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01:33.38GeorgeBlapto: yo
01:33.52GeorgeBlapto: happy april fools day. don't let the RFC crap get to you :)
03:15.42rhowevsda
03:15.45rhowebleh
03:54.19murbmoin
03:54.48AngelChildhi
03:54.50AngelChildand... bye
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08:22.50itsbruceMorning
08:23.09morsingmorning
08:25.54SlayerXPPope JP2 brown bread
08:29.00morsing2005-04-01 08:28:57 [8658] - Performing security check Ref. 30.
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09:17.49Leedshttp://lkml.org/lkml/2005/4/1/41
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09:58.21morsingLeeds?
10:02.39Leedsmorsing: ?
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10:06.35morsingLeeds: The co-owner of OpenAnswers told me to tell you that if you're interested in an interview tell me
10:07.20Leedsah! interesting, thanks...
10:07.28Leedsum...
10:08.31LeedsI'm assuming they'd want a CV, and I don't have a sane one yet :-)
10:08.45Leedshttp://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=101968
10:10.06morsingLeeds: It's a very relaxed company. Even the owners are *very* technical and Solaris competent people
10:10.56Leedsinteresting :-)
10:10.59morsingLeeds: Is that your CV?
10:11.17Leedsnot exactly :-)
10:11.30morsingGood thing I didn't send it to him...
10:11.33Leedsit's Guido's April Fool's thing
10:12.20Leedsthe latest CV I'm actually got my hands on is from when I gratuated... it's rather out-of-date
10:12.40LeedsI'm sure I did have a newer one when I left SCO, but I've not found it yet
10:14.47morsingLeeds: They don't need a CV I'm sure
10:15.14Leedswell, if they fancy a chat, I could go see them next week
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10:18.02Leedswell that hasn't happened for a while... same cause
10:18.04Leeds(X server crashing, that is)
10:18.58morsingLeeds: They don't need a fancy CV, a quick draft is fine. Do you want Jeremy Peets details?
10:19.12Leedssure
10:24.23morsingHis number is 07976578312. You can arrange further details. Nice Guy. Their main office is in Kingsbury (close to you, isn't it)?
10:24.45Leedsuh, yes, actually, come to think of it :-)
10:25.26LeedsJeremy Peeps, his name?
10:25.34morsingJeremy Peet
10:26.23Leedswondering if they're cool with *really* remote working :-)
10:26.38morsingOne of the guys live in Dublin :-)
10:27.14Leedsokay, interesting...
10:27.33morsingHe only moved recently though
10:29.42Leedsyeah, to be serious, I think taking work here means staying here...
10:29.51morsingProbably
10:29.58morsingSo you're not interested?
10:30.09LeedsI DON'T KNOW
10:30.15morsingSorry :-(
10:30.24LeedsI don't like big decisions... I don't know what to do with my life
10:30.26Leeds:-)
10:47.08morsingThey've got a Greggs in Kingsbury
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10:51.32Leedsif you say so :-)  I used to live to the west of kingsbury (Kenton), now I'm to the east (Hendon)
10:53.03Blaptoji
10:53.04Blaptohi
10:55.37lukemalis it possile to boot from disk if I only will install packages from Slackwares "A" category?
10:56.17Leedsargh
10:56.35BlaptoI installed KDE today :)
10:58.49Leedsso I've just had a call from one of the organisers of the event I was going up to Leeds for - and which, yes, I only applied for this week - to say that they're already overbooked, so he's got to reject my application
11:00.04BlaptoAsk for the name of someone who's application was accepted :)
11:00.32LeedsI've got friends who are going to be there
11:01.46Leedsthe annoying thing is that I called last week to check availability, left a message, and no-one called me back - if it had been a little earlier, I could have tried pulling rank a little, but that would be crass, unfair, and unlikely to work now
11:02.47Leedsoh, and I certainly could complain that they should have pulled the application form from the website when the event was full - and I'm (sort of) part of the team which manages the website
11:03.43Blaptohttp://www.google.co.uk/googlegulp/faq.html <-- Teehee
11:07.13wethrinMorning
11:07.21BlaptoNo it isn't
11:07.46wethrinPedant
11:07.57BlaptoThe pedants are revolting!
11:08.01wethrinThey are
11:08.11BlaptoReminds me, I should have a shower.
11:08.20wethrinYou smell of poo and wee?
11:08.27BlaptoDoubtful
11:08.31BlaptoSweat, most likely
11:09.15wethrinOkay
11:13.39BlaptoArgh
11:14.05BlaptoI just bought something on eBay from somebody in Norfolk, I'm doomed to never receive it!
11:14.14Leedsoops
11:17.34wethrinOops
11:26.46mozratIn bash is there a way to run a command for a set length of time - say tcpdump for exactly 5 mins
11:26.53mozratthe opposite of the sleep command :)
11:27.19wethrinat now+5, killall tcpdump ?: )
11:27.42mozratwith the comma?
11:28.46wethrinNo. I don't even know if it'll work properly
11:28.49wethrinman at
11:28.54mozratok, ta
11:30.01wethrinIs mozrat coming tonight for food/booze?
11:31.33mozratwethrin: sorry, 'fraid not. Worked all night.. going out to dinner to repent my sins :(
11:31.38mozratbut
11:31.42mozratHAPPY BIRTHDAY
11:31.45wethrinCome to dinner in Chimes
11:31.45wethrin:)
11:31.47wethrinThanks!
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11:41.12Blaptowethrin, tis your birthday?
11:41.38morsingBlapto: Yesteday but the party's today
11:41.47BlaptoAh, ok
11:42.04morsingIt was my nephew's birthday yesterday as well
11:42.19BlaptoShame it's not today.  Three best days for birthdays are April 1st, May 4th and Feb 29th.
11:43.54morsingHow's the pope?
11:44.28SlayerXPmorsing: "lucid and concious" and will most likely remain so until the press conference
11:44.54Leedson the basis that if he isn't lucid and conscious, no-one is running the church
11:44.58BlaptoApparently he has received last rites.
11:45.13murbLeeds: does a church need to be run?
11:45.15BlaptoIt could be an Apr 1st, but that would be severly bad taste.
11:45.21murbwhat happens if it breaks down?
11:45.32SlayerXPthe bishops get out and push
11:45.38Leedsheh
11:46.03murbSlayerXP: Cardinals surly?
11:46.09SlayerXPdelegation
11:46.10BlaptoCardinals are too old.
11:46.26murband will they remove the feeding tube?
11:46.38Leedsmurb: before the bury him, I assume
11:48.18murbnobody talks about bring democracy to the vatican either.
11:48.40Blaptomurb, write a letter to Bush!
11:51.13morsing...
11:51.18morsingMmm... Bush
11:51.47Blaptonot that sort of bush...
12:08.55LeedsBlapto: and how do you know that morsing doesn't have a thing for makes-a-goldfish-look-like-Einstein, right-wing conservative religious politicians?
12:09.07morsingWhich I do
12:11.35itsbruceIt's AIX, it's affecting his brain ;)
12:11.48Leedslol
12:23.16Blaptohttp://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/tracker.shtml
12:23.18BlaptoBwahaha
12:23.20BlaptoFood, bye
12:23.38morsingFood?
12:25.39Leedsit's a thing many people eat at around this time of day
12:27.00rhowemrrr
12:44.01wethrinBlapto: 'twas my birthday yesterday
12:46.23wethrinRight. I've got 3 people who're coming so far; who else?
12:59.45morsingThe pope?
13:01.24rhoweCan you eat pie with a tube?
13:02.17rhowewethrin: Happy birthday for yesterday, btw, and happy mailman day for today
13:02.50wethrinThanks!
13:06.09JAVafternoon
13:07.13JAVwethrin: happy birthday! (with a little lag)
13:11.01wethrinThanks!
13:11.09gregjwethrin: happy
13:11.17wethrintha!
13:11.31gregjyeah, happy mailman day, these ppl sending clean text passwds over internet should be shot
13:11.46wethrinIt's only mailing list passwords
13:11.49gregjbut not instantly, no headshots, first, right leg, left leg, ..
13:12.11BlaptoYou do the hokey kokey and you turn around
13:12.15gregjyeah, that's enough to get shot nowdays
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13:45.25itsbruceThe worst anybody can do with a mailman password is unsubscribe you and you get notification of that
13:46.07itsbruceI suppose they might switch you to digest mode, which is a special kind of evil, but hardly a security crisis
13:49.21rhoweSuddenly all mailing lists go quiet... and then the end of the month cometh
13:49.26rhowe*blam*
13:50.28rhoweIn fact, it'd be pretty tough to carry on a conversation on a mailing list if all participants were subscribed in digest mode
13:50.35rhoweDiscussion would be.. slow :)
13:50.46wethrinYou could have a 5-minute digest
13:51.08itsbruceNow, Outlook users who do digest mode, they deserve shooting
13:51.34rhoweMore so than groupwise users? :)
13:51.36itsbruceThey never seem to manage to reply to individual posts in any useful fasion
13:51.53itsbruceGroupWise users have suffered enough
13:52.00rhowehaha
13:52.03itsbruceThough not as much as their admins
13:52.22rhowet'mother uses groupwise
13:53.13rhoweReminds me
13:53.38rhoweI need to give her a lesson in appropriate use of the 'Subject:' header in email
13:53.44itsbruceSo many things wrong with GroupWise, it's hard to know where to start
13:54.08rhoweIt did seem pretty terrible when I had to use it, yes
13:54.46itsbruceIt started out as a WordPerfect product and was shoehorned into Netware
13:54.55itsbruceThe NDS integration is non-existent
13:55.02rhoweReassuring to know that the residents of the High Peak's council tax has gone into purchasing it :)
13:55.22rhowe(and maintaining it, and interfacing it to the internet)
13:56.39itsbruceThe Internet Protocols interface is a buggy afterthought, the encrypted pseudo-database is unreliable, it performs like a 1-legged dog running an uphill race in mid-summer....
13:57.51itsbruceOh, and the groupware tools are crap, which is alarming given that they are the only real reason anybody should ever think of using it
13:59.08itsbruceAnd the NDS integration is *so* crap that it doesn't really offer any advantages to an organisation that uses Netware/NDS in a big way.
13:59.45wethrinrhowe: You know how to get to Chimes?
13:59.55rhowewethrin: No, but Streetmap is my guide
14:00.00rhowephone
14:00.06wethrinOkay
14:06.00itsbruceI spent a bit of time on the GroupWise admin newsgroup/mailing lists but soon discovered that there are no clueful GroupWise admins because all the clueful ones quickly migrate to something else
14:22.29JAV40Mb a pdf reader (acrobat), it's stupid. The whole HD of my 80286
14:22.56wethrinChimes is booked
14:24.13JAV96Mb installed :D
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14:34.29BlaptoYou are currently using 40 MB (3%) of your 1351 MB.
14:34.36BlaptoGmail is bigger since when
14:35.24gregj_http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/139147.html
14:35.34gregjBlapto: look at gmail.google.com
14:35.43gregjit's getting bigger every second
14:35.54BlaptoI see in new features now.
14:36.04gregjI wouldn't be supprised if they keep emails compressed :-)
14:36.15gregjthat doesn't acctualy sounds like not good idea
14:36.50BlaptoMost are plain text and jpegs, don't compress well.
14:37.16gregjplain text doesn't compress well ?
14:37.26gregjwhere were you rised boy
14:38.07BlaptoGrrr, thousands of pounds worth of technology in this room and I can't find a bloody pen.
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14:48.25itsbruceOnly thing that compresses better than plain text is files full of the same character.
14:48.26SlayerCEBlapto: use your own blood
14:49.09BlaptoI found a pen in the end.
14:49.17BlaptoNot bloody, but it will do.
14:49.36Blaptoitsbruce, I think it's because someone was waving blonde hair dye at me at the time I was typing that.
14:49.56morsinghttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/01/steve_jobs_joins_ikea/
14:50.07BlaptoI want that chair
14:50.47gregjafter miniMac next great product, chairMac
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14:52.45BlaptoLo haywood
14:52.51haywoodhey
14:53.40morsingkernel: fwhandle_get(fwacct.c:1454): Table kbufs - Invalid handle f7eb7000 (bad entry)
14:53.48morsingkernel: FW-1: fw_end_acct_conn: got BAD kbuf: f7eb7000
14:53.50gregjlinux sux
14:53.56morsingkernel: fwhandle_get(fwbuf.c:1302): Table kbufs - Invalid handle f7eb7000 (bad entry)
14:53.57rhoweitsbruce: XML gzip's pretty damn well
14:54.02gregjmore bugs in this year than windows had last year
14:54.11rhoweitsbruce: gzip seems to love repeated identical tags :)
14:54.13morsingAnyone know what this means? (It's NetBSD)
14:54.32gregj:D
14:54.59gregjinvalid handle, will probably mean that you are trying to do somethig using handle hat isn't registered (anymore) in kernel
14:55.08gregjfor instance operate on file, etc
14:55.37morsingIT's running checkpoint fw
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14:57.22gregjI don't know netbsd well enough
14:57.29gregjbetter /j #netbsd or someth
14:58.48Blaptoback layer
14:58.50Blaptolater
15:01.24itsbruceStick with acronyms.  If you misspell biab, nobody will be sure if it's a typo or one they haven't seen yet.
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15:27.38BlaptoGeorge, do you argue with your mother?
15:29.03Georgeno
15:29.06Georgeer, yes
15:29.32BlaptoIt may explain the problem you have with women in general, the one that manifests in the violence against AngelChild
15:29.38Georgehahahaha
15:29.40Georgehahahahahhaahhaahhahahahaha
15:29.42Georgehahahahahahahaha
15:30.07BlaptoThe evil cackle isn't helping your case.
15:30.24GeorgeOne would hardly call it a "problem"
15:30.53BlaptoI'm sure we could make it one.
15:31.41Georgehahahahahahahaahaha
15:35.30haywoodFreud says that only women have a problem with their mothers, they all suffer from penis envy, beliving that their mothers cut theirs off at birth to spite them
15:37.02Blaptohaywood, I'll get Fiona to come in here, she does AS psychology
15:37.54BlaptoAs part of her coursework she has to do a study on her friends.  I'm making a point of going away for that week so she doesn't diagnose me with something.
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15:42.49AngelChildo.o
15:43.05AngelChildFreud is wrong :P penis envy is a stupid idea xD
15:43.24haywoodhow can you doubt freud man was a genius
15:43.36AngelChildno-one's perfect :)
15:43.36BlaptoAngelChild, he's picking a fight, beware
15:43.41AngelChildTroll++;
15:44.21haywoodare you a woman? if so freud says all your opinoins are at fault and i will now ignore you
15:44.47BlaptoHaywood's no troll, he just likes argueing :
15:44.49Blapto:)
15:45.26haywoodno ones trolled me in a fair while, but i really want to argue with someone now
15:45.42rhowe01-Apr 16:07 spanky-sd: Recycled volume "CasesDAILY_4" on device "/dev/nst0", all previous data lost.
15:45.47rhowewhee, that's what I want to see
15:46.07AngelChildwhether or not i'm a woman is debatable :)
15:46.16BlaptoAngelChild, based on what?
15:46.51AngelChildbased on life experience? *shrugs*
15:47.04Blaptoyou have life experience as a man?
15:48.24AngelChildhe has gone o/
15:48.31AngelChildI have life experience as me, that's scary enough :)
15:52.37BlaptoHe just had his network card nicked
15:52.49BlaptoHe'll be back in 10, apparently
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16:05.14Georgepsychology sucks.
16:05.36gregjvacum sux
16:05.46Georgegregj: what do you think of the kde move to bk? :P
16:05.58gregjgreat stuff ;)
16:06.00George:)
16:06.03gregjsvn sux
16:06.06Georgehaha
16:06.10gregjit isn't on GPL
16:06.39itsbrucesvk is interesting
16:07.51itsbruceAnd has rather more chance of evolving into a bk equivalent than, for example, arch.  Which is maintained by a looney.
16:08.24gregjyep, arch is slow thou
16:08.29gregjgcc ppl were saying so at least
16:09.24itsbruceWell, this might have something to do with the developer wasting his time reimplementing libc
16:09.38gregjis he ?
16:09.43gregjthan he is dumb
16:10.00gregjthat's against open source ideas at least
16:10.05itsbruceSevere case of Not-Invented-Here syndrome
16:10.23gregjthat hurts
16:10.31itsbruceMixture of ego and tinfoil-hat level of paranoia
16:29.28rhoweWhy is half 5 on a Friday always the time that Debian release security advisories
16:32.13George17:32 < George> I FUCKING LOVE THOSE ICE MAKERS ON FRIDGES
16:32.13George17:32 < mornfall|work> |lart George
16:32.13George17:32  * nightbot introduces George to George (#4)
16:32.20Georgeseems one of the larts is introducing people to me
16:37.22itsbruceibot: george?
16:37.23iboti heard george is gwright@kde.org, a kde lover/developer and a freak/geek
16:37.48itsbruceNeeds updating, obviously
16:41.18rhoweibot: George also has a secret, illicit passion for GNOME
16:41.47rhoweibot: George is also involved in a secret, illicit relationship with GNOME
16:41.48ibotrhowe: cannot alter locked factoids
16:41.58rhoweibot: :(
16:41.59iboti guess ( is feeling blue
16:46.48Georgehttp://www.gwright.org.uk/images/cache/pictures/Misc/800x600/pict0786.jpg
16:46.50GeorgeI hate holiday work.
16:47.49BlaptoIn the time it took for you to set it up and bitch about it in 27 IRC channels, you could have done a couple of papers...
16:48.00George27 != 1
16:48.03Georgeand I can't be fucked to do it
16:48.06GeorgeI'd rather be on IRC
18:23.10edwardwhat is Chimes?
18:25.33murba restaurant
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19:45.42mikejwhey guys
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23:08.38BlaptoAnyone home?
23:10.18GeorgeBlapto: YES
23:11.00rhoweyes
23:11.05rhoweJust got back
23:11.13rhowepdr gave me a lift :)
23:11.33BlaptoHey Russel
23:11.53rhowell!
23:13.30BlaptoBeen sick yet?
23:13.54rhoweNot at all
23:14.24BlaptoI won't either, but I've got a headache already.
23:14.27rhoweGot rid of my hangover from the night before :)
23:14.28BlaptoI wonder if Dan's home alright.
23:14.49rhoweheh, something tells me he might not end up coming along for dim sum tomorrow
23:14.56BlaptoNo, I don't think so
23:15.09BlaptoSomething tells me I shouldn't be having a driving lesson at 10AM tomorrow
23:15.11rhoweThough that won't stop me heckling him via SMS
23:15.32rhowehm.. I don't recall you drinking a whole lot more than I did
23:15.42rhowethough maybe you hit the cider while I was on the perry
23:15.58BlaptoI probably had the same amount as you
23:16.07Blaptohit the mead quite hard towards the end though, I might regret that.
23:16.34rhoweheh
23:16.41rhoweI liked the mead
23:18.10BlaptoI'll get Dave to get a couple of bottles for me I think
23:18.42rhoweHe'll end up persuading you that you really need a crate
23:19.17BlaptoI know
23:19.30Blapto£8/bottle @ 12 bottles = £96 though
23:20.04rhoweHe's very persuasive :)
23:20.16BlaptoSo is my wallet
23:29.34rhoweHm, still need to do something with this girl's bank card I found last night
23:29.41rhowemust remember to take it into town with me tomorrow
23:31.20rhoweYeah, he did say they need sysadmins and developers
23:32.00rhowehm, wrong window :)
23:32.16Blaptohow much of it was the wrong window?
23:32.25rhowesysadmins line
23:32.49BlaptoAh, ok
23:33.07rhoweOh, btw, if you haven't already - brush your teeth. There's a lot of sugar in that there mead
23:33.46BlaptoI guessed
23:34.57rhoweibot change 40 gbp to usd
23:39.28BlaptoArgh
23:39.34Blaptomy brother is playing music
23:39.57edwardibot: change 1 gbp to turkish lira
23:40.17BlaptoWell, that failed
23:41.35edwardZWD is Zimbabwe dollar
23:43.41BlaptoRight, I'm going to bed, because I really need to
23:43.52Blaptoback tomorrow morning at Stupid hundred hours
23:58.06GeorgeWOOBLE

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