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07:15.47Copenice
07:16.25gregjdunno if it's so nice, my family doesn't appriciate it
07:16.33Cope:(
07:16.43gregjespecialy after the times when I was in london for 2.5year instead of one
07:16.46gregjbut...
07:16.57gregjthey have to live with the way I do stuff
07:17.18Copeabsolutely
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07:49.14*** topic/#gllug is Greater London LUG. Next meeting: Saturday 11th June 2005; Web site: http://www.gllug.org.uk; Wiki: http://wiki.gllug.org.uk; Channel stats at http://www.jonmasters.org/irc/gllug; Pictures at http://gllug.org.uk/ircphoto.html [need new piccy's]
07:57.43Copemmm pizza
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08:50.31wethrinHeh
08:50.58Copeaha a wethrin
08:51.03wethrinA Cope!
09:16.22mozratGood morning
09:16.33wethrinHi
09:17.11Copehello mozrat
09:17.17mozrathullo Cope
09:20.38Cope~jfgi
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09:35.19itsbruceMorning
09:35.27wethrinMorning
09:44.22wethrinw00t!
09:45.13itsbruce?
09:48.44wethrinThe fermion
09:50.25itsbruceAnd do they come up with good names?
09:53.08Copemy laptop and 'tal' are 18 inches apart; to connect to it, I am currently using vpn from home to work, and then ssh'd back to tal over the net
09:56.51pdrmoin
09:57.20Copehi pdr
09:59.13pdrhow are you cope?
09:59.23Copegroovy thanks, and you?
10:04.13pdryeah, all good
10:04.18pdrwell, mostly good
10:04.31pdrwork is busy
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10:31.54Leedsibot seen sash
10:31.55ibotsash <voidzero@ukato.freeshell.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 61d 37m 59s ago, saying: 'Forget the 3-in-one idea.'.
10:32.49Cope~seen rdancer
10:32.50ibotrdancer <~foo@rdancer.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 54d 2h 56m 4s ago, saying: 'hi, morsing '.
10:33.17Cope~seen jd
10:33.17ibotjd <~david@213.165.237.155> was last seen on IRC in channel #freedesktop, 144d 7h 49m 10s ago, saying: 'daniels: hmm you on keybukk time?'.
10:36.59pdr~seen pdr
10:37.00ibotpdr is currently on #gllug.  Has said a total of 6 messages.  Is idling for 1s
10:37.29Cope~seen dankolb
10:37.30ibotdankolb <dankolb@spoon.pkl.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 58d 1m 11s ago, saying: 'Bye peeps'.
10:37.42Leedsibot seen god
10:37.43ibotgod <~rkone@ip70-181-155-19.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 18d 14h 36m 15s ago, saying: 'Thanks for trying though'.
10:38.11Cope~seen alchemist
10:38.11iboti haven't seen 'alchemist', Cope
10:38.17pdr~seen santa
10:38.18ibotsanta <~jupiter@12-253-125-169.client.attbi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #picogui, 902d 7h 58m 17s ago, saying: 'file: yeah, but i did it fedex, so it won't show up until april'.
10:38.24Copeoooh!
10:38.27Copegood hit!
10:38.39Leedswho are you hitting?
10:39.07Leedsibot seen the light
10:39.08iboti haven't seen 'the light', Leeds
10:39.48pdrCope: longest ago?
10:40.34Leedsibot seen a7r
10:40.34ibota7r <~alexander@69.17.112.193> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 254d 5h 38m 53s ago, saying: 'that sucks.'.
10:41.15pdr~seen menace
10:41.15ibotmenace <~knorr@menace.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #tomcat, 30d 10h 3m ago, saying: 'when i installed jakarta, and after that AXIS (from the freebsdports), and tomcat's running, how can i begin to develop Applications for that?'.
10:41.32pdr~seen widget
10:41.33ibotwidget <~widget@host-83-146-40-161.bulldogdsl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 45d 22h 29m 46s ago, saying: 'what choices are there for syncing from linux-running ipaqs?'.
10:41.56Cope~seen your willy
10:41.57ibotCope: i haven't seen 'your willy'
10:42.30pdr~seen lovefish
10:42.30ibotpdr: i haven't seen 'lovefish'
10:42.31Leedsibot seen sid
10:42.32ibotsid <~sid@147.8.76.213> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 85d 1h 30m 12s ago, saying: 'bye'.
10:42.50pdr~seen kfish
10:42.51ibotkfish <~conrad@balgowlah-ep.tip.csiro.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #slug, 68d 9h 29m 46s ago, saying: 'gus: see you at slug tonight maybe :)'.
10:42.56Cope~seen casablanca
10:42.57iboti haven't seen 'casablanca', Cope
10:43.03Leedsibot you really should
10:43.48Cope~seen spice world the movie
10:43.48iboti haven't seen 'spice world the movie', Cope
10:43.51Leedsibot seen myself in a mirror lately
10:43.51iboti haven't seen 'myself in a mirror lately', Leeds
10:44.18Cope~seen laomao
10:44.19ibotlaomao <~laomao@82-69-220-158.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 36d 21h 15m 41s ago, saying: 'evil cope'.
10:44.34Leedsheh
10:44.37Copeevil cope
10:44.58Leedsibot cope is also evil, apparently
10:45.01ibotLeeds: okay
10:45.31Cope~seen Leeds' sister
10:45.32ibotCope: i haven't seen 'leeds' sister'
10:46.04pdribot leeds has a hot sister, apparently
10:46.07CopeLeeds: did you find the gorgeous brazillian?
10:46.37pdraren't they all?
10:46.40LeedsCope: not yet - been in Sri Lanka for two weeks, haven't I???
10:46.46Cope;-)
10:47.16Leedsanyway, wikipedia is back, thankfully
10:47.20Copeindeed
10:50.45pdrwhat could be more wordy than cvs?
10:50.48pdrword up mate
10:51.05Copepdr: concurrent versioning system
10:51.13pdrwerd
10:51.17Cope;-P
10:51.25pdrthanks for that
10:52.00Cope*couldn't
10:55.05Leedsmicromuse should be careful of that bloke...
10:55.17Copewhy?
10:57.33Leedshe's at micromouse - on first glance I thought "what a fool - I thought micromuse employed people with brains"
11:01.00Copemy colleague used to work for micromuse
11:05.23LeedsCope: by the way, I have to admit that it took me a few moments to work out to which brazilian you were referring
11:09.03rhowehttp://www.w3sh.com/archives/2005/05/enfin_un_bon_us.html
11:09.19rhoweCope: Will read up on your email at lunchtime :)
11:09.27rhoweCope: Things are a touch hectic here :)
11:11.24rhoweheh, $boss just found out from the managing director that I'd been offered a job elsewhere :P
11:17.37rhowehighbury: Still got Leeds' mac mini? :)
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11:43.41Leedsrhowe: I certainly hope he does
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11:46.54rhoweLeeds: Got a use for it there :)
11:47.14Leedsdo I have a use for it?
11:47.26Leedsyeah, it's small enough to fit into a HK apartment :-)
11:47.58rhoweNah, I meant this use :) http://www.w3sh.com/archives/2005/05/enfin_un_bon_us.html
11:48.05Leedsah, yes
11:50.21rhoweUnfortunately, it would seem the most appropriate tool for the job (backup catalog database)
11:51.20rhoweDammit, I told you I didn't want to configure you
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12:13.05laomao_cope: laomao needs the grilling instruction from you
12:13.24Copelaomao_: its is probably easier for me to show you
12:15.21laomao_cope: I will wait until you show me this evening then
12:15.27Copelaomao_: ok
12:16.04laomao_NIce. Soya milk, please
12:17.54laomao_cope: storage wise, freezer or normal fridge section?
12:18.45rhoweFrozen soya milk
12:18.49rhoweSoya ice cream?
12:19.15laomao_No, peppered beef
12:21.41Leedslaomao_: are you making us all dinner?
12:23.05laomao_leeds: cope gonna teach me how to cook beef. I'm no use at all
12:23.29Leedsbet you're better than me :-)  I consider stir-fry to be advanced cuisine
12:25.32laomao_hmm, not sure. Cope loves the curry most. and he is much better cook than me.
12:26.32laomao_By the way, do you enjoy your exotic oriental meals in Sri Lanka?
12:27.19LeedsI certainly do :-)  to be honest, I prefer indian-style (which Sri Lanka falls into) to Chinese-style
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12:28.10Copenice
12:28.12laomao_Most men in Britain do. A cultural taste.
12:28.42Copemmmm curry
12:28.49itsbruceHave to say my tastes are more towards Thai/Indonesian than Indian
12:28.53Leedsmmmm curry
12:29.16itsbruceAlso, Korean cuisine.  Very nice.
12:29.21LeedsI do like Thai a lot... not sure I've ever had Indonesian... I prefer Thai to Indian, but I prefer Indian to Chinese
12:29.35Copeooh, laomao_ and I know a good korean restaurant, where we went for her birthday
12:30.01itsbruceThere's a very good one in spitting distance of TCR tube
12:30.08laomao_yes, very nice. We definitely need to a re-visit some time.
12:31.34Cope<PROTECTED>
12:32.31laomao_Maybe we ate the Korean dog next time?
12:34.59LeedsCope: gimme a year or two...
12:34.59laomao_What is Dr Dan?
12:35.45Leedsalthough mine would be Cantonese, I think
12:36.49itsbruceThe dog?
12:37.05Copelaomao_: have you eaten korean dog before?
12:37.17CopeI cannot imagine eating a little doggy
12:37.31LeedsCope: but you're okay with eating big ones?
12:37.36itsbruceYou mean it would have to be a great dane?
12:37.51laomao_No, it is a very strong potent food for Korean men, not women
12:38.37Leedschicken
12:39.12laomao_Traditionally korean restaurant will have a lot of dogs in the cage. You can choose which dog you want eat. Then they will kill it and cook for you
12:40.11rhoweThey tend to use St. Bernards for dog meat
12:40.55rhoweAt least in China
12:41.09rhoweI may have had dog soup once, but not sure
12:41.18rhoweMight just've been pork
12:41.19itsbruceDoesn't sound as if it's very tender when served
12:42.12laomao_You can have the snake stew or raw snake liver if you like.
12:42.25pdrsounds yummy
12:42.35Leedsdog isn't kosher...
12:42.36rhowelaomao_: Snake is quite seasonal though, isn't it?
12:42.42laomao_Leeds might have chance to taste it in Hong kong.
12:42.43Copesnake stew sounds exciting
12:42.47Leedsthat's my excuse and I'm sticking to it :-)
12:42.50Leedsneither is snake
12:42.57rhoweApparently snake really does taste like chicken :)
12:43.01laomao_It is very popular in cantonese area
12:43.04pdri was on a school camp once and we were climbing a mountain and one of the borders gets a knife out and kills a snake with it, so we ate it for dinner
12:43.53rhowepdr: Was it nice?
12:44.26pdryeah, it was a bit like chicken, but a bit tougher and maybe a bit fishy too
12:44.38Copei have eaten kangaroo
12:44.46pdrme too
12:44.54pdra few times
12:45.00Copebet yours was fresher than mine ;-)
12:45.03pdrheh
12:45.11pdri've only had it once in australia
12:45.20Copei had it in france
12:45.27laomao_My sister eats scorpios once when she is little
12:45.42pdrlaomao_: fried?
12:45.45laomao_deep fried scorpios are very crispy
12:46.12rhoweI would expect scorpions to be crispy even before frying them
12:46.13pdryou can eat tarantulas like that too apparently - a fave in vietnam from what i gather
12:46.30pdror was it indonesia
12:47.11laomao_The Cambodian people eat tarantulas. It is in the BBC documentary of Cambodian series
12:47.21Copelaomao_: any reason why she dislikes people born between October 23 - November 21 ?
12:48.06pdrlaomao_: that's probably where i was thinking of
12:48.28Copelaomao_: my mummy is a scorpio
12:48.47laomao_deep fry her, then. Yummy:-)
12:48.54Copelots of meat
12:49.22Leedsum...
12:49.59laomao_I ate a lamb's brain once. It is my biggest food adventure so far
12:50.32LeedsCope: keep an eye on her - she'll be nibbling william next!
12:50.34rhoweI saw (and heard!) someone suck a duck's brain out of its nostrils
12:50.36laomao_Long long time ago, cope!
12:50.50rhoweNever looked at her quite the same since
12:51.06Copei don't know what is in haggis, but that's probably the most offaly thing I have eaten
12:51.09Copehaggis is yummy
12:51.20pdrfish brain is nice too
12:53.53laomao_Chinese likes fish head soup
12:54.25pdrrolly polly fish heads?
12:54.28laomao_The dish was on 'Kill Bill' as well
12:55.09laomao_Uma Thurman's master was killed by the poisonous fish head soup
12:55.11pdrCope: you eat the fish, and then fight over the brain
12:56.47rhoweitsbruce: Gonna try moving bacula from sqlite to MySQL today
12:57.05rhoweitsbruce: Backups are taking too long, and I think it's due in part to the crappy machine I'm running it on. It's swapping a lot
12:57.39rhoweitsbruce: Figure if I move the database off to another box, and move the overseeing part, the director (which is fairly memory intensive) to somewhere else, things should be a bit better
12:57.48rhoweitsbruce: Then all the box is doing is managing the drives
12:57.56rhoweShould be capable of that
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13:06.22JAVhello
13:07.29Leedsgood evening JAV
13:10.31LeedsCope: where?
13:11.46rhowehmm, looks like the Apache mod_auth_ldap might do what I want already
13:28.38CopeLeeds: wikipedia
13:28.50LeedsCope: ah
13:29.26wethrinI did that yesterday
13:29.30wethrinalthough I also put 4 lemons in
13:29.34Copeyum
13:29.37wethrinVery
13:29.49Copei would like one of those fruit squisher machines
13:30.34Copewas is expensiev?
13:30.50wethrinJust a pointy ribbed dome (for the fruit's pleasure)
13:31.00pdrmy favourite is 45% orange, 45% apple, 9% lemon and 1% ginger
13:31.08wethrinOooh. Interesting
13:31.10Copeyum yum
13:31.11rhowewhee, aria delivery
13:31.19Copepdr: where did you obtain the device?
13:31.22pdrand yeah, it was expensive
13:31.23wethrinAlthough apples are more difficult to use with a juicer, due to lack of hard outer skin
13:31.29pdramazon iirc
13:31.41Copepdr: rough guide price?
13:31.42pdrit's named after some guy called anthony warrell
13:32.00pdrCope: i can't remember, about 100-150 quid or so
13:32.27Leedsrhowe: ooh, toys
13:32.28pdrwhich is pretty fscking expensive, but it makes juice of anything
13:32.36wethrinGet a simple citrus fruit juicer for about £10
13:32.49laomao_cope: we have a juicer at home. Or it is not right sort?
13:34.09rhoweLeeds: I now own a copy of Windows XP Professional x64 edition
13:34.22Leedsrhowe: bad toy :-(
13:34.28Copelaomao_: i think ours is a blender
13:34.51Copelaomao_: i don't think it would squish up apples and bananas and stuff like the one pdr is talking abouy
13:35.07rhoweIt could make smoothies though
13:35.13Copeit could
13:36.07rhoweLeeds: I finally made something out of your PC case btw :)
13:36.19rhoweLeeds: It's now got a P2 266 w/384M of RAM in it
13:36.24Leedsrhowe: good!
13:36.26rhoweLeeds: And either a 6 or 13G drive, not sure
13:37.00laomao_cope: if you want a decent juicer, we will get you one. It will be nice to drink some cool juice in the summer
13:37.10rhoweLeeds: Once I've got XP installed on the Shuttle PC, I can dump the data off the drive in the P2 onto it, and then install something more sane on it
13:37.27rhowelaomao_: I find it hard to beat a bottle of water from the 'fridge
13:37.46Leedsrhowe: you could try using a big stick, for the beatings
13:38.32itsbruceCope: haggis is just Sheep offal and oatmeal, really
13:39.08itsbruceI could give you the names of all the bits but it tends not to mean much to most people.
13:39.21itsbruceMy grandfather was a butcher, otoh, so I know what lights are.
13:40.02Leedshometime... bye folks
13:42.50Copehaggis is very nice
13:43.25itsbruceEspecially with butter on it and accompanied by mashed neaps
13:45.16CopeI think I last had haggis at Babbity Bowsters
13:49.31laomao_cope: laomo here
14:42.19rhoweitsbruce: hm.. I thought that the bacula database backup size was a bit too constant.. :)
14:42.29rhoweitsbruce: It had been backing up an incomplete database dump from April :)
14:56.22rhowehaah @ MP3 stream: http://211.234.113.252:8000
14:56.50eye6916:55:05 [Quakenet] [DES0LATION(d@desolated.users.quakenet.org)] WAY TO BE A FUCKIGN IGGER
14:56.53eye6916:55:10 [Quakenet] [DES0LATION(d@desolated.users.quakenet.org)] YOU SACK OF HORSE SHIT
14:57.12eye69Some people just can't take getting kicked for being an arse.
15:04.45itsbrucerhowe: And having it in mysql made this more clear?
15:14.47rhoweitsbruce: Well, having it in MySQL means that the backup script is no longer reliant on a file path staying the same
15:15.26rhoweitsbruce: Really, the database dump script should've bitched loudly when it couldn't find the database to dump, instead of silently failing
15:19.02rhoweitsbruce: Still, not too big a deal - there's a utility called bscan. You give it a tape and it reconstructs the database entries from that
15:19.23rhoweAll we lost was the ability to perform a rapid restore in the event of the database going kaput
15:23.01Copeah, that's all
15:23.04Cope;-)
15:23.42Copebecause we don't really keep backups to do rapid restores in the even of databases breaking, do we?
15:23.56Copewe just like to keep data to keep us amused...
15:24.43rhoweheh
15:24.52rhoweWell it would only take about half an hour to restore the database
15:25.21rhoweSince it currently takes about 14 hours to run the full backup (and presumably the same for a restore), it's pretty negligible
15:25.59rhoweHoping that moving the director off to a faster machine will roughly halve our backup times
15:26.10Copeand no, why would read and write operations be at the same speed?
15:26.36rhoweI think the machine is slower than the tape drives at the moment :)
15:26.50Copeah yes, the mega machine, with dual p133s
15:27.00rhoweMight be faster if it doesn't have to keep adding database entries during a restore
15:27.08rhoweYep, that's the one
15:28.40rhoweIt has a loadavg of 2.5 when running the backups
15:28.50rhoweSo it's plainly underspecced for the task :)
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16:14.15rhoweAh, it's done
16:14.37rhowe"ERROR 1064 at line 1: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'TRANSACTION' at line 1"
16:14.46rhoweheh, no, MySQL. You have an error in your SQL support :)
16:20.59rhowehmm.. will it finish by half 5... I think it just might
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19:47.59rhowe/dev/hdc3      xfs    144G  272K  144G   1% /usr/local/media
19:48.00rhowewhee :)
19:50.19mozratsomehow I doubt 272K really is 1% of 144G :)
19:50.41rhoweClose enough :)
19:56.35rhoweIt's slow? :)
19:57.00mozrat:)
19:57.04mozratsomething else
19:57.31mozratthe vacation plugin throws up FTP errors even though looking at a ethereal trace it actually works fine
20:03.58rhoweIt opens more than one FTP connection IIRC
20:04.07mozratyes it does
20:04.31mozratbut the warnings are things like: Warning: ftp_login(): Password required for davidrhodes. in /usr/share/squirrelmail/plugins/vacation/vac_init.php on line 59
20:04.38mozratwhich is correct!
20:04.49mozratin the trace you can see it asking for a password and it gets it and carries
20:04.50mozraton
20:04.55rhoweAh right
20:05.02rhoweLooks like it isn't parsing the FTP response properly
20:05.07rhoweTypical PHP coder :)
20:05.15mozratthe problem seems to be (non) error messages being printed to the user interface
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20:43.51mozratah well - bug report filed anywya
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21:31.42rhowehmm..
21:31.48rhowedesktop not powering back up :/
21:33.41mozratd'oh
21:37.00rhoweWorse than that
21:37.08rhoweIt means I have to use the Windows box
21:38.02Agent99Or boot to a live *nix CD
21:38.34rhoweI'll stick sarge on here in a bit
21:38.41rhoweIt's a fresh Windows install though, so still things to do to it
21:38.54rhoweA legit (purchased yesterday) copy of XP Pro x64 edition
21:39.03Agent99Rhowe: what in particular dont you like about Windows?
21:39.17rhoweAgent99: It's not Gnome
21:40.39Agent99Which limit yourself? Learn to use kde and explorer too.
21:40.49Agent99<PROTECTED>
21:41.11rhoweOh I can use Windows just fine. I know more about it than many Windows admins and users :)
21:41.15rhoweI just don't like it
21:41.37mozratI don't think Windows is that functional
21:41.55mozratit maybe ready for the desktop in a few releases time
21:42.03rhoweWindows is fine in general
21:42.04Agent99mozrat: configure it properly and you'd be surprised
21:42.07rhoweBut I just don't like it
21:42.58mozratgotta go - argue later :)
21:43.00rhoweATi's 64 bit Radeon drivers sure do suck
21:43.09Agent99but i'm always alone defending my choice of opensource at wotk that it's nice to play devil for a change.
21:43.15rhoweThe installer throws up a bunch of errors (the drivers still seem to get installed and work though)
21:44.49gregjnvidia support for opensource systems is much much better, ati sux
21:45.44Agent99i guess that's the price you pay for buying/using bleeding edge
21:46.22Agent99i never have install problems on my PII 450. :)
21:47.26Agent99rhowe: fancy an exchange?
21:50.03rhoweAgent99: heh, this is a dual Celeron 400 that's dead
21:50.24rhoweThe A64 3200+ is working fine
21:51.20Agent99there's a dual Celeron 400 at work i'm trying to squeeze out of my boss.
21:54.31rhoweBP6?
21:54.42Agent99rhowe: do you have any stats on iptables/pf/ipfw vs ISA server 2004?
21:54.52rhoweAgent99: None at all. Never seen or used ISA
21:55.16gregjISA server ? that's m$ product
21:55.43rhoweAgent99: I don't think you can really compare them though - ISA does a lot more than iptables does
21:56.52rhoweNo idea why, but the Windows box downloads a hell of a lot slower than any of my Linux boxes
21:57.00rhoweI wonder if the gigabit NIC doesn't like my 10/100 hub
21:58.09Agent99setting NIC to auto negotiate should be fine.
21:58.24rhoweShould be, sure
21:59.40rhowehm, no difference
22:00.11Agent99check cable. we hade to replace a few of ours for brandnew cat53 pre-patched.
22:00.27Agent99i guess that says alot about my cabling techniques. lol
22:00.34rhoweUnfortunately, this is my only cable that's long enough :)
22:01.43Agent99cat53? where did that come from?
22:02.17rhowecat53?
22:02.56Agent99scrolling up, i seem to notice my spelling deteriorate
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22:56.01rhoweWindows++
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23:22.12gregjhttp://www.compusmart.com/Product/Default.aspx?CatalogID=0&SupplierPartNo=750082&ShowSpecs=True
23:22.18gregjwhat do you guys think about this laptop
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