - it's on the 20th and I leave on the 19th |
| 14:44.42 | Leeds | and I missed a pm meeting last week |
| 15:10.26 | *** join/#gllug AndrewBlack (~chatzilla@81.2.66.249) |
| 15:29.20 | *** join/#gllug BobtheAvenger (Bob@host213-122-99-1.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 15:31.58 | Leeds | evening BobtheAvenger |
| 15:32.46 | BobtheAvenger | evening, have i overslept? |
| 15:32.50 | BobtheAvenger | hey |
| 15:34.10 | Leeds | overslept? |
| 15:35.20 | Leeds | well, it's 1735 or so |
| 15:35.39 | BobtheAvenger | i been up since what i thought was 9 |
| 15:39.03 | *** join/#gllug eye69 (magnus@ipv6.upcore.net) |
| 15:42.06 | Leeds | ibot convert 495 km to miles |
| 15:42.16 | Leeds | ibot thanks |
| 15:42.16 | ibot | Leeds: gern geschehen |
| 15:43.09 | *** join/#gllug JAV (~JAV@105.Red-80-34-40.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:43.22 | JAV | good afternoon |
| 15:43.35 | BobtheAvenger | afternoon |
| 15:43.55 | BobtheAvenger | is the posh word for like age and sex demographic? |
| 15:44.55 | JAV | :? |
| 15:45.22 | Leeds | demographics is the science of populations - how they are shaped, how they grow, how they are currently constituted and so on |
| 15:45.30 | Leeds | ibot dict demographics |
| 15:45.36 | Leeds | ibot dict demographic |
| 15:46.15 | BobtheAvenger | so what is the posh word for like age and sex, when analising questionnaire results |
| 15:47.09 | BobtheAvenger | nevermind |
| 15:47.34 | Leeds | ana analysis of a population survey to work out things like distribution of age and gender would be a demographic analysis, yes |
| 16:31.59 | BobtheAvenger | hey |
| 16:39.16 | BobtheAvenger | heh |
| 16:58.44 | *** join/#gllug mozrat (~mozrat@user-3188.l3.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 17:02.45 | mozrat | Hey guys |
| 17:03.14 | mozrat | does anyone use SNMP to monitor Apple OS X devices? OS X doesn't seem to populate the CPU MIB values like Linux does |
| 17:12.21 | *** join/#gllug BobtheAvenger (Bob@dial81-131-29-175.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 17:53.00 | *** join/#gllug AndrewBlack (~chatzilla@81.2.66.249) |
| 18:11.02 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@85-65-178-82.barak.net.il) |
| 19:01.51 | *** join/#gllug AngelChild (~angelic@AngelChild.user.allegro) |
| 19:36.04 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@85-65-178-82.barak.net.il) |
| 20:16.32 | *** join/#gllug highbury (~steve@81.1.83.122) |
| 20:33.45 | *** join/#gllug BobtheAvenger (Bob@dial81-131-172-84.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 20:40.08 | BobtheAvenger | hey |
| 20:40.44 | Leeds | hi |
| 20:41.32 | BobtheAvenger | how are you? |
| 20:43.12 | Leeds | tired,,, |
| 20:46.38 | *** join/#gllug mz2 (~mz@81-1-75-195.homechoice.co.uk) |
| 20:46.49 | BobtheAvenger | hey |
| 22:31.47 | *** join/#gllug mz2 (~mz@81-1-75-195.homechoice.co.uk) |
| 22:56.43 | *** join/#gllug mozrat (~mozrat@host81-130-140-197.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 22:57.07 | mozrat | evening chaps |
| 23:14.47 | JAV | evening |
| 23:24.07 | rhowe | heh, Sarah's asked me to look some stuff up online for her |
| 23:24.29 | rhowe | It's all to do with the Iraqi elections. There's an accreditation process for electoral observers (supposedly independent bodies who oversee the election process) |
| 23:25.02 | rhowe | The email address for the accreditation process? IECI_accred_Ag_Obs@hotmail.com |
| 23:25.05 | *** join/#gllug Cope (~sanelson@82-69-220-158.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 23:25.30 | rhowe | <h1>Hotmail runs Iraqi elections!</h1> :) |
| 23:25.52 | *** join/#gllug gregj (~gj@62.121.136.6) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 23:26.12 | *** join/#gllug murbSKI (~murble@debian.home.boughton.org.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 23:27.33 | mozrat | rhowe, seeing as you mentioned cacti this week on list maybe you can answer a question for me |
| 23:27.45 | mozrat | OS X -- SNMP -- CPU counters -- not there -- why? |
| 23:28.09 | rhowe | mozrat: NFI :) |
| 23:28.11 | mozrat | works fine on Linux servers, but OS X doesn't seem to push it's CPU stats into SNMP |
| 23:28.14 | mozrat | :) |
| 23:28.17 | mozrat | me either :) |
| 23:28.22 | rhowe | mozrat: Never used cacti, mrtg or SNMP :) |
| 23:28.28 | mozrat | cacti is awesome though |
| 23:28.32 | mozrat | ahh, ok |
| 23:28.37 | rhowe | But it's PHP :) |
| 23:28.59 | rhowe | (and therein lies the rub :) |
| 23:29.02 | mozrat | heh, in your opinion is that a good thing or bad thing? |
| 23:29.39 | rhowe | I would rather not run PHP on my web server(s) |
| 23:29.57 | mozrat | aye |
| 23:30.07 | rhowe | Since cacti isn't business critical and doesn't need exposing publicly, then it's borderline acceptable :) |
| 23:30.15 | mozrat | :) |
| 23:30.34 | rhowe | In fact, I'd go as far as to say that monitoring tools don't need to be reliable for smallish networks |
| 23:30.41 | rhowe | If monitoring goes down, it shouldn't matter |
| 23:31.52 | rhowe | When you're dealing with a network large enough for you to fully expect parts to be failing, just on the law of averages, then I imagine monitoring becomes somewhat more critical... |
| 23:32.59 | rhowe | I don't think cacti does anything you can't do with rrdtool. It just provides some nice defaults for the graphs and no doubt streamlines the creation of rrd's quite a bit |
| 23:33.26 | mozrat | yes, building a rapid collection of graphs seems to be the thing |
| 23:33.43 | rhowe | which again is something you want. |
| 23:34.05 | rhowe | You don't want to not be monitoring something that should be being monitored just because it's too much effort to set up the monitoring :) |
| 23:34.22 | mozrat | I had to read that 3 times, but yes I agree |
| 23:36.29 | rhowe | Some or all of these opinions are not my own, just ones I share with the author of O'Reilly's "Designing Large-scale LANs" |
| 23:37.20 | rhowe | Which is a pretty nifty book. Not sure how much it is here (I bought it in China, cheap), but there's stuff in there which applies even to smaller network |
| 23:37.23 | rhowe | +s |
| 23:37.38 | mozrat | I'll have to check it out on Safari |
| 23:37.39 | rhowe | The MTBF calculations, especially |
| 23:37.55 | rhowe | And the bit about logical and physical network diagrams |
| 23:38.27 | *** join/#gllug highbury (~steve@81.1.83.122) |
| 23:38.31 | rhowe | Some good bits about physical cabling too |