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07:30.25mozrat-plmorning folks
07:42.54*** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@85-65-172-76.barak.net.il)
07:51.35mozrat-plwhat-ho Leeds
07:51.49Leedshey ho
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08:14.52mozrat-plmorsing morning
08:14.58mozrat-plI mean, morning morsing
08:17.37morsingmorning - Time for breakfast
08:24.03Georgeblah
08:25.08mozrat-plMorning Mr George
08:25.13Georgehi mozrat-pl
08:25.29mozrat-pljust read through my logs, that Blapto chap seemed ok
08:25.37Georgeyeah
08:25.43Georgeanyone else know what his name means?
08:25.46George:P
08:25.51mozrat-plnope
08:25.58Georgeheh
08:26.01Georgethe joys of studying classical greek
08:28.40mozrat-plindeed
08:28.42Leedsoowah... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/4344929.stm
08:29.42mozrat-plhmmm
08:29.59mozrat-plheavy handed. why couldn't the cabin staff take it off him and hold onto it?
08:31.17GeorgeLeeds: you're a diabetic?
08:31.38LeedsGeorge: um... yeah...
08:32.08Leedsthat's sort of what the whole 2-weeks-in-hospital-dangerous-illness thing was about last year
08:38.40Georgeok
08:39.58Georgeright, this is boring
08:54.11mozrat-plwhats that?
08:58.10murbmoin
08:58.39mozrat-plhey murb
09:00.04eye69Morning.
09:08.54morsingmurb?!
09:09.13murbwhat?
09:09.19murbI've just back from skiing
09:34.11morsingAnd you *here*!
09:40.32latzhelas all
09:41.00Leedshelas?
09:43.37latzhelas=hi :)
09:43.52latzit's just something I normally say!
09:43.52Leedswhere? :-)
09:54.08latzI've got a question concering regex! ... how would I find two matching search string in a line like this
09:54.09latzsys-libs/gpm-1.20.1-r4
09:54.10latzsys-libs/ncurses-5.4-r5
09:54.10latzsys-devel/bison-1.875d
09:54.23latzI want to get as a result let's say ncurses and bison
09:54.55latzI can't figure out how to do that with regex! .. I have no problem if it concerns only one line! but this concerns more lines!
09:58.13Leedssurely you're just searching for ncurses or bison then?
09:59.42wethrinHi
09:59.47wethrinHow did the meeting go on Saturday?
10:02.06latzLeeds, ehh nope I want to get as a result the entry of ncurses and bison!
10:02.44latzsys-libs/ncurses-5.4-r5
10:02.45latzlsys-devel/bison-1.875d
10:02.46Leedsso aren't you just looking for things which match either bison or ncurses?
10:02.57latzyes!
10:02.58latz:)
10:03.19Leedssurely you're just searching for ncurses or bison then?
10:03.38latzehh yeahh! sorry understood you wrong there! :)
10:13.20latzLeeds do you know how to do that?
10:13.38latzI need something like an "OR" ..
10:13.45latzthat would be it already!
10:20.57Leedsdoesn't something like (ncurses|bison) work?
10:21.37wethrinLeeds: Yes, if you're using egrep
10:22.02latzLeeds, nice! :) worked!
10:22.15latzwell I didn't know that Alternative Regex thing yet!
10:22.27latzbut now I know why it's there for! :P
10:22.29latzthx
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10:23.53Leedspleasure
10:24.11Leedswatch it, love!
10:24.24wethrinOooh!
10:28.32AngelChild:P
10:28.40Leeds:-)
10:29.09LeedsI think you'll find more is, um, more appropriate
10:29.17wethrinMORE LEEDS!
10:29.34Leedsalthough I would like there to be less Leeds
10:32.18wethrinSurely Leeds is a good thing
10:32.41Leedsyes, but less Leeds would be a better thing
10:33.20wethrinIs Leeds still in .il?
10:33.39Leedsyes
10:34.24wethrinEnjoying it?
10:34.54Leedsyes
10:34.58Leeds:-)
10:36.00wethrinGood good
10:46.19morsingType the password or key:
10:47.52wethrinletmein
10:48.10morsingHow's the weather up north?
10:50.41wethrinNice and sunny
11:25.11Georgefoodom.
11:37.38mozrat-plHello all
11:41.05morsinghello
12:00.02wethrinarr
12:08.58mozrat-plwethrin the pirate :)
12:09.02wethrinYarrr!
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12:12.09mozrat-plhello SlayerXP & AngelChild
12:12.13SlayerXPlo
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13:34.36mozrat-plHmm, OK. Here's a starter for 10
13:34.43mozrat-plMS Excel 2003
13:34.46mozrat-plCSV files
13:34.53mozrat-plcomma seperated values
13:35.04mozrat-plwhat character is the default seperator?
13:35.12stephentab
13:35.18mozrat-plsemi-colon
13:35.36stephenbah
13:35.46mozrat-plweird
13:35.55Georgeheh, someone just said to me "who the fuck cares about quantum computing?"
13:35.57George"er... banks?"
13:43.52wethrinPhysicists
13:44.12rhowegeeks
13:44.33wethrinMaybe real geeks
13:44.45wethrinLots of "geeks" think the limit is having a plastic side on their case
13:44.49rhoweCynical journalists
13:45.01wethrin:)
13:45.57SlayerXPpeople who want unbreakable encryption
13:46.20rhoweThe NSA, but they won't say so
13:47.41infodroidno, K-Directorate have it already
13:54.47JAVafternoon
15:01.03*** join/#gllug MacLeeds (~richardc@85-65-159-142.barak.net.il)
15:02.59wethrinMcLeeds!
15:17.47rhoweefont seems to be it, so far
15:23.52wethrinDon't use Unicode
15:34.55*** join/#gllug George (george@gwright.developer.kde)
15:46.38rhowewethrin: But Unicode is Cool™
15:50.34wethrinEwww
15:50.53wethrinI got "cool;a-hat;inverse-D;cent"
15:51.10eye69I like Unicode. Would be nice if more people used it.
15:52.11morsingwethrin: Which one?
15:58.58wethrinSome Digimate 19" LCD
16:00.48pawelhi.
16:01.19pawelwethrin: I've ordered an ibook. :)
16:01.24wethrinHurray!
16:01.29wethrinEveyone's getting new toys!
16:02.08pawelI'm not sure if it's right. but have to try it -- the mac.
16:06.09MacLeedswell... that was a day in which I did almost nothing...
16:06.21wethrinmmm
16:15.48edwardhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lincolnshire/4346751.stm <-- the shoes brigade strike!
16:16.25MacLeedsrandom acts of footwear?
16:17.07edwardsomething like that
16:19.48MacLeedsso the last mail on the gllug list was getting on for 2 days ago?
16:20.16wethrinYeah
16:20.27wethrinMaybe people need that much time to recover from the meeting?
16:21.15MacLeeds:-)
16:44.33morsingHi Leeds
16:44.47Leedsmorsing: hi
17:03.43wethrinDon't you mean mozrat? :)
17:07.52Jang-wethrin: does a new geforce dual head gfx card count as a new toy?
17:09.10wethrinProbably
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17:24.19wethrinIRCing from the library?
18:54.02*** join/#gllug Blapto (~root@dsl-62-3-77-90.zen.co.uk)
19:08.42Leedsevning Blapto
19:08.52BlaptoActually, I'm just off to eat
19:08.56BlaptoI'll be back in 30 mins or so.
19:09.35Leedsbe like that then :-)
19:24.03BlaptoBack now though.
19:39.40Leedshttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/14/debian_reduced/ is interesting - I can't find the primary source
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19:43.48Leedshttp://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.announce/605
19:45.44LeedsI'd like to hear Martin's comments on it :-)
19:46.09BlaptoThat happens to be my name...
19:46.19BlaptoI'd say it's prudent
19:46.22Blaptobut unfortunate
19:47.14Leedswas thinking of a different Martin, but that's okay...
19:47.36BlaptoNo real insight into it
19:47.37LeedsI find the choice of architectures slightly strange...
19:48.11BlaptoApart from itanium, they seem like the most popular ones
19:48.16Blaptoand itanium makes business sense
19:48.52LeedsI don't think it does - it's a dead platform
19:49.18BlaptoThe reasoning behind it is that there are thousands of these boxes out there which are going to need a moden OS
19:49.30BlaptoMicrosoft aren't going to give them one, so better get the monopoly
19:49.50Leedsfair point
19:51.55Leedsbut it is noticable that Debian, the great leveller of platforms, is coming down to x86, x86, x86 and ppc
19:52.07BlaptoNetBSD all the way matey
19:52.48Leedsfair point, again :-)
19:59.23murbread mjg59s DPL platform.
19:59.41Leedsdoesn't bother me directly, particularly, since I (as of a few weeks ago) no longer personally care about SPARC, and all my other machines are x86, x86-64 or ppc :-)  But I've been arguing that the sheer number of platforms has been holding Debian back for a while
19:59.45Leedsmurb: url?
20:06.55BlaptoIt seems that everyone in here runs a mac as well
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20:11.50murbLeeds: http://www.debian.org/vote/2005/vote_001
20:23.49mozrat-plHey guys
20:23.53mozrat-plwb Blapto
20:29.38Blaptomozrat, I'm afraid you're lumbered with me.
20:29.52mozratdammit
20:30.52BlaptoLooking at that kernel book some more
20:31.00BlaptoI'm wondering how simple I could get a linux kernel
20:31.26Blaptoand at what line it becomes my creatino and not just a hack
20:31.27mozratthey have a copy at kernel.org just download it
20:31.28mozrat:P
20:31.42BlaptoI just want to create my own OS, eventually
20:35.32BlaptoWhy?  Because I can't.
20:37.14mozrat:)
20:46.54BlaptoAngelChild, which uni are you at?
20:47.00AngelChildsouthampton
20:47.05BlaptoReading?
20:47.12AngelChildcomputer engineering :)
20:47.43BlaptoWhat do you know about Edinburgh and their computer science School of Informatics/
20:51.30BlaptoSouthampton doesn't look too bad from the website either
20:59.56AngelChildi don't know anything about ediburgh
21:00.10AngelChildsoton is the best for electronics and one of the top for compsci in the country :)
21:00.51AngelChildwell
21:00.56AngelChildin an engineering sense
21:01.03AngelChildcambridge is better for pure computer science :)
21:14.38LeedsBlapto: silly question, but have you looked at minix?
21:15.37Leedssince it's a) now bsd-licensed and b) written as an example of how OSs work for students...
21:20.56BlaptoSorry, went for a quick shower
21:21.00BlaptoI'm looked at it
21:21.22BlaptoIt's quite interesting
21:22.41LeedsI have used it in 'production' - on an old 386 someone gave me, and it works fine
21:22.55Blaptowhat on earth were you producing?
21:23.57BlaptoDoes it have to go on an Intel CPU?  It doesn't say x86, it specifies Intel.
21:24.07BlaptoMy only complete system handy is Athlon.
21:24.45Leedsproduction meaning I used it as a useful computer, rather than a toy or test machine
21:25.08LeedsI think it should work on athlon in theory
21:27.32Georgeyoyo Blapto
21:28.10BlaptoHey George
21:28.30Blapto"To run MINIX 2.0, you need a PC driven by an 8088, 286, 386, 486, or Pentium CPU"
21:28.56GeorgeBlapto: they're paying me
21:29.02BlaptoAh, excellent
21:29.06BlaptoWhat are you getting?
21:29.08George180 GBP
21:29.15BlaptoGood
21:29.18Georgeplus they've asked me to do 2 more articles totalling 10 pages
21:29.28Blaptowhat on
21:29.35Georgeeducational software, and xinerama
21:30.21BlaptoExcellent
21:30.37Georgeyeah, I'm pretty happy with the outcome
21:30.49GeorgeI emailed them at 11:10 last night, the guy replied at 11:50
21:30.49Georgelol
21:30.51Blapto£90/page for the other 10?
21:30.58Georgeshould be
21:31.07Georgethat's their standard rate
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22:22.18BlaptoTo bed!
22:22.45Leedsalready there
22:22.58Leedsbut then I am in GMT+2
22:23.35GeorgeBlapto: nite
22:23.44GeorgeLeeds: israel is only +2?
22:23.48GeorgeI thought it would be more than that
22:23.54LeedsGeorge: yes
22:25.34BlaptoLeeds, whereabouts in Israel?
22:25.46LeedsBlapto: right now, Ra'anana
22:26.42BlaptoAh, a lovelt coastline
22:26.47Blaptobut then again, so is most of Israel
22:27.03Leedsum, Ra'anana doesn't have a coastline :-)
22:27.24BlaptoWhy do I think it does...
22:27.49BlaptoIt's just north of Tel Aviv?
22:27.51LeedsI was on Nahariyah beach yesterday and Tel Aviv and Herzliya beaches last week
22:28.04Leedsit's inland behind Hertzliya
22:28.30BlaptoI don't know of Hertzliya
22:28.50BlaptoI was under the impression it was in between Netanya and Tel Aviv, with a coastline
22:29.08Leedsyes, that's just where Herzliya is ;-)
22:29.15BlaptoAh
22:29.49BlaptoLayla tov then, see you tomorrow
22:30.27Leedslilah tov :-)
22:30.45BlaptoBloody phonetics
22:31.35LeedsI think it's a matter of opinion
22:31.51Leedshave you spent time here?
22:31.56BlaptoNo, I plan on going
22:32.08BlaptoFamily holiday one year perhaps, but never have so far.
22:32.21BlaptoA friend wants me to go to Technion with him in the Summer
22:32.29Leedsah, I've been here a lot, including spending a year here 10 years ago
22:32.44Leedsand I'm considering a move out here
22:34.09BlaptoWhere would you
22:34.10Blaptogo
22:34.17BlaptoStupid return button...
22:34.39Leedsdunno - would depend on work, mainly
22:35.03Leedsprobably somewhere in greater tel aviv
22:35.35Leedsbut there's a lot of tech up around haifa too
22:35.59BlaptoUta medaber angleet?
22:36.38Leedsuta?
22:36.44BlaptoAta?
22:37.02Leedsum... I'm English :-)
22:37.07BlaptoAh, always helps
22:37.18BlaptoExpat?
22:37.25Leedsani medaber kstat ivrit
22:37.35Blaptokstat?
22:37.41Leedsa little, some
22:37.51BlaptoThanks
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22:37.54BlaptoI really should go to sleep
22:37.55Blaptonight.
22:38.16LeedsI'm English born and bred, worked for 7 years in Watford, considering moving out here for a while or for good
22:38.20Leedsg'night :-)
22:38.56Blaptonice talking to you, going by channel stats I'll speak to you again soon.
22:39.07Leedsoh, I'm always here :-)
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23:06.11AngelChildhttp://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/ <---- :|
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