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| 07:18.21 | Leeds | halloooo? |
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| 07:26.25 | morsing_ | morning |
| 07:30.33 | Leeds | afternoon |
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| 07:51.52 | Leeds | George`Ill: are you getting better then? |
| 07:52.46 | Leeds | anyone know, offhand, how to make a browser display an HTML table with horizonal scrolling rather than lots of wrapping? |
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| 09:26.14 | rhowe | Leeds: AFAIK, you just need to set a fixed width |
| 09:26.34 | rhowe | Leeds: http://w3c.org/Style to be sure though |
| 09:35.24 | Leeds | rhowe: yeah, I found that... I don't think it's a great thing to do, but this is a webification of a spreadsheet and it gets very cramped if it wraps |
| 09:36.51 | rhowe | Leeds: It's perfectly acceptable to do, really |
| 09:37.06 | rhowe | Leeds: I think you can also specify that the containing box for the table itself has a scrollbar |
| 09:37.10 | rhowe | Leeds: That may work better |
| 09:38.12 | Leeds | indeed |
| 09:38.17 | rhowe | Leeds: If you're going to be doing anything with CSS, I reccommend "Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide" by ORA |
| 09:38.22 | Leeds | anyway, I'm about to go offline... |
| 09:38.31 | rhowe | Leeds: Also, I reccommend going to China if you're going to be wanting any dead tree books |
| 09:38.33 | Leeds | I should look into that sort of thing - still got the Sun safari account :-) |
| 09:38.35 | rhowe | Leeds: Called Sarah yet? |
| 09:38.39 | Leeds | nope |
| 09:38.44 | Leeds | will call her when I get in this evening |
| 09:38.45 | rhowe | Leeds: So give her a bell :P |
| 09:39.12 | rhowe | Leeds: She's getting anxious :) |
| 09:39.29 | rhowe | Leeds: An SMS at least... |
| 09:39.33 | Leeds | I will call this evening, even though it's the sabbath and my hosts might not want me to call |
| 09:39.37 | Leeds | she could always call me :-) |
| 09:39.44 | rhowe | Leeds: Oh, and your SMS yesterday confused me - it said it came from me :) |
| 09:39.48 | Leeds | anyway - this is a long weekend - loads of time to get in touch |
| 09:39.59 | Leeds | ah, yes... I assumed you'd recognise the number :-) |
| 09:40.51 | rhowe | Leeds: She might not be free all weekend though - busy woman |
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| 09:41.35 | Leeds | bah - she can make some time for me |
| 09:41.47 | Leeds | anyway, it looks like I may well be here for the foreseeable future... |
| 09:42.56 | Leeds | got a formal(ish) offer and so on... |
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| 09:56.41 | wethrin | George`Ill: Coursework definitely sucks (from last night) |
| 09:56.45 | wethrin | Morning |
| 10:06.19 | irvined | does anybody haev a good document (Which i can put to my manager) on why we should enforce a limit on the size of email people are allowed to send, things get unreliable over a meg, because we have a slow, flakey adsl connection, which isnt in itself a good reason for not sending big emails, but in my opinion a meg is as big as it should get before its ftp'd etc. |
| 10:06.46 | wethrin | You'll never win over managers |
| 10:06.49 | wethrin | Managers are hateful |
| 10:08.26 | irvined | yeah i know, but its sales people i need to bash, my manager agrees in principle. |
| 10:08.38 | wethrin | They're even more hateful |
| 10:08.46 | irvined | i was hoping the rfc would say that smtp supports a maximum transfer size of X but it doesnt :( |
| 10:09.22 | wethrin | I thought SMTP does have a transfer limit; ESMTP doesn't |
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| 10:20.48 | wethrin | It's a Leeds! |
| 10:20.53 | wethrin | again :) |
| 10:21.25 | Leeds | now at home, going to dinner in an hour or so... should really call Sarah, I supposed :-) |
| 10:21.51 | wethrin | probably, if you're supposed to be meeting her |
| 10:24.44 | Leeds | yup |
| 10:25.03 | wethrin | m |
| 10:29.34 | Leeds | okay, meeting her tomorrow |
| 10:29.41 | wethrin | yay? |
| 10:29.46 | Leeds | yaay |
| 10:29.53 | Leeds | well, yay |
| 10:30.03 | wethrin | Leeds: Do you know, by any chance, where I could get memory for a Netra T1 cheaply from? |
| 10:30.05 | Leeds | it's not double-a exciting :-) |
| 10:30.08 | wethrin | Okay |
| 10:30.15 | Leeds | oh for fuck's sake! |
| 10:30.24 | Leeds | I'm not a Sun guru! :-) |
| 10:33.16 | Leeds | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/13/sun_solaris10_delays/ |
| 10:33.30 | Leeds | I don't even know what a Netra T1 is for sure |
| 10:37.51 | wethrin | 1U rackmount Sparc box |
| 10:37.53 | wethrin | with SCSI |
| 10:38.06 | wethrin | Well, you may have a work contact who knows :) |
| 11:09.45 | mozrat | hey - in a bash script I'd like to extract the uid number of a user from the string 'uid=501(sm)' |
| 11:11.04 | Leeds | two lines - first remove *= then (* |
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| 11:11.51 | mozrat | bertie:~/bin sm$ id sm | awk '{print $1}' | grep '[0-9]*' | tr '=' ' ' | tr '(' ' ' | awk '{print $2}' |
| 11:11.55 | mozrat | 501 |
| 11:12.17 | mozrat | is that sane enough? |
| 11:13.10 | rhowe | irvined: Find something that shows how many people are still using dialup links |
| 11:14.08 | rhowe | irvined: Then show them how long it takes to transfer said large amounts of data over a flaky modem link (use a 33.6k modem as a benchmark) |
| 11:14.20 | mozrat | Hmm, that grep bit is unnecessary |
| 11:26.33 | Leeds | rhowe: so what does Sarah look like anyway? :-) |
| 11:48.54 | wethrin | you too! |
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| 12:02.50 | rhowe | Leeds: http://www.siksai.co.uk/gallery/ |
| 12:02.56 | rhowe | Leeds: There's many a photo there |
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| 14:56.40 | wethrin | What did the special gift eat? |
| 14:56.48 | Leeds | well... :-) |
| 14:57.06 | Leeds | something very very funny did happy at dinner |
| 14:57.13 | wethrin | do tell |
| 14:58.53 | Leeds | so I'm eating with cousins (parent-age, 'mum and dad') and cousins (about me-age - a little older) and a random stranger (friend-of-cousin-of-brother-of-someone) who is studying here for a while from Canada - there was another couple expected but they were "stuck in China" |
| 14:59.31 | Leeds | old folks, being old, headed off to bed straight after dinner, so the 4 of us were sitting chatting |
| 15:00.24 | Leeds | we were talking about something strange and foreign, and the random stranger started singing the Stonecutters' song from the Simpsons: "We keep the metric system down..." |
| 15:00.46 | Leeds | Joe (cousin, a couple of years older than me) and I started singing along and laughing |
| 15:01.25 | Leeds | random stranger looked at us a bit suprised and said something along the lines of "I didn't expect people of your generation to get a joke like that - I thought it was only my generation who'd get it" |
| 15:01.53 | Leeds | possibly not quite as offensive :-) |
| 15:02.15 | Leeds | the point was that this was a 23-year-old describing us as a different generation... the cheek of it! |
| 15:03.16 | wethrin | Hehe. |
| 15:03.26 | wethrin | You're Old, Leeds |
| 15:03.45 | Leeds | yeah, yeah... I'm still under 30 and not a father - that makes me young |
| 15:03.52 | Leeds | Joe is 30 and a father... |
| 15:04.41 | wethrin | ah |
| 15:04.53 | Leeds | anyway - partly to prove him wrong - the special gift I came back with was that Joe and I popped online, found that Sith was showing here on Wednesday, and booked tickets :-) |
| 15:05.57 | wethrin | Bastard! :) |
| 15:06.49 | Leeds | that is, of course, Wednesday lunchtime UK time :-) |
| 15:09.45 | wethrin | Yes. You suck. We know! |
| 15:10.27 | Leeds | oh, and it's a long weekend here this weekend - woo - 3 days off work :-) |
| 15:14.16 | wethrin | Well, we have that in 2 weeks time |
| 15:15.31 | Leeds | I'll be heading Sri Lanka-wards at about that point |
| 15:15.43 | wethrin | Have I mentioned that you suck yet? |
| 15:15.57 | Leeds | nope, don't think so |
| 15:16.36 | wethrin | Okay. You suck :) |
| 15:17.46 | Leeds | what time is it there? |
| 15:18.30 | wethrin | 16:18 |
| 15:19.05 | Leeds | ah! I thought it was later |
| 15:20.29 | wethrin | It's 16:20 now |
| 15:20.42 | Leeds | oh, so it is later - thanks |
| 15:20.51 | wethrin | any time |
| 15:21.03 | Leeds | any time later... |
| 15:21.06 | mozrat | n00b question |
| 15:21.33 | mozrat | can find exclude certain directorie? |
| 15:21.59 | mozrat | director˙˙s |
| 15:22.06 | mozrat | hmmm, keyboard is b0rk3d |
| 15:22.07 | mozrat | brb |
| 15:22.18 | mozrat | k |
| 15:22.30 | mozrat | can the find command exclude certain directories? |
| 15:24.28 | Leeds | dunno - I'd probably pump the results through grep |
| 15:25.33 | mozrat | looks like prune does something |
| 15:25.48 | highbury | mozrat use -prune |
| 15:26.02 | mozrat | Leeds , I'm searching so I can do something to the file with -exec |
| 15:26.09 | Leeds | ah |
| 15:32.43 | wethrin | find -not -name ...... |
| 15:33.47 | highbury | find . -path 'exclude-path' -prune -o -exec do-something-on {} \; |
| 15:34.12 | highbury | its trickier if you haven't got gnu-find |
| 15:38.31 | Leeds | and now discussing vs. blogs |
| 15:39.14 | itsbruce | Bah. Blogs. |
| 15:43.28 | mozrat | thanks guys |
| 15:44.38 | rhowe | Damn crappy database designers. Damn them all to hell |
| 15:44.58 | rhowe | Bloody freeform text field holding data which needs to be used in a relationship. I currently have an 8 line query looking for all the permutations of a term that people have used |
| 15:45.30 | Leeds | argh |
| 15:57.21 | rhowe | ugh, mind's gone blank |
| 15:58.03 | rhowe | I want to perform the inverse of an intersection on two data sets in SQL.. |
| 15:58.47 | rhowe | I have a subset of a table (well, a single column) and I want to get a list of everything that's not in that subset |
| 15:58.55 | rhowe | My set theory's failing me :) |
| 16:00.13 | rhowe | Ah, the complement |
| 16:00.38 | Leeds | nand |
| 16:00.53 | rhowe | wikipedia saves the day |
| 16:01.50 | Leeds | rhowe: when it comes to it, I think it may be easier for her to recognise me in TST than the other way around |
| 16:04.21 | rhowe | Leeds: hehe, I don't think it'll be a problem - TST doesn't get that crowded anyway. Are you meeting on the waterfront, near where the star ferry pier is? |
| 16:04.31 | Leeds | yeah, at the clock tower |
| 16:04.41 | rhowe | Leeds: If so, keep her clear of the leerers there - there seemed to be many last time we were there |
| 16:04.50 | Leeds | okay... |
| 16:04.59 | Leeds | I was leering at the PSP girls last week :-) |
| 16:05.03 | rhowe | heh |
| 16:05.20 | Leeds | skimpy dresses and cool handheld tech... |
| 16:05.53 | wethrin | were you ogling the dresses or the tech? |
| 16:06.00 | Leeds | wethrin: yes |
| 16:06.22 | wethrin | bah |
| 16:06.27 | Leeds | I did do some fondling |
| 16:21.52 | Leeds | and on that note... sleeptime |
| 16:22.44 | Leeds | g'night |
| 16:24.57 | Cope | what is psp? |
| 16:30.03 | Cope | play station portable? |
| 16:30.38 | Cope | mmm friday night... still at work |
| 16:31.42 | wethrin | What a fun evening :) |
| 16:32.14 | Cope | trying to fix some load-balancing |
| 16:34.37 | rhowe | mm, friday night and time to join everyone else in the pub (they left the office half an hour ago - slackers) |
| 16:34.56 | Cope | :-( |
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| 19:12.53 | [gt] | any one |
| 19:14.06 | wethrin | no one |
| 19:14.31 | BobtAvenger | hey |
| 19:14.59 | [gt] | oracle sql or mysql |
| 19:15.05 | [gt] | what u guys prefer |
| 19:15.07 | [gt] | and why |
| 19:15.30 | BobtAvenger | mysql cos i neva used oracle |
| 19:16.31 | wethrin | Depends on the task. Oracle is big and heavy and expensive |
| 19:16.40 | wethrin | And if you need to support a huge commercial database, use it |
| 19:16.45 | wethrin | mysql for smaller tasks |
| 19:17.15 | [gt] | what about oracle on linux |
| 19:17.29 | wethrin | what abuot it? |
| 19:18.15 | [gt] | is it better to have oracle on linux |
| 19:19.37 | wethrin | than? |
| 19:26.03 | Cope | evening |
| 19:26.06 | [gt] | mysql |
| 19:26.27 | Cope | [gt]: for what purpose? How big is the database? What will it be doing? |
| 19:26.44 | Cope | [gt]: how much money do you have? What's the hardware like? |
| 19:26.55 | [gt] | for large database systems |
| 19:27.02 | [gt] | for data ware housing |
| 19:27.09 | wethrin | Orrible, then |
| 19:27.13 | wethrin | Run it under Solaris |
| 19:27.24 | Cope | Oracle / Solaris / VCS |
| 19:27.28 | Cope | HA Cluster |
| 19:27.31 | wethrin | VCS? |
| 19:27.38 | Cope | Veritas Clustering Services |
| 19:27.42 | [gt] | my sql cannot do any magic there |
| 19:27.54 | wethrin | ahh |
| 19:31.01 | wethrin | bye! |
| 19:31.04 | Cope | tara |
| 19:31.47 | George`Ill | yoyo Cope |
| 19:32.01 | Cope | hello George`Ill |
| 19:32.07 | Cope | are you slightly better? |
| 19:32.11 | George`Ill | Cope: slightly |
| 19:32.21 | Cope | hoorah! |
| 19:32.35 | George`Ill | got coursework to do |
| 19:32.38 | George`Ill | but now... I'm hungry |
| 19:32.42 | George`Ill | so I'm going to go food hunting |
| 19:32.46 | Cope | ah! |
| 20:34.59 | [gt] | hey i want write to ntfs |
| 20:35.09 | [gt] | is it good |
| 20:43.44 | Cope | [gt]: if you're on windows |
| 20:44.45 | Cope | ibot ntfs |
| 20:44.46 | ibot | hmm... ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ has patches against 2.4.20 of the backport of the 2.5.X ntfs [ntfs-tng] allowing overwrite without changing filesize. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to acces the partition as non-root. See also ... |
| 20:45.14 | Cope | !topicsmite George`Ill |
| 20:45.21 | Cope | hrm |
| 21:01.46 | Cope | ibot seen nasrat |
| 21:01.47 | ibot | nasrat <~paul@66.98.134.43> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 161d 4h 50m 42s ago, saying: 'well I'm ill today'. |
| 21:01.56 | Cope | cor |
| 21:02.21 | Cope | i've seen nasrat much more recently than you, ibot |
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| 21:09.26 | George`Ill | it's fun playing shit music. |
| 21:18.10 | Cope | lol |
| 21:18.29 | Cope | (not the band - the atcual radio station) |
| 21:18.35 | Cope | evening AndrewBlack |