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| 06:36.20 | morsing | morning all |
| 07:01.55 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 07:22.15 | morsing | wethrin? |
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| 09:20.51 | morsing | Bruce! |
| 09:21.10 | morsing | Are you going to Stockholm in May? Scotland in August? |
| 09:23.30 | itsbruce | Neither. Might be at Swansea in August and Ottawa in July. |
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| 09:49.26 | wethrin | morsin? |
| 09:49.32 | wethrin | Yes |
| 09:49.35 | wethrin | I plan to go to both |
| 09:50.20 | morsing | Good. Hotel or YH? I think I'll do hotel this time |
| 09:50.38 | morsing | Have you booked flights yet? |
| 09:50.59 | morsing | Anyone want to share a room here: |
| 09:51.00 | morsing | http://www.hotelattache.se/hotel-English/ruem.htm |
| 09:51.38 | wethrin | morsing: Could do. How much? |
| 09:51.42 | wethrin | Not booked flights yet |
| 09:52.04 | wethrin | How close is that hotel to where everyone else is? |
| 09:52.17 | wethrin | Pooh found one that does single rooms for about £40/night |
| 10:16.24 | morsing | wethrin: This on is about #50 for a single, #60 for a double. 10mins from town |
| 10:16.39 | morsing | Pooh? Is that Minesh? |
| 10:16.57 | wethrin | No. Pooh on #lbw |
| 10:17.27 | morsing | This hotel looks very nice though |
| 10:17.33 | wethrin | With breakfast? |
| 10:17.47 | wethrin | You going Fri->Mon? |
| 10:17.57 | morsing | Indeed. A big one with swedish stuff as well. |
| 10:18.03 | wethrin | Mmmm |
| 10:18.39 | morsing | wethrin: Yes, Fri->Mon Possibly 6:42 dept and 20:05 arr. |
| 10:19.07 | wethrin | Cool. I'm up for a roomshare, then |
| 10:19.19 | morsing | Good :-) |
| 10:19.24 | morsing | Is Edwin coming? |
| 10:19.31 | wethrin | Don't think |
| 10:19.32 | wethrin | so |
| 10:19.46 | wethrin | He said he might go to a Haskell confeference there a couple of weeks later |
| 10:19.51 | wethrin | So if you sort out the hotel.... :-) |
| 10:20.27 | morsing | No problem. |
| 10:20.56 | wethrin | hurrah |
| 10:41.05 | morsing | Mmm... PDF |
| 10:41.12 | wethrin | PDF? |
| 10:43.01 | morsing | Better than word |
| 10:47.38 | wethrin | Yes |
| 10:47.39 | wethrin | True |
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| 11:23.29 | mikejw | hello? |
| 11:46.55 | ufo | Hi guys :) |
| 11:47.24 | ufo | Do you know if msn is up? |
| 11:48.38 | ufo | it is, thx |
| 12:14.15 | morsing | Thank god! |
| 12:52.03 | wethrin | morsing: Book hotel! :-) |
| 12:54.34 | morsing | How many rooms? |
| 12:55.41 | wethrin | Want to share to make it cheaper? |
| 12:56.16 | morsing | No, but if more people are coming. Okay, I'll book. |
| 12:58.02 | wethrin | fri->mon, yes? |
| 12:58.15 | wethrin | you really ought to be on #lbw if you're coming :) |
| 13:07.04 | Blapto | Anyone running OpenZaurus? |
| 13:38.38 | itsbruce | Seems not |
| 13:39.08 | Blapto | Someone's said they'll sell me a Sharp SL-5500 for about £130 |
| 13:39.23 | Blapto | But I can predict it collecting dust. |
| 14:01.49 | AndrewBlack | Hi - in bash can you continue a statement on another line ? |
| 14:03.09 | rhowe | End the line with a \ |
| 14:03.18 | rhowe | So you escape the newline |
| 14:08.30 | AndrewBlack | rhowe - thought so but it aint working for me at this moment ... |
| 14:10.43 | highbury | there are some places where you don't need the \ say between a "while" and a "do" where they're on different lines |
| 14:12.14 | AndrewBlack | I am trying to do xxxxx.pl f1 f2 f3 f4 \ |
| 14:12.16 | AndrewBlack | f5 |
| 14:13.02 | AndrewBlack | and it compalins that f5 is not a bah command. (clearly in realy life the lengths of files goes beyound the edge of screen) |
| 14:19.51 | wethrin | Just keep typing, and the screen will wrap |
| 14:23.43 | morsing | wethrin: The hotel's email address is invalid |
| 14:23.51 | morsing | And I'm hungry |
| 14:25.50 | wethrin | Have food! |
| 14:31.36 | rhowe | AndrewBlack: Do you have any spaces after the \? |
| 14:33.02 | pdr | Blapto: the sl-5500's are pretty good |
| 14:37.51 | Blapto | pdr, they look nice |
| 14:40.56 | pdr | i have a sl-c860 which is also nice |
| 14:41.37 | AndrewBlack | rhowe - that's it. New it would be something stupid..... |
| 14:41.41 | AndrewBlack | cheers |
| 14:43.48 | rhowe | You were escaping the space, not the \n :) |
| 14:45.25 | AndrewBlack | obvious when you think about it ..... One of my hate things are file formats in which white space at end of lines are significant |
| 14:46.45 | AndrewBlack | I remember FORTRAN 2 |
| 14:47.45 | AndrewBlack | It didnt have IF x .lt. y. You had to say if ( x-y) 1,2,3 to decide whether to go to 1 2 or 3. You can see why GOTO where considered dangerous |
| 14:48.04 | wethrin | Indeed |
| 14:48.08 | wethrin | GOTO is sometimes very useful |
| 14:48.27 | rhowe | In case anyone's interested in getting a working UML kernel out of 2.6.11.6, you might find this helps - 2.6.11.6-unb0rk-uml.patch |
| 14:48.30 | rhowe | uh.. |
| 14:48.32 | rhowe | http://www.siksai.co.uk/~rhowe/2.6.11.6-unb0rk-uml.patch |
| 14:58.58 | itsbruce | AndrewBlack: given that you can escape the space in the shell for many legitimate reasons, having a special case where you ignore this if it is whitespace to the end of the line is theoretically a bad thing |
| 14:59.28 | morsing | Why doesn't X11Forwadring work? |
| 14:59.44 | wethrin | Because it should be Forwarding, not Forwadring |
| 14:59.54 | morsing | ELP! |
| 15:00.05 | George | HELP! |
| 15:00.08 | morsing | EEP! |
| 15:00.18 | morsing | No - seriously. I can't get it to work! |
| 15:00.54 | wethrin | ssh -X? |
| 15:01.07 | morsing | Doesn't work Debug output says: |
| 15:01.08 | itsbruce | It needs to be configured on the server as well as specified in the client. You also need some xclients stuff on each of the servers you pass through so that they can do the xauth stuff. |
| 15:01.14 | AndrewBlack | itsbruce - I agree. The answer might be an editor that highlights end of line white space so at least you see what you are doing. |
| 15:01.27 | morsing | debug2: x11_get_proto: /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth list hhmors:0.0 2>/dev/null |
| 15:01.27 | morsing | debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing. |
| 15:01.27 | morsing | debug1: channel 0: request x11-req |
| 15:01.27 | morsing | debug1: channel 0: request shell |
| 15:01.48 | highbury | AndrewBlack: \ $ |
| 15:02.07 | morsing | itsbruce: Server is configured. It works on other servers with this client |
| 15:02.32 | rhowe | morsing: The box you're ssh'ing to has xauth installed? |
| 15:02.45 | morsing | rhowe: Don't know. How do I tell? |
| 15:02.45 | AndrewBlack | highbury - can you expliain that |
| 15:03.00 | rhowe | morsing: ssh to it and try running "xauth" |
| 15:03.21 | morsing | ksh: xauth: not found |
| 15:03.37 | rhowe | That may well be your problem |
| 15:03.57 | morsing | I think so. The other servers have it. |
| 15:04.00 | highbury | AndrewBlack: well if I was in vim, and I typed that, all the lines ending with spaces are highlit |
| 15:04.47 | rhowe | morsing: 3 things which Debian people get bitten by - needs -X on the client, the server has the option set to 'off' in sshd_config by default and you have to go and enable it, and you need xbase-clients installed to provide xauth |
| 15:05.15 | rhowe | AndrewBlack: jEdit has a Whitespace plugin which rocks |
| 15:09.00 | AndrewBlack | OK - I use Jedit, but not on the box in question... |
| 15:27.51 | itsbruce | We've nearly phased out AIX here |
| 15:33.36 | morsing | itsbruce: I can find another job for you |
| 15:42.57 | itsbruce | Heh. I don't mind waving goodby to it. We don't need its strengths, so there is little point in living with its eccentricities and deficiencies in user space. |
| 15:44.43 | itsbruce | If we wanted a commercial unix in the mix, there are more logical choices given the kind of applications we do. |
| 16:07.12 | rhowe | itsbruce: Do you have any Winboxen? |
| 16:16.59 | George | wooble |
| 16:18.26 | itsbruce | rhowe: A few. Maybe 5 here, 3 in our production network. |
| 16:18.51 | rhowe | itsbruce: Backing them up with Bacula can require you changing ACLs |
| 16:19.32 | rhowe | itsbruce: At least here, it is.. I might try changing the user it runs as to the same one the ARCserve client was using. Might work a bit better |
| 16:19.54 | itsbruce | You could always make it run as system |
| 16:20.10 | rhowe | It is doing |
| 16:20.47 | rhowe | (that's the default, and might be required for the special Windows backup API calls to work - not tested yet) |
| 16:20.51 | itsbruce | Then you must have been locking things down more than is usual. The system user can see all disks by default. |
| 16:21.56 | rhowe | I don't think I've been locking stuff down, but when you specify a user's home directory in the AD users & computers thing, it seems to create locked down directories that Administrator doesn't have access to |
| 16:22.32 | itsbruce | Oh, Administrator can't see them, no. |
| 16:22.58 | itsbruce | system is a different account entirely, though. Not a user account at all. You can't log in as it. |
| 16:23.00 | rhowe | Nor SYSTEM, in this case, it seems. Anyway. I tried tweaking some ACLs today - will see if the files are backed up tonight |
| 16:23.14 | rhowe | itsbruce: *nod* reserved for services |
| 16:23.30 | rhowe | It has a well-known SID and all that |
| 16:24.03 | itsbruce | Dealing with windows user profiles on Windows NT and derivatives is a royal pain |
| 16:24.26 | rhowe | Yes, yes it is. |
| 16:24.58 | itsbruce | You can't even directly discover how much disk space they're using. You have to look at the total disk usage and then subtract everything you know about. |
| 16:25.10 | rhowe | Yup |
| 16:25.18 | itsbruce | And can you move them? Can you fuck. |
| 16:25.31 | rhowe | On a tangent, I came across a fun little Java application for looking at disk usage - jdiskfree from jgoodies.com |
| 16:25.44 | rhowe | Gives you a click-through piechart of the worst offenders |
| 16:25.56 | rhowe | (assuming you have access to the files, that is :) |
| 16:26.11 | itsbruce | Standard advice is to just change the location that profiles will be stored and then make sure your users all log in again from a machine that has a recent copy of their profile. |
| 16:27.11 | rhowe | We just stopped using roaming profiles. When a user has a 500M profile and logs in from the office with a 1Mbit/s line, it takes a while |
| 16:27.49 | rhowe | When a whole office of users with 500M profiles do that, it takes all day :) |
| 16:30.38 | itsbruce | Well, at my last job where almost all the desktops were Windows, we made sure that user documents were stored in a home directory that was separate from their profile. Much more sane. |
| 16:31.46 | itsbruce | I think Win2k and above offer a "home directory" setting, if you're using Active Directory, but we just did it with policies. |
| 16:32.41 | rhowe | Yeah, that's what we do |
| 16:32.58 | rhowe | Those home directories are exactly the ones I'm talking about - AD sets restrictive permissions on them |
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| 16:39.17 | lukemal | I have got a computer with mandrake 10.1 and kopete as a irc client :-( shit. my company will sell it :-( |
| 16:39.34 | lukemal | error on error :-) |
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| 19:35.07 | lukemal | hello. how to put in slackware my own splash screen when gnome starts |
| 19:35.12 | lukemal | where it is? |
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| 19:56.22 | George | eek, it's Leeds |
| 19:56.23 | George | eeeek |
| 19:56.24 | George | eeeeeek |
| 19:56.26 | George | eeeeeeeek |
| 20:09.05 | Leeds | ... |
| 20:18.10 | Leeds | fucking sourceforge download page |
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| 20:48.22 | George | Leeds: yeah, it sucks a bit |
| 20:48.29 | George | Leeds: please can I have those games? :) |
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| 21:03.56 | JAV | evening |
| 21:04.12 | Leeds | hi |
| 21:04.53 | George | Leeds: please?!?! :( |
| 21:06.35 | Leeds | yeah |
| 21:06.43 | George | yay |
| 21:06.47 | George | when can I collect them? :P |
| 21:07.53 | Leeds | ooh, dunno |
| 21:08.06 | George | bah |
| 21:08.08 | George | tomorrow? |
| 21:08.09 | George | :P |
| 21:11.39 | Leeds | ooh, dunno |
| 21:12.16 | George | I hate you |
| 21:24.05 | Blapto | Hi Leeds |
| 21:25.03 | George | blapso blapto |
| 21:25.04 | Leeds | evening Blapto |
| 21:25.10 | George | there, wasn't that clever? |
| 21:25.38 | George | (future tense deliberate) |
| 21:26.25 | Blapto | Leeds, you back in London? |
| 21:26.54 | Leeds | yup |
| 21:27.09 | Blapto | How was home? |
| 21:28.38 | Leeds | not bad |
| 21:28.51 | Blapto | your parents been practicing their moaning? |
| 21:29.25 | George | practising. |
| 21:29.27 | Leeds | I found something which seemed to defuse them |
| 21:29.35 | Blapto | Oooh, pray tell |
| 21:30.18 | Leeds | give them something (agree to one nag) at the start of the trip... |
| 21:31.57 | Blapto | right |
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| 22:36.13 | Leeds | now that's what I like... I have an xbox dance pad on the way so I can play with my own songs... and there's a new pydance out yesterday with "Better Xbox pad support" in the changelog :-) |
| 22:38.07 | murb | dance pad? |
| 22:38.35 | Leeds | dance pad |
| 22:38.57 | Leeds | as in ddr |
| 22:40.08 | murb | no idea. |
| 22:41.10 | Leeds | ibot pydance |
| 22:41.11 | ibot | somebody said pydance was the only reasonable Dance Dance Revolution emulator for Linux, written in python, available at http://icculus.org/pyddr/ |
| 22:41.51 | murb | oh i think i saw some people doing that at 21C3 in the corridor between the 2 part oof the hack centre. |
| 22:43.51 | Leeds | possibly |
| 22:45.31 | edward | they are filming some TV on the road from the tube station to my house. possibly crimewatch |
| 22:48.26 | Leeds | fun |
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| 23:20.49 | Leeds | silly question - would DDR400 RAM work in a board which is specced for "DDR 333/266/200" - I know it would run slower, but would it run at all? |
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