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01:11.44highburyjust updated the meeting website, Dean and AGK were discussing the schedule, but never made a final decision, so the rest is down to Dean, see you guys later today!
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06:59.09gregjhighbury: cope should bring some kubunto cds with him
06:59.26gregjhighbury: I planed to be there today, but I have to stay 3 weeks longer in Canada :/
07:04.50Leedsafternoon gregj :-)
07:32.01highburygregj: what's the IT job situation over there?
07:32.09gregjin Canada ?
07:32.11gregjLeeds: hi
07:32.24gregjI guess it's IT shortage here
07:32.29highburygregj: yep
07:32.35highburygood morning people
07:32.35gregjppl seem to be opensource friendly, much more than in UK
07:32.56gregjand it's cheaper than in london :-)
07:33.42highburywe're filling out the forms to go
07:33.48gregj:D
07:33.57gregjI would like to get work permit here too
07:34.11gregjbut they require bsc in comp sience
07:34.18gregjthat's my old problem
07:34.24highburyyep, I have enough points
07:34.31gregjand I dont :(
07:34.51highburythen you have to work on other areas to get points
07:35.03highburye.g. learning french helps
07:35.54gregjI hate french
07:36.14highburyits the people not the language :-)
07:36.33gregjanyway, I will think about it after september
07:36.57gregjhighbury: both ;]
07:38.35gregjanyways, I'm off to bed
07:38.41gregjnearly 1 pm
07:40.44gregjhighbury: do they base it on points, or need ?
07:40.56gregjanyway, I guess I will have to buy diploma ;)
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08:12.30highburygregj there's a website
08:36.10highburyhttp://www.canada.org.uk/visa-info/immig/e_assess.htm
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10:04.01davidwinterhey all
10:05.54davidwintercan somewhere tell me where at the Cavendish Campus the talks are going to happen?
10:07.14highburycheck the website it has a map
10:07.42highburyhttp://gllug.org.uk/meeting-20050611.html
10:08.46davidwinterhighbury: yeah - I know how to get to the Campus, but I meant the actually room :)
10:09.04davidwinteractual*
10:10.10highburywell follow the signs
10:10.27highburyits basically on the second floor
10:10.53highburysorry I've got to go now, so hopefully see you there
10:11.00davidwintercool.
10:11.06davidwinteryup - see you later
10:23.19davidwinteranyone here from the Westminster Uni?
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13:42.06zacharyello
14:36.17gregjhi
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15:06.21zacharygregj! And I thought everyone was at the meeting!
15:06.29gregj;]
15:06.32gregjI just woke up
15:06.43gregjgotta take shower, and iron my shirt
15:06.52gregjhttp://www.osevents.com/page24.html?&MMN_position=48:14
15:09.14zacharyin Vancouver?
15:09.23gregjyep
15:09.25gregjfor 3 more weeks
15:12.49zacharyYou should make a stop at Norfolk International Airport for a week. Plenty of booz beer is ok, but imports are accessable. And my wife is not here to nag me!
15:16.15gregjI can't go to US :/
15:16.21gregjdon't have visa, bloody visa
15:18.52zacharyJust say your on vacation. Well you do look a little mischievious.
15:29.45gregj;]
15:29.50gregjgotta go
15:30.06gregjwell, they just won't let me thorugh without visa period.
15:30.18gregjwhich is kinda sad, but oh well
15:38.23zacharyyou can't even get a tourist visa?
15:43.43gregjI can
15:43.52gregjbut I have to do it in PL
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20:34.35*** topic/#gllug is Greater London LUG. Next meeting: Saturday 11th June 2005; Web site: http://www.gllug.org.uk; Wiki: http://wiki.gllug.org.uk; Channel stats at http://www.jonmasters.org/irc/gllug; Pictures at http://gllug.org.uk/ircphoto.html [need new piccy's]
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21:57.32highburywelcome Blissex I hope you enjoyed the meeting
21:57.48Blissexwhos that? Wwho am I?
21:57.52Blissex:-)
21:58.08Blissexyes, it was pretty good, I am writing up my impressions yet.
21:58.27highburywhat was you web site?
21:58.30BlissexI was especially entertainedn by XEN because I have been working on similar things for a long time.
21:58.38Blissexhighbury: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/
21:58.52highburyyeah, I'm going to try it out on my laptop
21:59.03Blissexhighbury: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/swhwano05.html for my occasional reviews, the meeting review of today will be there later.
21:59.11Blissexhighbury: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/swhwanno05.html for my occasional reviews, the meeting review of today will be there later.
21:59.18Blissexhighbury: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/swhwAnno05.html for my occasional reviews, the meeting review of today will be there later.
22:00.16BlissexBTW, I doubt many will be back, but Xen reminded me strongly of an ancient UNIX project called UNIX/RT
22:00.44Blissexalso, it is fairly similar in a cunning way to how MS Windows NT is structured...
22:01.26highburywhy do you say "I doubt many will be back" ?
22:02.07highburyhey! anybody who likes Algol68 has got to be ok! :-)
22:02.33Blissexhighbury: food and drink...
22:02.51Blissexhighbury: food and drink... perhaps many will still be out. It's Saturday after all.
22:02.56highburyoh you mean here ...
22:03.37highburythis is pretty much the complement of people here, but many are not physically at their screens
22:04.36Blissexack, the link to the ''occasional reviews'' page is http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/swhwAnno05.html
22:05.00Blissexhighbury: you said you were home?
22:05.01Georgeyoyo people
22:05.04Georgehow was the meeting?
22:05.15BlissexGeorge: you missed all the cute chicks :-)
22:05.35Georgegood job I didn't go then
22:06.12BlissexGeorge: the content was pretty good. Delivery a bit uneven, but the stuff was interesting.
22:06.21highburyBlissex: yes I'm home
22:06.41highburyjust under 70 people turned up
22:06.56Georgethe last one I went to, I think I saw about 5 people
22:06.57Georgeand that was it.
22:07.11Georgethe lecture theatre was essentially empty
22:07.23Georgewethrin, Leeds and a few others were in the computer room in the dungeon
22:07.24BlissexGeorge: I haven't gone often recently, but it was never less than several dozen...
22:07.43GeorgeI've only been to two...
22:07.47Georgethe first one had loads
22:07.53Georgebut the last one was pretty empty
22:08.22BlissexGeorge: what I noticed instead is that the average age seemed to be a lot higher than several LUGs I have attended.
22:08.40Georgeheh
22:09.21BlissexGeorge: being middle aged, the general rule was that LUG meeting I usually was among the oldest, most other being pimply, and as compensation at BCS meetings I usually was the youngest. The latter has not changed :-)
22:13.14Blissexis the guy who was asking about Debian pinning here?
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22:19.05CopeBlissex: No, he'll be on his way home
22:19.11CopeBlissex: welcome to #gllug
22:22.37BlissexCope: thanks!
22:27.15Georgeheya Cope
22:30.31CopeBlissex: just reading some of your website, very interesting.
22:30.39Copehello George - how are you?
22:30.52GeorgeCope: tired
22:30.55GeorgeCope: I hate exams
22:31.13Georgeyea
22:31.20Georgehad 11 in the last three days
22:31.29Copethat's unpleasant
22:31.34Copehow many more to go?
22:31.37George5
22:32.45Georgeso am I
22:32.50Georgebut I am a bit unsure for some of my mods
22:33.05Georgetaken 17 so far :)
22:33.08Copemmmhmm
22:33.32CopeBlissex: what's your background, educationally and professionally?
22:33.59BlissexCope: you dont want to know...
22:34.05Georgelol
22:34.11BlissexCope: and this channel is logged :-)
22:34.14Georgecan't be as crazy as mine :)
22:35.15BlissexCope: I come from Milano where I did economics, then went to Aberystyth to do CS, after some years doing UNIX consulting
22:35.49Georgeok, maybe it can
22:35.52BlissexCope: then did a fair bit of random work in England...
22:37.16GeorgeCope: luckily, all the mods I've got left are a) spread out over a long time period, and b) maths.
22:37.24Blissexbasically I have done a bit of academic work, a bit of commercial work, mostly in systems and database/networking, mostly in UNIX.
22:37.46GeorgeI had to learn about databases for my second computing module
22:37.49Georgefound it very very very boring
22:38.51BlissexCope: thanks for the appreciation!
22:39.20BlissexCope: if you see the rather mixed bag of my notes you see I have had to deal with a lot of stuff...
22:39.51BlissexCope: even if I mostly do put Linux based things on that site. My way of giving back to the community.
22:41.16CopeBlissex: indeed
22:42.05Blissexsame with helping people on IRC.... I also develop a few things. But there are too many people who develop, and too few that have the patience to sit down and do docs and support...
22:42.22Copeyes - I quite like doing documentation
22:42.43Copei should do more - its a good way to  give back to the community, without which I wouldn't have a job.
22:43.04Copeibot hello
22:43.04ibothello
22:43.12Copeibot nslookup www.rum.com
22:43.31Copeibot whois 212.78.66.135
22:46.34GeorgeCope: what are you drinking? :P
22:48.14CopeGeorge: www.rum.com
22:49.02Georgehrmm, ok
22:49.15GeorgeCope: know much about sound?
22:49.23GeorgeCope: ie - how to redirect input from line-in to line-out?
22:50.56Copeusing what equipment?
22:51.10Copedo you mean a soundcard - that sort of thing?
22:52.20BlissexGeorge: depends a whole lot, if you talk sound.
22:54.54Copeyou could do something with alsamixer, capture line-in, and make a fifo
22:56.03Copethen you could play my_soundcard.wav using xmms
22:56.16BlissexGeorge: as Cope implies, there are two ways: if your card supports it natively, you can just use the mixer.
22:56.37BlissexGeorge: otherwise you need some program to read samples off the line in and play them on the line out.
22:57.20BlissexGeorge: cards often have a ''loopback'' feature that reroutes sound from input channels to output channels.
22:57.56GeorgeCope: I have a shite soundcard :)
22:58.01GeorgeCope: VIA onboard sound
22:58.07Copethat'll be fine
22:58.23Georgehrmm
22:58.24Copeso what are you sending into line-in?
22:58.29Georgemy dreamcast :)
22:59.02Copeok; so do you have alsamixeR?
22:59.29GeorgeI will do
22:59.30Georgeat some point
22:59.31Copeif you're still a gentoo weenie I don't know what they'd call it.
22:59.41GeorgeI'm at home at the moment, don't have access to my desktop
22:59.46Georgethey call it alsamixer, surprisingly :P)
23:00.04Copeif you're running something sensible like debian, apt-get install alsa-utils
23:00.12BlissexGeorge: I have a VIA too...
23:00.25Georgeer, that'd be alsamixergui for the gui, or alsa-utils for alsamixer
23:00.33Copecool
23:00.35GeorgeBlissex: ah
23:00.45BlissexGeorge: its not that bad, just a bit annoying.
23:00.47GeorgeI have 6-channel sound too
23:00.48Georgebleh
23:00.58GeorgeBlissex: do you know how to get bass/treble mixers?
23:01.03Georges/mixers/vol controls/
23:02.23BlissexGeorge: I suggest enormously that you get http://www.sabi.co.uk/Cfg/ALSA/asound.conf and install it as is as '/etc/asound.conf' BTW
23:02.37Georgewhy?
23:03.07BlissexGeorge: it will handle a few limitations of the VIA chipset, like lack of sound sharing and some potential sound quality and latency issues.
23:03.53Georgehrmm
23:04.37BlissexGeorge: as to the mixer, I suggest this: get the latest/greatest 'alsa-utils', create a rather wide terminal window, and run 'alsamixer' and then press 'F5' to see _all_ the controls.
23:04.59BlissexGeorge: if you ahve Debian just install as advised by Cope
23:05.10GeorgeI'm on gentoo :P
23:05.18Georgeand yeah, I know how to install stuff :)
23:06.19BlissexGeorge: ah Gentoo, you are one of _them_ ;-)
23:06.33Georgeyes, I'm amazing
23:06.50George"I don't even mind that it displays the weather for Oslo, Minnesota instead of Oslo, Norway. Since both places have equally bad wheather, the forecast is usually right."
23:06.53Georgehahaha
23:07.08CopeGeorge is someone who has nothing better to do with own and his processor's time than to compile software.
23:07.17Georgeyeah
23:07.21Georgeprecisely
23:07.23Georgewhat Cope said
23:07.27Georgethen again
23:07.31GeorgeI have a fast processor
23:07.32Georgeso ner.
23:08.12BlissexGeorge: because KDE is not part of your distribution? :-)
23:08.14Copesanelson@tal:~$ grep -i mhz /proc/cpuinfo
23:08.15Copecpu MHz         : 348.205
23:08.35GeorgeBlissex: no, because I compile KDE separately to the Gentoo stuff
23:08.40GeorgeCope: heh
23:08.54BlissexGeorge: you got the full glory of 'alsamixer' up in a wide terminal window? after having pressed 'F5'?
23:08.55Georgegeorge@aluminium ~ $ grep -i mhz /proc/cpuinfo
23:08.56Georgeclock           : 1249MHz
23:09.06GeorgeBlissex: I don't have access to my computer
23:09.11GeorgeBlissex: I'm at home, not at school
23:09.47BlissexGeorge: ahhhhh, lets say that doing temporal shifting on ALSA problems is not too great. There are many fiddly details.
23:10.10Georgeand I can get a VERY wide terminal on my desktop :D
23:10.35BlissexGeorge: however in the meantime, you could read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html
23:11.02BlissexGeorge: the introductory part explains a bit how the mixer works, and the difference between the various types of channels/controls
23:11.47Copehello old chap
23:12.32BlissexGeorge: when you got your PC in front of you try joining #ALSA, there are often people there.
23:12.47GeorgeBlissex: #alsa is useless
23:12.52Copeheh
23:13.00BlissexGeorge: not when I am there...
23:13.04Copeibot attack george
23:13.05ibotACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing george
23:13.10George'she'?
23:13.12GeorgeWTF
23:13.18GeorgeALL THESE YEARS I'VE THOUGHT IBOT IS A MAN
23:13.33CopeGeorge: you can stop fantasising now
23:16.39CopeBlissex: George likes Latin
23:16.53rhoweCope: Heya
23:16.53GeorgeI do?
23:16.58George...since when?
23:17.02BlissexCope: o tempora o mores? :-)
23:17.04rhoweCope: Only saw Sandra for a few minutes :(
23:17.21rhoweSo forgive me if I'm unresponsive
23:17.27Copeunderstood
23:17.30Copewhere are you?
23:17.46rhoweCope: I still got a bit of a hug out of her, but I don't think there's much of a future with her :(
23:18.16Georgeflooble
23:18.19rhoweCope: Loughborough
23:18.28rhoweCope: Manchester tommorrow
23:18.56CopeBlissex: Senatus haec intellegit. consul videt; hic tamen vivit. Vivit?
23:20.01BlissexCope: nope, got no life, here or otherwise...
23:20.28CopeGeorge: google for cicero contra catalina
23:21.15BlissexGeorge: IIRC the senate investigated/understood the matter; the magistrate saw it; here once he lived? Did he live?
23:21.47BlissexGeorge: I am a bit less sure about 'tamen' meaning 'once' though. Bah!
23:21.54Georgethe senate understands these things. the consul sees; however he lived here. did he live?
23:21.55BlissexSo many years ago.
23:21.58Georgethat's my translation
23:22.04Georgetamen = however
23:22.25CopeGeorge: apologies - google for cicero against catalina - much better hit rate
23:22.50highburyabsque labore nihil
23:22.58highburynight night folks
23:23.56Georgelatin sucks.
23:29.48BlissexGeorge: no, it is pretty cool, and there is so much great literature in it.
23:29.57Georgeblah, latin sucks.

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