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01:11.44 | highbury | just updated the meeting website, Dean and AGK were discussing the schedule, but never made a final decision, so the rest is down to Dean, see you guys later today! |
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06:59.09 | gregj | highbury: cope should bring some kubunto cds with him |
06:59.26 | gregj | highbury: I planed to be there today, but I have to stay 3 weeks longer in Canada :/ |
07:04.50 | Leeds | afternoon gregj :-) |
07:32.01 | highbury | gregj: what's the IT job situation over there? |
07:32.09 | gregj | in Canada ? |
07:32.11 | gregj | Leeds: hi |
07:32.24 | gregj | I guess it's IT shortage here |
07:32.29 | highbury | gregj: yep |
07:32.35 | highbury | good morning people |
07:32.35 | gregj | ppl seem to be opensource friendly, much more than in UK |
07:32.56 | gregj | and it's cheaper than in london :-) |
07:33.42 | highbury | we're filling out the forms to go |
07:33.48 | gregj | :D |
07:33.57 | gregj | I would like to get work permit here too |
07:34.11 | gregj | but they require bsc in comp sience |
07:34.18 | gregj | that's my old problem |
07:34.24 | highbury | yep, I have enough points |
07:34.31 | gregj | and I dont :( |
07:34.51 | highbury | then you have to work on other areas to get points |
07:35.03 | highbury | e.g. learning french helps |
07:35.54 | gregj | I hate french |
07:36.14 | highbury | its the people not the language :-) |
07:36.33 | gregj | anyway, I will think about it after september |
07:36.57 | gregj | highbury: both ;] |
07:38.35 | gregj | anyways, I'm off to bed |
07:38.41 | gregj | nearly 1 pm |
07:40.44 | gregj | highbury: do they base it on points, or need ? |
07:40.56 | gregj | anyway, I guess I will have to buy diploma ;) |
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08:12.30 | highbury | gregj there's a website |
08:36.10 | highbury | http://www.canada.org.uk/visa-info/immig/e_assess.htm |
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10:04.01 | davidwinter | hey all |
10:05.54 | davidwinter | can somewhere tell me where at the Cavendish Campus the talks are going to happen? |
10:07.14 | highbury | check the website it has a map |
10:07.42 | highbury | http://gllug.org.uk/meeting-20050611.html |
10:08.46 | davidwinter | highbury: yeah - I know how to get to the Campus, but I meant the actually room :) |
10:09.04 | davidwinter | actual* |
10:10.10 | highbury | well follow the signs |
10:10.27 | highbury | its basically on the second floor |
10:10.53 | highbury | sorry I've got to go now, so hopefully see you there |
10:11.00 | davidwinter | cool. |
10:11.06 | davidwinter | yup - see you later |
10:23.19 | davidwinter | anyone here from the Westminster Uni? |
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13:42.06 | zachary | ello |
14:36.17 | gregj | hi |
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15:06.21 | zachary | gregj! And I thought everyone was at the meeting! |
15:06.29 | gregj | ;] |
15:06.32 | gregj | I just woke up |
15:06.43 | gregj | gotta take shower, and iron my shirt |
15:06.52 | gregj | http://www.osevents.com/page24.html?&MMN_position=48:14 |
15:09.14 | zachary | in Vancouver? |
15:09.23 | gregj | yep |
15:09.25 | gregj | for 3 more weeks |
15:12.49 | zachary | You should make a stop at Norfolk International Airport for a week. Plenty of booz beer is ok, but imports are accessable. And my wife is not here to nag me! |
15:16.15 | gregj | I can't go to US :/ |
15:16.21 | gregj | don't have visa, bloody visa |
15:18.52 | zachary | Just say your on vacation. Well you do look a little mischievious. |
15:29.45 | gregj | ;] |
15:29.50 | gregj | gotta go |
15:30.06 | gregj | well, they just won't let me thorugh without visa period. |
15:30.18 | gregj | which is kinda sad, but oh well |
15:38.23 | zachary | you can't even get a tourist visa? |
15:43.43 | gregj | I can |
15:43.52 | gregj | but I have to do it in PL |
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20:34.35 | *** topic/#gllug is Greater London LUG. Next meeting: Saturday 11th June 2005; Web site: http://www.gllug.org.uk; Wiki: http://wiki.gllug.org.uk; Channel stats at http://www.jonmasters.org/irc/gllug; Pictures at http://gllug.org.uk/ircphoto.html [need new piccy's] |
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21:57.32 | highbury | welcome Blissex I hope you enjoyed the meeting |
21:57.48 | Blissex | whos that? Wwho am I? |
21:57.52 | Blissex | :-) |
21:58.08 | Blissex | yes, it was pretty good, I am writing up my impressions yet. |
21:58.27 | highbury | what was you web site? |
21:58.30 | Blissex | I was especially entertainedn by XEN because I have been working on similar things for a long time. |
21:58.38 | Blissex | highbury: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/ |
21:58.52 | highbury | yeah, I'm going to try it out on my laptop |
21:59.03 | Blissex | highbury: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/swhwano05.html for my occasional reviews, the meeting review of today will be there later. |
21:59.11 | Blissex | highbury: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/swhwanno05.html for my occasional reviews, the meeting review of today will be there later. |
21:59.18 | Blissex | highbury: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/swhwAnno05.html for my occasional reviews, the meeting review of today will be there later. |
22:00.16 | Blissex | BTW, I doubt many will be back, but Xen reminded me strongly of an ancient UNIX project called UNIX/RT |
22:00.44 | Blissex | also, it is fairly similar in a cunning way to how MS Windows NT is structured... |
22:01.26 | highbury | why do you say "I doubt many will be back" ? |
22:02.07 | highbury | hey! anybody who likes Algol68 has got to be ok! :-) |
22:02.33 | Blissex | highbury: food and drink... |
22:02.51 | Blissex | highbury: food and drink... perhaps many will still be out. It's Saturday after all. |
22:02.56 | highbury | oh you mean here ... |
22:03.37 | highbury | this is pretty much the complement of people here, but many are not physically at their screens |
22:04.36 | Blissex | ack, the link to the ''occasional reviews'' page is http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/swhwAnno05.html |
22:05.00 | Blissex | highbury: you said you were home? |
22:05.01 | George | yoyo people |
22:05.04 | George | how was the meeting? |
22:05.15 | Blissex | George: you missed all the cute chicks :-) |
22:05.35 | George | good job I didn't go then |
22:06.12 | Blissex | George: the content was pretty good. Delivery a bit uneven, but the stuff was interesting. |
22:06.21 | highbury | Blissex: yes I'm home |
22:06.41 | highbury | just under 70 people turned up |
22:06.56 | George | the last one I went to, I think I saw about 5 people |
22:06.57 | George | and that was it. |
22:07.11 | George | the lecture theatre was essentially empty |
22:07.23 | George | wethrin, Leeds and a few others were in the computer room in the dungeon |
22:07.24 | Blissex | George: I haven't gone often recently, but it was never less than several dozen... |
22:07.43 | George | I've only been to two... |
22:07.47 | George | the first one had loads |
22:07.53 | George | but the last one was pretty empty |
22:08.22 | Blissex | George: what I noticed instead is that the average age seemed to be a lot higher than several LUGs I have attended. |
22:08.40 | George | heh |
22:09.21 | Blissex | George: being middle aged, the general rule was that LUG meeting I usually was among the oldest, most other being pimply, and as compensation at BCS meetings I usually was the youngest. The latter has not changed :-) |
22:13.14 | Blissex | is the guy who was asking about Debian pinning here? |
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22:19.05 | Cope | Blissex: No, he'll be on his way home |
22:19.11 | Cope | Blissex: welcome to #gllug |
22:22.37 | Blissex | Cope: thanks! |
22:27.15 | George | heya Cope |
22:30.31 | Cope | Blissex: just reading some of your website, very interesting. |
22:30.39 | Cope | hello George - how are you? |
22:30.52 | George | Cope: tired |
22:30.55 | George | Cope: I hate exams |
22:31.13 | George | yea |
22:31.20 | George | had 11 in the last three days |
22:31.29 | Cope | that's unpleasant |
22:31.34 | Cope | how many more to go? |
22:31.37 | George | 5 |
22:32.45 | George | so am I |
22:32.50 | George | but I am a bit unsure for some of my mods |
22:33.05 | George | taken 17 so far :) |
22:33.08 | Cope | mmmhmm |
22:33.32 | Cope | Blissex: what's your background, educationally and professionally? |
22:33.59 | Blissex | Cope: you dont want to know... |
22:34.05 | George | lol |
22:34.11 | Blissex | Cope: and this channel is logged :-) |
22:34.14 | George | can't be as crazy as mine :) |
22:35.15 | Blissex | Cope: I come from Milano where I did economics, then went to Aberystyth to do CS, after some years doing UNIX consulting |
22:35.49 | George | ok, maybe it can |
22:35.52 | Blissex | Cope: then did a fair bit of random work in England... |
22:37.16 | George | Cope: luckily, all the mods I've got left are a) spread out over a long time period, and b) maths. |
22:37.24 | Blissex | basically I have done a bit of academic work, a bit of commercial work, mostly in systems and database/networking, mostly in UNIX. |
22:37.46 | George | I had to learn about databases for my second computing module |
22:37.49 | George | found it very very very boring |
22:38.51 | Blissex | Cope: thanks for the appreciation! |
22:39.20 | Blissex | Cope: if you see the rather mixed bag of my notes you see I have had to deal with a lot of stuff... |
22:39.51 | Blissex | Cope: even if I mostly do put Linux based things on that site. My way of giving back to the community. |
22:41.16 | Cope | Blissex: indeed |
22:42.05 | Blissex | same with helping people on IRC.... I also develop a few things. But there are too many people who develop, and too few that have the patience to sit down and do docs and support... |
22:42.22 | Cope | yes - I quite like doing documentation |
22:42.43 | Cope | i should do more - its a good way to give back to the community, without which I wouldn't have a job. |
22:43.04 | Cope | ibot hello |
22:43.04 | ibot | hello |
22:43.12 | Cope | ibot nslookup www.rum.com |
22:43.31 | Cope | ibot whois 212.78.66.135 |
22:46.34 | George | Cope: what are you drinking? :P |
22:48.14 | Cope | George: www.rum.com |
22:49.02 | George | hrmm, ok |
22:49.15 | George | Cope: know much about sound? |
22:49.23 | George | Cope: ie - how to redirect input from line-in to line-out? |
22:50.56 | Cope | using what equipment? |
22:51.10 | Cope | do you mean a soundcard - that sort of thing? |
22:52.20 | Blissex | George: depends a whole lot, if you talk sound. |
22:54.54 | Cope | you could do something with alsamixer, capture line-in, and make a fifo |
22:56.03 | Cope | then you could play my_soundcard.wav using xmms |
22:56.16 | Blissex | George: as Cope implies, there are two ways: if your card supports it natively, you can just use the mixer. |
22:56.37 | Blissex | George: otherwise you need some program to read samples off the line in and play them on the line out. |
22:57.20 | Blissex | George: cards often have a ''loopback'' feature that reroutes sound from input channels to output channels. |
22:57.56 | George | Cope: I have a shite soundcard :) |
22:58.01 | George | Cope: VIA onboard sound |
22:58.07 | Cope | that'll be fine |
22:58.23 | George | hrmm |
22:58.24 | Cope | so what are you sending into line-in? |
22:58.29 | George | my dreamcast :) |
22:59.02 | Cope | ok; so do you have alsamixeR? |
22:59.29 | George | I will do |
22:59.30 | George | at some point |
22:59.31 | Cope | if you're still a gentoo weenie I don't know what they'd call it. |
22:59.41 | George | I'm at home at the moment, don't have access to my desktop |
22:59.46 | George | they call it alsamixer, surprisingly :P) |
23:00.04 | Cope | if you're running something sensible like debian, apt-get install alsa-utils |
23:00.12 | Blissex | George: I have a VIA too... |
23:00.25 | George | er, that'd be alsamixergui for the gui, or alsa-utils for alsamixer |
23:00.33 | Cope | cool |
23:00.35 | George | Blissex: ah |
23:00.45 | Blissex | George: its not that bad, just a bit annoying. |
23:00.47 | George | I have 6-channel sound too |
23:00.48 | George | bleh |
23:00.58 | George | Blissex: do you know how to get bass/treble mixers? |
23:01.03 | George | s/mixers/vol controls/ |
23:02.23 | Blissex | George: I suggest enormously that you get http://www.sabi.co.uk/Cfg/ALSA/asound.conf and install it as is as '/etc/asound.conf' BTW |
23:02.37 | George | why? |
23:03.07 | Blissex | George: it will handle a few limitations of the VIA chipset, like lack of sound sharing and some potential sound quality and latency issues. |
23:03.53 | George | hrmm |
23:04.37 | Blissex | George: as to the mixer, I suggest this: get the latest/greatest 'alsa-utils', create a rather wide terminal window, and run 'alsamixer' and then press 'F5' to see _all_ the controls. |
23:04.59 | Blissex | George: if you ahve Debian just install as advised by Cope |
23:05.10 | George | I'm on gentoo :P |
23:05.18 | George | and yeah, I know how to install stuff :) |
23:06.19 | Blissex | George: ah Gentoo, you are one of _them_ ;-) |
23:06.33 | George | yes, I'm amazing |
23:06.50 | George | "I don't even mind that it displays the weather for Oslo, Minnesota instead of Oslo, Norway. Since both places have equally bad wheather, the forecast is usually right." |
23:06.53 | George | hahaha |
23:07.08 | Cope | George is someone who has nothing better to do with own and his processor's time than to compile software. |
23:07.17 | George | yeah |
23:07.21 | George | precisely |
23:07.23 | George | what Cope said |
23:07.27 | George | then again |
23:07.31 | George | I have a fast processor |
23:07.32 | George | so ner. |
23:08.12 | Blissex | George: because KDE is not part of your distribution? :-) |
23:08.14 | Cope | sanelson@tal:~$ grep -i mhz /proc/cpuinfo |
23:08.15 | Cope | cpu MHz : 348.205 |
23:08.35 | George | Blissex: no, because I compile KDE separately to the Gentoo stuff |
23:08.40 | George | Cope: heh |
23:08.54 | Blissex | George: you got the full glory of 'alsamixer' up in a wide terminal window? after having pressed 'F5'? |
23:08.55 | George | george@aluminium ~ $ grep -i mhz /proc/cpuinfo |
23:08.56 | George | clock : 1249MHz |
23:09.06 | George | Blissex: I don't have access to my computer |
23:09.11 | George | Blissex: I'm at home, not at school |
23:09.47 | Blissex | George: ahhhhh, lets say that doing temporal shifting on ALSA problems is not too great. There are many fiddly details. |
23:10.10 | George | and I can get a VERY wide terminal on my desktop :D |
23:10.35 | Blissex | George: however in the meantime, you could read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html |
23:11.02 | Blissex | George: the introductory part explains a bit how the mixer works, and the difference between the various types of channels/controls |
23:11.47 | Cope | hello old chap |
23:12.32 | Blissex | George: when you got your PC in front of you try joining #ALSA, there are often people there. |
23:12.47 | George | Blissex: #alsa is useless |
23:12.52 | Cope | heh |
23:13.00 | Blissex | George: not when I am there... |
23:13.04 | Cope | ibot attack george |
23:13.05 | ibot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing george |
23:13.10 | George | 'she'? |
23:13.12 | George | WTF |
23:13.18 | George | ALL THESE YEARS I'VE THOUGHT IBOT IS A MAN |
23:13.33 | Cope | George: you can stop fantasising now |
23:16.39 | Cope | Blissex: George likes Latin |
23:16.53 | rhowe | Cope: Heya |
23:16.53 | George | I do? |
23:16.58 | George | ...since when? |
23:17.02 | Blissex | Cope: o tempora o mores? :-) |
23:17.04 | rhowe | Cope: Only saw Sandra for a few minutes :( |
23:17.21 | rhowe | So forgive me if I'm unresponsive |
23:17.27 | Cope | understood |
23:17.30 | Cope | where are you? |
23:17.46 | rhowe | Cope: I still got a bit of a hug out of her, but I don't think there's much of a future with her :( |
23:18.16 | George | flooble |
23:18.19 | rhowe | Cope: Loughborough |
23:18.28 | rhowe | Cope: Manchester tommorrow |
23:18.56 | Cope | Blissex: Senatus haec intellegit. consul videt; hic tamen vivit. Vivit? |
23:20.01 | Blissex | Cope: nope, got no life, here or otherwise... |
23:20.28 | Cope | George: google for cicero contra catalina |
23:21.15 | Blissex | George: IIRC the senate investigated/understood the matter; the magistrate saw it; here once he lived? Did he live? |
23:21.47 | Blissex | George: I am a bit less sure about 'tamen' meaning 'once' though. Bah! |
23:21.54 | George | the senate understands these things. the consul sees; however he lived here. did he live? |
23:21.55 | Blissex | So many years ago. |
23:21.58 | George | that's my translation |
23:22.04 | George | tamen = however |
23:22.25 | Cope | George: apologies - google for cicero against catalina - much better hit rate |
23:22.50 | highbury | absque labore nihil |
23:22.58 | highbury | night night folks |
23:23.56 | George | latin sucks. |
23:29.48 | Blissex | George: no, it is pretty cool, and there is so much great literature in it. |
23:29.57 | George | blah, latin sucks. |