| 00:25.58 | highbury | Just why is it, that the machine holding the latest version of a report I'm late delivering always decides to crash or repair itself just when its most inconvenient [rhetorical] |
| 00:42.23 | Leeds | highbury: the great god Sod |
| 00:45.39 | highbury | :) |
| 00:47.07 | highbury | its 71% thru its disk check, but seems to be doing 4% per hour, which doesn't give me much time to get my report finished, I'm guessing I'm going to have to interrupt it :-/ |
| 00:49.03 | Leeds | :-( |
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| 01:15.59 | highbury | welcome back ibot |
| 01:29.36 | [gt] | highbury |
| 01:44.17 | highbury | yes [gt] ? |
| 01:47.11 | [gt] | you are not going to work tommorow |
| 01:47.35 | highbury | what's work? :) |
| 01:47.39 | [gt] | Mon May 16 02:50:47 BST 2005 |
| 01:47.42 | [gt] | job |
| 01:48.15 | [gt] | are you watching movie |
| 01:48.17 | highbury | I have a report I have to finish, I don't have to go into my client till tuesday |
| 01:48.25 | [gt] | ok |
| 01:48.36 | [gt] | where do you work |
| 01:48.49 | highbury | no I'm sort of watching paint dry, i.e my laptop going thru a Windows disk check |
| 01:50.14 | highbury | I'm a self-employed Unix Admin and Security consultant, currently doing a security audit of some Unix boxes |
| 01:50.23 | [gt] | ok |
| 01:51.10 | highbury | and you? |
| 01:52.34 | [gt] | i am a international student |
| 01:52.44 | [gt] | doing my masters |
| 01:55.01 | highbury | MSc in what? |
| 01:55.56 | [gt] | cyber marketing |
| 01:56.28 | [gt] | but planning to do another masters in a.i |
| 01:57.02 | [gt] | but life in london is very tough |
| 01:57.09 | [gt] | for international students |
| 02:01.53 | [gt] | esp. finding part time jobs |
| 02:15.14 | Leeds | life in London isn't so easy for most people |
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| 02:46.14 | highbury | well, my laptops finally back working, I think I've lost some stuff off my external USB hard-drive |
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| 05:54.37 | highbury | morning |
| 07:07.39 | Cope | morning highbury |
| 07:07.44 | mozrat | moin |
| 07:07.49 | Cope | hello mozrat |
| 07:07.54 | mozrat | hi cope |
| 07:49.21 | highbury | cope: probably |
| 07:49.33 | Cope | seems likely |
| 07:49.42 | Cope | and in practice it looks like it dows |
| 07:49.48 | Cope | but I can't see it documented anywhere |
| 07:49.57 | Cope | good morning, btw :) |
| 07:50.18 | mozrat | Highbury late night last night? |
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| 08:29.04 | morsing | morning |
| 08:29.10 | morsing | ibot wake wethrin |
| 08:29.11 | ibot | wethrin: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 08:29.13 | mozrat | heyho morsing |
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| 08:35.52 | morsing | hi mozrat. Mmm... Stockholm |
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| 08:53.39 | mozrat | hello [gt] |
| 08:54.33 | [gt] | hey mozrat |
| 08:54.39 | [gt] | how is ur day going on |
| 08:56.08 | mozrat | Not so bad |
| 08:57.10 | [gt] | where you stay in london |
| 08:58.12 | mozrat | I live out in East London/Essex area |
| 08:58.15 | mozrat | Rainham |
| 08:58.24 | [gt] | ok |
| 08:58.42 | mozrat | yourself? |
| 08:58.51 | [gt] | in north london |
| 08:59.00 | [gt] | hendon cenral |
| 09:00.20 | [gt] | where do you work |
| 09:00.31 | mozrat | Paddington |
| 09:00.37 | [gt] | are you in the office right now |
| 09:00.40 | mozrat | on Westbourne Terrace near the station |
| 09:00.41 | mozrat | yeah |
| 09:00.49 | [gt] | what is the role |
| 09:01.17 | mozrat | Normally cheese |
| 09:01.21 | mozrat | sometimes ham |
| 09:02.14 | mozrat | ... |
| 09:02.26 | mozrat | (I've lost [gt] on that one :D ) |
| 09:02.39 | mozrat | the role is IT projects and support |
| 09:02.53 | [gt] | ok |
| 09:04.26 | [gt] | what projects you deal with |
| 09:04.36 | [gt] | and what support you offer |
| 09:05.28 | mozrat | My company works for advertising agencies that have lots of offices in different countries on different mail systems, directories and WAN standards |
| 09:05.42 | mozrat | so we go around implementing a common standard - normally Notes and AD |
| 09:05.43 | mozrat | and Cisco |
| 09:05.51 | [gt] | ok |
| 09:05.53 | mozrat | and we do a lot of SOX compliance as well |
| 09:06.02 | [gt] | thats cool |
| 09:06.12 | [gt] | coll |
| 09:06.14 | [gt] | cool |
| 09:07.02 | [gt] | what do you think about linux impact on U.K |
| 09:07.26 | [gt] | is it going to when the race against software patents |
| 09:07.39 | [gt] | is it going to win the race against software patents |
| 09:08.03 | mozrat | Don't know - Linux is picking up in the companies I work with |
| 09:08.34 | mozrat | but swpat is going to be a big problem going forward |
| 09:08.36 | mozrat | brb |
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| 09:19.31 | mozrat | Morning SlayerXP, unlucky highbury |
| 09:20.08 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 09:20.16 | SlayerXP | this morning I am mostly being unemployed |
| 09:20.49 | mozrat | Is this a new state of affairs? |
| 09:24.42 | SlayerXP | as of friday |
| 09:25.00 | mozrat | Oh! your call or theirs? |
| 09:25.06 | SlayerXP | mine |
| 09:26.23 | mozrat | Not so bad then |
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| 09:37.21 | mozrat | SlayerXP: did you move to .no yet? |
| 09:40.12 | SlayerXP | mozrat: 4-6 weeks |
| 09:43.44 | morsing | Mmm... Two Sheds |
| 09:45.16 | Cope | make yourself scarce! |
| 09:45.44 | morsing | What? |
| 09:46.19 | Cope | Monty Python |
| 09:46.27 | Cope | Arthur 'Two Sheds' Jackson |
| 09:48.41 | morsing | I know :-) I helped a friend move on Friday and his new garden has two identical sheds :-D He's now known as "Two Sheds"! |
| 09:49.23 | Cope | lol |
| 09:50.46 | itsbruce | Point him toward alt.rec.sheds, if he isn't already on it |
| 09:51.40 | morsing | :-) Will do |
| 10:11.49 | Leeds | bah... .no? that's almost local! |
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| 10:29.01 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 10:29.19 | Leeds | morsing! |
| 10:29.28 | morsing | Does anyone here have any exprience setting medium size wireless networks up? |
| 10:29.55 | morsing | I need to set it up for a school and will be buying three ZyAIR G-3000s for the job |
| 10:30.51 | Leeds | not me, sorrt |
| 10:31.58 | Leeds | and sorry too |
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| 10:36.12 | Leeds | [gt]: I'm good, thanks... you? |
| 10:37.39 | [gt] | yah i am fine |
| 10:37.52 | [gt] | looking to meet you guys on a meet |
| 10:40.00 | Leeds | that might not work for me for quite a while :-) |
| 10:43.01 | [gt] | ok |
| 10:50.57 | Leeds | Cope: I recommend a Kit Kat |
| 10:51.09 | Cope | mmm kitkat |
| 10:51.16 | Cope | Leeds: have you met Sarah? |
| 10:51.28 | Leeds | Cope: indeed I have, albeit briefly |
| 10:51.46 | Cope | Leeds: you failed to enforce spending time with you on her? |
| 10:51.59 | Leeds | yes, I failed... she distracted me with egg tarts |
| 10:52.06 | Cope | aha |
| 10:52.08 | Leeds | you know I'm always a sucker for a tart |
| 10:54.31 | rhowe | hm, does anyone know of any AV companies who provide a web upload form where you can submit a file for virus scan? |
| 10:55.38 | SlayerXP | rhowe: clamav do |
| 10:56.04 | rhowe | Lovely |
| 10:56.17 | rhowe | Although this thing got past clamav, so it'll be interesting to see what they say :) |
| 10:57.51 | SlayerXP | that's happened once to me |
| 10:58.03 | SlayerXP | my sample was added less than 4 hours later |
| 10:58.17 | SlayerXP | run "strings" on it |
| 11:00.46 | rhowe | hm, well their website detects it as Mytob.BR |
| 11:00.58 | rhowe | But reading Symantec's description of Mytob.BR, it doesn't match |
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| 11:22.10 | SlayerXP | itsbruce: 12 |
| 11:23.38 | itsbruce | I settled for pointing out that his employers are liable for anything he says about this. If he can't work out the rest, he deserves everything that lands on him |
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| 12:16.13 | itsbruce | Heh, somebody's spam generator has a sense of humour. Subject line "contractor teamwork altruist" |
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| 13:04.33 | SlayerXP | what is this 'spam' of which you speak? |
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| 14:06.47 | Cope | hello hurryon |
| 14:07.54 | JAV | hello |
| 14:12.14 | hurryon | ^^ |
| 14:12.24 | hurryon | hi Cope |
| 14:12.45 | hurryon | $.$ |
| 14:13.10 | hurryon | i had lunch and smoked. ^^; |
| 14:13.29 | hurryon | Cope...Do you have lunch? |
| 14:14.54 | Leeds | itsbruce: a full stop, a space, two carets and a semi-colon |
| 14:15.30 | hurryon | ^^ |
| 14:15.31 | highbury | hmmmm, is there such a thing as a speaker combiner? i.e. where I can take the headphone speaker from 4 machines, and play them simultaneously though one set of speakers. |
| 14:16.02 | highbury | hurryon: you'll have to start learning English smileys soon :-) |
| 14:16.34 | hurryon | :-) |
| 14:16.39 | hurryon | thanks. |
| 14:17.43 | hurryon | today weather is cloud. |
| 14:18.03 | hurryon | i don't like it. |
| 14:20.45 | hurryon | oops, it's raining. |
| 14:21.28 | hurryon | London weather is terrible. T.T |
| 14:21.37 | Leeds | ha! |
| 14:21.44 | hurryon | :-) |
| 14:21.59 | Leeds | better than here |
| 14:22.08 | hurryon | why? |
| 14:22.22 | Jango | in london, it feels like it's just about to tip down |
| 14:22.30 | Jango | black clouds are looming |
| 14:24.15 | rhowe | It is doing in SE1, I'm told |
| 14:24.26 | Jango | ah, i'm in E1W |
| 14:24.33 | Jango | i.e. Tower Bridge |
| 14:24.42 | hurryon | Oh! |
| 14:24.46 | Leeds | hot, very hot, but very very humid, rather cloudy, and some very heavy rain this afternoon |
| 14:25.10 | hurryon | Tower Bridge is very beautiful. |
| 14:26.17 | highbury | I just managed to get the washing in, as it started raining |
| 14:26.43 | Jango | very? beautiful? |
| 14:26.47 | hurryon | yes. |
| 14:27.16 | hurryon | :-) |
| 14:27.29 | hurryon | i am a little English. sorry. |
| 14:27.33 | hurryon | :-) |
| 14:28.34 | Leeds | hurryon: you are not a little English. maybe you mean you *know* a little English? |
| 14:28.37 | JAV | http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news_9594.html |
| 14:28.50 | Leeds | well, you're probably not a little english :-) |
| 14:28.53 | Jango | a little english would be a dwarf |
| 14:29.12 | hurryon | ^^ |
| 14:29.33 | hurryon | um...okok. i am a poor English. :-) |
| 14:29.33 | Leeds | JAV: they need to decide if they're making navigation tools or video games :-) |
| 14:29.51 | Leeds | hurryon: you mean you are English and don't have much money? |
| 14:30.17 | hurryon | um... |
| 14:30.19 | hurryon | no. |
| 14:30.27 | hurryon | i mean... |
| 14:30.31 | Leeds | maybe your English is poor? |
| 14:30.39 | hurryon | yes! |
| 14:30.42 | Leeds | :-) |
| 14:30.47 | hurryon | T.T |
| 14:30.55 | Leeds | t.t? |
| 14:30.56 | JAV | Leeds: they should put cars in the image too. A lot of crashes expected :D |
| 14:32.02 | hurryon | T.T means sad and tear. |
| 14:32.09 | Jango | heh |
| 14:32.12 | hurryon | :-) |
| 14:32.16 | Jango | talking of crashes, it's gumball 3000 week |
| 14:32.17 | Jango | :D |
| 14:32.40 | Jango | i must have seen about 7 ferraris and a lambourghini in south london on saturday |
| 14:33.05 | JAV | Jango: last year the got very angry with spanish police. They fined them! |
| 14:33.08 | hurryon | ferrary is car? |
| 14:33.26 | Leeds | hurryon: yes, italian sports car |
| 14:33.55 | hurryon | ^^; |
| 14:34.06 | Jango | it's not supposed to be a race though... |
| 14:35.01 | JAV | yes, but here there's speed limit :D |
| 14:35.22 | Jango | here == uk? |
| 14:35.34 | JAV | here == spain |
| 14:36.32 | hurryon | in room who do you have homepage? i would like to see our face. |
| 14:36.54 | Jango | yea, i think the only country without a speed limit might be germany |
| 14:36.59 | Jango | but correct me if i'm wrong |
| 14:38.13 | gregj | http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,1483969,00.html |
| 14:39.33 | hurryon | ... |
| 14:40.28 | hurryon | 'software gets slower more quickly than hardware gets faster'. (In other words: 'Intel giveth, and Microsoft taketh away.') |
| 14:41.56 | hurryon | um...i am going to study. i come back. ^^; |
| 14:58.41 | Cope | highbury: the output from your headphone socket will not be sufficient to drive speakers. |
| 15:00.34 | SlayerXP | errm, what are headphones if not a pair of speakers? :) |
| 15:02.46 | SlayerXP | ah-hah |
| 15:02.55 | SlayerXP | found a 33Mb zip of various games |
| 15:02.59 | SlayerXP | that'll get me started |
| 15:06.15 | SlayerXP | no need to order me to do that, it comes naturally |
| 15:11.31 | Cope | wtf is a configurator? |
| 15:12.02 | Cope | and why would its output be irrational? |
| 15:13.22 | morsing | Why's my windows task bar twice as high as susual? |
| 15:13.36 | SlayerXP | because you clicked and dragged the top edge |
| 15:13.53 | SlayerXP | hth. |
| 15:16.07 | Cope | i have my taskbar set to disappear |
| 15:16.12 | Cope | and at the top |
| 15:16.22 | Cope | on my nasty windows laptop |
| 15:19.55 | Cope | (actually I only have one ms machine - the evilcom corporate laptop_ |
| 15:22.29 | Cope | hmm, I wonder if there's a cli for iis |
| 15:28.20 | itsbruce | I think there is such a tool. I forget its name. More of a debugging aid than anything, but you can modify IIS settings from it. |
| 15:29.01 | itsbruce | Though, to be fair, it isn't a cli tool but a shell |
| 15:29.49 | Cope | interesting |
| 15:33.10 | itsbruce | There are cli utilities for some significant bits of the Win2k line, now. AD in particular needs them for any serious maintenance/repair. But the documentation isn't readily avaialable in many cases and they're inconsistent etc. |
| 15:33.15 | itsbruce | Keeps consultants in work. |
| 15:42.22 | Cope | :) |
| 15:42.33 | Cope | we're getting loads of new ad setups |
| 15:42.38 | Cope | I really ought to learn about it |
| 15:42.41 | Cope | seems quite interestng |
| 15:46.33 | itsbruce | It's just a particular implementation of kerberos and ldap. Over-complex, unnecessarily fragile, and embraced-and-extended, of course |
| 15:47.08 | Cope | is this more evidence of the unixisation of microsoft? |
| 15:47.42 | itsbruce | But then nobody else is offering a similar one-stop solution. Needs a very good set of in-house skills for a *nix admin to offer the same functionality (and that's ignoring the integrated pki architecture) |
| 15:51.44 | Leeds | bedtime... |
| 15:54.29 | Cope | hometime |
| 16:19.14 | morsing | SlayerXP: No - that's not it and it won't go back! |
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| 17:22.50 | Cope | aha! |
| 17:22.54 | Cope | an arrival! |
| 17:23.03 | Cope | hello Jango |
| 17:39.15 | Jango | yo |
| 17:39.20 | Jango | sorry, was making dinner |
| 17:54.58 | highbury | so nobody has any suggestions for my speaker concentrator/consolidator question? |
| 18:03.52 | Cope | yes |
| 18:04.11 | Cope | I can certainly help, if you want to explain your exact needs and current resources. |
| 18:04.37 | Cope | give me the one sentence problem statement. |
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| 18:12.52 | Jango | ok, i'm off again |
| 18:14.09 | Cope | bah |
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