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00:38.57Leedsmorning folks!
00:45.56highburymorning Leeds
00:47.58highburywell nn folks
00:49.19Leedsnight
00:57.59AngelChildmorning
01:16.04Leedsworktime
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04:16.49Leedsokay, I've had enough of fighting with windows
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07:29.07highburymorning
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07:59.16Copegreetings
08:01.24mozratMorning
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08:16.42Leedsmorning folks
08:16.56mozrathey Leeeds
08:17.01mozrat-e
08:17.28LeedsI'm feeling much better after forcibly un-crippling this machine :-)
08:17.53mozratdid you liberate it?
08:18.22LeedsI did
08:18.32Leedswell, I am doing...
08:18.48mozratwhat are you putting onto it?
08:18.52Leedsit's amazing how welcoming twm feels after a few days of NT4 - and twm is a pile of shite
08:19.21Leedsit's also amazing how much quicker the machine feels - although I've not got it doing as much yet
08:19.26Leedsslackware, of course :-)
08:29.15Copemmm tuna
08:32.38Leedswow, suddenly everything is tabbed!
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08:33.27Leedsand strangely sticky
08:34.00Leedsback in a mo
08:34.02Copesticky!?
08:34.10Copehello SlayerXP
08:34.43SlayerXPlo cope
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08:36.32Copehello again
08:36.41Leedshi
08:36.54Leedsbetter - now my x session is owned by afterstep rather than a random xterm :-)
08:40.57Copeu iz 0wned
08:42.01CopeLeeds: star wars was good :)
08:42.13Leedsglad you enjoyed it :-)
08:42.27CopeEspecially the bits when yoda fights
08:42.35LeedsI'm potentially going to see it again on Sunday
08:42.47Copegroovy baby
08:43.10Leedsand should be meeting Sarah again tomorrow (again, briefly, I think)
08:44.37Copeaha
08:44.42Copewith what purpose this time/
08:45.07Leedsto give her some things I should really have posted before I left the UK and ask her to either post them or give them to rhowe to post
08:45.29CopeWhen is she coming to uk
08:46.08Leedsnext week, apparently
08:53.23mozrathttp://www.42below.com/flashad/britain/index.html
09:05.38Copethat's rather good
09:10.35mozratit is
09:10.40mozratcolonial t**ts
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09:18.21rhoweCope: Monday
09:18.44rhowe(want to get there in plenty of time for Eurovision :)
09:20.20Leedsrhowe: I assume there's nothing you need me to send you :-)
09:20.54rhoweLeeds: A happy, loving Sarah? :)
09:21.03CopeLeeds: yeah, love her up.
09:21.09rhowehaha
09:21.13rhoweNot like that :)
09:21.21rhoweLeeds: Hmm.. lemme think :)
09:21.25rhoweLeeds: Fancy a trip to HMV? :)
09:21.36Copeyou have hmv in hk?
09:21.46rhoweCope: Sure, there are loads in Asia
09:22.01rhoweCope: Japan has them too
09:22.04Leedsnot sure I can deliver a happy loving Sarah, although I could say nice things about you if that helps :-)
09:22.15LeedsI'm pretty sure I could get to HMV before meeting her though...
09:22.19rhoweLeeds: Sure :)
09:22.41rhoweLeeds: Well, if you can take a look in HMV and look for albums by 'Boa', that'd be cool :)
09:22.49rhoweLeeds: Lemme check which ones I dno't already have
09:23.15Leedshmm... Boa ~= Noa :-)
09:24.05rhowehttp://boa-nation.com/discography.php
09:24.38rhoweEither "My Name" or "Atlantis Princess" would be good - try and avoid any Japanese versions they may have
09:26.34Leedsgot it
09:26.42Copeby jove!
09:27.42LeedsCope: ?
09:28.55LeedsI suspect there may be an internal/external IP thing going on
09:40.02Leedsyup - it has a routable address and an intermal one - and sensibly, it's only listening on the internal one
09:41.46CopeLeeds: My fair lady
09:42.09Leedsah!
09:42.21Copeibot google for "by jove" +fair +lady
09:43.26Copehmm not a very good google
09:43.29Copenever mind
09:44.19mikejwhey guys
09:45.10Leedsmikejw: good evening
09:50.00Copean earth-shattering change of name
09:50.28Leedsheh
09:55.27Leedsnearly hometime :-)
09:55.59eye69-tmpLeeds: Try Evolution?
09:56.22Leedseye69-tmp: got it working
10:07.49rhoweThey're probably Kornet customers
10:08.31Copeis there any point in putting more than 4G of RAM in a linux server running on 32bit architecture?
10:12.32rhoweCope: If you need more than 4G of RAM and upgrading to a 64bit architecture is unfeasible
10:12.41rhoweCope: Other than that, I can't really see the point
10:13.06rhoweCope: I think you need to do special tricks in Linux just to get above about 768M or something (you need CONFIG_HIGHMEM even for 1G of RAM, for example)
10:13.23rhoweCope: I think there's something that happens once you go above 2G too
10:13.44eye69-tmpIt's 4GB
10:14.00eye69-tmpIt's the PAE addressing, I believe.
10:14.02rhoweCope: Some parts of RAM have limited functionality once you get above a certain point, and I think it depends on things like CPU and chipset, too. (IIRC you often can only do DMA to certain regions or something like that)
10:14.24Copeeye69-tmp: Yes - that's what I recall
10:14.39Copeenabling 36 bit addressing - ie 64G ram
10:14.40rhoweeye69-tmp: *nod*, but I think in at least some cases you might even need to do PAE or something like it once you hit 2G. Maybe it's only when you have a crappy chipset or something though (or maybe I'm just misremembering - never had a box with that much RAM :)
10:15.05Coperhowe: I have a recollection of the boundaries being <1G <4G <64G
10:15.17eye69-tmpYeah, I'm not sure either. I have machines up to 2GB.
10:15.22rhoweCope: I'd be tempted to just say that IA32/x86 being suboptimal for configurations >1G :)
10:15.38rhoweCope: Or even s/ for.*// :)
10:15.51rhowehm, too much coffee. Not making sense.
10:16.01CopeBasically I have a linux machine which currently has 4G of RAM, running big oracle DB and lots of other stuff; its constantly hammered - 100% RAM and 100% CPU
10:16.32CopeI'm considering adding more RAM - but not sure if it will be addressbale - maybe I'll need a kernel recompile to allow PAE?
10:16.46eye69-tmpYes, you probably will.
10:16.49Copesorry not CPU - SWAP
10:16.56Cope100% swap constantly
10:17.08eye69-tmpCope: Read the help section in the menuconfig.
10:17.46eye69-tmpCheck your CPU flags in /proc/cpuinfo
10:17.51eye69-tmpIt should show pae.
10:18.21eye69-tmpOtherwise the kernel wont even boot on the machine with PAE enabled.
10:18.59Copeyeah sure
10:20.31Copeyeah - pae is there ok
10:20.38CopeI thought it would be
10:20.47CopeIntel(R) Xeon(TM) MP CPU 2.70GHz
10:21.01Copex 4
10:25.03Copehmm - looks like this is using a stock redhat kerel - can't find a .config file to check the # uname -sr
10:25.06Copesorry
10:25.09Copemispaste
10:25.16Copethe CONFIG_HIMEM stuff
10:25.18Cope# uname -sr
10:25.19CopeLinux 2.4.21-20.ELsm
10:25.30Copep
10:30.07rhoweCope: Check the bootup messages. Compaq box at work has this:
10:30.08rhowe640MB HIGHMEM available.
10:30.08rhowe896MB LOWMEM available.
10:30.23rhoweCope: Very early on in the boot process (/var/log/dmesg on Debian)
10:32.46rhoweCope: My dual celeron at home, which doesn't have a CONFIG_HIGHMEM kernel, has this:
10:32.51rhowe767MB LOWMEM available.
10:33.57rhoweCope: If you boot a non-HIGHMEM kernel on a box with more RAM than it can handle, you get a message something to the effect of "rebuild this with HIGHMEM if you actually want to use all the RAM"
10:34.00Cope3007MB HIGHMEM available.
10:34.18rhowePretty conclusive, I would think :)
10:34.31CopeMemory: 3917204k/3997664k available (1705k kernel code, 75848k reserved, 1298k data, 228k init, 3080160k highmem)
10:34.34Copeallocated 32 pages and 32 bhs reserved for the highmem bounces
10:35.01rhoweHenrik Morsing calling wethrin
10:35.06rhowewethrin: *poke*
10:38.34Copehrm - in redhat land looks like the 'enterprise' kernel is needed
10:43.55rhowesure, 'cause there aren't any desktops with 1G RAM+ :)
10:46.46rhoweheh, gnucash takes a good 5 minutes to load now
10:46.53rhoweThe reports are *slow* to build
11:03.19eye69Yay...back on my machine.
11:08.40rhowewtf?
11:09.22rhoweReceived: from mail.ore-ore.net (unknown [211.240.67.181]) by mailhost.wreckage.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 33C42152208 for <russell_howe@wreckage.org>; Fri, 20 May 2005 11:57:06 +0100 (BST)
11:09.26rhoweTo: russell_howe@wreckage.org
11:09.29rhoweX-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at wreckage.org
11:09.31rhowet-yoshigaki@sis-world.jp
11:09.34rhowespam_okurunayeah@mail.goo.ne.jp
11:09.37rhoweThat's it. The body of the message is simply those two email addresses
11:14.31rhoweIn the past two months, Nildram have invoiced me for 250 quod
11:14.32rhowequid
11:14.44rhoweTook them until May to bill me for my access since December
11:16.37rhoweThen they did weird stuff
11:16.45rhoweI still need to total up what I've paid and see if it's right
11:20.01eye69I should start to wrap up if I'm going to get to Stockholm at a reasonable time.
11:26.38mozratGuys - I have a Debian box with libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap against AD... (AD has the SFU stuff installed). Trying to logon over SSH *nearly* works.. I get authenticated correctly... mkhomedir.so does it's bit but the SSH connection gets closed right after
11:27.08mozratI'm suspecting it's not finding the users loginShell attribute but there's no mention of it in /etc/pam_ldap.conf
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11:43.12Copemozrat: I can do some research, (which I am sure you're doing too) but I don't know... just wanted to assure you I'm not ignoring you!
11:43.44mozrat:)
11:43.48mozratthanks Cope :)
11:44.23mozratI've run SSH in debug mode but it doesn't complain before it kills the connection
11:44.44mozratI would make sense that after successful authentication it would wonder which shell to run for the user
11:46.45rhowemozrat: I'd wonder if the problem is somewhere in PAM
11:47.00rhowemozrat: Nothing being logged to syslog?
11:47.04mozratrhowe, I think possibly yes.
11:47.27mozratnothing relevant in syslof
11:47.30mozratg
11:48.32rhowemozrat: PAM is something I'm trying my best to avoid :)
11:48.36mozrat:)
11:48.42mozrathow are you avoiding it?
11:48.46rhowemozrat: No way to turn debugging on in the PAM authentication modules?
11:49.02rhowemozrat: I'm leaving it to Debian and hoping it does a good enough job that I don't need to know anything about it :)
11:50.40mozratooh yes
11:50.44mozratdebugging in PAM
11:53.40Copeone geek two geeks three geeks and their coffee, went to debug a system.
12:00.29rhoweLooks like none of the available ones do what I want
12:00.39Cope:-)
12:01.01mozratthat pam debugging is just gibberish
12:01.07rhowemozrat: heh
12:01.11mozratnothing meaningful
12:01.19rhoweCope: Want to do LDAP authentication, but not the way that mod_auth_ldap does it
12:41.37rhoweIt lets you in with a username of '*' and a blank password :)
12:43.52Copenice
12:45.06rhoweYeah, I thought so too
12:45.22rhoweIt also half authenticates you if you specify a blank username and password :P
12:46.17rhoweDefault regex will be '^[^*].*$' I think
12:46.59Copewhat if your users have a name like *rhowe
12:47.13Copeor would that never happen?
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12:47.39rhoweDoesn't happen
12:47.44Copegroovy
12:48.03rhoweAll usernames here match '^[a-z]+_?[a-z]*$'
12:48.27Copeok
12:48.51rhoweOr, rather: '^[a-z]+([-_]?[a-z]+)?$'
12:49.03Copethen why not catch the exception?
12:49.21AngelChild'sup
12:49.37Copeseems like a better way of ensuring it doesn't break with some strange username
12:49.48rhoweWhat exception?
12:49.57Copewell * would be an exception
12:50.07Copeor steve*
12:50.13Copeor steve-nelson
12:50.28rhoweYou mean makes the regex as specific as possible?
12:50.29Copewhereas steve-nelson is ok for your first regex
12:51.32rhoweCurrently, I'm fighting Java's regex engine:
12:51.35rhoweUser name of "rhowe" does not match usernamePattern of "^rhowe$"
12:53.03mozratOK - Microsoft have a stand right in the middle of the station to promote Office 2004
12:53.23mozratIt's a 4 sided stand with a mockup disorganised office
12:53.34mozratpostit notes - box of papers on the floor
12:53.37mozratPC on the desk
12:53.48mozraton close inspection it's a very old P2 machine
12:54.04mozratjudging by the era (about 5 years old) probably 128Mb RAM
12:54.28mozratI did mention to the girl on the stand that machine wouldn't run XP and Office very well
12:54.32mozratshe didn't understand
12:55.03rhowemozrat: Bet it wasn't plugged in, for one :)
12:55.13mozratthat as well, yes
13:22.35rhowemmm, microwaved cheese on toast :)
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14:02.04mozratanyone on SUSE 9.3 yet??
14:22.09mozratCope, how did that happen?
14:23.27Copemozrat: I imagine I put in two install floppies and followed the instructions
14:23.40mozratCope :)
14:25.07Copetoday I shall mostly be writing documentation about subnetting
14:28.18Leedsoops, down to about 30p credit on my phone...
14:28.31Leedsevening folks
14:28.52mozrathallo Leeds
14:29.05Leedsmozrat: hey...
14:29.20Leedsyour friend isn't being responsive... I replied to your mail, not heard anything back...
14:31.03Copehello Leeds
14:31.15Leedshey Cope :-)
14:34.58CopeHow's t6he liberated machibe?
14:35.42Leedsworking pretty well, once I sorted my dns issue... of course, it's at work, and I've not seen it for hours :-)
14:36.44Copeon what are you connected now?
14:37.05Leedsmy laptop
14:37.15Copethe fruity one?
14:37.35Leedsthat's the one, although I apparently do have an IBM one in the pipeline for work
14:38.02CopeYou haven't inflicted linux on the mac, have you? I can't remember.
14:38.10Leedsno, I haven't decided and certainly haven't announced wether or not I'm going to stay past a few weeks here...
14:38.16Leedsnope, running Panther here
14:38.46CopeazxscsCD
14:39.15Leedsum...
14:40.01Leedsa zx spectrum can't see CDs?
14:42.32Copepaddington green
14:44.59Cope'The Design and Implementation of the 4.3BSD UNIX Operating System'
14:45.06CopeHe likes the daemon
14:45.20Cope(which he thinks is a ``doggy''
14:45.33mozrat*woof*
14:45.46Copeall animals are doggies
14:45.57Leedsyou may want to correct that misconception before he gets into some strange religious things: god, dog or satan?
14:46.02Copeand all other things are yoyos
14:47.53Leedsthat, on the other hand, sounds like a particularly deep philosophical comment
14:51.54Leedsmozrat: so should I bug Dan?
14:52.02mozratLeeds, yes!
14:52.13pdryou should bug him anyway
14:52.48Leedsparticularly people he doesn't actually know at all :-)
14:53.13Copewho is dan?
14:53.41LeedsCope: friend of mozrat's in HK
15:03.20mozratnah can't find one
15:03.28mozratbut give him a poke anyway Leeds
15:03.44Leedswilldo
15:10.54mozratLeeds - by coincidence Dan just phoned! he said he'd been too "ummmm... busy? no, lazy to answer" but he was going to catch up this weekend
15:11.14Leedscool
15:11.22Copehumid and warm
15:11.51LeedsCope: nope, I'm in aircon :-)
15:23.20pdrLeeds: have you seen the bbc online trial?
15:23.44LeedsI saw something about it - was going to send them a mail, but I guess they'll be overwhelmed with responses
15:26.15Copewho is in the dock?
15:26.37CopeDr Who?
15:30.08Leedssome sailors, probably
16:00.28Leedsbong bong bong, midnight and all's well
16:24.29Copeoooh -0 new suedey song - andersson/butler combo
16:27.30Copethe tears?
16:42.51pdrlaterz
16:58.16mozratbye folks - home time
17:43.32Copewoo! they played some suede on the radio for me :-)
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18:10.22Leedsmorning edward
18:10.25edwardhi
18:10.43edwardabout skype
18:21.42gregjbush has iPod, I think it's time to sell one, and buy something else
18:21.52gregjedward: skype ain't voip
18:22.04gregjskype is skype, they have their own protocols
18:23.20edwardit is voice. and it is going over IP
18:23.26edwardtherefore it is VoIP
18:23.31edwarddo you mean it isn't SIP?
18:23.37gregjit isn't
18:23.45gregjthey use kazaa protocol
18:23.50gregjthat's the same company after all
18:24.17edwardbut you agree VoIP isn't a specific protocol?
18:24.18Leedsskype certainly is voip
18:24.52gregjfor me voip is a set of well established protocols and standarts, so if someone doesn't use them...
18:25.06gregjbtw, MSN IM is based on SIP
18:25.12gregjbut ain't voip either :-)
18:25.14edwardgregj: i wouldn't say it uses the kazaa protocol
18:25.24gregjalthou, their voice thingie is compatbile with voip
18:25.28gregjedward: it does
18:25.29edwardgregj: it uses a skype protocol
18:25.39Leedsvoip is a type of service - as IM is a type of service
18:25.41edwardwhat is the kazaa protocol?
18:25.43gregjwhatever, if you thinkyou know better
18:25.56Leedsgregj: you know nothing
18:26.10gregjLeeds: that wasn't to you
18:26.14gregjLeeds: yeah, so do you
18:26.23Leedsvery true :-)
18:26.30gregj:-)
18:26.37gregjat last we agree on something
18:26.46Leeds:-)
18:27.41edwardon this VoIP TV programme a guy phoned BT and asked to cancel his phone line. they said no, because he had ADSL
18:28.27Leedswell he's a fool
18:29.29edward"first of all skype rhymes with hype"
18:39.54Leedssleeptime
18:39.55gregjit's almost mid day
18:39.56Leedsgregj: 2:39 am
18:40.04gregjhmm
18:40.10gregj11:39 am
18:40.28Leedsthe family are all going to the synagogue in the morning for an event - I'm  not going, so it's time to sleep in :-)
18:40.58Leedsg'night
18:41.05gregjnight
18:52.32Copeanyone want to go to 'cargo' for the remix tonight?
18:52.41CopeI appear to have won 2 tickets :-)
18:54.18edwardwhat and where is cargo?
18:54.46Copeits in shoreditch - indie music remix night
18:54.56Copeclub / dance / booze
19:01.57edwardsure, what time?
19:13.11Copewell - from now, really.  I can't really go, as I have to stay with William, but if you can find a mate, you're sorted.
19:16.02edwardthanks, but i think i'll pass
19:16.55Copeok mate
19:17.04Copeanyone else, just give me a ping
20:49.12Copetest
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21:14.19Coperhowe!
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