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07:20.13mozratGood morning
07:22.05rhoweMorning
07:22.21rhoweGoing to see Sandra in 12 hours :)
07:23.09mozrat:D
07:23.34rhoweShe still has a bf though ;/
07:23.46mozratBah - mere details
07:23.50rhoweIndeed
07:24.01rhoweHe treats her like crap anyhow, so of course she'd be far better off with me
07:24.10mozratof course
07:24.20mozratwhere does she live?
07:24.26rhoweLoughborough
07:24.29rhoweish
07:24.42rhoweBut she will probably be moving at the end of the year
07:24.51mozrat*nods*
07:24.59rhoweShe wants to buy a house, but isn't quite sure how to go about getting ~ GBP 100k out of China
07:25.21mozratyeah - I can imagine that would be a problem
07:25.51rhoweThe Chinese banks want to charge 3% handling fee
07:26.03rhoweAnyway, if I don't do this washing up now, it won't get done
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07:42.06mozratGood lord... it's Morsing
07:42.11morsingOh dear
07:59.21Copegood morning
07:59.48mozratMorning Cope - sorry to hear about the jam jar
07:59.57mozratIs the damage repairable?
08:00.22Copeyeah - nothing too bad; headlight, bumper, bonnet and stuff
08:00.50mozrateek - that sucks
08:02.22laomao_.hello
08:15.00Copehello love
08:26.30LeedsCope: hello darling
08:27.39laomao_Leeds: stop sweet talking.
08:27.53Leedslaomao_: sorry :-)
08:27.53mozratLeeds is such a smoothie
08:34.01morsingonnection to mamgp201 closed.
08:34.10morsingorry
08:34.15eye69morsing: Interesting.
08:34.24eye69orry to you too
08:39.05rhoweCope: Was your regular expression 's/^.//'? :)
08:39.21Copeno
08:39.31rhoweOh, so it didn't infect morsing's IRC client then
08:39.34Copeat present its sed '/9:[0-9][0-9]*:[0-9][0-9]* P/s/9:/21:/' < working_ir
08:40.35Copei'm now trying to decide if its best to do this in a script, and pass an incerementing number to the sed line's regex
08:49.07rhoweI'd have to open the book on my desk to grok that script
08:51.25rhowe(sed & awk)
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08:59.00Leedsoops
08:59.19Cope_well it just hung, and screen -rd hasn't reattached it
08:59.25Cope_which is a significant pain in the arse
09:01.53morsingrhowe: What's your coordinates please?
09:03.49Cope_sed '/[ 0-9]*:[0-9][0-9]*:[0-9][0-9]* P/{s/ 1:/ 13:/;t;s/ 3:/ 15:/;t;s/ 4:/ 16:/;t;s/ 5:/ 17:/;t;s/ 6:/ 18:/;t;s/ 8:/ 20:/;t;s/ 9:/ 21:/;t;s/ 10:/ 22:/;t;s/ 11:/ 23:/;t;s/ 12:/ 00:/}'
09:03.53rhowemorsing: SE1 1YT
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09:08.25Leedsso... are there such things as combined wireless access point and analog modem?
09:08.52Cope_any ideas on how to recover my screen session?
09:09.43LeedsI assume screen itself is still running?
09:10.08highburyLeeds: You can get wireless access ports with usb ports which allegedly can have a modem connected
09:10.26highburyI've read about them but not sure who's
09:10.35Cope_Leeds: yeah:
09:11.11Leedshighbury: I know there were ADSL 'routers' which could have the old frog plugged into them... not heard of analog ones - you'd need to setup the connection somewhere...
09:11.23Leedsactually - didn't the original apple airport have an optional modem?
09:11.27morsingrhowe: Coming tomorrow?
09:11.35Cope_sanelson 30196  0.0  0.7  2808  952 pts/11   S+   08:55   0:00 screen -rd
09:11.39LeedsCope_: is screen doing anything particularly interesting if you truss/strace it?
09:13.09Cope_attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): Operation not permitted
09:13.10Cope_attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): Operation not permitted
09:14.54Leedsyeah, the airport does it, but I don't really want to spend $200
09:15.01LeedsCope_: it's setuid
09:15.29Cope_Process 30196 attached - interrupt to quit
09:15.30Cope_write(3, "\0gsm\7\0\0\0/dev/pts/11\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 12336
09:16.14Leedsthat's it?
09:16.22Cope_that's all that is happening
09:16.49Leedswould it be a big deal if that screen session died?
09:16.57Cope_pretty big
09:17.30Leedshmm...
09:17.30Cope_would lose at least 30 mins not yet saved work in several vi sessions and a spreadsheet
09:18.10Leedswondering if there are signals you can send to screen to tell it to disconnect - they might get through if it's a bit wedged... on the other hand, they might kill it
09:18.22Cope_yeah I wondered that
09:19.22Leedson the gripping hand, if you've lost it, you've lost it and you've not much to lose trying to reclaim it
09:19.53Leedsanyway, time for my lesson... good luck and I'll be back
09:21.24Cope_ok
09:24.13wethrinBlah
09:27.28Cope_sed: -e expression #1, char 53: unknown option to `s'
09:27.37Cope_sed '/\([ 0-9]*:[0-9][0-9]*:[0-9][0-9]*\) [AP]M/{s//\1/ 1:/ 13:/;t;s/ 3:/ 15:/;t;s/ 4:/ 16:/;t;s/ 5:/ 17:/;t;s/ 6:/ 18:/;t;s/ 8:/ 20:/;t;s/ 9:/ 21:/;t;s/ 10:/ 22:/;t;s/ 11:/ 23:/;t;s/ 12:/ 00:/}' < working_ir
09:27.44wethrinMY EYES!
09:27.56Cope_yes - can I borrow them
09:28.02Cope_what have I overlooked
09:28.23wethrinThat expresiion pains me
09:28.37Cope_there's a missing s i think
09:28.45wethrinOr too many s's?
09:28.47highburyyou can lay that out more readably
09:32.04highburyif you do you should see some basic errors
09:32.18Cope_there's one error - all working
09:32.25Cope_I missed out an s
09:33.03highburyand 14 and 19
09:33.04Cope_but i'd be interested to hear how you'd set it out - i've only ever done it one one massive line, so I am sure I am making life hard for my eyes
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09:33.31Cope_no 14 and 19 are left out on purpose
09:33.32highburygive me two lines of input and I'll test my version out
09:36.17highburyleeds have you read Bob Cringleys Apple/Intel comments http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20050609.html mighty thought provoking
09:36.39Cope_leftstring B95 = "5/29/2005 9:42:37 AM"
09:36.39Cope_leftstring B96 = "5/29/2005 9:43:07 AM"
09:36.40Cope_leftstring B97 = "5/29/2005 9:43:07 AM"
09:36.40Cope_leftstring B98 = "5/30/2005 12:04:16 PM"
09:36.40Cope_leftstring B101 = "5/29/2005 9:32:20 PM"
09:36.45Cope_for example
09:39.08highburywhy not 14 and 19?
09:40.00Cope_well because on this occasion they aren't needed - its a specific solution to a specific problem; having them in would do no harm though
09:40.14Cope_and would amke it reuseable
09:40.18highburysafest
09:42.13highburygive me 5
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09:56.06highburyecho ' \
09:56.06highburyleftstring B95 = "5/29/2005 9:42:37 AM
09:56.06highburyleftstring B96 = "5/29/2005 9:43:07 AM
09:56.06highburyleftstring B97 = "5/29/2005 9:43:07 AM
09:56.06highburyleftstring B98 = "5/30/2005 12:04:16 PM
09:56.07highburyleftstring B101 = "5/29/2005 9:32:20 PM
09:56.09highbury' \
09:56.11highbury<PROTECTED>
09:56.13highburys/ PM//;
09:56.17highburys/ 1:/ 13:/;t;
09:56.19highburys/ 2:/ 14:/;t;
09:56.21highburys/ 3:/ 15:/;t;
09:56.23highburys/ 4:/ 16:/;t;
09:56.25highburys/ 5:/ 17:/;t;
09:56.27highburys/ 6:/ 18:/;t;
09:56.29highburys/ 6:/ 19:/;t;
09:56.30eye69Having fun?
09:56.31highburys/ 8:/ 20:/;t;
09:56.33highburys/ 9:/ 21:/;t;
09:56.35highburys/ 10:/ 22:/;t;
09:56.37highburys/ 11:/ 23:/;t;
09:56.39highburys/ 12:/ 00:/;t;
09:56.41highbury}' \
09:56.43highbury<PROTECTED>
09:56.47highburys/ AM//;
09:56.49highbury}'
09:56.51highbury# with actually a few more tabs to indent the s/'s
09:57.23highburyeasier in perl, but I'm too rusty to bother showing you
10:00.35Cope_and is puzzling over it
10:00.46highburyactually the trailing semicolons are redundant
10:01.04highburybut not the ones before the t's
10:18.37Cope_highbury: in my case I now have some times that look like 9:12:12 - these should be 09:12:12 etc etc
10:19.08Cope_Something like sed '/ [0-9]:/s/ 9/ 09/' works fine, but in this case is it best to simple do as before, change 1 - 01; 2 - 02; or is there a more programmatic way of achieving this?
10:22.21highburycope: I'm working on a new version
10:24.47pdrprintf %02d
10:26.46pdror just use the "date" command
10:27.15highburyyeah fix the brain damaged piece of software writing the log!
10:28.18pdrdate -d $intime +"%x %X"
10:28.49pdror even +%c
10:29.22Cope_highbury: the damaged software is me
10:29.33highburyyou should always write dates YYYY/mm/dd
10:29.42highbury<PROTECTED>
10:29.42highbury<PROTECTED>
10:29.42highbury<PROTECTED>
10:29.42highbury<PROTECTED>
10:29.42highbury<PROTECTED>
10:29.43highbury<PROTECTED>
10:29.45highbury<PROTECTED>
10:29.46Cope_highbury: yes, but tell siebel that
10:29.47highbury<PROTECTED>
10:29.49highbury<PROTECTED>
10:29.51highbury<PROTECTED>
10:29.53highbury<PROTECTED>
10:29.57highbury<PROTECTED>
10:29.59highbury<PROTECTED>
10:30.05highbury<PROTECTED>
10:30.07highbury<PROTECTED>
10:30.19wethrinSurely YYYY-MM-DD ?
10:30.25highburynow I'm not sure whether multiple -e commands is less efficient than the "t" commands
10:30.49highburyhmmm, there is an ISO standard I'm not sure of the number
10:31.14highburyyeah slashes or hyphens, I don't know if it matters
10:31.55Cope_anyway the point is the source data was in a nasty format, and I had moved it to a spreadsheet, made some mistakes in organising, and found I coudn't sort the column because the dates were stupif
10:32.12highburyI got caught out on the final line needs a back-slash before the ? I'm not sure whether that's a gnu specific *feature*
10:33.47wethrinI think ISO standard uses dashes, BICBW
10:36.45Cope_Leeds: so... signalling the b0rked screen sesison
10:37.07LeedsCope_: any luck?
10:38.21Cope_Leeds: well not sure what signals to try sending it - just a SIGHUP?
10:38.30Leedsdoes the manual suggest anything?
10:41.33Cope_Leeds: not that I can see
10:42.09Leedsyou can try HUP, but if it's not documented, there's a better chance of it dying, I suppose
10:42.22Cope_Process 18164 attached - interrupt to quit
10:42.22Cope_write(4, "\33[H\33[2J\33[37m\33[44m Welcome to #se"..., 34671) = ? ERESTARTSYS (To be restarted)
10:42.25Cope_--- SIGHUP (Hangup) @ 0 (0) ---
10:42.28Cope_write(4, "\33[H\33[2J\33[37m\33[44m Welcome to #se"..., 34671
10:42.49rhowe^q? :)
10:42.54Cope_?
10:42.57rhoweOr ^a^q?
10:43.06rhoweXon/Xoff making it appear hung?
10:43.18Cope_i'm not connected to the session
10:45.46highburycope: replace the last line with the following
10:45.55highbury<PROTECTED>
10:45.55highbury<PROTECTED>
10:45.55highbury<PROTECTED>
10:47.44highburynope sorry ...
10:47.59Cope_:)
10:51.36highburytry
10:51.38highbury<PROTECTED>
10:51.38highbury<PROTECTED>
10:51.38highbury<PROTECTED>
10:51.58highburynever underestimate the value of a decent test-suite
10:54.46LeedsCope: I think you may have to reconcile yourself to the loss of your screen session, unless you want to get into some serious debugging with a good chance of losing it anyway
10:55.37highburyJust HUP eveything in sight
10:56.41Cope_:)
10:57.00Cope_ooh
10:57.28Cope_one program under screen was fucked, sent a HUP to that, and screen came back
10:57.47Cope_woo!
10:58.11Leedswoo!
10:58.44wethrinYay!
11:02.31Leedsah, now there's a slogan if ever I heard one: "It could be worse. It could be Windows."
11:07.36Leedswell there's something I've not seen before...
11:08.14LeedsFriday afternoon is payroll time, so all the people in the office here just got up, grabbed a little tray of payslips/packets and marched out the door together to go give them to the sewing girls
11:08.14Copehighbury: teh latest recipe still leaves AM after 2 digit times <13
11:30.11Copeto which he cheerfully agreed!
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12:04.39highburyadd as second line
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12:47.58Leedshave fun tomorrow folks - well, as much as you can have, knowing I'm not there...
12:48.00Leeds:-)
14:35.58highburyitsbruce: have you posted to the news groups?
14:45.27itsbruceGoing to do that now
15:06.04highburycomp.os.linux.announce (though probably too late) also uk.comp.os.linux (might be in time)
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15:41.03laomao_cope: laomao and william return
15:42.44Copenice
15:43.00pdrpubtime.
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16:09.11laomao_laomao cries aloud
16:09.47laomao_It is so hurting that people just don't accept you no matter how hard I try
16:13.13rhoweI find that loud death metal helps in such situations
16:14.09laomao_I do want to kill myself if there is no WIlliam
16:14.21rhoweBut there is William
16:14.45laomao_For him, I have to take so much shits from people
16:14.46rhoweThough even without William, what good would the whole suicide thing do?
16:14.56rhoweYou do?
16:15.47laomao_Living everyday with people humilating me, I rather die with my indignance
16:16.05rhoweHumiliating you?
16:16.40laomao_I have been swollowing so much shits. I feel so unbearable
16:17.47laomao_I try very hard to be kind and nice to people. They just can not treat me good no mat
16:18.21rhowelaomao_: But we are nice people
16:18.38laomao_I'm not talking about you
16:19.07laomao_Maybe you tell me if I am in the right to die
16:20.32rhoweWell, everyone dies, but I think it would be very silly for you to accelerate the process
16:20.58laomao_nobody can understand how I feel.
16:21.25rhoweI'm sure that's not true
16:21.27laomao_When I'm so hurt and hopeless, people still joke around
16:21.38laomao_That is not kind
16:21.59rhoweNo, there are times when jokes aren't appropriate
16:22.35laomao_never mind. see you
16:22.42rhoweThat still leaves 8 minutes
16:41.14GeorgeI WANT TO KILL EVERYONE
16:45.55JAVwhat a happy afternoon here :D
17:09.40gregj:D
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19:48.48Georgehrmm
19:48.52Georgenobody interesting around then?
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