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07:26.59mozratGood morning
07:29.08gregjmorning
07:29.34mozratHey gregj
07:35.34rhowemornin'
07:35.46rhoweOK, I will catch this train
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07:40.06mozratHi laomao_
07:40.31gregjdebian sarge will be released today around 21:00 UTC
07:40.36mozratw00
07:40.42gregjeverything is prepared for lift-off:]
07:40.52gregjfrom-behind-the-scene-news
07:47.17laomao_hello, all
07:47.57mozratHey Sophie
07:50.32laomao_How is Tanya and the children?
07:50.59mozratGood thanks :)
07:51.11mozratWent to Cornwall last week for a little holiday
07:51.12mozratwas nice
07:52.55highburymorning folks
07:53.06mozratHi highbury
07:53.07laomao_NIce! The weather there is much warmer. Cope's grandparents lives in Truro. He knows cornwall quite well or he thinks he is cornish:-)
07:53.19highburyhow's william laomao_ ?
07:53.52mozratlaomao_: :) I like it down there - but it's far to drive
07:53.53laomao_He is fine. Very naughty now and just want to touch everything in the house including the things he shouldn't touch.
07:54.33mozratlaomao_: Do you have any recent pictures online of him?
07:54.58highburyits almost impossible to keep thing from toren, he moves chairs to get to things, if he really wants something
07:55.58laomao_Mozrat: I need to ask cope about that. Maybe later on I will ask cope to show you.
07:56.06mozratlaomao_: cool
07:57.10laomao_Highbury: yes, toddlers are very clever now. William uses the chair too get things on the table.
07:58.38laomao_Highbury: by the way, when do you plan to send Torren to nursery? I'm not really sure myself. What is the common age here to the nursery?
08:02.02highburyIts free of charge from 3, a creche will take him now, a playgroup from 2
08:02.54highburyDonna never planned to got back to work until Toren was at least 2, and I'm not sure whether she will after that, it depends on finances
08:04.14Copemorning
08:04.20highburywe are now investigating Nursery Schools attached to Primary Schools, its tough round here, since all the grood ones are associated to churches which *require* regular church-going attendance
08:04.23laomao_morning, cope
08:04.54mozrathey Cope
08:04.57Copegood morning laomao_
08:05.00Copehello mozrat
08:05.59highbury... we are not happy about that, as both of us are quite anti formal religion
08:06.52laomao_oh. I'm opposite now. I converted to the christianity not long ago:-)
08:10.57laomao_There are some good christian nursery and school nearby. THe problem is they are private. Very good for creatures but expensive (causing financial worrying). Now I just don't know what to do
08:15.14laomao_The state school in our area are very confusing and the reputation are not very nice
08:16.07highburywe've been reading the Ofstead reports for all the local schools, also the Guardian website has a set of league tables available to help one decide
08:16.46highburywe can't afforf the private route, which also can tie one into having to stay private all the way
08:18.33laomao_I read the ofstead reports already about our area school. THe private schools score very high. The state ones in Greenwich are extremly low than average. very worrying
08:24.38Leedsmorning all
08:25.42Leedshighbury: so you're abandoning your more ambitious plans?
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08:29.13LeedsI arrived in this morning to find my laptop (which had been here and online collecting mail all weekend) sitting saying it had a drive read error and making nasty clicking noises... this is a 3-week-old thinkpad...
08:30.24highburyuh oh, phone IBM now! Their support is pretty good
08:30.47highburyambitious plans?
08:30.53LeedsCanada
08:30.58Leedsit'
08:31.15Leedsit'll be interesting to find out how good IBM support is in Sri Lanka for a laptop bought in Hong Kong :-)
08:32.18highburycanada is probably 2 years away (it takes that long for the bureacracy)
08:32.29Leedsah
08:32.53highburyso long as you have the international warrantee, IBM has a very good reputation for hardware repairs
08:33.16LeedsI'm sure
08:34.50Leedsthe main issue would be if I need to take it to Colombo - an hour or so drive away
08:36.53mozratLeeds are you enjoying your time over there?
08:37.07CopeLeeds: actually this is a normal thinkpad issue in my experience
08:37.10Leedsmozrat: yes, sort of
08:37.20CopeLeeds: if you take the drive out and reseat it, it should be fine
08:37.38LeedsCope: first thing I did ;-)
08:37.52gregjthinkpads are no tIBM anymore
08:37.54gregjthey're lenovo
08:38.16gregjeverything goes from china
08:38.33gregjI know, I ordered batery for my thinkpad 2 weeks ago, took them 1.5 week to get it to Canada
08:39.00Leedsthing is, the laptop was sitting unattended on a desk when it happened - and more worryingly, there were some serious-ish storms around at the time - I suspect it's been the victim of unshielded power :-(
08:39.24Leedsgregj: I think this is old enough to still be a 'genuine' IBM - which does, of course, mean it was made in China anyway...
08:39.44gregjin my thinkpad I had to buy new HD, cos by IBM was too noisy
08:40.12gregjyeah, it was made by lenovo way before they handed over the whole business to chinesse folks
08:41.37CopeLeeds: I was going to say that's my second experience of thinpads
08:41.58CopeLeeds: in which case you take *everything* out, and remove the keyboard too
08:42.12CopeLeeds: leave for 5 mins...
08:42.45gregjI never had any problems with me thinkpad
08:43.11Copegregj: I quite like mine; its a but funky (as above) but generally served me well;
08:43.25CopeI think i preferred my compaq, but maybe I was just very fond of it
08:43.47gregjmy friend recently pointed me to some amd64 laptop+dvd player in one
08:43.52gregjfor 700 quid
08:43.57mozratapart from the crappy resolution - I'd like bigger than 1024
08:44.39highburyI really like my Thinkpad (T40p)
08:44.48gregjI have t22
08:44.54gregjwould like to get faster one thou
08:44.58mozratt42 :D
08:45.07gregjfastest one is x41, or something, right ?
08:45.08LeedsI've got a dead T42 here :-)
08:45.15gregjhow much are they ?
08:45.18highburyat 1400x1050 on 14" screen its pretty cool
08:45.28highburymine was £1500
08:45.55highburyT22's and T23 can be got for around £350 on ebay
08:46.17Leedsnow the bloody thing won't turn on at all
08:46.36highburyleeds where are you now?
08:46.55Leedshighbury: Sri Lanka
08:46.56gregjparadise
08:46.56gregj:]
08:47.54highburydon't start unscrewing anything until you have spoken to IBM
08:48.11gregjs/ibm/lenovo/
08:48.25highburyif you do so, take note of precisely where each individual screw comes from
08:48.39highburyit'll still be IBM office he calls
08:48.59gregjthinkpads are very simple to take appart and I never had problems assembling it thougether again
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08:52.16highburythe T40 very specifically had screws which had to be in a specific hole, even those which appeared identical lengths
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09:02.23Leedsafternoon niichren
09:02.28niichrenhey there
09:02.36niichrenhello room
09:05.07Leedshow's things?
09:05.28niichrennot bad & u?
09:05.57Leedsooh, well...
09:06.12LeedsI'm in Sri Lanka with a dead laptop... been better, been worse :-)
09:07.54Cope~tell niichren about u
09:26.20niichrenok thanks
09:26.51niichren;)
09:32.29Leedsibot sash'
09:32.34Leedsibot sash
09:32.36ibotStand-alone shell for system recovery. URL: http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~dbell/ or Ming the Merciless
09:32.57Leedsokay, not the sash I meant :-)
09:39.12niichrenwhat are you doing in Sri Lanka?
09:41.39Leedsmaking bras
09:42.09Leedssince you ask :-)
09:42.44CopeLeeds: Russell and I had curry yesterday... we miss you :-(
09:43.29LeedsI had fish'n'chips for dinner yesterday, by the beach
09:45.03laomao_cope: laomao returns with wILLIAM
09:46.36Leedsgonna be an interesting day for apple fans...
09:46.45niichrenwhy's that?
09:47.10Leedsniichren: you've really not heard all the rapidly-firming-up rumours over the past few days?
09:48.13Leedsthat Steve Jobs, at the Apple worldwide developers conference, will confirm today that Apple are moving to Intel (very probably x86) chips
09:48.27niichrenoh yeah.. I heard that
09:53.16niichrenI also read that the Intel CEO may be onstage for the keynote
09:53.25niichrenbut they always have rumours
09:53.34niichrenbut who knows
09:54.47Leedsthese rumours seem firmer than usual
09:54.58rhoweApple likes its rumours
09:55.07Copelaomao_: Hello again :-)
09:55.12rhoweIn fact, their business plan seems partly based on rumour :)
09:55.36rhowelaomao_: Sorry for borrowing your Steve while you were sleeping - I trust he got back OK
10:01.26laomao_Yes, he is fine. Thank you for giving him back safe and sound:-)
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10:12.05Leedshey, someone want to do me a slightly strange favour? :-)
10:12.13mozratdefine strange
10:13.07Leedsby the time the Apple news is confirmed/denied, I'll be at home and therefore offline until I get back to the office tomorrow morning... you fancy SMSing me to let me know what happens?
10:13.46mozratLeeds, sure
10:14.34Leeds+85261718423 :-)
10:14.48rhoweThat number looks familiar :)
10:15.04mozratLeeds, when are you leaving?
10:15.17Leedsleaving where?
10:15.33mozratfor home
10:15.47Leedsin about 3 hours, I reckon
10:26.36wethrinmorning
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10:29.35Copewethrin!
10:29.50CopeSpot the student.
10:29.55CopeRolling in at 11.30 and casually saying 'morning'
10:30.18wethrinIt is morning! And I've been around for almost 2 hours!
10:30.45wethrinHad a meeting, though
10:31.55Coperiiight
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10:32.35LeedsSLit's not morning - it's half past 4!
10:32.48wethrinBah
10:32.48wethrinI did!
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10:46.03pdrmorning!
10:46.15rhoweMornin' pdr
10:46.22rhoweCope: Oh, good news btw :)
10:46.29rhoweCope: I woke up at 5:30 this morning
10:46.35rhoweCope: And guess who was online :)
10:46.48rhoweCope: So, looks like I'll be going to see Sandra this weekend :)
10:47.04rhoweagk!
10:49.28Coperhowe: woo
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11:15.46mozratirssi keeps seg faulting
11:15.48mozrat:(
11:23.11rhowegdb its ass
11:23.58rhoweAnyone got any lunchtime favourites that can be made with some or all of 1) A microwave, 2) A toaster?
11:24.02mozratGo to Sainsburys and get a Brie, Apple and Grape sandwich
11:24.06mozratthey rock!
11:24.19rhoweI had a lot of brie on Saturday
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11:47.06mozratHmmmmm... it seems my policy of never-ever-ever sending out HTML mail is all for nowt
11:47.06mozratas my companies MS Exchange server decides to convert it to HTML
11:47.07mozratpointless
11:48.18wethrinHeh. That sucks
12:09.27Leedsargh, fucking adware!
12:09.49Leedsmakes me embarassed to be a coder to know there are bastards out there writing that shit
12:10.44Leedshow the fuck does a browser allow "about:blank" to be hijacked?
12:16.58wethrin!
12:16.58wethrin!!
12:16.58wethrin!!!
12:18.31LeedsI'm wandering around trying to do a survey of the network - what machines are around, and where they live on the network, when I come across a machine showing an advert for a Russian brides service (who, incidentally, I doubt would be interested in coming to Sri Lanka)
12:19.35Leedsapparently it's been happening for a while, and he reported it to the computer folks here at least a month ago - and they said something along the lines of there being nothing they could do, and they suffer from it too!
12:20.32wethrinadaware!
12:22.42niichrenI had a nice curry for lunch....
12:23.03niichrenbit heavy & smelly the rest of the afternoon but hey.. shit happenss
12:23.13wethrinHopefully only if you're on the toilet
12:24.02Leedswethrin: I did just that - it didn't seem to help - it found the turd, but couldn't flush it
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12:24.36Leedsalthough I'm thinking a corporate subscription is probably in order, to go alongside the existing (I hope!) virus subscription
12:27.46rhoweLeeds: http://www.safer-networking.org/
12:27.54rhoweLeeds: Use Spybot Search & Destroy instead - it's free
12:28.05rhoweLeeds: And for antivirus, http://www.clamwin.com/
12:28.15wethrinLeeds: Reinstall?
12:29.19rhoweLeeds: Most crap is either sitting in HK{LM,CU}\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run{,Once,Services}, is a BHO, or a winsock extension
12:30.11rhowe(or multiples thereof)
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12:40.24Coperhowe: mmmm phal
12:40.36wethrinphaaaaaaaaal
12:41.47rhowemmm, crayfish on foccacia
12:41.54rhowe(Sainsbury's queue was too ridiculous)
12:42.06rhowe"The last surviving victim of an experiment that implanted the subjects' heads with electrodes that decipher coded messages is the unnamed narrator of this excellent book by Murakami, one of Japan's best-selling novelists and winner of the prestigious Tanizaki prize. Half the chapters are set in Tokyo, where the narrator negotiates underground worlds populated by INKlings, dodges opponents of both sides of a raging high-tech infowar, and engages in an affair
12:42.18rhoweThat's the book I'm just about finished reading :)
12:48.57wethrinWhat've you broken?
12:50.26Copemmm hot curry
12:51.39wethrinI want a hot curry :(
12:51.59Coperhowe: even yummier!
12:52.03rhoweAnyone fancy a short story?
12:53.48Copephemerone rush
12:56.58wethrin:)
12:58.48Copeyum!
12:58.55wethrinDoes the school know about this!?
12:59.00Coperhowe: tell us your story
12:59.09Copewethrin: :)
12:59.20wethrinMore importanatly, do the parents?
12:59.24rhowephone call
12:59.33Copeis that the start of the story?
12:59.41wethrinignore the phone
13:03.23Leedsfor example, he does have the network diagrams/lists I was trying to build
13:03.41Leedsalthough I'm rather upset that the gateway here is a PC running win98se
13:04.10Copenice
13:04.24wethrinHeh
13:04.32wethrinRight. Off to do some work. bye for now!
13:04.56Copegiven a choice between that and openbsd, its the obvious choice
13:05.29mozratLeeds - is that all that box does?
13:05.40Leedsand it's rather telling that when I said we need to redesign the network (to use a legal subnet, and, ideally for it not to be 'segmented' by groups of 10) he said I should write it up and present it as my idea, not his, because he's too junior to tell the bosses to do that sort of thing
13:05.46Leedsmozrat: yup
13:06.13mozratLeeds - get IPCop :)
13:06.19mozrator something more.... suitable
13:06.21Leedsthere is also a 'black box' firewall, supplied by the telco - actually, a white box PC which I suspect is running some form of free *nix
13:08.00Leedsone problem with being on the end of a shared 128kbit pipe with, amongst other things, adware running over it, is that downloading random software can take quite a while :-)
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16:03.27Copeanyone awake?
16:07.39mozratzzzZZZzz
16:07.45mozrat*splutter*
16:07.46mozratYes!
16:07.49mozratof course I was working
16:07.51mozratwhat?
16:09.56pdrawake?
16:09.57pdrno
16:10.21pdron my way out the door in fact
16:10.30pdrgotta get to class
16:12.27Copeanyone got highbury's phone no?
16:16.31mozratping Leeds
16:16.46mozratSo... Leeds has gone home :)
16:17.05mozratand he asked me to text him if Apple announced news about them teaming wth Intel for processors
16:17.24mozratwhat can I text him?? Some bogus news about Apple teaming with Casio or something?
16:23.21Copebe kind
16:23.54mozratI wrote.....
16:24.28mozrat'Hey Leeds, Moz here. BBC News says Apple have announced a partnership to ship Macs with z80 chips from this Novemeber'
16:24.40rhowehttp://clmuk.europe.hp.com/emauk/www/q305/linuxroad/invitation_r10_c5_2.gif
16:25.03rhowehttp://clmuk.europe.hp.com/emauk/www/q305/linuxroad/invitation_r7_c5.gif
16:25.24rhowehehe
16:28.21rhoweHm, any graphviz wizards around?
16:29.50Copehow does 309 poudns sound for AMD64 2800, 1G Kingston RAM & 2 x WD 80G drives in case + mobo etc?
16:30.02rhoweHm, not so bad I guess
16:30.33Copeapparently onboard raid
16:30.36rhoweI spent about 500 on a 3200, 512M Kingmax RAM, Radeon 5250 or something, 160G SATA drive, all in a Shuttle XPC case
16:30.37wethrin:)
16:30.39rhowenew
16:30.52rhoweCope: The onboard RAID will probably be software RAID
16:31.13Copehmm
16:33.18rhoweNot me
16:35.32wethrinMaybe
16:35.42wethrinNope :(
16:36.18wethrinsorry
16:39.31Cope50p a day till the end of the year ok?
16:39.42wethrinokay :)
16:40.00Copeyou can even have the jar
16:43.39wethrinw00t!
16:44.47wethrinyou found his number?
16:44.57Copeon the web
16:46.15wethrinAhh
16:48.03Coperichard cohen is the epitome of the beltway pundit who draws a fat paycheck for tapping out opinions two or three times a week
16:48.23Copedan kolb is 4
16:48.55Copesteve nelson is the highest nova scotian ever drafted in the major league baseball amateur draft
16:49.04wethrin??
16:49.25wethrinAhh
16:50.35Copehui is also exploring the best ways workers can understand and evaluate the maori cultural component of a person's life
16:52.53Coperussell howe is on our national lawyers roster
16:52.56Copeenough already
16:53.45wethrinAre you bored, Cope?
16:54.45Copeotherwise I would have gone home
16:55.27wethrinAhh
16:56.33wethrinPhone?
16:56.40Copeno answer
16:56.47wethrinPoo
16:57.19Copeof course, if I go home, as soon as I get in the door I'll get a message from him saying 'where are you?'
16:57.34wethrinYes
16:57.40Copeoh well
16:57.50wethrinyarr
16:58.37wethrinbye
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19:01.48highburyhi people
19:02.26Copehello highbury :-)
19:03.04highburysorry we didn't meet up cope
19:03.19CopeNo problem - always another time :-)
19:03.29CopeI shall see you on Saturday at the very earliest
19:04.28highburyoh yeah, should I do the meeting web page, I'm still waiting for Dean to mail me back
19:17.13Copehighbury: are you vaguely around for a bit?
19:17.18Copeor is this a fleeting irc visit?
19:39.55Copeapparently so...
20:40.22JAVgood evening
20:43.20Copehello jav
21:29.09highburycope: I'm drifting backwards and forwards between here and TV
21:30.23rhoweRun 'tzconfig' if you wish to change it.
21:30.23rhoweHangup
21:30.31rhoweHmmm.. that remote sarge upgrade didn't go so well :)
21:35.53Copehighbury: ok
21:37.12rhoweo/~ When I'm on my own / and I need my home / you can hold every atom / and every limb I own
21:40.46rhoweo/~ I'll wait for the day when you creep through the window and hold me / Smash into my life and now hold me
21:41.59CopeBuy you beer? Yeah; Curry? Sure - creep through your window and hold you - that's maybe pushing the boundaries of our friendship a little too far.
21:42.54rhowelol
21:43.14rhoweo/~ I'm drunk for your love / Speed into my life / Speak to me now / Just speak to me someone / For I know your taste / And I can supply
21:43.33rhowehm, but light and gassy, I find
21:44.01CopeHowever at 85p a can its good value
21:44.59rhowesmall cans
21:45.33Copeyes
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21:53.15Coperelo JAV && Gonzo
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23:17.12Copeunban *!*@burningchrome.demon.co.uk
23:17.18Copeerror
23:17.19Cope:-)
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23:40.54highburyWeb pages updated
23:43.16Copegood work
23:46.43highburyfeel a little peeved that everything got left till the last minute, we have to do better

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