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| 06:47.06 | morsing | 'morning |
| 06:53.20 | Leeds | hi |
| 06:54.02 | morsing | Up early! |
| 06:54.28 | morsing | Did you go to the beer thingy last night? |
| 06:56.24 | Leeds | given that I'm still in Israel, spend yesterday wine-tasting, and had dinner in Tiberius on the shore of the Sea of Galilee? No... |
| 06:56.44 | morsing | Sounds even better though :-D |
| 06:56.57 | morsing | It was 18 degrees here yesterday |
| 06:58.04 | Leeds | was a lovely sunny day here, but it's chilly up north anyway - and even chillier on the Golan Heights |
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| 07:57.02 | empre55_ | hi guys |
| 07:57.04 | Leeds | morning |
| 07:57.13 | empre55_ | morning |
| 07:57.31 | empre55_ | challenge |
| 07:57.35 | Leeds | response |
| 07:57.40 | Leeds | :-) |
| 07:57.47 | empre55_ | i have two virtual xp machines connected in vmware |
| 07:57.56 | empre55_ | to a linux host..redhat |
| 07:58.10 | empre55_ | i am sending packets over this virtual lan |
| 07:58.33 | empre55_ | and grabbing them off using packet filter |
| 07:58.50 | morsing | morning empre55_ |
| 07:58.57 | empre55_ | so i can sehd them into a simulation |
| 07:59.02 | empre55_ | morning morsing |
| 07:59.11 | empre55_ | anyway problem |
| 07:59.35 | empre55_ | i need to block the original packet flow |
| 07:59.49 | empre55_ | that is the direct flow through the lan |
| 08:00.00 | empre55_ | i just want the duplicates to pass through |
| 08:00.14 | empre55_ | that is the ones that have flown through the simulation |
| 08:00.22 | Leeds | are you routing stuff through the Linux host? |
| 08:00.48 | empre55_ | i tried to use ip_tables but i can't seem to get the rule correct |
| 08:00.55 | empre55_ | so any suggestions |
| 08:01.14 | Leeds | um... use ip_tables :-) |
| 08:01.21 | empre55_ | lol |
| 08:01.23 | Leeds | or just manual routing... |
| 08:01.40 | Leeds | you tell each windows 'machine' to route through the Linux machine... |
| 08:01.52 | empre55_ | o.k... |
| 08:02.01 | empre55_ | with what tool? |
| 08:02.06 | empre55_ | i am a newbie o.k. |
| 08:02.27 | ufo | under network settings, gateway |
| 08:02.32 | Leeds | then just tell the Linux machine to route to the two windows machines without actually forwarding packets between them |
| 08:02.32 | ufo | Moin guys. |
| 08:02.58 | empre55_ | o.k. |
| 08:03.02 | Leeds | morning ufo |
| 08:03.10 | Leeds | empre55_: I have no idea how to do this stuff on the Windows side |
| 08:03.25 | ufo | Leeds: Which? |
| 08:03.34 | Leeds | ufo: what? |
| 08:03.39 | empre55_ | i was thinking that since the linux machine is hosting |
| 08:03.52 | empre55_ | the two virtual machine |
| 08:03.55 | ufo | Leeds: What do you want to do on windows box? |
| 08:04.12 | empre55_ | that the packets were being routed through it anyway |
| 08:04.26 | empre55_ | because in vmware you get hostonly setting |
| 08:04.49 | empre55_ | the video codec is only compatible with windows |
| 08:04.54 | empre55_ | it is H.264 |
| 08:05.00 | empre55_ | anybody heard of it |
| 08:05.14 | empre55_ | it is the only reference software i could find |
| 08:05.31 | Leeds | ufo: empre55_ is doing some strange routing stuff |
| 08:05.48 | Leeds | empre55_: there's certainly h264 stuff for Linux |
| 08:05.56 | empre55_ | it is not strange |
| 08:05.58 | ufo | i see, but i don't get it all |
| 08:05.59 | empre55_ | listen |
| 08:06.14 | empre55_ | i have 2 xp machines |
| 08:06.27 | empre55_ | virtual built in vmware |
| 08:06.31 | ufo | and? |
| 08:06.37 | empre55_ | and i am sending video from one to another |
| 08:07.03 | ufo | what do you mean? just data or video strem? |
| 08:07.26 | empre55_ | but i am testing how the video would work in a wireless (adhoc) |
| 08:07.31 | empre55_ | environment |
| 08:07.35 | empre55_ | stream |
| 08:08.07 | empre55_ | so i am sending it through a wireless testbed |
| 08:08.19 | empre55_ | this is on the linux host |
| 08:08.25 | empre55_ | everybody with me |
| 08:08.34 | ufo | between xp-s? |
| 08:08.40 | empre55_ | so basically the two xp machines are src and dst |
| 08:08.42 | empre55_ | yes |
| 08:08.51 | ufo | with one wifi NIC? |
| 08:09.00 | ufo | or you have also two virtual ones |
| 08:09.05 | empre55_ | yes |
| 08:09.34 | empre55_ | but when i capture the packet it is copied |
| 08:09.45 | empre55_ | because i am using bpcap |
| 08:09.55 | empre55_ | berkely packet capture |
| 08:10.24 | empre55_ | so i need to block the original packet that are arriving at the dst |
| 08:10.32 | empre55_ | before the duplicated ones |
| 08:10.46 | empre55_ | as the duplicated ones are the ones that have gone through |
| 08:10.50 | empre55_ | the simulation |
| 08:10.59 | empre55_ | does it make sense now? |
| 08:11.44 | empre55_ | so i thought i could use iptables to do it |
| 08:11.59 | empre55_ | since everything is actually on the linux host |
| 08:12.16 | ufo | hmm |
| 08:12.19 | Leeds | I don't know how vmware affects the situation |
| 08:12.28 | empre55_ | this means that all the routing is actually being |
| 08:12.46 | empre55_ | done by the underlying linux system |
| 08:12.54 | empre55_ | even for the virtual machines |
| 08:12.57 | empre55_ | i think |
| 08:13.22 | ufo | how many ifaces do oyu have on linux? |
| 08:13.23 | Leeds | but it's easy enough to tell the Linux box to route to both the Linux boxes, but not route between them |
| 08:13.47 | empre55_ | that is what i would like to do |
| 08:14.07 | empre55_ | i think even though the src and dst are xp |
| 08:14.39 | empre55_ | it won't matter because they are virtual and dependent |
| 08:14.45 | ufo | iptables should help |
| 08:15.02 | empre55_ | on the host for the provision of the actual network connection that |
| 08:15.04 | empre55_ | they have |
| 08:15.24 | empre55_ | any suggestions as to what the iptables syntax maybe? |
| 08:15.36 | empre55_ | that is where i am stuck |
| 08:15.52 | empre55_ | so i have to go the whole hog and deny everything |
| 08:16.06 | ufo | what ifconfig is saying |
| 08:16.09 | empre55_ | and then start allowing bit by bit to see |
| 08:16.32 | empre55_ | well |
| 08:16.37 | empre55_ | it has lo |
| 08:16.40 | empre55_ | eth0 |
| 08:16.46 | empre55_ | and vmnet1 |
| 08:17.01 | empre55_ | vmnet1 is the virtual network |
| 08:17.05 | ufo | is that all? |
| 08:17.10 | empre55_ | do you need all the details |
| 08:17.13 | ufo | no |
| 08:17.34 | ufo | just loopback eth0 and vmnet1? |
| 08:18.01 | empre55_ | o.k. lo Link encap: Local Loopback |
| 08:18.19 | ufo | no, im asking if anything more, i mean more ifaces |
| 08:18.39 | empre55_ | there is vmnet2 and vmnet8 |
| 08:18.46 | empre55_ | but those are vmware |
| 08:18.48 | ufo | that's it! |
| 08:18.52 | empre55_ | yep |
| 08:18.55 | empre55_ | that is it |
| 08:19.09 | empre55_ | nothing else |
| 08:19.32 | ufo | so, do you know which vmnet ifaces are xp machines? |
| 08:19.44 | ufo | 1 and 2 or maybe also 8 |
| 08:19.46 | empre55_ | they are on vmnet1 |
| 08:19.49 | empre55_ | hostonly |
| 08:19.54 | ufo | both? |
| 08:19.59 | empre55_ | host-only networking interface |
| 08:20.01 | empre55_ | yes |
| 08:20.12 | empre55_ | all three machines are using vmnet1 |
| 08:20.25 | empre55_ | that is linux can talk to both xp machines |
| 08:20.30 | ufo | so only think I'm thinking about is MAC address match |
| 08:20.31 | empre55_ | on vmnet1 |
| 08:20.56 | empre55_ | nope |
| 08:20.58 | ufo | but i don't know if xps are talking also thru this vmnet1 iface |
| 08:21.06 | empre55_ | thay all have diff mac |
| 08:21.26 | empre55_ | sorry |
| 08:21.36 | ufo | ? |
| 08:22.02 | empre55_ | i think the vmnet1 is acting like a virtual switch |
| 08:22.06 | empre55_ | is that possible? |
| 08:22.22 | ufo | yes |
| 08:22.33 | ufo | im just considering this situation |
| 08:22.46 | ufo | that's why i thinking about MAC match inside iptables |
| 08:22.57 | ufo | coz you can't set iface match |
| 08:23.08 | empre55_ | o.k... |
| 08:23.44 | ufo | so, what for are those vmnet2 and 8? |
| 08:24.07 | empre55_ | vmnet2 is if i want to make another |
| 08:24.08 | ufo | show us route |
| 08:24.12 | empre55_ | host only network |
| 08:24.23 | empre55_ | use route -n |
| 08:24.33 | ufo | yes |
| 08:26.03 | empre55_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.03 | empre55_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.41 | empre55_ | do you want all of then |
| 08:27.13 | empre55_ | 172.16.6.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 vmnet8 |
| 08:27.13 | empre55_ | 172.16.117.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 vmnet1 |
| 08:27.13 | empre55_ | 192.168.199.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 vmnet2 |
| 08:27.13 | empre55_ | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 08:27.13 | empre55_ | 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 08:27.13 | empre55_ | 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo |
| 08:27.15 | empre55_ | 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 08:28.44 | empre55_ | this is what the XP machines say |
| 08:29.45 | empre55_ | 172.16.6.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 vmnet8 |
| 08:29.45 | empre55_ | 172.16.117.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 vmnet1 |
| 08:29.45 | empre55_ | 192.168.199.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 vmnet2 |
| 08:29.45 | empre55_ | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 08:29.45 | empre55_ | 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 08:29.46 | empre55_ | 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo |
| 08:29.48 | empre55_ | 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 08:29.50 | empre55_ | sorry |
| 08:34.59 | empre55_ | Pysical address 00:0C:29:63:B2:66 |
| 08:35.08 | empre55_ | DhCp enabled Yes |
| 08:35.23 | empre55_ | AutoConfiguration Enabled Yes |
| 08:35.52 | empre55_ | IP Mask address 172.16.117.129 |
| 08:36.42 | empre55_ | Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 |
| 08:36.45 | empre55_ | Gateway |
| 08:37.19 | empre55_ | DHCP servers 172.16.117.254 |
| 08:37.41 | empre55_ | DNS Servers 172.16.117.1 |
| 08:38.00 | empre55_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.19 | empre55_ | that it has the Ip address 172.16.117.128 |
| 08:38.28 | empre55_ | and a diff mac address which is |
| 08:39.40 | empre55_ | 00:2c:29:26:98:34 |
| 08:41.33 | empre55_ | any help? |
| 08:44.33 | mozrat | good morning |
| 08:44.52 | empre55_ | morning mozrat |
| 08:45.43 | mozrat | hi |
| 08:46.05 | empre55_ | i think i have scared everyone offf |
| 08:46.24 | mozrat | yeah I scrolled up the first 100 lines and then gave up :) |
| 08:46.29 | empre55_ | lol |
| 08:46.30 | mozrat | did you get it working? |
| 08:47.09 | empre55_ | nope.. still waiting for the results from pooled gllug grain power |
| 08:47.36 | empre55_ | i just want to block the original packets flowing over a lan |
| 08:48.30 | empre55_ | because i am copying them as they pass so i can send them through a simulation |
| 08:49.04 | empre55_ | so i want the duplicates to reach the destination but not the original packets |
| 08:49.13 | empre55_ | the problem is |
| 08:49.36 | empre55_ | i am using 2 XP virtual machines in vmware |
| 08:49.43 | mozrat | so you want packets to flow between VM's but not onto the actual LAN? |
| 08:49.53 | empre55_ | yes |
| 08:50.12 | mozrat | can the VM's get to the LAN if they are not talking to each other? |
| 08:50.14 | empre55_ | only through the simulation |
| 08:50.22 | empre55_ | no |
| 08:50.26 | mozrat | or are the VM's completely cut off |
| 08:50.50 | empre55_ | well the connection is always there |
| 08:51.01 | empre55_ | but unless i send a ping or the packets |
| 08:51.08 | empre55_ | nothing will flow on the lan |
| 08:52.01 | empre55_ | i was just thinking |
| 08:52.32 | empre55_ | nah |
| 08:52.33 | mozrat | I guess someone said this earlier but using mac address matching in iptables should work |
| 08:53.12 | empre55_ | that is just it i have tried to make the rule but it gives me all kind of trouble |
| 08:53.24 | empre55_ | hold on let me see if i can find my attempt |
| 08:54.13 | empre55_ | iptables -I tcpin -s 172.16.117.129 [2000] -j DENY |
| 08:54.21 | empre55_ | i tried something like that |
| 08:54.33 | empre55_ | i know that the port bit in brackets is wrong |
| 08:54.58 | empre55_ | but i have tried loads of stuff but i can't get the rule right |
| 08:55.13 | empre55_ | so i guess i will have to keep at it |
| 08:55.26 | mozrat | but you are trying the IP there., did you try the mac address? |
| 08:55.58 | empre55_ | can't remeber |
| 08:56.09 | empre55_ | i will give that a go though and see |
| 08:57.32 | empre55_ | ufo are you still there? |
| 09:00.24 | mozrat | I have him on IM |
| 09:00.27 | mozrat | one sec |
| 09:01.05 | empre55_ | just wondering if he has given up as well |
| 09:01.20 | empre55_ | mail |
| 09:01.22 | mozrat | he got disconnected |
| 09:01.28 | empre55_ | o.k. |
| 09:01.56 | empre55_ | that is fine |
| 09:02.13 | empre55_ | did you see the route-n stuff |
| 09:02.21 | ufo | give me 2 to read your messages |
| 09:02.52 | mozrat | ufo, 2 what??? I took about 2 hours |
| 09:03.47 | empre55_ | any of you guys students? |
| 09:04.33 | mozrat | nope |
| 09:04.54 | Leeds | nope |
| 09:05.15 | empre55_ | i envy you all |
| 09:05.57 | Leeds | you envy me being unemployed? |
| 09:06.31 | empre55_ | trust me i would prefer to be unemployed |
| 09:06.59 | Leeds | to be fair, I'm currently a) unemployed b) fully-paid and c) in Israel - so you should env |
| 09:07.02 | Leeds | envy me :-) |
| 09:07.06 | mozrat | Leeds: lol |
| 09:07.27 | eye69 | Hey people. |
| 09:07.36 | empre55_ | that is not even funny |
| 09:07.50 | empre55_ | i am suffering from severe sleep depravation |
| 09:07.55 | empre55_ | immense stress |
| 09:08.15 | empre55_ | i have 1 weeks to present my finished thesis |
| 09:08.24 | empre55_ | which is what all of this is about |
| 09:08.28 | ufo | empre55_: so, you haven't tryed MAC address match yet? |
| 09:08.35 | empre55_ | and then 3 weeks to write it up |
| 09:08.37 | empre55_ | no |
| 09:08.44 | mozrat | empre55_: so just the time to be playing with iptables then :) |
| 09:08.50 | empre55_ | yes |
| 09:09.02 | empre55_ | and i can't even stop traffic |
| 09:09.04 | ufo | empre55_: make sure that you have iptables module compilled into kernel |
| 09:09.09 | ufo | those MAC math |
| 09:09.10 | ufo | match |
| 09:09.32 | empre55_ | ***embarrassing moment*** |
| 09:09.33 | Leeds | empre55_: please tell me that this packet-mangling isn't related to your thesis? |
| 09:09.51 | empre55_ | well yes |
| 09:10.04 | empre55_ | i have to send video over adhoc nodes |
| 09:10.22 | empre55_ | but because the video is compressed using h.264 |
| 09:10.38 | empre55_ | the only reference software i found works only on windows |
| 09:10.45 | Leeds | and you're just now playing with iptables? |
| 09:10.48 | empre55_ | hence the windows src and dest machines |
| 09:11.06 | empre55_ | but alas the simulator that has the adhoc nodes runs only inlinux |
| 09:11.26 | empre55_ | so i have connected all three up in a lan |
| 09:11.46 | empre55_ | and i copy the packets so i can send then to the simulation |
| 09:12.10 | empre55_ | but i don't want direct communication between the XP machines on the lan |
| 09:12.18 | empre55_ | hence the IP tables |
| 09:12.28 | Leeds | you *don't* need iptables! |
| 09:12.38 | empre55_ | and to think i need to test the actual video after this |
| 09:12.48 | empre55_ | you are kidding me |
| 09:12.56 | Leeds | I told you a long time ago what to do |
| 09:13.12 | empre55_ | i have spent no less that 48 hours looking at IP tables |
| 09:13.15 | ufo | change routing table? |
| 09:13.18 | empre55_ | did you? |
| 09:13.44 | empre55_ | you said to put the gateway to be the linux machine |
| 09:13.48 | empre55_ | i did that |
| 09:13.52 | Leeds | no I didn't |
| 09:13.56 | empre55_ | oh |
| 09:13.58 | empre55_ | sorry |
| 09:14.00 | Leeds | I didn't say anything about the windows machines - I don't do windows |
| 09:14.06 | empre55_ | ok |
| 09:14.11 | empre55_ | my apologies |
| 09:14.14 | Leeds | I said to make the Linux box route to the two windows boxes but not route between them |
| 09:14.23 | empre55_ | oh.. |
| 09:14.35 | empre55_ | ***embarassing moment**** |
| 09:14.40 | ufo | so, you have to check routing table ... |
| 09:14.42 | empre55_ | how exactly do i do that |
| 09:14.46 | empre55_ | yes |
| 09:14.49 | empre55_ | here it is |
| 09:14.52 | SlayerXP | morning chaps |
| 09:14.54 | ufo | and setup jrouting in right way |
| 09:15.01 | ufo | morning Sly |
| 09:16.51 | empre55_ | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 09:16.51 | empre55_ | 172.16.6.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 vmnet8 |
| 09:16.51 | empre55_ | 172.16.117.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 vmnet1 |
| 09:16.51 | empre55_ | 192.168.199.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 vmnet2 |
| 09:16.51 | empre55_ | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 09:16.52 | empre55_ | 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 09:16.54 | empre55_ | 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo |
| 09:16.58 | empre55_ | 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 09:17.35 | empre55_ | i am looking how to set up the routing table |
| 09:18.57 | empre55_ | basically i need to add a new route and delete the existing one |
| 09:19.11 | empre55_ | for the interface on which the two XP machines sit |
| 09:19.12 | mozrat | which machine is which? |
| 09:19.18 | empre55_ | correct? |
| 09:19.54 | empre55_ | vmnet1 is the virtual switch that the XP machines (virtual) and the host communicate through |
| 09:20.24 | empre55_ | the vmnet8 and vmnet2 are also virtual switches that are not being used |
| 09:20.32 | empre55_ | lo is loopback |
| 09:20.54 | empre55_ | eth0 192.168.0.1 i am speaking to you on |
| 09:21.11 | empre55_ | the other two eth0 are beyond me |
| 09:21.31 | empre55_ | i don't know what they are |
| 09:23.02 | mozrat | well based on that when one VM talks to another it shouldn't route out of eth0 anyway |
| 09:23.17 | mozrat | are you sure packets from the VM are hitting the wired LAN? |
| 09:24.24 | empre55_ | i think i have confused you |
| 09:24.35 | empre55_ | they are not using eth0 at all |
| 09:24.49 | empre55_ | because they are host-only configuration |
| 09:25.27 | empre55_ | they form a network that is confined to the host (and includes the host) |
| 09:25.56 | empre55_ | so they have a virtual network using vmnet1 |
| 09:26.20 | empre55_ | it is on this network thati want to manipulate the packet flow |
| 09:26.25 | empre55_ | makes sense? |
| 09:27.28 | empre55_ | guess not |
| 09:28.27 | empre55_ | i will try thw route reconfiguration and let you all know how it goes |
| 09:29.00 | mozrat | sorry dude. Not enough coffee to think straight at the moment |
| 09:29.13 | mozrat | plus 10 TEN new support requests since yesterday |
| 09:29.21 | mozrat | where the hell did they come from? |
| 09:29.27 | empre55_ | lol |
| 09:31.51 | empre55_ | listen guys i have to run... going to break the bad news |
| 09:31.58 | empre55_ | to my project supervisor |
| 09:32.12 | empre55_ | "it doesn't work" |
| 09:32.18 | Leeds | yes it does |
| 09:32.36 | empre55_ | i am going to try it after i see him |
| 09:32.45 | ufo | so, a propos my thesis ;] |
| 09:33.01 | ufo | i have to correct old fortran 77 code |
| 09:33.14 | empre55_ | just to be sure... make the linux machine the gateway |
| 09:33.21 | ufo | is there anybody who knows fortran? ;] |
| 09:33.41 | empre55_ | you are kidding |
| 09:33.48 | ufo | no |
| 09:33.55 | empre55_ | why? |
| 09:34.04 | empre55_ | no can do from me? |
| 09:37.21 | empre55_ | guys thanks a million |
| 09:37.26 | empre55_ | speak laters |
| 09:37.31 | Leeds | empre55_: I told you repeatedly what to do |
| 09:37.38 | Leeds | no, I didn't tell you exactly how to do it |
| 09:38.05 | empre55_ | that is the problem |
| 09:38.07 | empre55_ | lol |
| 09:38.23 | Leeds | do you know how to create and destroy a route? |
| 09:38.38 | empre55_ | i am reading it in the man pages |
| 09:38.42 | empre55_ | as we speak |
| 09:38.45 | Leeds | good |
| 09:39.20 | empre55_ | it has examples as well |
| 09:39.52 | Leeds | of course it does - that's what man pages are for |
| 09:40.00 | empre55_ | lol |
| 09:40.12 | empre55_ | listen i am a girl.. lots of this suprise me |
| 09:40.15 | ufo | route add -host bla bla bla |
| 09:40.45 | ufo | all of this is inckuded in man |
| 09:40.59 | empre55_ | yes and route del blah blah bla |
| 09:41.02 | mozrat | empre55_: You're a girl? |
| 09:41.06 | empre55_ | hyes |
| 09:41.08 | empre55_ | yes |
| 09:41.17 | ufo | that's suprise us! :D |
| 09:41.19 | mozrat | explains the verboseness of your questions then :) |
| 09:41.24 | empre55_ | lol |
| 09:41.34 | empre55_ | sorry |
| 09:41.34 | mozrat | :) |
| 09:41.37 | SlayerXP | a girl? here? |
| 09:41.38 | mozrat | teasing, don't worry |
| 09:41.45 | SlayerXP | surely that's illegal. |
| 09:41.50 | mozrat | yeah, it's unusal |
| 09:41.57 | mozrat | unusual |
| 09:41.57 | empre55_ | no i am just saying that is why i get so confused |
| 09:42.02 | SlayerXP | saying that, we let george in |
| 09:42.06 | mozrat | true |
| 09:42.10 | empre55_ | i wouldn't think so |
| 09:42.14 | mozrat | he is a ladyboy, I guess that counts |
| 09:42.23 | empre55_ | is george worse that me |
| 09:42.25 | empre55_ | oh i see |
| 09:43.27 | empre55_ | anyway guys (again) ...later |
| 09:43.33 | empre55_ | thanks again |
| 09:43.33 | mozrat | see you |
| 09:43.37 | empre55_ | and see you all later |
| 09:43.52 | Leeds | seeya |
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| 09:44.27 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 09:44.37 | mozrat | Wow... a real life.. y'know... girl.. here of all places |
| 09:45.08 | Leeds | mozrat: there are others, you know... |
| 09:45.10 | mozrat | If I'd known I would have brushed my hair this morning |
| 09:45.38 | Leeds | I might have showered, got dressed, etc. |
| 09:45.59 | mozrat | I would have turned off the animal pr0n and actually paid attention |
| 09:46.10 | mozrat | ok. too much information |
| 09:46.19 | SlayerXP | so, is she cute? |
| 09:46.57 | mozrat | SlayerXP: no idea |
| 09:47.36 | mozrat | http://www.bash.org/?2718 |
| 09:50.03 | Leeds | and... now you've chased off AngelChild as well... |
| 09:50.15 | mozrat | Leeds, yeah just thought that :) |
| 09:50.20 | Leeds | :-) |
| 09:50.45 | Leeds | in fact, there are now no females here at all that I'm aware of |
| 09:51.36 | mozrat | ibot are you female? |
| 09:52.34 | Leeds | I've always seen ibot as a male - but something like a dog, rather than a person - you know, you can tell him to fetch, and he does it, but appreciates a little attention afterwards |
| 09:52.51 | rhowe | ibot: gender |
| 09:52.52 | ibot | I'm sexless |
| 09:52.52 | Leeds | ibot fetch |
| 09:52.54 | ibot | methinks fetch is Hey, just say what you really mean! |
| 09:53.03 | Leeds | lol |
| 09:53.15 | Leeds | ibot sex |
| 09:53.16 | ibot | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 09:53.31 | Leeds | argh, debian sex |
| 09:53.32 | rhowe | From Undernet: |
| 09:53.34 | rhowe | 09:53 [ctcp(x)] GENDER |
| 09:53.35 | rhowe | 09:53 CTCP GENDER reply from X: Tried to be a man again - there was a slip - now I'm an IT |
| 09:53.53 | mozrat | Leeds, kinky! |
| 09:54.07 | Leeds | "apt-get install condom" |
| 09:54.08 | rhowe | is apt-get remove --purge a valid command? |
| 09:56.40 | murb | yep |
| 09:56.54 | murb | it means it removes the config as well. |
| 09:56.56 | murb | same as dpkg --purge |
| 09:57.04 | rhowe | It is? heh, cool. I always used dpkg --purge instead |
| 09:58.53 | rhowe | Well whaddya know, it works |
| 10:02.58 | murb | rhowe: Where you planning to find an ADSL interface for your soekris? |
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| 10:04.32 | mozrat | re AngelChild |
| 10:08.25 | AngelChild | re |
| 10:08.36 | AngelChild | wow last night was mad |
| 10:10.09 | Leeds | really? |
| 10:11.10 | rhowe | murb: I've got one of the Bewan boards, but I suspect it might place too much strain on the host CPU |
| 10:11.12 | AngelChild | aye, I decided I didn't want to deal with what was going through my mind and woke up on some strange man's bed. then I remembered that he's my friend, and he wasn't on it with me, so I suppose it can't've been too bad |
| 10:11.35 | Leeds | um... okay... |
| 10:11.40 | mozrat | *blink* |
| 10:11.45 | AngelChild | xD |
| 10:11.55 | Leeds | mozrat: get with the scaring again, please! |
| 10:12.08 | mozrat | *cracks.knuckles* |
| 10:12.11 | mozrat | Leeds, no problem |
| 10:12.51 | mozrat | AngelChild: where was $FRIEND when you woke up? |
| 10:13.01 | pdr | moin |
| 10:13.56 | AngelChild | $FRIEND was on three chairs sleeping with his cover (making me very cold, but I had all my clothes on). unfortunately I'd left a packet of rolos in my pocket and it's now full of chocolate |
| 10:14.20 | mozrat | ewh |
| 10:15.54 | rhowe | I saw a guy flat out on his back covered in whatever he'd been drinking, lying by the post office near London Bridge |
| 10:16.00 | rhowe | This was 6pm |
| 10:16.12 | Leeds | ugh |
| 10:16.23 | Leeds | well, I went wine-tasting and didn't get drunk |
| 10:16.25 | pdr | rhowe: before or after he'd been drinking it? |
| 10:16.30 | rhowe | pdr: Not sure. |
| 10:16.38 | rhowe | I wasn't even sure he was alive, but didn't fancy checking |
| 10:16.56 | rhowe | Leeds: You'll probably find bakewell tarts or something :) |
| 10:16.59 | pdr | rhowe: how long did you stay at Belushi's? |
| 10:17.10 | rhowe | pdr: Hrm, until we finished our drinks |
| 10:17.13 | Leeds | rhowe: the cake-hunting was a bit of a joke |
| 10:17.22 | pdr | Mmmm.. Bakewell tarts.. |
| 10:17.47 | rhowe | pdr: Then I walked to Elephant & Castle and caught the night bus, which seems to visit every fecking cornoer of south london before going where I want to go |
| 10:17.53 | rhowe | pdr: I got home at 3:30am |
| 10:19.23 | pdr | Emma sounded pretty rough this morning too, so not sure what she was up to |
| 10:20.39 | pdr | Rob seems ok - he's on early shift this week, so would have been in since 8am |
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| 10:22.19 | pdr | hmm.. just got spammed by BT |
| 10:25.12 | Leeds | morning mikejw |
| 10:26.43 | mikejw | hi =D |
| 10:29.54 | pdr | morning leeds |
| 10:48.48 | morsing | Mmm... Jaffa cakes |
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| 11:23.59 | mozrat | SleepyAngel: Self inflicted, I'm afraid |
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| 11:45.52 | mozrat | Has anyone ever heard the peterb.wav recording of some guy going ballastic at a BT cold-caller? |
| 11:46.05 | mozrat | all the links on Google are dead |
| 11:54.28 | pdr | i think i'm just gonna stop posting to the list... at least after a night on the turps |
| 11:55.29 | mozrat | ) |
| 11:55.30 | mozrat | :) |
| 12:03.01 | rhowe | mozrat: Yeah, it's on my web server I think |
| 12:03.14 | mozrat | rhowe :) |
| 12:03.19 | rhowe | http://www.siksai.co.uk/music/wav/ |
| 12:04.25 | mozrat | Cheers |
| 12:06.19 | mozrat | One of our call centers had a very similar call this morning |
| 12:06.21 | mozrat | :) |
| 12:08.36 | rhowe | Recorded for posterity? |
| 12:08.43 | rhowe | And was the caller you, by any chance? :) |
| 12:09.04 | mozrat | nope |
| 12:09.17 | mozrat | yes, recorded. but I think there is some legalise about it |
| 12:09.34 | mozrat | it's a guy that keeps calling |
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| 13:21.43 | morsing | I'm on holiday next week |
| 13:26.39 | pdr | yay! |
| 13:29.09 | morsing | I really need it |
| 13:40.37 | morsing | Funny: I just got an email about a job at IBM that one of my colleagues left six month ago to join my company :-) |
| 13:41.06 | morsing | Took them six month to start looking for a replacement. I think I'll pass |
| 13:54.47 | George | yoyo mozrat |
| 13:55.05 | morsing | Hi George |
| 13:55.16 | George | hey morsing |
| 13:55.31 | George | where's the cheapest place to buy IBM laptops? |
| 13:56.37 | SlayerCE | the internet |
| 13:56.51 | George | that's a *lot* of help. Thank you. |
| 13:57.32 | morsing | George: IBM |
| 13:57.40 | George | morsing: IBM don't sell directly |
| 13:57.44 | morsing | 08700101952 |
| 13:57.56 | morsing | George: Of course they do. Ask your account manager |
| 13:58.03 | George | account manager? |
| 13:58.39 | mozrat | yoyo George |
| 13:59.05 | George | hey mozrat |
| 13:59.30 | mozrat | hows it? |
| 13:59.31 | JAV | hi all |
| 13:59.36 | George | mozrat: fine. |
| 13:59.48 | George | mozrat: wondering why the cheapest place I can find that's selling thinkpads is PC World |
| 14:00.19 | mozrat | hmm |
| 14:00.41 | mozrat | you gonna buy one? |
| 14:00.50 | George | yeah |
| 14:00.52 | George | at some point |
| 14:00.56 | George | my powerbook's shit |
| 14:01.00 | George | wrt batteries |
| 14:02.57 | rhowe | George: Most all suppliers will discount the price they quote quite significantly. 10% is not uncommon |
| 14:03.25 | rhowe | With PC World, the challenge is to persuade the salesdroid that they are actually able to do it |
| 14:03.33 | rhowe | Or even to teach them how :) |
| 14:14.48 | George | rhowe: what do you mean? |
| 14:22.14 | mozrat | George, did Linux Format agree to pay you for that article they published? |
| 14:23.06 | Jang- | i just went to PC World, they know nothing about what they sell |
| 14:23.55 | George | mozrat: yeah |
| 14:24.02 | George | mozrat: and they've asked me to do 2 more totalling 10 pages |
| 14:24.09 | George | mozrat: and Linux Mag have asked me to do another article |
| 14:24.21 | mozrat | Did they say why they printed it without permission? |
| 14:24.46 | George | mozrat: they claimed that in my saying "I'd very much like to do this article" I gave them permission to publissh |
| 14:24.56 | mozrat | hmmm |
| 14:25.15 | mozrat | next time send it saying "Please read this, I don't want it published, thanks, bye" |
| 14:25.23 | mozrat | silly people |
| 14:25.33 | George | I did want it published |
| 14:25.36 | George | I just wanted money :) |
| 14:25.39 | George | and a bit more communication |
| 14:25.49 | George | just thought it was a bit naughty of them to publish without explicit permission |
| 14:26.21 | pdr | i've heard they aren't that good in that regard |
| 14:37.57 | murb | I just got a letter demanding money from Linux New Media AG, for a subscription that was a freebie from fosdem which they then auto renewed, apparently they didn't have my creditcard number to bill me or somthing... |
| 14:41.28 | Leeds | and also with one less wingmirror than I went out with :-( |
| 14:43.05 | murb | Leeds: whos fault? |
| 14:43.53 | Leeds | murb: mine, largely... just misjudged exactly where the passenger side of the car finished while trying to get around a double-parked van without hitting the agressive bike overtaking me on the other side |
| 14:45.28 | murb | was it a hired/borrowed car? |
| 14:45.30 | Leeds | it's a rental car, so I can imagine some fun tomorrow when I return it |
| 14:50.18 | Leeds | 24 hours from now is takeoff time for my flight home :-( |
| 14:55.30 | pdr | Leeds: it'll be good to have you back |
| 14:55.43 | pdr | how long are you back for then? |
| 14:55.44 | SlayerXP | creep |
| 14:56.39 | Leeds | SlayerXP: ? |
| 14:57.38 | Leeds | pdr: well, I've got a couple of theoretical trips to Leeds planned in April, and a very very rough plan to be back here at the end of April |
| 15:04.19 | pdr | that's pretty soon. any job prospects there yet? |
| 15:04.55 | Leeds | none whatsoever - I've not really looked |
| 15:06.02 | Leeds | as well as the big "do I move out here" question, there are smaller ones... assuming I did come out here, I would probably want to do the government language course for 3-5 months when I arrive, so at most I'd be looking for part-time work then anywya |
| 15:07.16 | Leeds | but then part of the plan would be that, say, I moved out here at the start of June, I would still have sginificant redundancy cash to hand, so could afford to live for a few months without working... there is a government stipend while studying, which is just enough to live on cheap food in a hostel... |
| 15:08.01 | pdr | that'd be cool then. |
| 15:08.06 | Leeds | the thing I need to get straight on when I get back is talking to official people about the process and timescale for moving |
| 15:08.46 | pdr | a lot of people would speak english tho wouldn't they? especially in IT-type work place? |
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| 15:09.06 | Leeds | other important things about doing the course is that the people on it apparently normally then end up being part of your social/professional support network... and of course it gives some time to build that network anyway before/while looking for work |
| 15:09.19 | Leeds | the main thing to do first would be find somewhere to live, I think |
| 15:09.35 | pdr | yep |
| 15:09.57 | pdr | it'd be much cheaper there i assume for places to rent |
| 15:10.09 | pdr | well, cheaper than london anyway |
| 15:10.14 | Leeds | yeah, I think so... I need to ask my host here how much he pays for his place |
| 15:10.46 | Leeds | decent living room, kitchen, separate bathroom/toilet, utility room space off the kitchen, three small-ish work/bed rooms |
| 15:11.54 | Leeds | one of the strange things here is that rent is quoted in dollars, but often paid in shekels at the current rate... so rent can change month to month :-) |
| 15:12.59 | pdr | strange |
| 15:13.04 | pdr | turkey is like that too |
| 15:13.38 | Leeds | I think there have been conscious moves away from quoting things in dollars - it used to be that people paid some taxes in dollars, I think, which is even stranger |
| 15:14.23 | pdr | indeed. that doesn't exactly show trust in the robustness of the local currency |
| 15:14.59 | Leeds | and I believe they outlawed it a few years ago |
| 15:15.40 | pdr | tet's on his way to Cuba next week, and he was saying the same thing was true of there. |
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| 15:16.48 | Leeds | I'm sure |
| 15:17.16 | Leeds | I would imagine they have a real love/hate thing going on with dollars |
| 15:18.00 | pdr | there's apparently now a "convertible peso" for tourists which is linked to the US dollar |
| 15:44.16 | George | that's my invoice written |
| 15:44.20 | George | now to print it off somehow. |
| 15:44.58 | Leeds | maybe using a printer |
| 15:46.20 | JAV | old fashioned, eh? :D |
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| 16:29.16 | mozrat | wakey wakey |
| 16:29.28 | mikejw | :) |
| 16:53.00 | Leeds | I have to say I was wondering what you were half-smoking |
| 17:03.45 | pdr | heh |
| 17:07.03 | clyphox | nothing like a good tube in my books |
| 17:08.32 | pdr | i prefer the bus |
| 17:10.59 | Leeds | clyphox: if you got a better book, it may indeed have something like a good tube in it |
| 17:11.42 | pdr | *groan* |
| 17:12.11 | Leeds | pdr: sorry :-) |
| 17:12.43 | pdr | :-) |
| 17:12.53 | Leeds | Friday is waning fast |
| 17:13.06 | pdr | yep, almost time to go meet wethrin |
| 17:14.19 | Leeds | almost time to go to the mother-in-law's (of my host, not me) for dinner, then onto host's-wife's-brother's-band's-concert in Tel Aviv |
| 17:17.09 | clyphox | woo! |
| 17:17.40 | clyphox | I'm trying to think of a good park to invade tomorrow where I can rest and recover from my hangover |
| 17:18.10 | pdr | Leeds: sounds like fun |
| 17:18.23 | Leeds | pdr: indeed it does... my last night here |
| 17:18.30 | pdr | clyphox: dude, how about just breaking a squat or something? |
| 17:18.46 | rhowe | pdr: wethrin has SMSed to say "pub, then Thai" |
| 17:18.56 | Leeds | mmm... Thai... |
| 17:19.01 | Leeds | I need some Thai next week |
| 17:20.28 | rhowe | medically? |
| 17:21.38 | pdr | rhowe: i'd say he's suggesting patara |
| 17:21.58 | pdr | yeah, now *everyone's* a comedian |
| 17:25.24 | pdr | rhowe: when is dan getting in? |
| 17:25.39 | pdr | i think he said 6, so i guess that means pub at 6:30ish? |
| 17:43.00 | clyphox | pdr: "breakign" a squat? hows that work? |
| 17:46.52 | pdr | clyphox: you break into an abandoned place and live there |
| 17:47.04 | pdr | i think i mean "open" rather than "break". is that the terminology? |
| 17:57.55 | pdr | later |
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| 19:31.12 | clyphox | pdr : sorry bout that.. haveing great fun with XP updates and a dodgy connection here |
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| 21:23.42 | JAV | good evening |
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| 21:54.46 | pooly | hi there |
| 21:56.13 | ufo | hi |
| 22:00.24 | clyphox | chatzilla hehe |
| 22:00.33 | clyphox | Clubbing time! woo |
| 22:07.48 | pooly | what you mean ? the big fuss about stoping the dev of mozilla suite ? |
| 22:31.31 | edward | Hardware cursor support is provided for the 845G and 865G, but is not yet implemented for the 830M, 852GM and 855GM. <-- damn |
| 22:31.43 | edward | so i have intelfb, but text cursor on the consle |
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