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03:54.32*** join/#gllug Leeds (~Richard@203.143.24.25)
03:55.54gregjRich
04:01.48Leedsmorning gregj
04:02.29gregj21:00
04:02.33gregjnot quite a morning
04:02.39gregjevening than :-)
04:02.50gregjso where are you now :-)
04:02.51Leeds10am here :-)
04:02.55Leedshow's things?
04:03.09LeedsSri Lanka still - going to be here for a while, it seems
04:03.12gregjcool
04:03.24gregjI managed to fix 3 bugs in kopete today, and working on new stuff in my plugin
04:03.34gregjlast 2 days, on beach with firiends and parrot
04:03.46gregjmy friends parrot, speaking one
04:03.49Leedsnice
04:03.57gregjchicks prot
04:04.23gregjyeasterday evening, in theater on starwars
04:04.48Leedsdid you like it?
04:05.03gregjthis one was way better than second part
04:05.11Leedsthe movie, that is
04:05.32gregjalthou, evertyhing was happening at the very end, and was so obvious
04:05.52gregjthey could enroll that plot bit more
04:05.59gregjextend, or make it longer
04:06.02gregjdunno the word
04:06.43Leedsextend would be a decent word - or enlargen?
04:07.24gregjyep
04:11.22Leedsso you're having fun?
04:18.21gregjyep
04:18.25gregjvancouver is a great place
04:18.42gregjyou have beaches, mountains, everything is one or two hours away
04:18.46gregjand mountains are decent
04:18.58gregjhigh, with snowboarding roads
04:19.23gregjthere are down sides too of course
04:19.28Leedsdunno what the mountains are like around here, but there are nice beaches :-)  sat and watched a very impressive thunderstorm come in from the ocean on saturday afternoon
04:19.34gregjredbull tastes like shit
04:19.48Leedsyes, it does
04:19.56gregjppl speak some strange almost english language
04:20.21gregjthere is way too many asians that are talking something they think is english but I can't understeand
04:20.53gregjbut, everything costs the same amount like in london, just in different currency
04:20.59gregjfor instance, rent, houses, etc
04:21.15gregjand you earn twice the ammount you would get in london, but in CAD
04:21.40Leedsha... I'm in Asia - lots of Asians who speak things varying from perfect to appalling English
04:22.17gregj;]
04:22.21Leedsyou mean twice the real amount or twice the number amount?
04:22.21gregjbut I'm in Canada
04:22.29gregj80% of nation speaks English here
04:22.42gregjthe other 'no one cares about' 20% uses French
04:22.57gregjLeeds: like, rent is 1000 for flat, but CAD not GBP
04:22.59Leedsheh
04:23.01gregjetc
04:23.13Leedsright
04:23.23Leedsrent in HK is *very* high, in a decent area
04:23.42gregjI am talking downtown here, cos that's where I live
04:23.57gregjsome ppl in the office pay less, cos they are living outside center (so called down town)
04:24.08gregjit'f funny, cos any center-something is called here down-something
04:24.23LeedsI'm talking on HK island itself, a little up from the coast, so it's a little cooler
04:24.25gregjdown the street, down the building, down town, down the place, etc
04:28.00gregjLeeds: btw, have you rent out your flat in ldn ?
04:28.11Leedsnope
04:28.32Leedsa) not yet - since I've not actually decided to come out here for a longer time yet
04:28.44gregj;]
04:28.55gregjI am looking for place to stay in london for a week
04:29.10Leedswhen would that be?
04:29.15gregjbut with my little brother, so the other place I used to live is not good
04:29.21gregjhaven't decided yet
04:30.58gregjprobably when kids summer holiday starts
04:31.04gregjso in about a month, or less
04:31.28Leedshmm...
04:31.55gregjI think they end of school year in PL is around 20th
04:32.18Leedsin principle, you'd be welcome to stay at my place...
04:32.20gregjbut he is in pre class, or whatever you call it in UK, we call it 0 class, cos it's before first year
04:32.35gregjif it's possible, sure
04:32.45gregjcos one week to stay in hotel in london, well, too much
04:32.54Leedsyeah
04:33.30gregjdon't they have drugs to prevent that
04:34.06gregjhmm
04:34.16LeedsI've got some cream for it which is making them go down, and I think I've managed to get them out of my bedroom - although there was both a cockroach and a frog in my bathroom last night
04:34.18gregjthat's down side of summer
04:34.35gregjwoow
04:34.37Leedsanyway, I'm not entirely sure what state my place is in in London...
04:35.12Leeds?
04:35.31gregjfrog in my bathroom, sounds so.. bizzare to me :-)
04:36.02gregjdon't worry, I am human too, my place isn't very clean always neither
04:36.46gregjI am just thinking about it, nothing has been planned, etc
04:37.03gregjI just want to show him some places outside poland
04:37.08Leedsit was only a little frog - frogs don't worry me - there are lots of little lizards around here too - I like them because they eat insects :-)
04:37.18gregj:]
04:37.36Leedsthe cockroach, on the other hand, I don't like, so I sprayed it with mozzie repellant (all I had to hand) until it went away
04:39.08gregjI can pay for nice and very good at her work lithuanian girl who used to clean our place when I lived at Docklands
04:39.22Leedsheh
04:39.30gregjwe had her every week there, to make place looking like home again :-)
04:39.30LeedsI have/had a Bulgarian
04:39.57gregj7 men living in house, they can turn it into pigs barracks in few days
04:40.07gregjoh
04:40.43gregjanyway, I am just asking, you can always say no :-)
04:41.04Leedsin principle you're welcome to it
04:43.13gregjok
04:43.38gregjI have to plan it a bit more, and I will talk to you about it later, once I am back to PL
04:44.40Leedssure
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08:34.31Leedsibot change 19200 lkr to gbp
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08:48.24morsing_mornnig
08:50.23Leedsmorning
08:59.58Leedsyou know what's scary?  real, non-spam emails with subject lines like "order status" and "your enquiry"
09:00.43Copemorning
09:57.28LeedsCope: good afternoon
09:59.23Copehello!
10:01.10Leedsgood weekend?
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10:29.02stephanbhello everybody
10:29.08Leedsgood afternoon
10:29.34stephanbLeeds: afternoon! where ru today? in Lebanon ?
10:29.47LeedsSri Lanka :-)  Lebanon???
10:30.27stephanbLeeds: wot the hell ru doin in Sri Lanka man ?
10:30.31stephanbLeeds: holidays ?
10:30.33Leedsmaking bras
10:30.53stephanbLeeds: OS-X Tiger developpers conference ?
10:31.00Leedsno
10:31.07Leedsmaking bras - women's underwear
10:31.38stephanbLeeds: tired of titanium G5's
10:31.48Leeds???
10:31.55stephanbLeeds: you bought a clothing factory for a couple of G5's
10:32.09Leedsnope
10:32.17stephanbanyway
10:32.38LeedsPCs and a couple of AS/400s (iSeries) here
10:32.56stephanboooh IBM gib iron
10:33.21Leedsrelatively small iron, but yet :-)
10:33.24stephanbhas IBM ported Linux to AS/400 ?
10:34.08Leedsindeed they have, but it's os/400 and (I think) some Windows here at the moment - that *is* something I intend to do something about
10:35.10Leedsright - that was last week, Buddha's birthday
10:35.18Leedsah!
10:38.20Leedsand it was really really hot on Friday, right?
10:39.12Copevery warm
10:40.11Leedsonly a couple of degrees hotter than here, according to the BBC
10:41.05Leedsuh...
10:41.16Leedsonly a couple of degrees *colder* than here... :-)
10:41.46Copeyes it was very nice
10:42.12stephanbhey guys, can i ask more of my stupid questions today?
10:42.31stephanbit's about phishing and money mule emails
10:43.13stephanbi have been reporting them to http://www.banksafeonline.org.uk/
10:44.29stephanbi wonder if it's worth bothering
10:44.53LeedsI always just bin them, to be honest - I stopped reporting any sort of spam/scam a long time ago
10:45.25Leedsthey're never going to stop, so my job is to set things up so I don't see them - that way I don't care that they're never going to stop
10:45.40stephanbi hava feeling that these guys, banks, police are totally overwhelemed
10:46.13Leedsargh, there are people drilling about 2m from my head
10:46.52stephanboh yes they are installing your fibrechannel network, aren't they ;-)
10:47.55stephanbone thing i don't understand
10:48.25stephanbif an idiot like me, with simple linux skills, no experience in computer security, etc...
10:48.35Leedsas it happens, yes, they're putting in ducting :-)
10:48.58stephanbcan find a virus attachement, locate an ftp site where it's downloading its payload from
10:49.06stephanblog into the ftp site
10:49.27stephanbcan't anybody either block the site or shut it down ?
10:50.00stephanbor is it because police is corrupt in the country where the site is hosted
10:50.06stephanbthat nothing gets done ?
10:51.13Leedsdunno... it's a combination of where it is, what ISP, how easily it can be moved (does it find the URL by connecting to IRC to look it up?), simply how long it takes to shut it down after it's been found
10:51.39Leedsthe problem is that if it's too easy to take down, it's then easy for people to take down legit sites by claiming they're a virus payload
10:52.31Agent99hi Leeds, StephanB
10:53.00Leedsafternoon Agent99
10:53.11Agent99morning
10:53.54stephanbLeeds: well you won't site a legit ftp site with on *single* file called mmf32.exe
10:54.25stephanbAgent99: hi there
10:54.49Leedsstephanb: now you're presuming intelligence - and more seriously, a genuine investigation of every claim - on the part of the people managing these sites/servers/ISPs/backbones
10:55.48stephanbLeeds: hmm i see. I've heard this argument before. Criminals are "stupid" therefore police doesn't need to be very "intelligent"...
10:56.04LeedsI didn't say that
10:56.21stephanbLeeds: i know. I'm quoting what i've heard
10:56.32LeedsI meant exactly the opposite
10:56.43Agent99sorry to butt in guys but would it be criminal to replace mmf32.exe with something less malignant?
10:57.30stephanbAgent99: from a strictly legal perspective, i'm afraid so.
10:58.09stephanbAgent99: then will the russian owner of the site take you to court because you've hacked into his malware storage room is another question
10:58.25Leedsstephanb: and there's always, of course, that bloody "we play by the rules, they don't - so they win" problem :-(
10:58.49stephanbthat would in fact be the most efficient course of action
10:59.17stephanbit means granting police the rights to practice electronic warfare
11:00.11Leedsthere have been attempts to legislate that sort of thing in the US - so they could forcibly shut down the machines of terrorists who distribute movies online
11:00.22stephanbie. when a money laundering or virus hosting site is found, allow police to hack into them
11:00.49stephanbwell i don't agree with the copyright thing and MPAA, RIAA stuff
11:01.53stephanbsomehow i feel more strongly about phising and worms attempting to record your online banking access
11:03.47stephanbhas there been any attemps to set up the cybercrime equivalent of "neighbourhood watch areas" ?
11:03.57stephanbor is that a really stupid idea ?
11:06.02Agent99Leeds: StephanB: What's your going rate for cleaning up a virus infected Windows Workstation/Network?
11:09.16Agent99Phising/Popups/worms/etc are a growing problem amongst the connected world. Untill something concrete is done about it we can only sit back and offer our services/advice for removal.
11:10.26stephanbAgent99: i dont do IT support for a living, im a graphic designer
11:13.12Agent99You have to be flexible to survive
11:14.43Copewoooo!
11:14.49CopeAgent99: hello old chum
11:15.05Agent99Leeds: as a developer, would you turn down an offer of IT support one lazy evening knowing it'll take you 4hrs max and probably earn you decent wager?
11:15.15Agent99Cope: how's the lil one?
11:16.50CopeHe's very nice! Hard work, but very precious.
11:17.00CopeAgent99: I could make myself available
11:18.12Agent99Cope: scroll up a few lines.
11:19.06LeedsAgent99: I'd probably take it
11:19.27Leedsno idea what I'd charge for it...
11:20.16CopeAgent99: so is this a hypothetical question?
11:20.35Agent99Cope: am afraid so ;)
11:20.47stephanbi think that i have seen ads for "domestic" virus removal (=home computers) at around £30/hr
11:21.29Agent99Though, i have been getting a few orders of late.
11:23.06Agent99The idea is to remove their data to a safe house and scan for infection. Oncedata has been made good, store. Re-install OS, add AV, FW, etc and replace data.
11:23.52stephanbAgent99: what is tricky on windoze is to backup the settings / preferences /etc..
11:24.03stephanbAgent99: or just i don't know how to do that
11:24.57Agent99safe house could be laptop running %distro ofchoice with AV installed
11:25.36Copestephanb: not too tricky
11:26.14Agent99Deletion of settings/prefs is the sacrifice client has to pay. remember we are talking about a 4hr window here.
11:28.42Copeso what do you reckon? 100 quid to turn the machine around in an afternoon?
11:28.45Copemore? less?
11:29.41Leedsokay, hometime folks... enjoy the bank holiday, those who can...
11:30.00eye69Leeds: G'd bye
11:30.15eye69What bank holiday?
11:30.32stepheneye69: it's a bank holiday in .uk today
11:30.36eye69Aha.
11:30.41eye69stephen: Hello, btw.
11:30.53stephenhey :)
11:35.33Agent99hey eye69
11:36.37Agent99Cope: 100 is good.
11:38.17Copesounds do-able
11:38.27Copeso you could do 10 a week
11:38.36Agent99Though i once took a 25quid and a cuddle off our sweet old receptionist who's husband needed to replace his duff HDD and install WinXP+Office++
11:39.12Agent99she's in her 60's. i couldnt refuse. :D
11:39.48Cope:-)
11:40.18Copeibot 4000 * 52
11:41.18ibot208000
11:42.02Agent99ibot 4000 * 12
11:42.38ibot48000
11:42.57stephanbok guys. off to lunch
11:43.03stephanbhava nice day !
11:43.12Agent99bye StephanB
11:43.37stephanbbye Agent99
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11:49.26Agent99Cope: you a graphic designer like stephanB or a developer like Leeds?
11:50.41Copeneither
11:50.44Copea sysadmin :-)
11:51.15Agent99what do you support?
11:51.30Copesolaris, redhat and windows
11:51.45Agent99freelance/contract/staff?
11:51.48Copestaff
11:52.06Agent99Mac/Win here
11:53.00CopeAgent99: http://global.mci.com/us/enterprise/internet/hosting/enterprise/
11:54.39Agent99an ISP/Hosting company of sorts?
11:55.12Copeyou know who mci are, right?
11:55.32Agent99a leading provider of IP services? lol
11:55.33eye69MCI are like...huge...
11:56.00CopeAgent99: we basically do managed hosting for massive high availability platforms
11:56.30Agent99Similar to CGE&Y, who i used to work for.
12:02.55Copeok
12:03.20Agent99Cope: Head hunted, applied via vancancy, agency; how did you get the job?
12:03.28Copenepotism
12:05.20Agent99pardon?
12:05.23laomao_no, friend recommendation. His friend get the commission out of it
12:05.50CopeAgent99: my friend works for the company, and recommended me :-) ie nepotism ;-)
12:05.51laomao_Because cope is good at his work
12:06.35laomao_If you are crap, the boss will not take you in the first place anyway
12:08.42Agent99Cope: Is laomao paid to speak well of you?
12:09.10laomao_yes, he buys me nice clothes:-)
12:09.26Agent99and a lilttle one too?
12:09.45laomao_I think so
12:09.51Cope:-)
12:10.55CopeAgent99: where did you work when you worked for CGE&Y? I think they have a data center on the floor below us.
12:11.32Georgefloooooble
12:12.11Copehello George
12:12.45Agent99Near the MI6. I was there when the MI6 got their windows shattered by a rocket launcher.
12:12.58Copewhy did you leave?
12:12.59Agent99Vaxhaul
12:13.19Agent99How long do you have?
12:14.08CopeI'm on shift till 2000 hours
12:16.10Agent99You'll need loger than 7hrs to hear the whole story. lol
12:17.27Agent99Cope: NOC?
12:21.41morsing_How come people in this country are so open and friendly?
12:23.23Copewe're all lovely
12:23.37CopeAgent99: I'm in the datacenter today
12:23.51CopeAgent99: so I have no idea what the weather is like outside
12:24.37laomao_It is sunny now outside, cope
12:24.55laomao_But still few showers in the afternoon
12:25.03Agent99it rained a while back. but its bright again.
12:25.48CopeWell, the artificial light is consistent, and the machines are whirring away, contentedly.
12:26.03Copeand morsing_ *still* hasn't sent me his aix netstat output
12:27.10morsing_and Cope *still* hasn't given me his email address
12:27.56morsing_You just started chatting instead...
12:28.10Copelol
12:28.34morsing_How come /who doesn't work in irssi?
12:28.45Copeit does, just appears in window 1
12:37.57Agent99later guys.
12:38.54morsing_Cope: Remind me...
12:43.05Georgemozrat: ping
12:43.41Copemorsing_: there should be a little pink number - that's me talking to you :)
12:43.41Copemorsing_: esc + that number moves you to that window
12:44.47Georgemorsing_: never used irssi before?
12:46.08Copemorsing_: or esc + right/left arrow
12:52.43CopeGeorge: popular fellow
12:53.19GeorgeCope: no, just an idler on a massive scale
12:53.43Copehow many different networks?
12:53.54GeorgeCope: 6 or so
12:54.16GeorgeCope: I also use irssi for msn
12:56.40Copeoh
12:56.45Copethat's clever
12:57.13Copecan you do yahoo and other stuff
13:36.48GeorgeCope: yes
13:36.53GeorgeCope: bitlbee.org
13:37.08GeorgeCope: it's a special IRC server which acts as a gateway to all sorts of instant messaging networks
13:37.24Copekickass
13:37.48Copelaomao_: what does haiyi mean? Is it a bird?
13:42.17laomao_don't know. We have Hai Yan. Means swallow of the sea
13:43.00Copenice
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14:40.41Georgeit's AngelChild!
14:40.48GeorgeAngelChild: how's soton these days? :P
14:40.57AngelChild\o/
14:40.59AngelChildsunny, far too sunny
14:41.01AngelChildit burnses my skinses
14:41.09Georgehahahahahahaha
14:42.20morsing_George: irssi sucks!
14:42.55Georgemorsing_: irssi ROCKS
14:43.34AngelChildw00t, i got frozen bubble working... no chance of revision now xD
14:43.43GeorgeI have frozen bubble on my phone
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15:47.23Copei have never seen a forzen bibble
15:48.16AngelChildfrozen :P
15:52.03Copenot much meat on me
15:52.24Cope\o/
15:52.28Cope<PROTECTED>
15:52.47Cope\/\
15:56.03Georgeheh.
15:56.19Cope<PROTECTED>
15:56.30Cope<PROTECTED>
15:56.34Cope<PROTECTED>
15:56.37Cope<PROTECTED>
15:56.40Copehmph
15:56.47Copecan't get my man to line up
15:56.52Cope<PROTECTED>
15:56.55Cope<PROTECTED>
15:57.05Cope<PROTECTED>
16:01.19Georgehahaha
16:01.21Georgeyou have crooked legs
16:01.23George:)
16:02.17Cope:-)
17:34.30AngelChild\o/
17:34.32AngelChild<PROTECTED>
17:34.40AngelChild/ \
17:34.44AngelChild\o/
17:34.50AngelChild<PROTECTED>
17:34.56AngelChild/ \
17:34.58AngelChildheh
17:36.31Jangomessed up :)
17:36.41AngelChildyup xD
17:36.46AngelChild\o/
17:36.48AngelChild<PROTECTED>
17:36.54AngelChild<PROTECTED>
17:37.01AngelChildstill not right
17:37.04Jango\o
17:37.05AngelChildbut meh o// \\o
17:37.08Jango<PROTECTED>
17:37.15Jango/\
17:37.21Jangobleh
17:37.22AngelChildo.O
17:37.44Jangomine's saluting
17:38.15AngelChildoh :)
17:38.18AngelChild<o
17:38.21AngelChild<PROTECTED>
17:38.23AngelChildhrm
17:38.28AngelChild<PROTECTED>
17:38.29Jangolol
17:38.29AngelChild<PROTECTED>
17:38.33AngelChild/ \
17:39.00Jangoright, i'm gonna go do something useful
17:40.26Cope:-)
20:28.33mozratGeorge: pingeth
20:33.09Georgemozrat: heya
20:33.15Georgemozrat: -> /query
20:37.26mozrathello
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21:57.05Georgeit's AngelChild!
21:57.10GeorgeDEATH TO THE ANGELIC ONE
21:57.10AngelChildHI GEORGE
21:57.16AngelChildDEATH TO THE LONDONER
21:57.21Georged00d
21:57.51Georgewtf?
21:58.08AngelChildxD
21:58.15Georgeyou sick fuck
22:01.57GeorgeAngelChild tastes disgusting *burp*
22:02.01AngelChildyup
22:02.12AngelChildthat'd be because I've not showered for a couple of days xD
22:02.14GeorgeAngelChild: you can't speak. you have been devoured
22:02.40sutekiso sue me :)
22:02.56mozratHello all!
22:03.09mozratWell - mainly sutek
22:03.33Georgehi mozrat
22:03.40mozrathello George!
22:03.49mozratviva la bam on MTV is quite amusing
22:04.04Georgeheh
22:04.07Georgewho needs TV when...
22:04.10Georgeok, won't say it :)
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