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00:09.51mz2woot, gllug meeting tomorrow
00:09.57mz2am gonna come finally :)
00:11.17AngelChild\o/
00:12.06rhoweNo excuse this time
00:14.45AngelChild"I was dead at the time"
00:24.33LeedsI was approximately 3520km away on another continent, contemplating my future and drinking imported hoegarden
00:25.50AngelChildo.o
00:26.58Leedsthe number is from a cute roadsign at the marina, where I was tonight...
00:30.51Leedsamongst the things I did at the marina: discuss career issues with a bloke whose company got taken over by Yahoo!, leading to potential layoff or work elsewhere in Yahoo!, and exchanged random photos over bluetooth with strangers :-)
00:31.03LeedsJAV: they're uploading right now!
00:31.35JAVgood!
00:31.36JAV:D
00:31.53Leedsunfortunately, they're uploading at about 10KB/s and I've been taking them at full whack, so over 1500KB per photo
00:33.55JAVinterface? by hand? :D
00:34.01LeedsJAV: http://photos.geeksgetrevenge.com/new/ has the first few...
00:34.17Leedsborrowed, shared, adsl delivered over wifi
00:35.26Leedsthe first one is my host, a friend I met online a couple of years back and met for the first time face-to-face when I arrived here on Sunday to stay with him and his wife...
00:35.59Leedsthe others are a hotel I used to go to with my family many years ago, which I went to for a nostalgia thing - which happens to be just up the beach from the marina :-)
00:36.02Leedsedward: tbm?
00:36.36edwardMartin Michlmayr
00:36.49edwardi have no idea why his alias is tbm
00:36.51Leedsah, yes... we already knew that :-)
00:37.08edwardwell i didn't. i just looked at the web page
00:47.51mz2have any of you guys tried beagle yet?
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08:10.46morsing'morning
09:13.48mozrat-plmornign
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09:45.56mozrat-plShalom
09:46.34Leedsboker tov
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11:28.12highburyHope to se emany of you at the meeting!
11:47.31mz2is it at 2_
11:47.31mz2?
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11:53.34mozrat-plhello-bye Jango
11:53.46Jangohiya-bye also
11:54.12Jangostoopid nvidia drivers :P
11:55.13mozrat-plheh
12:14.04mz2hmm... hope i can make it to 2 o'clock
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12:47.06rhoweIt's Bruce
12:47.16rhoweitsbruce: And yeah, yeah, I'm going to actually come to Gllug today
12:48.03Leedsrhowe: so go already
12:56.41rhoweAn old uni friend appeared out of nowhere
12:56.47rhoweWell, not nowhere, MSN Messenger
12:57.08rhoweJust catching up on events (she's touring Australia atm) and then I'll have a shower, get breakfast and go
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14:20.47mozrat-plhello latz
14:20.50latzhoi
14:21.00mozrat-plhow goes it?
14:21.19latzI am fine!
14:21.32latzyourself?
14:21.37mozrat-plnot too bad :)
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14:26.31zacharyDoes anyone have a machine running SusOS/Solaris that I could get a shell account for a half an hour?
14:27.35zacharyLooks like everyone's at the meeting, ecept me. :(
14:29.45zachary:P back to ya!
14:30.11rhoweBut no, I don't have a SunOS box
14:38.28latzzachary, no prolly nodbody runs that os! .. wait I think I have an account on uni!
14:39.31latzzachary, this is SunOs 5.8
14:46.53zacharylatz, thanks but I don't need the account anymore, I've already submitted my uni project. Our server is down due to a scheduled power outage. But the verion is the same :)
14:47.36latzlol :)
14:47.45latzo.key! Well just wanted to help!
14:50.47latzanybody got HL2 with steam emulated with cedega running in linux
14:52.53Leedszachary: my home solaris box is turned off, since I didn't think I'd need it...
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15:29.16zacharygotta go, family time.
15:34.16zacharyHope the meeting goes well. Have a pint for me.
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16:38.32JAVafternoon!
16:38.46Leedsevening!
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16:40.04mozrat-plhello!
16:40.13mozrat-plhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/joi/6348273/
16:41.17Leedshttp://photos.geeksgetrevenge.com/new
16:42.24mozrat-plI see a Leeds!
16:42.46Leedsmozrat-pl: so tell me, am I missing something?  this isn't the first time I've been sent to flickr for something, and as usual, I can't see an obvious photo on that page... going to the "other sizes" page works, but there's no photo on the first page
16:42.59Leeds(warning, big photos on my link)
16:43.15mozrat-plLeeds, flash?
16:43.22Leedscan you tell I was impressed by the Hoegaarden label in Hebrew? :-)
16:43.26mozrat-plyes!
16:43.51Leedsmozrat-pl: as in macromedia?  I think I have it installed, but it doesn't seem to work amazingly well
16:44.56Leedswhere amazingly well means at all :-)
16:45.22mozrat-plLeeds, yeah I think you need Flash. You are on OS right? Works for me in Safari
16:45.38Leedsoh, I recommend http://photos.geeksgetrevenge.com/new/IMG_0102.html - really nice sunset
16:46.16LeedsI don't generally use safari... I use firefox, which should work... I rarely find I miss anything important by not having flash :-)
16:46.42mozrat-plLeeds, my attitude when I use Linux
16:55.12JAVyou are missing a lot of ads without flash :D
16:57.42JAValmost all the signs are in Hebrew, I'll be lost there
16:58.07JAVmmm.. phone numbers are ok :D
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18:03.55Leedsevening mz2
18:04.02mz2evening
18:04.17mz2are you in the meeting? :)
18:04.23Leedsnot quite
18:04.50LeedsI'm about 3500km away :-)
18:05.01mz2i was there an hour ago, but got a bit bored of an infinitely long and badly prepared linux & high availability talk
18:05.08mz2where is that? :)
18:05.13Leedswas that bruce?
18:05.24LeedsI'm a few miles north-east of Tel Aviv
18:05.49mz2can't remember his name... but he was apparently employed by the company in which the meeting was held
18:06.05Leedsyeah, 'twas bruce... I'll tell him what you said later :-)
18:06.39mz2good, because he needs that feedback :) i hate long, blabbery presentations with little information (you got the point from about 20% of what he said)
18:06.49Leedshe has, at least once in the past, given an infinitely long talk on kerberos or single-sign-on or something...
18:07.46Leedsyou could just leave a message for him :-) say "ibot botmail for itsbruce <whatever message>"
18:09.57mz2it was weird, as he seemed to be a rather experienced presenter :)
18:11.07Leedswell... he's a very experienced techie...
18:24.56mz2it's really annoying that techies normally have no appetite for brief, concise presentation (or communication skills at all:)
18:25.43mz2if in my field (biochem) things would be the same, it would have dire consequences (no drugs developed as nobody understands any of the other specialised researchers :)
18:53.05mz2Leeds, what're you doing in Tel Aviv?
18:53.15mz2or near Tel Aviv :)
19:03.57Leedsmz2: watching fast & furious 2 right now :-)
19:04.15mz2lol! that's a good reason to travel, i guess :)
19:04.50LeedsI'm here for a) a holiday b) catching up with various friends c) nostalgia trip d) fact-finding e) jobhunting
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19:19.19eye69Evening
19:19.33Leedseye69: evening
19:19.49eye69Hey Leeds. How's .il?
19:20.00Leedspretty good
19:20.22Leedswarm day today, not done anything...
19:20.49eye69Ok. We've had some heavy snow.
19:21.09Leedslovely
19:21.13SpudULikeLooks like the meeting was a success, lots turned up.
19:21.29eye69Had to brush about 8-9cm of snow from the car, just from today.
19:21.33LeedsSpudULike: great... had a negative revies of bruce's talk here though...
19:22.00SpudULikeI couldn't go, unfortunately, but John tells me he had fun. Maybe a bit crowded even.
19:22.53SpudULikeHmm. Anything specific against Bruce's talk?
19:24.06Leeds" got a bit bored of an infinitely long and badly prepared linux & high availability talk"
19:25.17SpudULikeBadly prepared I find hard to believe.
19:25.51SpudULikeIt would have sent me to sleep though, even if presented in the nude.
19:27.08Leedsmmm... nude Bruce...
19:42.52mz2perhaps i was a bit harsh with my critisism... :)
19:49.16SpudULikeTarragon <- Just back from GLLUG. Three talks. Ubuntu demo showed install. Fell asleep in QA talk three times :-( Bruces talk lasted over 90 minutes.
19:49.36Leedsargh...
19:50.22SpudULikeTarragon <- About 60 people there Most seemed to be new faces
19:51.41Leedswas the falling asleep the fault of the speaker or the listener? :-)
19:53.08SpudULikeTarragon <-Err Give the Debian guy the benefit of the doubt and say it was my fault. I am sure the QA process in Debian projects is really interesting......
20:01.10Leedshmm...
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20:03.49Leedsand now... my chance to learn violent vampire lingo in Hebrew, while converting php to python... Blade just came on :-)
20:04.16AngelChildhttp://www.chasingparkedcars.com/b3ta/binpun.jpg
20:05.07clyphoxhey latz
20:05.15latzre
20:05.32latzu still @ work?
20:06.00clyphoxyeah
20:06.42clyphoxsucketh
20:07.02clyphoxjust had syslogd die on three of our backend servers.. I'm getting suspicious!
20:07.17Leedsoopsie
20:07.39latzupps? ....??..??
20:08.29clyphoxthe fun part is that I'm just a stupid "grunt" as the company classes me so I gotta now spend ages on the phone trying to get some sod in america to notice its a problem and start some work investigating
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20:09.37cupevening
20:09.45Leedsevening cup
20:10.34cupis it possible to make usb devices automount?
20:11.31Leedssure
20:12.42cuphave any links to a howto?
20:12.44eye69cup: I'm using udev and autofs for my mp3 player. Works fine.
20:13.36cupcool I'll look into it
20:15.00latzI'm having a slight problem my udev sets for some reason everytime I boot up /dev/snstat to root:root: rwxrwx--- although I set up in my /etc/udev/.....conf file it should be to root:audio
20:15.07latzand umask 0660
20:16.51LeedsI tried udev, it did unfriendly things (turns out to be a little slackware bug, and I've seen a fix) so I untried it
20:18.06eye69I've been running devfs for years, but wanted the dynamic naming that udev gives me. For instance, having the mp3 player always on /dev/archos1
20:19.59Leedsoh, I like the idea in principle, but at the time my machine was unusable with the bug - I didn't hear about the fix until after I'd turned it off
20:21.13Leedslatz: there should really be a debug option "tell me exactly why you create a node and why you think it should have that ownership/perms"
20:21.25latzheehee :)
20:21.42latzyeah that's true! .. so you can actually see what's happening!
20:22.15latzcause I am possitive about the config, that all is set right there, but it's only /dev/sndstat which get's the wrong permissions!
20:22.21latzit's really anoying!
20:22.30eye69Well, there is the udev logging...
20:22.49eye69Have you turned that on?
20:24.01latzwas turned off
20:24.02latz:)
20:24.22eye69Ahhh.
20:27.08latzwuuuahhh my lexmark X1140 crappy printer works :)
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20:32.18latzwoahh just compiled the new amarok cvs version .. DON't if somebody is using it! .. runs damn slow!
20:33.44eye69I'm off for tonight. See y'all.
20:33.50Leedsnight
20:56.05clyphoxnn
20:56.43pawelhi.
20:58.23Leedsevening pawel
21:00.33pawelLeeds: evening. how are you doing?
21:01.02Leedsnot bad at all... I need to have a more productive week this week, tomorrow being the first day of the week here...
21:01.03Leedsyou?
21:02.32mozrat-plLeeds, are you in .il to live or visiting?
21:03.34Leedsmozrat-pl: yes :-)
21:03.46pawelLeeds: not bad. still waiting for my first ibook. :)
21:03.46mozrat-ploh good. Glad thats clear
21:03.51mozrat-pl:)
21:03.56mozrat-plto live or visit?
21:04.10Leedscurrently visiting... sort of planning to live... but I'll be back in the UK next Sunday :-)
21:04.16mozrat-plcool
21:05.39pawelI'm looking for a printer.
21:05.41Leedslatz: you enjoy printing that much?
21:05.52Leedsmozrat-pl: tell me... does that sound like a sensible thing to do?
21:06.14pawelone of these all-in-one devices, with the flat-bed scanner.
21:06.17mozrat-plwhich? coming back to the UK or living in Isreal
21:06.27Leedsthe latter
21:06.28latzLeeds, well kind of! Haven't been printing on that printer for about 2 month now! Cause I haven't been booting into windows, and I never got it to work before! .. well I enjoy it even it is a really bad printer
21:06.34mozrat-plHmmm
21:06.39mozrat-plIsrael
21:06.45Leedsand why do people have so much trouble spelling Israel? :-)
21:07.14latzLeeds because it Is Real :) heehee .. Nahh
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21:07.38mozrat-plLiving in Israel?? Yeah sure. I hear it's a nice place
21:07.48mozrat-plapart from the negative news you hear
21:07.49Leedslatz: I 'bought' an old hp deskjet about 5 years ago and never tried to actually use it until a couple of weeks ago - apart from the fact that it doesn't load paper (needs to be done manually) it's all working
21:07.55latzLeeds Bahai center is awesome!
21:08.10Leedslatz: I've been past it many times - never been to it
21:08.48Leedsmaybe I should go tomorrow - that's quite a good idea
21:08.50latzwas my favourite place when I was in Israel! couple of years ago! .. those people are also very very nice!
21:09.21latzLeeds, what's your purpose of your visit /me sounding like one of those border guys! :P
21:10.04Leedslatz: a) a holiday b) catching up with various friends c) nostalgia trip d) fact-finding e) jobhunting
21:12.03Leedssince you ask :-)
21:13.05latz[:-)
21:13.27latz"that's a little bit more information than I wanted" - Pulp Fiction but yeahh :)
21:13.52latzyou shall go over the border then! :P
21:14.05LeedsI was born with a visa, mate...
21:21.17highburylots of new faces at Fotango
21:22.18Leedsso I hear
21:44.00highburythe episode I recorded of "The Gadget Show" had a real good segment on OpenSource and Linux!
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22:06.31clyphoxIts party time :-)
22:07.50Leedsit's bedtime
22:08.11clyphoxfor some ;-)
22:08.22clyphoxhow you all have a pleasant night
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22:08.33Leedswell, it's past midnight on what's effectively Sunday night here...
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