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08:14.03 | mozrat | Good Morning |
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08:15.17 | mozrat | Good morning |
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08:39.18 | mozrat | moin Jang- |
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08:45.11 | Jang- | mornin |
08:45.47 | mozrat | hey Jang- Leeds |
08:46.00 | Leeds | morning mozzie, Jang- |
09:28.40 | rhowe | ibot change 148 usd to gbp |
09:28.53 | eye69 | Morning. |
09:28.53 | rhowe | mornin' |
09:29.16 | rhowe | ibot change 197 usd to gbp |
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10:43.19 | Leeds | rhowe: so does that hd work? |
10:44.26 | Leeds | hmm... adobe buying macromedia |
10:46.51 | pdr | Leeds: i may be oop north this coming weekend |
10:47.54 | Leeds | pdr: me too... |
10:48.40 | Leeds | but I'll be doing religious/family stuff, at least in the evenings, and not eating/drinking out much during the day... |
11:01.31 | pdr | if i go, i'll be quite busy. staying in liverpool, but i hope to be able to go visit the Round Table at some stage |
11:01.39 | Leeds | round table? |
11:01.46 | pdr | King Arthur and that |
11:01.50 | Leeds | anyway, I'll be pretty firmly in Leeds |
11:02.02 | pdr | it's up in the middle of Anglia |
11:02.12 | Leeds | doesn't sound very north to me :-) |
11:02.25 | pdr | near Windermere ish |
11:02.31 | pdr | that's fairly far north :-) |
11:02.45 | Leeds | ah, was thinking east angular |
11:02.54 | pdr | i might have to pick something up from leeds on the way back to london, so if i do, i'll give you a call |
11:03.15 | pdr | sorry, did i mean northumbria (i always get those confused)? |
11:28.40 | wethrin | foo |
12:20.03 | rhowe | Leeds: The guy said he hasn't tested, but will happily refund if not |
12:29.42 | pdr | i like how places are getting customers to do their qa now |
12:30.08 | wethrin | pdr: Windermere isn't Northumbria |
12:30.52 | wethrin | Assuming you mean the Lake District |
12:31.10 | pdr | i was looking at it this morning and i swear the national heritage book said either anglia or northumbria |
12:31.17 | wethrin | Cumbria? |
12:31.29 | pdr | oh yeah, could have been that one then |
12:31.33 | pdr | yeah, lake district |
12:31.46 | pdr | is that an angle settlement too then? |
12:31.48 | wethrin | That's West Coast |
12:31.51 | wethrin | Probably |
12:31.52 | pdr | yep |
12:32.14 | wethrin | Come to Durham :) |
12:32.21 | pdr | could do |
12:32.35 | pdr | that's a bit more of a detour tho |
12:33.02 | pdr | it'll be sunday if i do come, but probably won't be able to know before then |
12:33.10 | wethrin | Oh |
12:33.14 | wethrin | This Sunday? I can't do that, then |
12:33.22 | pdr | oh ok |
12:33.33 | pdr | whatchya up to then? |
12:33.48 | wethrin | I'll be in York. |
12:34.07 | pdr | well that's less of a detour! |
12:34.25 | wethrin | Random-IRC-meeting thing |
12:34.29 | wethrin | Involving, hopefully, booze |
12:36.11 | pdr | sounds like fun |
12:36.39 | pdr | i hope for your sake they know of pubs open on sundays |
12:41.07 | wethrin | No idea |
12:41.10 | wethrin | Most are, I think |
12:41.27 | wethrin | I think Central London is about the only place with weekend-closing pubs |
12:42.41 | Leeds | sunday lunch at the pub is traditional |
12:44.42 | wethrin | Indeed it is |
12:44.56 | wethrin | I hear there are some wrong people who don't like curry, though |
12:45.44 | Leeds | well they are wrong people and hence their opinion doesn't count |
12:48.54 | JAV | good afternoon |
12:50.29 | wethrin | Indeed |
12:54.18 | pdr | i thought there was a law that only allowed pubs to open for a limited number of hours on a sunday |
12:54.42 | wethrin | Nope |
12:54.48 | wethrin | Until 10.30pm |
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13:01.37 | highbury | hi guys |
13:02.19 | wethrin | hi |
13:02.26 | highbury | my keyboard just seems to have stopped working, it works in single-user mode, but when kdm fires up, it wont accept any keystrokes |
13:03.02 | wethrin | Sounds like a software problem, then |
13:10.09 | highbury | :-) |
13:10.33 | highbury | I fired up kubuntu and the keyboard works fine |
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13:16.33 | highbury | what is this /.dev in ubuntu? |
13:17.03 | itsbruce | That'll be udev, most likely |
13:17.43 | itsbruce | Debian creates a ramdisk for udev and then rebinds it to /dev, so as not to erase the orginal contents |
13:18.34 | highbury | they haven't updated firefox to 1.03 yet |
13:18.58 | itsbruce | Overkill imho. If you use a traditional fs, udev dies or you remove it, then the fs stays in the last state udev left it in. No big issue. |
13:19.32 | itsbruce | But it allows Debian to boot from a read-only root partition. |
13:19.39 | highbury | meanwhile, I need to work out why my keyboard has stopped working under SuSE 9.1+KDE 3.4 |
13:33.45 | highbury | must be something broken in X config |
13:46.31 | highbury | hmm fired up to run mode 3, ran startx and it seems to work, lets try a plain reboot |
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16:30.27 | SuSeMan | hi all |
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16:48.19 | mozrat | Hello??? SuSeMan??? I couldn't answer in less than 60 seconds |
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16:50.30 | Leeds | mozrat: you suck then |
16:51.42 | mozrat | Leeds: yes :( |
16:52.35 | rhowe | whiskey tango foxtrot?! 17:21 [Undernet] -!- ERROR Closing Link: rhowe by Amsterdam.NL.EU.undernet.org (G-lined ([0] infected! Advertising infecting web sites. Clean this computer! http://www.moosoft.com http://housecall.trendmicro.com/)) |
16:53.13 | eye69 | I got shafted too. |
16:53.48 | rhowe | Apparently Undernet is finished anyway |
16:54.03 | murb | i thought it had been finished for years! |
16:54.07 | rhowe | Lots of opers have lost their O: lines, apparently as a way to reduce the number of DDoSes |
16:54.44 | rhowe | I can't see how reducing the number of police can help, and I know at least one person who did a hell of a lot to take down botnets and get their hosts reported. He even had automated scripts which he used to report abuse |
16:55.06 | eye69 | My towns channel has been live and kicking for years. |
16:55.28 | murb | if running an ircnet is so much work, why bother? |
16:56.19 | rhowe | *shrug* I guess some were just attached to it |
16:56.35 | rhowe | Undernet's #java is actually quite good at times |
16:59.51 | eye69 | Most of my time gets taken up by Freenode and Quakenet. |
17:00.52 | rhowe | Most of my time gets taken up by work :/ |
17:01.13 | eye69 | Most of my IRC time, that is. |
17:01.38 | rhowe | IRC I mostly spend here and Undernet #linux, although if I stay G-lined, I can't see me spending much time there |
17:07.58 | rhowe | ooh, Freeciv 2.0 out |
17:08.11 | Leeds | indeed |
17:08.13 | rhowe | And with a stunning new feature that might actually mean I can play it! " - New difficulty level: Novice. It severely handicaps the AI players." |
17:08.32 | rhowe | I was constantly defeated even on 'easy' before :) |
17:08.42 | Leeds | yeah, they're a bit good... |
17:09.29 | rhowe | I'm usually roaming around with legions and chariots while they have musketeers :) |
17:09.33 | Leeds | I think it's their topsy-turvy way of going for the usual open source "it's really meant to be a multi-player game" thing - except that normally that's done by having no AI or a useful one, not one which beats the shit out of you |
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17:09.50 | Leeds | morning ar |
17:09.55 | rhowe | s/they/the AI/ |
17:10.12 | rhowe | I like the idea of "Fewer popups" too |
17:10.38 | Leeds | yes, it had too many |
17:10.54 | rhowe | And it's GTK2. mmm |
17:11.15 | rhowe | ooh, and ALSA |
17:11.18 | Leeds | the two problems I've had with it in the past were not letting me just hit return to end a turn, and tickling a bug in the graphics driver which reliably kills the x server... just a minor issue |
17:11.55 | rhowe | heh |
17:12.13 | rhowe | I've never had it kill the X server, but then again I just use Debian sid's X, not X.org or anything fancy |
17:12.28 | rhowe | Enter usually works for me when it comes to ending a turn |
17:12.36 | Leeds | oh, I can turn off a render option to make it reliable |
17:12.39 | murb | Leeds: toolate. |
17:12.56 | rhowe | I wonder if they have an 'undo' feature to let you say "oops, I didn't mean to move there" |
17:13.01 | murb | welcome to the land of the disenfranised |
17:13.12 | Leeds | murb: really? |
17:13.13 | rhowe | heh, not sure I'm even on the electoral roll |
17:13.21 | rhowe | If I am, it won't be in Catford, that's for sure |
17:13.33 | Leeds | the election is Thursday, right? |
17:13.50 | rhowe | The day you go to HK, yes |
17:13.55 | murb | a thurday yes. |
17:13.55 | rhowe | 5th |
17:14.02 | rhowe | 5/5, even |
17:14.11 | murb | Leeds: i got a thing about my posal vote for eu elections nought about national ones :( |
17:14.17 | Leeds | well, if I'm on a 2230 flight, I might just be able to make the poll :-) |
17:14.18 | Leeds | rhowe: 5/5/5 |
17:14.44 | rhowe | Leeds: Indeed |
17:14.49 | murb | and i posted my forms easily in time for the deadline, seems they put them in apile and didn't open them until safly after the line. |
17:15.20 | murb | I thought the tories increased the voting from outside the uk from 5 to 20 years because they thought it would help them more? |
17:15.35 | rhowe | hm, Nildram need to send their engineers on spelling courses |
17:15.55 | murb | Pipex. |
17:16.02 | rhowe | "Due to the BT outage we suffered over the weekend which knocked out 8 of our LTS's, our central pipes are still out of balance. [...] in order to eleviate this we urgently need to remove some users from some of our LNS's" |
17:16.14 | rhowe | murb: ah, yes, Pipex |
17:16.23 | Leeds | "The deadline for applying to vote by post in the May 2005 elections is 26 April. " |
17:16.24 | rhowe | murb: http://www.siksai.co.uk/gallery/xianlu |
17:16.39 | murb | Leeds: oh i guess it is different for over seas voters then. |
17:16.49 | Leeds | aboutmyvote.co.uk is a rather good site about voting |
17:16.49 | rhowe | murb: My wireless DSL router and AP is almost ready to go. I just need to get PPPoA working with the Bewan card |
17:16.50 | murb | Leeds: if i'm still on the uk role maybe i could apply for a posal vote as well! |
17:16.59 | murb | Leeds: does it have auctions? |
17:17.16 | Leeds | up to and including giving you a custom pdf of the postal vote application form pre-printed with the address of the local office |
17:17.29 | murb | Leeds: neat! |
17:17.39 | Leeds | murb: electoral commission - no auctions! :-) |
17:17.48 | rhowe | There's some funky stuff for Apache to do with online PDF generation, isn't there? Avalon or something? |
17:18.02 | murb | I should email the high wycombe electoral officer again and ask if i can register for a uk postal vote. |
17:18.03 | Leeds | I suspect it's static, just served dynamically... |
17:18.09 | murb | even though i registered outside the uk. |
17:18.09 | rhowe | ISTR someone on the Gllug list mentioning it |
17:18.29 | murb | if that registration isn't in time why shouldn't i still vote? |
17:18.40 | murb | I dunno if i'll even get poll card, when do they send them? |
17:18.52 | Leeds | murb: you can have the voting card sent anywhere, to aid in fraud - as long as you're on the roll in the UK you should be able to get a card and send it in |
17:18.53 | murb | (I can't be in the uk that thursday though 'cos i have school) |
17:19.25 | murb | Leeds: i'm wondering if they'll have removed me from one roll and not added me to the overseas one yet.. |
17:19.27 | Leeds | "If you would like to change any existing postal vote details, the deadline is 19 April." |
17:19.35 | Leeds | how quick can you be? :-) |
17:19.49 | murb | Leeds: Well i applied for it already. |
17:19.55 | murb | Leeds: how quick can they be? |
17:20.13 | murb | since they took 2 weeks to proccess the eu part of my form. |
17:20.45 | murb | maybe they don't send acks for the other sections, just the eu bit, but that doesn't seem to be plausable. |
17:20.57 | murb | in 7 days i can register to vote in local elections here. |
17:49.25 | Leeds | fsck on a mounted but readonly filesystem - dumb or not? |
17:49.36 | wethrin | Not overly |
17:50.07 | Leeds | hmm... |
17:50.16 | Leeds | fuck it |
17:50.38 | wethrin | No. That's generally not a good idea to do to filesystems |
17:50.49 | Leeds | well... fsck it then |
17:50.56 | wethrin | Yes |
17:50.57 | wethrin | :) |
17:51.11 | Leeds | badblocks it first |
17:51.18 | wethrin | mm |
17:52.36 | Leeds | by the way, has anyone seen or heard from cope since I kicked him about a month ago? |
17:54.04 | wethrin | Hm. I saw him about 3 weeks back |
17:56.02 | Leeds | good |
17:59.05 | wethrin | He's most likely busy being a family man |
17:59.33 | Leeds | sure |
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18:32.44 | Leeds | FUCKING FUCKING SHITTY ARSING QMAIL CRAP! |
18:33.06 | Leeds | HOW THE FUCK DO I KILL THE BASTARD? |
18:33.21 | Leeds | it's like a fucking hydra - you kill 6 or 7 of the processes and they just restart |
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18:34.20 | Leeds | ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
18:34.30 | ar | isn't there stuff under /service ? |
18:34.48 | Leeds | don't know, don't care, just want to kill the fucker |
18:35.11 | Leeds | it has no place on unix - it's a piece of absolute crap |
18:35.13 | ar | there is a process that checks its running and restarts - try /servive or /var/service |
18:35.21 | Leeds | killed them - they restart! |
18:35.42 | stephen | Leeds: tried something along the lines of http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/11097 ? |
18:36.31 | Leeds | yes, of course I have |
18:36.44 | stephen | just checking :) |
18:37.04 | Leeds | yeah, thanks :-) |
18:38.07 | ar | while true; do pkill -9 qmail; done; :))) |
18:38.50 | ar | do you have a /service directory btw? |
18:38.56 | Leeds | that's the fucking problem - it doesn't have a process called qmail (as a sensible unix system would) - it has lots of random processes restarting each other |
18:38.59 | Leeds | yes, I have /service |
18:39.29 | ar | svscan monitors that directory for stuff to start |
18:39.53 | Leeds | I've tried to kill scascan |
18:39.54 | ar | i'm not sure of the 'correct' way to stop it, but rm /service/qmail is probably a good start |
18:39.56 | Leeds | svscan |
18:40.11 | Leeds | I just want to shut the fucker down! |
18:41.29 | Leeds | I really hate fighting for control of my own machine... that's how malware behaves |
18:42.34 | Leeds | thanks anyway |
18:42.36 | ar | you need to kill off svscan first, i'd remove the binary and start the killing |
18:43.37 | ar | http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/svscan.html <--- apparently its designed to run forever. |
18:44.58 | Leeds | some stupid fucker put the fucking piece of shit into inittab! |
18:44.58 | ar | what was it? |
18:45.03 | ar | lol |
18:45.06 | stephen | heh |
18:45.21 | Leeds | you do *not* put individual servers into inittab! |
18:45.39 | ar | was qmail there or the svscan? |
18:46.05 | Leeds | it's gone |
18:46.07 | Leeds | svscan |
18:51.06 | ar | are you going to be replacing qmail then? |
18:51.18 | Leeds | that's a complex question |
18:51.34 | Leeds | the short answer is yes... the longer answer is... longer |
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18:59.22 | highbury | hmm most curious |
18:59.50 | highbury | I stopped xdm/kdm auto starting, rebooted started manually and now my keyboard is working again |
19:00.15 | highbury | however if I let it autostart my keyboard doesn't work |
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19:05.48 | highbury | damned pretender! |
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20:20.24 | JAV | good evening |
20:20.42 | JAV | http://dev.gentoo.org/~lewk/img/vim.gif |
20:27.36 | ar | why are html/xml comments asymmetric? |
21:03.40 | rhowe | heh whoops |
21:03.52 | rhowe | me just washed his pedometer |
21:04.38 | Leeds | oopsie |
21:04.49 | rhowe | It came out measuring 53000 steps :P |
21:04.54 | rhowe | (yes, it still works!) |
21:05.01 | Leeds | lol |
21:05.02 | rhowe | At least, after draining it |
21:05.17 | rhowe | I didn't convert it to km, but that's easily done.. |
21:05.33 | rhowe | 32km, roughly, had I walked it :) |
21:05.53 | Leeds | it's amazing how far clothes can go without moving :-) |
21:05.59 | rhowe | I even took apart the weight and saw how the mechanism's put together |
21:06.42 | rhowe | Hm, nope |
21:08.03 | rhowe | I wonder what the average stride of a washing machine is :) |
21:10.14 | Leeds | heh |
21:11.23 | rhowe | The seller of that HD had another one with 2 days left, so I asked if I bid and won on that one, could he combine them without putting the postage up |
21:11.34 | rhowe | He said "I just weighed them and they weigh two pack of Tesco icing and one pack of Rowntree's jelly orange flavour in French 1.135kg, so yes it's in the same postage category. If you hit buy it now I'll even throw in the Jelly for free" |
21:11.57 | rhowe | However, buy it now is a fiver, and I can probably get it for 99p if I wait 22 hours |
21:12.10 | rhowe | (plus 4 quid delivery) |
21:12.19 | rhowe | I wonder if he'll still combine the two :) |
21:12.32 | Leeds | don't forget the jelly |
21:12.46 | rhowe | Well yes |
21:13.36 | rhowe | Anyway, it's 8.6G of storage and some jelly for a tenner, |
21:15.28 | rhowe | argh silly Tesco |
21:15.38 | rhowe | I know the postcode on my clubcard doesn't match the postcode I'm at now |
21:15.48 | rhowe | Hell, it's probably registered to a Manchester one |
21:16.04 | rhowe | heh yep, M13 |
21:18.23 | rhowe | Hm, the jelly is only worth 38p |
21:20.23 | rhowe | On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 07:50:04PM +0100, Barrie Williams wrote: |
21:20.23 | rhowe | > SO IF YOU HIT THE BUY NOW I'LL DO ONE POSTAGE I'LL EVEN THROW IN THE |
21:20.23 | rhowe | > JELLY.... |
21:20.23 | rhowe | Well, that depends on the kind of jelly. Is it the ready to eat or the |
21:20.23 | rhowe | quick set? |
21:20.45 | rhowe | (the quick set is worth 24p more!) |
21:22.33 | Leeds | the buy now is a fiver? |
21:22.37 | rhowe | yeah |
21:22.41 | rhowe | A whole 4 quid more |
21:22.44 | Leeds | the shipping is 4 quid? |
21:22.46 | rhowe | Yes |
21:22.51 | rhowe | So it doubles the cost, almost |
21:23.16 | Leeds | buy it now + no postage = £5 |
21:23.22 | Leeds | bid + postage = £5 |
21:23.39 | rhowe | Well, 2 drives if I hold out until the end of the auction and he combines them = 2+4 = 6 quid. 1 drive at 1 quid plus 1 at 5 plus 4 quid postage plus free jelly = 10 quid |
21:23.54 | Leeds | I'd say fuck it and do it now |
21:24.10 | rhowe | But it's a 66% price hike (ignoring the jelly for now) |
21:24.15 | rhowe | The other item ends in 20 hours |
21:25.15 | rhowe | grr, wireless just dropped |
21:25.22 | Leeds | it's 4 quid... |
21:25.28 | rhowe | It's 66% |
21:25.37 | rhowe | It's 3 pints! |
21:25.45 | rhowe | (I'm in Manchester this weekend) |
21:26.37 | rhowe | 4 quid is 20mins work for me! |
21:26.57 | rhowe | More, after tax and rent |
21:27.01 | Leeds | now that's service... I bought a general laptop PSU a while back - replacable tips, mains, car and plane plugs at the other end - from PC World for not very much... |
21:27.35 | rhowe | The one you had trouble finding a replacement tip for? |
21:27.41 | Leeds | I bent the Apple plug, their UK supplier (Expansys) doesn't stock spares, just extras for things like phones and PDAs |
21:27.41 | rhowe | And which you didn't want to pay silly shipping costs from the US for? |
21:27.42 | Leeds | right |
21:27.58 | Leeds | they sell them for $10 but there's $40 shipping |
21:28.03 | Leeds | so I mailed them and asked for help... |
21:28.17 | Leeds | got a reply back a few hours later: " Please provide your shipping address and we will go ahead and send you a replacement tip 15." |
21:28.34 | rhowe | A member of staff is flying to London to give you a replacement? |
21:28.46 | Leeds | I suspect they'll rely on the USPS |
21:30.10 | Leeds | now all I need is to wrangle an upper class seat on Virgin and I should have power to last the journey :-) |
21:30.58 | rhowe | heh. BA's version of premium economy has power outlets apparently. I would suspect Virgin's might too |
21:31.41 | rhowe | OK, I still need to get a slot 1 CPU for this Dell box |
21:32.04 | Leeds | I don't have such a thing |
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21:37.15 | rhowe | ebay has many for next to nothing |
21:37.27 | rhowe | 600MHz P3 (assuming the box'll cope with it) is about 10-15 quid |
21:37.54 | Leeds | I had a dual P3-550 machine, but I gave it to a friend |
21:43.43 | rhowe | This is a P2 266 w/128M RAM |
21:43.54 | rhowe | She got it for free and doesn't want to spend more than 30 quid on it |
21:44.24 | rhowe | I figure 5-10 quid on doubling the CPU speed, plus perhaps a bit more RAM and she'll be able to use it at least |
21:44.55 | rhowe | Not sticking a copy of Linux on there - I've told her she should find someone willing to install a copy of Win2k onto it |
21:45.07 | rhowe | (that someone not being me) |
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