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| 08:37.52 | mozrat | what-ho Mr Cohen |
| 08:45.06 | Leeds | yes indeedy! |
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| 09:54.41 | AngelChild | i get to go in for another blood test today (fun!) |
| 10:22.39 | pdr | http://www.parishiltonmirror.com/parishiltonnotes.htm |
| 10:22.41 | pdr | hmmm |
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| 10:36.50 | Leeds | ah, the modern world... http://www.cedarrevolution.net/ is the homepage (or one of them) of the ongoing Lebanese popular uprising :-) |
| 10:44.31 | pdr | interesting page |
| 10:44.44 | pdr | leeds: are they a peaceful organization? |
| 10:44.54 | pdr | oh he's gone.. |
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| 10:54.03 | wethrin | eyup |
| 11:06.58 | pdr | orright? |
| 11:07.23 | pdr | dyawannacoopateedook? |
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| 11:35.33 | floo | bonjour mes amis |
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| 13:23.33 | gregj | wethrin: I would rather ban him temporarily |
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| 14:17.50 | wethrin | Hm |
| 14:21.08 | wethrin | ~ change 99 DKK to GBP |
| 14:21.16 | wethrin | ~change 99 DKK to GBP |
| 14:21.50 | wethrin | Oh. There it is |
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| 14:23.15 | formi | uhu! |
| 14:23.18 | wethrin | huh |
| 14:23.36 | formi | does anybody know when murb will stop sniffing snow? |
| 14:24.07 | wethrin | 13th March |
| 14:24.43 | formi | i guess i will volunteer the question anyway |
| 14:25.02 | formi | we need to unlock a domain name |
| 14:25.12 | formi | and do it asap |
| 14:25.30 | wethrin | Is it a murb-registered one? |
| 14:25.36 | formi | nope |
| 14:25.58 | formi | but he tends to know how to go about stuff like that |
| 14:27.29 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 14:27.54 | formi | the domain was reg with 123-reg |
| 14:28.03 | wethrin | You need to email them, I think |
| 14:29.00 | formi | I think that was tried by someone else |
| 14:29.07 | wethrin | Hm |
| 14:31.18 | AngelChild | what a dilemma :) |
| 14:32.37 | itsbruce | What's the book? |
| 14:32.43 | itsbruce | formi: I thought that was you |
| 14:33.06 | AngelChild | The Art of Unix Programming by Eric S. Raymond :) |
| 14:33.17 | AngelChild | what was available online but i prefer reading from dead tree |
| 14:33.20 | formi | i always count myself in, then i substract myself as it is obvious |
| 14:33.45 | itsbruce | AngelChild: Ah. I gather it's less queasy reading than his "sex tips for geeks" |
| 14:33.53 | AngelChild | xD |
| 14:34.31 | itsbruce | "Thanks for all the advocacy work, Eric, now please go and stand in a dark corner and pretend you aren't with us". |
| 14:34.43 | AngelChild | lol :) |
| 14:35.10 | itsbruce | "Go shoot a policeman before he confiscates your gun, or something" |
| 14:37.50 | formi | http://unixsex.com/admins/ |
| 14:38.43 | formi | no pcs harmed while at it |
| 14:41.26 | wlesspcmcia | i read on the gllug website there is going to be wireless access at fotango. i am looking for a value wireless pcmcia but all people keep on telling me is that i should go for prism based ones. however, i can not find any of those in computer fairs |
| 14:42.34 | itsbruce | The prism ones have good open source drivers. With almost everything else, you need a binary driver from the vendor and even then you may need to resort to ndiswrapper |
| 14:43.10 | wlesspcmcia | will anyone plz recommend me a model i can buy at any high street PC retailer? needless to say it should be compatible with linux |
| 14:43.27 | formi | the aironet 340-350 are quite good |
| 14:43.49 | formi | only 811b |
| 14:44.22 | wlesspcmcia | 811b is too slow |
| 14:44.39 | wlesspcmcia | btw where did you buy yours? |
| 14:44.46 | formi | fairs |
| 14:44.54 | wlesspcmcia | in london? |
| 14:45.12 | formi | the latest airo350 cost me about 25quid a year ago |
| 14:45.28 | formi | yeap TCR fairs |
| 14:45.28 | wlesspcmcia | do you still use it on your laptop? |
| 14:45.36 | formi | everyday |
| 14:45.46 | wlesspcmcia | but 811b is too slow |
| 14:46.07 | formi | to do what? |
| 14:46.42 | wlesspcmcia | video streaming |
| 14:47.42 | wlesspcmcia | what do *you* use your aironet pcmcia for? |
| 14:47.59 | formi | internet access |
| 14:48.09 | wlesspcmcia | can you be more specific? |
| 14:48.39 | formi | well my connection is only 1mbit, more than the wireless |
| 14:49.07 | wlesspcmcia | you mean your broadband connection at home? |
| 14:49.30 | formi | yeap |
| 14:49.59 | wlesspcmcia | have you used your aironet wireless pcmcia outside home? |
| 14:50.27 | formi | yes |
| 14:50.34 | wlesspcmcia | to do what? |
| 14:52.03 | formi | to sit next to people and not answering unnecesary questions |
| 14:52.21 | wlesspcmcia | you mean warchalking? |
| 14:54.15 | formi | I seaid sitting |
| 14:54.47 | formi | s/seaid/said |
| 14:55.03 | wlesspcmcia | sitting *after* successful warchalking? |
| 14:56.46 | formi | you don't seem to know what warchalking means |
| 14:58.26 | AngelChild | what does it mean? |
| 14:59.28 | formi | is like staring and pointing, but with wireless and writing |
| 14:59.39 | wlesspcmcia | http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/story/0,3605,748499,00.html |
| 14:59.43 | formi | i was something that never happend in the uk |
| 14:59.50 | wlesspcmcia | really? |
| 15:00.22 | formi | not in any meaningful way |
| 15:01.23 | wlesspcmcia | what do you call a meaningful way? |
| 15:02.55 | formi | wlesspcmcia: off the record, I have never seen anybody going around sniffing chalk in hand |
| 15:03.25 | itsbruce | Oh, stop being an arse |
| 15:04.21 | wlesspcmcia | itsbruce: formi was not being an arse |
| 15:04.39 | wlesspcmcia | he kindly answered me questions |
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| 15:05.53 | formi | itsbruce: wlesspcmcia is asking questions not relevant to his/her original query |
| 15:07.14 | formi | and he/she seems to be inclined to have me say that i have done what I haven't |
| 15:07.59 | wlesspcmcia | formi: the topic is pcmcia wireless in particular but wireless access in general |
| 15:08.28 | wlesspcmcia | i did not say you go warchalking |
| 15:09.20 | unclex | what |
| 15:09.48 | unclex | what is warchalking |
| 15:11.51 | formi | itsbruce: you got them thinking, what did I say to deserve "your comment" |
| 15:11.53 | formi | ? |
| 15:13.02 | unclex | formi - this sounds like a very strange conversation - is this something to do with a new distro |
| 15:13.20 | wlesspcmcia | unclex: http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/story/0,3605,748499,00.html |
| 15:13.54 | unclex | so it is to do with a new distro |
| 15:14.27 | wlesspcmcia | it is distro neutral methinks |
| 15:15.59 | formi | wlesspcmcia: that is a really old article |
| 15:16.06 | wlesspcmcia | i know |
| 15:16.26 | unclex | old is not the word |
| 15:16.32 | wlesspcmcia | but it is very easy to understand |
| 15:17.27 | wlesspcmcia | especially if you are intellectually challenged |
| 15:18.12 | formi | do you know who pushed the most for video streaming on the internet? |
| 15:18.47 | wlesspcmcia | the manufacturers of wireless cards? |
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| 15:19.05 | JAV | afternoon |
| 15:19.19 | unclex | OOOOh it sounds very exciting |
| 15:19.20 | formi | really cold |
| 15:19.28 | formi | hi JAV |
| 15:19.31 | wlesspcmcia | it is not cold |
| 15:19.49 | wlesspcmcia | it was cold last week |
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| 15:21.52 | unclex | What sort of video streaming are you talking about |
| 15:24.28 | wlesspcmcia | r u talkin 2 me? |
| 15:27.19 | formi | wlesspcmcia: you were the one who mentioned it in the first place |
| 15:27.57 | unclex | HAHAHAHA |
| 15:28.49 | unclex | Videos of walking the dog in the park? |
| 15:29.06 | wlesspcmcia | adult entertainment |
| 15:29.38 | unclex | Joking aside - what type of media are you going the stream |
| 15:29.48 | unclex | are you joking |
| 15:29.49 | wlesspcmcia | adult entertainment, not joking |
| 15:30.04 | unclex | this is not that type of place |
| 15:30.12 | wlesspcmcia | what do you mean? |
| 15:31.04 | formi | wlesspcmcia: don't you have a class to go to? |
| 15:31.38 | wlesspcmcia | a class? i finished school in the arly 80s |
| 15:31.55 | unclex | Is this not a Linux user group or is it a sex entertainment group - NOT |
| 15:32.12 | wlesspcmcia | sex? i did not mention sex! |
| 15:32.18 | unclex | westminster where |
| 15:34.12 | unclex | Collage does not teach you much these days |
| 15:35.10 | unclex | cya formi |
| 15:35.14 | wlesspcmcia | unclex, did you study there? |
| 15:35.21 | unclex | funny |
| 15:35.50 | unclex | what NMK |
| 15:35.56 | wlesspcmcia | it was fun for you to study there? |
| 15:36.10 | unclex | who is this guy |
| 15:36.21 | wlesspcmcia | New Milton Keynes College? |
| 15:40.53 | unclex | So wire for less were are you calling from today |
| 15:42.37 | wlesspcmcia | r u talkin 2 me? |
| 15:43.33 | unclex | Oh sorry just call me Mr Typo |
| 15:46.23 | pdr | are you both coming to the meeting on saturday? |
| 15:46.45 | formi | me and myself |
| 15:47.06 | pdr | i meant wlesspcmcia and unclex |
| 15:47.43 | wlesspcmcia | maybe if i can get a wireless pcmcia card at my local retailer |
| 15:48.00 | pdr | you're coming you said didn't you formi? i can't ermember. |
| 15:48.27 | formi | pdr: i don't think unclex is serious enough |
| 15:48.30 | wlesspcmcia | so far none has told me, buy this -g model which works ok on linux |
| 15:48.38 | pdr | formi: do you know which pub it is that we're going to? |
| 15:49.09 | pdr | wlesspcmcia: you could always do your own googling |
| 15:49.19 | wlesspcmcia | i did |
| 15:49.40 | wlesspcmcia | but nothing relevant and guaranteed to work in the uk |
| 15:49.57 | unclex | yes I may come with formi |
| 15:51.10 | unclex | buy the cisco card Aironet 350 PCMICA |
| 15:51.11 | formi | as they say in place "montas un circo, e crecenche os enanos" |
| 15:51.40 | wlesspcmcia | is that a g card? i won't buy a b one |
| 15:51.59 | unclex | no |
| 15:52.09 | wlesspcmcia | you see |
| 15:52.10 | unclex | go to PCWORLD |
| 15:52.18 | unclex | you see wot |
| 15:52.32 | wlesspcmcia | so far none has told me, buy this -g model which works ok on linux |
| 15:52.36 | unclex | dlink will also work |
| 15:52.51 | wlesspcmcia | dlink is a brand not a model |
| 15:54.12 | wlesspcmcia | formi: could you please translate? |
| 15:54.48 | formi | the joke was meant for pdr |
| 15:55.28 | wlesspcmcia | but what does it mean? linguistically challenged me would like to know! |
| 15:55.51 | pdr | formi: i think i understand |
| 15:56.00 | unclex | http://www.sitecom.com/ do some good cards |
| 15:56.23 | wlesspcmcia | pdr: d'ya speak the lingo? |
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| 15:58.55 | formi | wlesspcmcia: http://www.openbsd.org/i386.html |
| 15:59.20 | formi | there you have a few wireless cards that work as they should |
| 15:59.28 | pdr | wlesspcmcia: i speak a little portuguese which is similar to galego, formi's language |
| 16:00.09 | wlesspcmcia | ok |
| 16:00.30 | unclex | http://tuxmobil.org/pcmcia_linux.html |
| 16:00.36 | unclex | here is another |
| 16:01.16 | wlesspcmcia | openbsd site which i visited before mentions some g pcmcia cards which can not be found at retailers. |
| 16:01.18 | pdr | later |
| 16:04.24 | unclex | 3com 3CRWE62092A |
| 16:05.28 | unclex | cya bye for now |
| 16:05.41 | unclex | or next Saturday |
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| 16:51.50 | zachary | ello! |
| 16:52.35 | formi | hi zach |
| 16:52.50 | wethrin | zach! |
| 16:53.08 | formi | missing us? |
| 16:53.13 | zachary | hey formi, wethrin |
| 16:53.21 | zachary | formi, yes! :( |
| 16:54.14 | formi | you missed the "big chill" that we had for 2 weeks |
| 16:54.28 | zachary | how bad? |
| 16:54.56 | formi | a bit of heavy snow |
| 16:55.00 | zachary | We dropped 20degF today, and supose to get snow. |
| 16:55.55 | formi | 20F, isn't that something like 1/2 Centigrade? |
| 16:56.44 | zachary | no just from low 50's to low 30's |
| 16:57.27 | formi | i only understand Centigrades |
| 16:58.05 | zachary | I'll take snow in London anyday. Completely shuts things down, here things are just delayed for two hours. People can't drive worth anything here, add snow(AHHHHHH!) |
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| 17:00.13 | zachary | woops! frigen Xchat on mac, what dumb F* put the exit buttons on the channel tabs! |
| 17:00.19 | wethrin | :) |
| 17:00.47 | zachary | ok wethrin, I'm not dissing mac. |
| 17:00.58 | wethrin | I know. Just xchat |
| 17:07.02 | zachary | Is their anyway to copy files(except those with .bak) into a subdirecty "foo/"? I'm trying to avoid using "cp *.* foo/ ; rm -f foo/*.bak". I've tried negating the character class "cp *.[!b][!a][!k] foo/" but this leaves out a few files. |
| 17:09.55 | wethrin | What's wrong with the first thing? |
| 17:10.32 | wethrin | Doesn't GNU cp allow --exclude's? |
| 17:12.16 | zachary | SunOS 5.8 |
| 17:13.26 | wethrin | Ahh |
| 17:13.32 | wethrin | Install the GNU system tools :) |
| 17:14.49 | zachary | Yea, university is going to love me for that one, "Hey, can I have root access?" |
| 17:16.11 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 17:18.11 | zachary | wethrin, are you on the pub-scout team for the new venue? |
| 17:18.47 | wethrin | Nope. I'm on the other side of the country |
| 17:22.16 | mozrat | zachary, couldn't you use the find command to do that |
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| 17:29.33 | zachary | yea, it's snowing! |
| 17:30.32 | wethrin | :) |
| 17:33.38 | mozrat | zachary, not sure you can do a inverse filter with find ( as in find files that *aren't* called something) but find ./ -name 'foo*' -exec cp {} /tmp ';' would copy the files to /tmp |
| 17:37.01 | zachary | I hear thunder, I need to shut things down. Thanks mozrat. bbl |
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| 17:47.17 | rhowe | Fibre Channel cable, copper, 2 x DB9, plug/plug 5 m, 2 Gb/s, 27 AWG |
| 17:47.26 | rhowe | So, a serial cable, pretty much |
| 17:47.32 | rhowe | That'll be a hundred quid, please |
| 17:48.50 | SlayerXP | can a serial cable handle 2.5gb/sec? |
| 17:49.06 | SlayerXP | i suppose it probably can |
| 17:50.31 | rhowe | It can if it's 27AWG, 5m long and shielded, it seems :) |
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| 19:23.24 | Marios_ | evening guys |
| 19:24.35 | ar | hi |
| 19:25.52 | Marios_ | anybody alive? |
| 19:26.38 | ar | what's up? |
| 19:27.18 | ar | amusing post on the vi vs emacs thread |
| 19:28.58 | Marios_ | :) |
| 19:29.32 | ar | and indeed even after a quick google i know not how to save to a write protected file in emacs |
| 19:29.53 | ar | just reinforces my vi addiction |
| 19:36.06 | ar | gah, there is some absolute nonsense written about vi on the web |
| 19:37.58 | Marios_ | I prefer vi as well |
| 19:39.53 | ar | emacs users just seem to find vi commands nonsensical it would seem |
| 19:40.44 | ar | http://billharlan.com/pub/emacs/ <-- intresting |
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| 20:31.37 | Leeds | http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21669 |
| 20:32.48 | rhowe | ar: Maybe you duplicate the buffer and save it? :) |
| 20:33.04 | rhowe | da1: <SEAGATE ST32171W SUN2.1G 7462> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device |
| 20:33.04 | rhowe | da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled |
| 20:33.04 | rhowe | da1: 2029MB (4157201 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 258C) |
| 20:33.09 | rhowe | woo, drive is alive :) |
| 20:33.12 | Leeds | to paraphrase: "Intel Israel wants to hire Richard" |
| 20:33.22 | rhowe | heh |
| 20:33.40 | Leeds | it's pretty well-aimed at my situation :-) |
| 20:34.18 | eye69 | Leeds: Cool. Go for it. |
| 20:34.45 | Leeds | eye69: I should just try mailing the woman mentioned in the site... |
| 20:34.50 | eye69 | Then send me a few CPU's. :) |
| 20:34.59 | Leeds | actually, I should probably look on Intel's site for job listings... |
| 20:35.29 | eye69 | Heh. |
| 20:35.51 | eye69 | I used to be all-Intel, but my AMD64 has been working fine. |
| 20:36.22 | eye69 | Anyway, I'm off home. Best of luck to you. |
| 20:36.36 | Leeds | I've been largely AMD (when I do x86 at all) for a while |
| 20:36.44 | rhowe | hm, I don't think I run a single CPU which I purchased as such :) |
| 20:36.45 | Leeds | seeya :-) |
| 20:36.51 | rhowe | Oh, I have a Duron 1.1 |
| 20:37.02 | rhowe | And I bought an A64 for my parents |
| 20:37.29 | Leeds | okay, I don't want to work for Intel UK, I think |
| 20:37.51 | rhowe | hmmm |
| 20:37.57 | rhowe | $ fdisk |
| 20:37.57 | rhowe | fdisk: not found |
| 20:38.18 | rhowe | # fdisk |
| 20:38.18 | rhowe | fdisk: Command not found. |
| 20:38.18 | rhowe | hmmmmmm |
| 20:39.01 | rhowe | ah, it seems to be called disklabel in FreeBSD |
| 20:39.18 | rhowe | Or at least, a utility which does similar things |
| 20:39.22 | Leeds | okay, so is https://jobs.intel.com/jobs/jobs.iccw messed up in firefox (mozilla?) for other people? |
| 20:40.14 | rhowe | Text overlaps in Epiphany (Gecko-based) here |
| 20:40.15 | Leeds | text displayed over other text and so on |
| 20:40.16 | Leeds | right |
| 20:40.35 | rhowe | 8 partitions: |
| 20:40.35 | rhowe | # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] |
| 20:40.35 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.54 | rhowe | Now I would assume that if there really were 8 partitions, there would be 7 more lines of output... |
| 20:41.10 | rhowe | However, since the disk is only 2G... |
| 20:41.21 | Leeds | are you sure you're not confusing slices and partitions? |
| 20:41.47 | Leeds | or some such issue |
| 20:42.03 | rhowe | Possibly |
| 20:42.21 | rhowe | partitions are divided into slices, IIRC |
| 20:42.49 | rhowe | I think it just needs formatting (it's a new disk) |
| 20:45.16 | Leeds | yes - unixware and solaris, at least, only use a single partition - but they slice it up |
| 20:45.54 | rhowe | partition table inside a partition, I guess |
| 20:46.07 | Leeds | yeah |
| 20:46.13 | ufo | Hi guys, |
| 20:46.21 | Leeds | I guess there's more metadata than the partition table can hold or something |
| 20:46.23 | Leeds | ufo: hey |
| 20:46.34 | ufo | Anyone knows how much in UK costs LPG filler cap |
| 20:46.47 | ufo | ive lost one any there is nowhere in Poland that such of cap :( |
| 20:47.54 | rhowe | /dev/da1c 2.0G 2.0K 1.8G 0% /mnt |
| 20:47.56 | rhowe | ooh :) |
| 20:48.09 | Leeds | ufo: no idea, sorry |
| 20:48.26 | ufo | np |
| 20:48.57 | ufo | mozrat is coming over here again and I thought he might help me and get one for me |
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| 20:50.22 | SpudULike | Hi guys |
| 20:50.27 | Leeds | evening SpudULike |
| 20:51.39 | SpudULike | Long time not been about. Anything happen? |
| 20:53.02 | Leeds | to me? :-) |
| 20:53.35 | SpudULike | If anything interesting has happened to you and you wish to share it, then ... |
| 20:53.50 | Leeds | you know I got laid off while I was at LinuxWorld? |
| 20:54.05 | SpudULike | Though I suspect the stuff that you may not want to share would be even more interesting ;-) |
| 20:54.13 | Leeds | I wish |
| 20:54.23 | SpudULike | Bah! No. Did you hear at the show? |
| 20:55.19 | Leeds | got to Boston on Sunday, was setting up, working, etc. on the show floor on Monday, show officially opened Tuesday - there was a meeting in Watford at 10am on Tuesday to tell us we were gone |
| 20:56.08 | SpudULike | Did you have any idea it might haver been coming? |
| 20:57.00 | Leeds | not really... I'd heard rumours, but discounted them, because they clashed with what we *did* know about the office move... I guessed on Monday when I saw the email announcing the meeting |
| 20:58.19 | Leeds | and now I'm browsing the Israeli government website looking for information about temporary resident status... |
| 20:58.22 | SpudULike | Sorry to hear the bad news. You still there at the moment? |
| 20:58.29 | Leeds | still where? :-) |
| 20:58.53 | SpudULike | Working in Watford, or have you left already? |
| 20:59.26 | Leeds | oh, they gave us a week to get out of the office - and I wasn't back until Friday... I've been to FOSDEM in the meantime, and I've been in Israel since Sunday :-) |
| 20:59.57 | SpudULike | Ah, yeah, I REALLY haven't been about much! |
| 21:00.38 | SpudULike | So, no time to set up some nifty back doors or anything. |
| 21:00.51 | Leeds | not really |
| 21:01.56 | SpudULike | It might be a good thing though, it will allow you to focus on the move to Israel. |
| 21:03.31 | Leeds | indeed |
| 21:04.34 | Leeds | although at the moment I'm enjoying the holiday too much - not getting any 'work' done |
| 21:04.37 | JAV | good evening |
| 21:04.44 | SpudULike | Are you optimistic about a temp. res. status? Could it be brought about quickly? |
| 21:07.10 | Leeds | well, I'm not intending to do it while I'm here on this trip, but yeah, I think it's relatively easy - it's under the same immigration rules as the regular 'Jewish' immigration, but only lasts for 3 years, doesn't grant full citizenship (voting, passport, etc.) |
| 21:08.26 | SpudULike | Were you not looking for full citizenship, is this temp status a stop-gap? |
| 21:08.44 | Leeds | it's a procrastination strategy... |
| 21:08.58 | Leeds | I like procrastination strategies :-) |
| 21:09.55 | SpudULike | You can tell me what procrastination means later. Doesn't Sun's move remove the need for such strategies? |
| 21:10.21 | Leeds | SpudULike: nah, putting off making serious decisions is always a good thing... |
| 21:10.54 | SpudULike | Hmm, you'll have to go some way to convince me of that. |
| 21:13.16 | Leeds | in theory, the whole getting a passport thing would be one of the easiest parts of moving out here, but the practical stuff doesn't worry me - it probably should - while the concept of getting citizenship scares me |
| 21:16.27 | SpudULike | It is a very big step to make, but it's one that you've been wanting to make, or so it seems to me, for a long while. And anyway, what's to fear? |
| 21:16.52 | Leeds | fear itself |
| 21:17.42 | Leeds | hmm... raining |
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| 21:18.22 | SpudULike | Here too. Must get some food, back alter. |
| 21:26.06 | George | bored. |
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| 21:32.42 | Leeds | George: I suggest blowing up some more of your hardware |
| 21:33.03 | BobtheAvenger | replace your bios using a chainsaw |
| 21:33.19 | George | Leeds: why? |
| 21:33.24 | George | Leeds: I don't blow up hardware. |
| 21:33.33 | Leeds | you seem to kill a lot of hardware |
| 21:33.45 | Leeds | hmm... lots of rain, by the sound of things |
| 21:33.58 | George | I don't kill much hardware at all. |
| 21:34.20 | George | 2 hard disks != a lot of hardware |
| 21:35.04 | Leeds | and monitors |
| 21:35.13 | BobtheAvenger | 2 hard disks + george = destruction!!!! |
| 21:35.40 | rhowe | http://www.siksai.co.uk/~rhowe/bed-left.jpg and bed-right.jpg :) |
| 21:35.41 | George | Leeds: I've not destroyed any monitors... |
| 21:36.11 | Leeds | George: I thought you'd had a monitor or two die on you |
| 21:36.26 | George | Leeds: er, no. |
| 21:36.52 | George | rhowe: er, why? :) |
| 21:37.00 | Leeds | rhowe: you have a machine with a lighted window under your bed? |
| 21:37.16 | rhowe | Leeds: er, yes :P |
| 21:37.39 | rhowe | Leeds: The window was installed at a time before I moved to London :) |
| 21:37.52 | Leeds | ah |
| 21:38.22 | rhowe | Leeds: In the flat in Hendon, the computer was behind a door in the loft space :P |
| 21:38.28 | Leeds | yes, I remember |
| 21:39.17 | rhowe | At least now it bathes the room in a pinkish glow at night |
| 21:39.34 | Leeds | how is this a good thing? |
| 21:40.17 | George | heh, I've got a blue LED fan in my case; it was the cheapest 120mm fan I could find at the time |
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| 21:40.49 | Leeds | evening mozrat |
| 21:40.53 | rhowe | Leeds: *shrug* I can sleep with the noise, I can sleep with the light :) |
| 21:40.59 | Leeds | heh |
| 21:41.02 | rhowe | Leeds: No need to go fumbling for light switches, etc |
| 21:41.20 | Leeds | rhowe: you weren't here last night... I use my laptop screen for that |
| 21:41.36 | rhowe | Leeds: heh, no laptop :) |
| 21:42.43 | Leeds | I suggest getting a laptop to read dead-tree books with |
| 21:45.11 | George | I can sleep through anything |
| 21:45.45 | Leeds | ooh, that sounds like a boast which needs testing... |
| 21:45.58 | rhowe | Very loud wailer right above my head. I've been awake when it's gone off and it's actually physically painful. I slept through it :P |
| 21:46.32 | Leeds | I managed to sleep through an earthquake - beat that |
| 21:46.54 | George | Leeds: btw, I rectificed my dreadful sin of not watching Dead Like Me |
| 21:46.59 | Leeds | George: and? |
| 21:47.09 | George | Leeds: what do you mean "and"? |
| 21:47.18 | Leeds | what did you think? |
| 21:47.24 | George | it's very amusing |
| 21:47.37 | George | I mean, an 18 year old girl getting killed by a toilet seat.. talk about toilet humour. |
| 21:49.22 | Leeds | mmm... 18 year old dead girl... |
| 21:50.24 | rhowe | Leeds: Hm, Damien S. has been with $gf for 7.5 years now, longer than he's been using Linux, even |
| 21:50.35 | Leeds | good for him |
| 21:51.10 | George | I've been using like for more than 7.5 years I think |
| 21:51.32 | Leeds | well, like, I've been using it for over 9 years, dude |
| 21:51.46 | George | yeah, but I'm young and ickle |
| 21:52.06 | BobtheAvenger | dont start that |
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| 21:52.22 | George | BobtheAvenger: how old are you? |
| 21:52.33 | BobtheAvenger | abit younger than you |
| 21:52.40 | George | lol, probably |
| 21:52.47 | BobtheAvenger | 15ish |
| 21:53.06 | Leeds | ish? |
| 21:53.24 | BobtheAvenger | i jus say ish for peoples reaction |
| 21:53.49 | BobtheAvenger | 1st year of GSCEs |
| 21:53.51 | Leeds | so you're somewhere between, say, 5 and 25? |
| 21:54.11 | BobtheAvenger | 1st year of GCSEs |
| 21:54.18 | George | Leeds: haha |
| 21:54.39 | George | BobtheAvenger: how long have you been using linux for? |
| 21:54.46 | George | AngelChild: what are you going to do instead? |
| 21:54.50 | AngelChild | compsci \o/ |
| 21:54.55 | George | AngelChild: and Maths rocks! I'm thinking of applying for maths at uni instead of compsci |
| 21:54.58 | AngelChild | which is my course... but without the electronics \o/ |
| 21:55.06 | AngelChild | so less calculus |
| 21:55.08 | AngelChild | and more discrete |
| 21:55.16 | Leeds | AngelChild: I suggest ancient French literature |
| 21:55.17 | BobtheAvenger | well i ent used it yet cos it ent installing adm, i install it, boot up n windows is bk |
| 21:55.23 | AngelChild | Leeds: ta :P |
| 21:55.44 | George | BobtheAvenger: grub/lilo isn't being installed to the MBR? |
| 21:55.53 | George | AngelChild: go for pure maths :) |
| 21:56.07 | AngelChild | well, the maths bit isn't actually that bit |
| 21:56.09 | Leeds | a floppy xd? do they make them? |
| 21:56.11 | AngelChild | it's when it's applied to comms |
| 21:56.17 | AngelChild | xD = anime smilie :P |
| 21:56.18 | BobtheAvenger | i think the hdd is full but i cant be arsed to open it up to replace it |
| 21:56.32 | Leeds | AngelChild: as opposed to the memory card format? :-) |
| 21:56.39 | AngelChild | Leeds: yes :P |
| 21:56.50 | George | blah |
| 21:56.56 | George | grumble |
| 21:57.21 | George | BobtheAvenger: what subjects are you doing? |
| 21:57.44 | George | AngelChild: coursework isn't too bad |
| 21:57.48 | Leeds | GCSEs are stupidly easy |
| 21:58.04 | George | yes, yes they are |
| 21:58.07 | BobtheAvenger | 2 english, 2 math, 2 science, tech, german, latin and i think thats it |
| 21:58.12 | George | I didn't do any work and I still did reasonably well |
| 21:58.33 | AngelChild | GCSEs can be revised direct from the syllabus |
| 21:58.34 | BobtheAvenger | GCSEs are easy if your smart, the rest of us are working |
| 21:58.48 | AngelChild | <George> AngelChild: coursework isn't too bad <--- it is if you don't care about global warming when doing a comp eng course |
| 21:59.00 | George | AngelChild: heh |
| 21:59.22 | George | now the question is, should I aply for maths or compsci at uni? |
| 21:59.33 | AngelChild | whichever your instinct tells you |
| 21:59.36 | BobtheAvenger | the cheeper course |
| 21:59.46 | ar | just don't do both together - its a bad idea |
| 21:59.52 | George | ar: haha |
| 21:59.59 | George | ar: so no combined maths/compsci? :) |
| 22:00.08 | George | I was thinking of applying for maths + compsci at cam |
| 22:00.12 | ar | argh |
| 22:00.20 | ar | i would strongly advise against that |
| 22:00.25 | George | why? |
| 22:00.27 | BobtheAvenger | i'm thinking of passing GSCEs |
| 22:00.41 | George | it's 75% maths in the first year, then in the remaining years you choose to do either pure maths or pure compsci |
| 22:00.41 | ar | i did maths and comp sci at imperial and i wished i'd had made my mind up and just done one |
| 22:00.59 | Leeds | I started doing economics and comp sci. |
| 22:01.07 | Leeds | dropped the economics after the first year |
| 22:01.09 | George | heh |
| 22:01.13 | BobtheAvenger | 100 pages on 1+1=2!!! |
| 22:02.00 | Leeds | I went to a proper redbrick and I'm proud of it |
| 22:04.02 | BobtheAvenger | i just want to get GCSEs out the way, i know that thats as far as i'll get so it only 1 1/2 more years |
| 22:04.19 | Leeds | BobtheAvenger: why would you stop after GCSEs? |
| 22:05.19 | BobtheAvenger | cos i need atleast 6As for Alevels and i got as much chance of that as getting 100% on my next physics text test |
| 22:06.03 | Leeds | 6 As for a-levels, really? |
| 22:06.08 | BobtheAvenger | yep |
| 22:06.11 | George | what for? |
| 22:06.19 | Leeds | wow, they really did get devalued! |
| 22:06.26 | BobtheAvenger | i cant continue into 6th form without them |
| 22:06.28 | George | even I'm only going to do 5 next year.. |
| 22:06.33 | George | oh wait |
| 22:06.39 | George | 6 As to get into the sixth form |
| 22:06.42 | Leeds | George: 6 As at GCSE |
| 22:06.43 | George | misunderstood that :) |
| 22:06.59 | George | Leeds: yeah, GCSEs are stupidly easy. You should see some of the papers. |
| 22:07.05 | George | And I still managed a B in GCSE RS because.. I rock :) |
| 22:07.21 | rhowe | Leeds: Well I managed to get an A* in maths without any revision at GCSE :P |
| 22:07.24 | Leeds | I got a B in RS... of course, that's probably an A** in today's money... |
| 22:07.28 | BobtheAvenger | the marking scheme is shit and i'm stupid so i got no chance |
| 22:07.29 | Leeds | kids of today, etc. etc. |
| 22:07.34 | George | Leeds: RS sucks :) |
| 22:07.48 | Leeds | rhowe: you're that much younger than me? A* came along a while after me, I thought |
| 22:08.00 | Leeds | George: yes, it does - theology and learning about religion is so much more interesting |
| 22:08.20 | George | I'm an atheist. |
| 22:08.32 | Leeds | what's that got to do with anything? |
| 22:08.46 | George | I think religion is a load of rubbish |
| 22:08.52 | rhowe | Leeds: I'm 22 |
| 22:09.00 | BobtheAvenger | my RE teacher before i gave it up was atheist |
| 22:09.01 | Leeds | and, again, what's that got to do with studying it... |
| 22:09.04 | rhowe | Leeds: Youngest member of my company, as it happens :) |
| 22:09.06 | Leeds | rhowe: hmm... you *are* young! |
| 22:09.28 | George | Leeds: as far as I'm concerned it's an artificial subject which is completely pointless ;) |
| 22:09.51 | Leeds | George: it's one of the most interesting branches of sociology there is, if you want to look at it that way |
| 22:10.06 | George | ugh, sociology. |
| 22:10.30 | Leeds | sociology being one of the most interesting subjects of any kind... along with anthropology |
| 22:10.31 | BobtheAvenger | geoge: so the fact that over 4 billion people have a religion which the believe is pointless? |
| 22:10.44 | George | BobtheAvenger: yes. |
| 22:11.07 | George | As an atheist I'm an arrogant anti-religious dickhead |
| 22:11.36 | BobtheAvenger | so you would discount 4 billion people's opinion because you have your own opinion? |
| 22:11.53 | George | yes. I don't believe in blind faith. |
| 22:12.25 | BobtheAvenger | its esily arguable that most of science it blind faith |
| 22:13.17 | George | science is a quest to find models that we, as humans, can understand to improve humanity |
| 22:13.52 | Leeds | so is religion, in many ways :-P |
| 22:14.03 | George | and there is no doubt that scientific research has played an important role in development of, say, medicine. |
| 22:14.10 | George | Leeds: no, it's not. |
| 22:14.12 | BobtheAvenger | but i could never prove to you that a subatomic particle cannot have a fixed velocity or position but we still beleive it |
| 22:14.37 | George | BobtheAvenger: nope, but there is evidence to suggest that there are subatomic particles. There is no evidence whatsoever to say that there is a divine being. |
| 22:15.10 | BobtheAvenger | george: read all of what i wrote before you reply |
| 22:15.29 | BobtheAvenger | ibot heisenburg uncertainty principle |
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| 22:15.35 | George | I'm talking about blind faith. That means faith based on belief and nothing more. |
| 22:16.09 | George | there is /evidence to suggest the presence of subatomic particles/ or at least something that /behaves like a subatomic particle/, ergo it is not blind faith. |
| 22:16.35 | George | blah |
| 22:16.47 | BobtheAvenger | george: i'm describing the heisenburg uncertainty principle |
| 22:16.51 | George | *slaps self*, I know about heisenburg's uncertainty principle |
| 22:17.18 | BobtheAvenger | then why you caught up on sub atomic particles |
| 22:17.28 | Leeds | mmm... croutons |
| 22:17.30 | George | I misread it |
| 22:17.45 | BobtheAvenger | ok |
| 22:18.53 | BobtheAvenger | the point i'm making is that you belive the heisenburg uncertainty principle which would seem to some how religion seems to you |
| 22:19.06 | George | but still, what has that to do with anything? scientists do not believe to know the absolute position of a subatomic particle, and hence why it's not blind faith. That's why the uncertainty principle exists. |
| 22:22.01 | George | I think the heisenberg uncertainty principle has been proven anyway |
| 22:22.39 | BobtheAvenger | but to some one thats never seem proof of it beleiving in it seems like blind faith |
| 22:23.00 | George | yes, but proof exists. No proof exists for the existance of a divine being. |
| 22:23.15 | George | and any that has been proposed can be disproved rather easily |
| 22:23.32 | Leeds | BobtheAvenger: so, I'd like your advice... should I move to Israel or not? |
| 22:23.40 | George | Leeds: don't. |
| 22:23.47 | George | Leeds: stay around in Hendon :P |
| 22:23.57 | Leeds | George: a) I wasn't asking you and b) why not? |
| 22:24.12 | BobtheAvenger | erm, dont ask my advise, its never any help |
| 22:24.20 | George | Leeds: I know you weren't asking me, but this is a public channel :P |
| 22:24.31 | George | Leeds: and because I'd like to continue ripping you off :) |
| 22:24.33 | Leeds | BobtheAvenger: I'm asking |
| 22:25.28 | BobtheAvenger | erm, personally, if i have on reason to stay, i'd go once the new road map to peace is further in place |
| 22:26.39 | BobtheAvenger | but my advise never works |
| 22:27.23 | Leeds | so you're saying "not yet"? although, to be honest, the whole war/peace situation doesn't make much difference to me, except possibly in how it affects the economy... for the record, I know of at least 3 places I've been in the past two days which have been bombed :-( |
| 22:28.01 | BobtheAvenger | well, i assume your going there for a job so stability would be good for that |
| 22:28.09 | Leeds | (Carmel market, Mike's Place, and the Diezengoff centre) |
| 22:29.43 | Leeds | oh, and it seems this afternoon I was sitting on the beach a few hundred metres from where the bomb was last week... |
| 22:30.08 | Leeds | mmm... teapot :-) |
| 22:30.15 | BobtheAvenger | mmm pizza |
| 22:30.42 | BobtheAvenger | where are you? |
| 22:31.00 | Leeds | a town north-east of Tel Aviv called Ra'anana |
| 22:31.05 | BobtheAvenger | ok |
| 22:31.41 | Leeds | Rechov (street) Levi Eshkol, to be more precise - I could be more precise than that, but I don't think you need to know the exact address :-) |
| 22:32.28 | BobtheAvenger | if you give the the exact address chances are i'll use it as my one when 'registering' software |
| 22:32.47 | Leeds | yeah, don't do that - wouldn't be fair to my host |
| 22:32.58 | BobtheAvenger | i wont |
| 22:33.20 | BobtheAvenger | i got better things to do usually |
| 22:34.06 | BobtheAvenger | well when i say better i mean more pointless |
| 22:34.13 | Leeds | I assumed... |
| 22:34.16 | AngelChild | mm, pointlessness... |
| 22:34.34 | BobtheAvenger | its like the story of the brocken pencil |
| 22:34.39 | AngelChild | although the idea of using large amounts of silver balloons to reflect sunlight is intriguing |
| 22:35.01 | AngelChild | it was rejected by a committee in 1992, but still xD |
| 22:35.16 | BobtheAvenger | a committee on wot? |
| 22:35.22 | AngelChild | other ideas include spraying vast amounts of seawater into the atmosphere in order to create more cooling cloud cover |
| 22:35.37 | BobtheAvenger | not a good idea |
| 22:35.38 | AngelChild | prevention of global warming :) |
| 22:36.02 | BobtheAvenger | clouds insulate and reflect heat back towards the earth |
| 22:36.03 | AngelChild | that or spraying hundreds of dust particles into the atmosphere to reflect it |
| 22:36.09 | BobtheAvenger | same |
| 22:36.15 | AngelChild | BobtheAvenger: not if the heat doesn't reach the earth in the first place |
| 22:36.18 | AngelChild | i think was their point |
| 22:36.34 | BobtheAvenger | but the heat which does get in is trapped |
| 22:36.48 | BobtheAvenger | thats why its warmer on a cloudy day than on a clear one |
| 22:36.51 | AngelChild | yes, but it can't be trapped if if doesn't reach. that or vast arrays of orbital mirrors xD |
| 22:37.01 | AngelChild | BobtheAvenger: this is on a global scale anyway |
| 22:37.14 | AngelChild | specifically more clouds would be created above the atlantic |
| 22:37.38 | BobtheAvenger | ok but thats what would happen, dont blame me when all thats left is use and woodlice |
| 22:37.49 | BobtheAvenger | * us |
| 22:38.22 | Leeds | but God wouldn't let that happen now, would He? |
| 22:38.36 | AngelChild | to be honest, these techniques assume the world's warming up ANYWAY :) |
| 22:38.39 | BobtheAvenger | i'm christian and even i dont beleive that |
| 22:39.10 | AngelChild | incidentally, apparently oceanic plankton create clouds when there's too much UV light as well - http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-07/nsfc-wst071204.php |
| 22:39.19 | AngelChild | which is nice of them |
| 22:39.21 | Leeds | AngelChild: it was snowing in London last week, and it's raining on the coastal plain in Israel - tell me the world is warming up again :-) |
| 22:39.39 | AngelChild | Leeds: one effect of global temperature rise is that europe gets colder, apparently :) |
| 22:39.48 | Leeds | um... |
| 22:39.49 | BobtheAvenger | probably the most part of it is the fact that variations in the earth orbit etc are lining up |
| 22:40.22 | Leeds | BobtheAvenger: you're saying we're resonating? that's a scary thought |
| 22:40.32 | AngelChild | actually i read an article this morning that suggests we'd be in an ice age right now if our ancestors hadn't released CO2 and CH4 into the atmosphere due to their farming techniques |
| 22:40.45 | AngelChild | which is nice of them |
| 22:40.56 | Leeds | aren't we due for a magnetic pole switchover as well? |
| 22:41.03 | AngelChild | to conclude: no one really has an idea what's going on xD |
| 22:41.06 | Jango | in a few thousand years or something |
| 22:41.10 | AngelChild | apparently so |
| 22:41.18 | BobtheAvenger | i'm saying that there are 3 different ?celestulary? motoins on the earth which vary |
| 22:41.42 | Leeds | celestial? |
| 22:41.56 | BobtheAvenger | that too |
| 22:42.05 | AngelChild | aye, the earth's orbit and wobbly axis tends to alter climate over periods thousands of years long |
| 22:42.26 | Leeds | I blame the Romans... |
| 22:42.28 | BobtheAvenger | yer, that causes ice ages and global heating |
| 22:42.48 | BobtheAvenger | why romans? |
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| 22:44.35 | Leeds | or even tomorrow |
| 22:44.46 | Leeds | the holy city... |
| 22:44.54 | BobtheAvenger | yep |
| 22:44.58 | Jango | why's it holy? |
| 22:45.01 | Leeds | for a LUG meeting on Google Hacking :-) |
| 22:45.09 | BobtheAvenger | heh |
| 22:45.32 | BobtheAvenger | easter is so screwed up this year |
| 22:45.39 | Leeds | Jango: central site in Judaism, many of the central sites in Christianity, third holiest site in Islam |
| 22:46.09 | Leeds | BobtheAvenger: this year is a leap year in the Hebrew calendar... there's an extra *month* |
| 22:46.16 | BobtheAvenger | fun |
| 22:46.39 | BobtheAvenger | pesah is 2 weeks late but easter is about a month early |
| 22:46.56 | Leeds | pesah? |
| 22:47.01 | BobtheAvenger | passover |
| 22:47.02 | Jango | if something is central, it doesn't make it holy |
| 22:47.09 | Leeds | ah, pesach |
| 22:47.26 | BobtheAvenger | yer i pronouns it like that but i cant spell it |
| 22:47.36 | Leeds | Jango: well, I can't speak for christians (bob, can you?), but it's a holy city for Muslims and Jews |
| 22:48.02 | BobtheAvenger | i personally beleive it is and there are loads of pilgrimages there |
| 22:48.13 | Jango | BobtheAvenger, based on what is it holy? |
| 22:48.28 | Jango | i'm christian and i don't regard any place on earth as holy |
| 22:48.30 | Leeds | I have been in the church of the holy sepuchler - quite impressive |
| 22:48.55 | Leeds | or however you spell it |
| 22:48.56 | BobtheAvenger | based on the fact that it is where jesus spend his last week |
| 22:49.34 | Jango | He was despised in Jerusalen |
| 22:49.42 | Jango | Jerusalem* |
| 22:49.56 | BobtheAvenger | thats cos of the pharases |
| 22:50.12 | Jango | no, the "crowds" despised Him too |
| 22:50.19 | BobtheAvenger | no thats bull |
| 22:50.24 | Jango | hence why they shouted: "crucify Him" |
| 22:50.36 | Leeds | release roger |
| 22:50.45 | Jango | Leeds, correct |
| 22:50.51 | BobtheAvenger | hence the bit where the romans threaten them |
| 22:51.43 | Jango | you reckon that the crowds were incited by the romans? |
| 22:52.26 | BobtheAvenger | would you tempt them, if they threatened you? |
| 22:52.51 | Jango | the Jews were used to being threatened by them |
| 22:53.01 | Jango | the soldiers and the Jews hated each other anyway |
| 22:53.17 | BobtheAvenger | and? |
| 22:53.56 | Jango | well, i'm suggesting that the crowd had responsibility, and you are trying to eliminate them from responsibility |
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| 22:54.33 | BobtheAvenger | i'm trying to say they have a more than proverbial sword to the throat |
| 22:57.28 | Jango | well, whatever, i can't see how it makes Jerusalem a holy place |
| 22:57.44 | rhowe | heh, guy I know who's looking at doing some online courses... <Nanuq> I like how they nestle "Laying Off Employees" between "Lead and Develop Your Staff", "Leading a Team" and "Leading and Motivating" |
| 22:57.57 | BobtheAvenger | well i dont expect people to agree with me ever |
| 22:57.59 | Leeds | lol |
| 22:58.15 | BobtheAvenger | lol |
| 22:58.48 | BobtheAvenger | chainsaws for dummies |
| 22:59.42 | BobtheAvenger | leeds is perl interpreted or compiled? |
| 23:00.03 | Leeds | uh, yes, I think :-) |
| 23:00.12 | BobtheAvenger | which? :) |
| 23:00.31 | Leeds | quite possibly both |
| 23:00.50 | rhowe | Yes, you can compile perl |
| 23:00.54 | BobtheAvenger | like java? |
| 23:01.51 | Leeds | rhowe: is the bytecode portable? |
| 23:01.55 | rhowe | I don't think there's an agreed bytecode for perl |
| 23:02.08 | BobtheAvenger | no like java |
| 23:02.13 | Leeds | well, parrot for perl6 |
| 23:02.19 | rhowe | Leeds: I think it might get compiled to native code |
| 23:02.27 | BobtheAvenger | anyway i'm out of here |
| 23:02.31 | BobtheAvenger | peace |
| 23:04.19 | Leeds | zzzzz |
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