| 00:01.24 | Cope | mmm nice |
| 00:01.24 | rhowe | $random girl with bf |
| 00:01.24 | Cope | 7:59pm up 1373 day(s), 7:17, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.10, 0.12 |
| 00:17.12 | gregj | rhowe: girls with bf are not good :-) |
| 00:17.23 | rhowe | gregj: haha this one is fun to talk to |
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| 00:24.13 | Cope | hello Agent99 |
| 00:31.35 | gregj | ok, enough work, gotta go home :-) |
| 00:31.42 | Cope | heh |
| 00:33.30 | gregj | funny, I have to call polish telecom, and for that I have to wait till midnight :-) |
| 00:33.36 | gregj | (midnight here) |
| 01:15.32 | rhowe | http://www.insultmonger.com/jokes/pedophile_jokes.htm |
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| 01:27.16 | Cope | AngelChild: go to bed |
| 01:27.35 | AngelChild | why? |
| 01:27.38 | rhowe | A man walks into a bar and orders 6 shots of tequila. The bartender asks, "Why so many buddy?" The man replies, "I'm celebrating my first blow job". The bartender says, "Well hell, congratulations, I will give you one on the house for free." The man says, "No thank you, if the first 6 shots don't get the taste out of my mouth one more won't make a difference." |
| 01:27.40 | AngelChild | I sleep on EST time anyway |
| 01:28.19 | gregj | What did the pedophile say when he was released from prison? |
| 01:28.19 | gregj | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.22 | gregj | oouch |
| 01:29.04 | rhowe | gregj: Oh there's worse :) |
| 01:29.10 | gregj | yeah |
| 01:29.11 | gregj | :D |
| 01:29.28 | gregj | you can't expect any girl to like it thou ;) |
| 01:30.18 | rhowe | haha I sent it to this girl I was just chatting to |
| 01:30.49 | gregj | and ? |
| 01:31.00 | gregj | maybe I should start picking girls on icq here in Van too |
| 01:31.04 | gregj | but I have no idea how to do it -) |
| 01:42.07 | AngelChild | girls aren't that different from guys, despite what either sex says |
| 01:46.50 | gregj | I presume it's not very good way to call a face this way |
| 01:50.22 | gregj | rhowe: no luck so far |
| 02:03.45 | gregj | |A new teacher was trying to make use of her psychology courses. She started her class by saying, "Everyone who thinks you're stupid, stand up!" |
| 02:03.48 | gregj | | |
| 02:03.51 | gregj | | After a few seconds, Little Johnny stood up. The teacher said, "Do you think you're stupid, Little Johnny?" |
| 02:03.54 | gregj | | |
| 02:03.56 | gregj | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.59 | gregj | :D |
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| 06:22.07 | mozrat | Good Morning ibot and how are you on this fine sunny morning? |
| 06:22.22 | mozrat | ibot wake up |
| 06:22.24 | ibot | up: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 06:22.28 | mozrat | ibot Good Morning |
| 06:22.29 | ibot | i guess good morning is a contradiction in terms |
| 06:22.50 | mozrat | ibot sing |
| 06:22.51 | ibot | "Night fever, night fever. You know how to do it!" |
| 06:50.28 | mozrat | eeeep, windows cluster is broken |
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| 07:29.09 | morsing | morning |
| 07:31.26 | mozrat | hello morsing |
| 07:43.20 | morsing | Nice day isn't it? |
| 07:48.30 | mozrat | Hmmm nice for ducks |
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| 08:23.16 | Leeds | Hey hey! |
| 08:45.42 | Cope | hello laomao_ |
| 08:45.46 | Cope | Leeds too |
| 08:48.20 | highbury | morning |
| 09:01.41 | Cope | what are ps personailities? |
| 09:02.20 | Leeds | and now I'm off... have a good day all |
| 09:07.06 | highbury | well ps can allegedly try and make its output look like the ps's of other unix systems, I was running a remote ps command, and it asked me to set its personality, mostly as I'd mistakenley typed "ps -ax" rather than "ps ax" |
| 09:09.54 | Cope | oh right - yes I know what you mean |
| 09:11.13 | Cope | unix98, bsd and gnu |
| 09:11.30 | Cope | and you can't mix unix908 and bsd styles |
| 09:12.17 | highbury | I needed to test whether a remote process was running |
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| 09:21.14 | highbury | + ssh cloudberry 'ssh -f -N -L 24800:192.168.0.2:24800 192.168.0.2; sleep 2; synergyc localhost' |
| 09:21.18 | highbury | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). |
| 09:21.49 | highbury | I'm trying to automate setting up a ssh tunnel remotely |
| 09:28.33 | Cope | highbury: ls doc10.1\ \(version\ 1\).doc | tr -c '[:alnum:][.][\n]' '_' | tr -s '_' | xargs mv doc10.1\ \(version\ 1\).doc |
| 09:29.05 | Cope | highbury: what's the best way of making that work for the set doc* and passing doc* to xargs so it moves as it lists? |
| 09:29.29 | Cope | just a loop? |
| 09:32.22 | highbury | what are you trying to do? |
| 09:33.26 | Cope | I have a bunch of files I've been sent of the form doc[some number][some other spaces and stupid characters].doc |
| 09:33.46 | Cope | which I am converting to doc_10_1_version_10.1.3_beta.doc |
| 09:34.04 | Cope | the above works perfectly for one instance |
| 09:34.12 | Cope | but I have about 20 docs |
| 09:41.07 | highbury | ok your better off creating a command file, rather thatn trying to fight with xargs |
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| 09:41.46 | itsbruce | Morning |
| 09:42.06 | Cope | Morning Bruce |
| 09:42.16 | Cope | highbury: yeah done that; was just playing really. |
| 09:42.40 | highbury | ls *.doc | sed -e 's/[()]/_/g' -e 's/.*/mv & &/ |
| 09:43.33 | highbury | your tr command syntax is not really right, your really trying to use tr like sed. just use sed! |
| 09:44.08 | highbury | hmm itsbruce might be able to answer my question :-) |
| 09:44.14 | Cope | highbury: nah; I used tr because I wanted to change everything that wasn't alphanumeric, . or end of line; as the docs have silly names. |
| 09:44.29 | Cope | highbury: what's your question - did I miss something? |
| 09:46.31 | highbury | itsbruce: I'm trying to ssh into a machine in order to set up a ssh tunnel back. so say I'm running on 192.168.0.2 and want to set up a remote tunnell on "cloudberry" I'd type |
| 09:46.42 | highbury | # ssh cloudberry 'ssh -f -N -L 24800:192.168.0.2:24800 192.168.0.2' |
| 09:47.33 | highbury | cloudberry *trusts" 192.168.0.2 so the first ssh doesn't prompt for a password |
| 09:47.37 | highbury | but I'm getting the error message |
| 09:47.45 | highbury | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). |
| 09:48.21 | morsing | Put -vv on |
| 09:48.27 | highbury | which I presume is because 192.168.0.2 requires a password from cloudberry in order to set up the tunnel? |
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| 09:52.25 | Cope | highbury: will you be the same user? |
| 09:52.30 | wethrin | Morning |
| 09:53.14 | highbury | well if I run it manually on cloudberry I get a password prompt, but not if I run it via ssh from another machine |
| 09:54.06 | highbury | Cope: yes, but its on an untrusted machine, so cloudberry trusts 192.168.0.2 but not the other way |
| 09:54.19 | Cope | highbury: from your local machine: ssh -R 24800:192.168.0:22 cloudberry |
| 09:54.29 | Cope | highbury: then on cloudberry ssh -p 24800 |
| 09:54.35 | Cope | now you have a 2 way tunnel |
| 09:58.49 | highbury | that last command "ssh -p 24800" failed with a usage error, and the first one just appeared to log me into cloudberry |
| 10:00.01 | Cope | highbury: you need localhost |
| 10:00.12 | Cope | highbury: ssh localhost -p 24800 |
| 10:00.50 | morsing | It's wethrin |
| 10:01.07 | Cope | highbury: now cloudberry is 'listening' on 24800 - and you can use that tunnel |
| 10:01.14 | wethrin | It is |
| 10:01.44 | highbury | err ok that logs me into cloudberry and back again, so its tying up a login session |
| 10:02.01 | Cope | highbury: well, yes |
| 10:02.32 | highbury | what I want to do is initiate the tunnel then leave it running |
| 10:03.00 | highbury | basically so I can run synergy (mouse/keyboard) over the encyrpted tunnel |
| 10:03.54 | Cope | highbury: you have - I don't understand your problem; tunnels are two-way; you now have a tunnel between your local machine and cloudberry, and -from- cloudberry you can go back down the tunnel by using port 24800 on that machine. Unless I've totally misunderstood what you're trying to do. |
| 10:06.11 | highbury | yeah but I just want the tunnel set up, not to run a terminal session over it |
| 10:07.01 | highbury | all that's supposed to travel on it, is information to and from the synergy program |
| 10:07.35 | Cope | ok |
| 10:08.03 | Cope | well, how about setting up key-based authentication between cloudberry and your localmachine, without a pass key |
| 10:08.13 | Cope | then your initial method should work |
| 10:08.42 | highbury | ahh, yep I guess that would do, that would avoid it trying to ask for a password |
| 10:12.46 | highbury | can you talk me through that? |
| 10:13.12 | rhowe | highbury: Just run it in a detached screen session :) |
| 10:33.31 | Cope | highbury: sorry was getting tea |
| 10:34.54 | Cope | highbury: have you created a keypair? |
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| 10:43.47 | highbury | brb |
| 10:52.47 | highbury | re |
| 10:54.01 | Cope | :) |
| 11:03.42 | highbury | ok, where's a good resource for helping me, any decent web-pages? |
| 11:04.54 | Cope | heh |
| 11:05.07 | Cope | Its not difficult |
| 11:05.11 | Cope | 1) Create a key pair |
| 11:05.39 | Cope | 2) Move/add your public key to ~/authorized_hosts on the remote machine |
| 11:05.55 | Cope | 3) Ensure authorize_hosts is chmod'd 600 |
| 11:06.00 | Cope | that's it |
| 11:06.42 | highbury | now breakdown (1) |
| 11:06.48 | Cope | but only do this if you completely trust cloudberry |
| 11:07.21 | highbury | no I don't |
| 11:07.38 | Cope | because otherwise anyone with access to your account automatically gets access to 192.168.0.2, because your keys are not keyphrase protected |
| 11:07.49 | Cope | if your tunnel is up, or if its routable |
| 11:10.11 | highbury | well they would only get access using the protocol of the specific port opened |
| 11:11.14 | highbury | but yeah, going back to the beginning, if we call 192.168.0.2 my server and cloudebrry my client, I want the client to trust the server, but the server should only trust the client if it initiates the connection in the first place |
| 11:15.50 | Cope | well in this case, someone who has access to the highbury account on cloudberry has access to your public key, and could ssh to your 'server' if the tunnel had been initiated by you. Is that likely? |
| 11:16.12 | rhowe | Extra point to note about unencrypted SSH keys |
| 11:16.24 | rhowe | Bad idea if $HOME is on an NFS mount :) |
| 11:16.27 | Cope | indeed |
| 11:17.51 | Cope | but anyway, creating the keys is easy: ssh-keygen -t dsa -b 1280 |
| 11:19.09 | morsing | *yawn* |
| 11:25.47 | rhowe | I wonder if baked beans are nice if you mix cocoa powder in with them |
| 11:25.56 | wethrin | strange person.... |
| 11:28.06 | highbury | so do I need the pass-phrase? |
| 11:31.52 | Cope | not to do what you are trying to do |
| 11:31.59 | Cope | that's the whole point |
| 11:33.23 | Cope | nah that's getting too hacky |
| 11:33.27 | rhowe | Poor-man's kerberos :) |
| 11:33.31 | Cope | indeed |
| 11:58.40 | Cope | mmm tea |
| 12:18.43 | highbury | Cope: can I generate the public key pair on the server, or must that be done on the client |
| 12:28.38 | Cope | highbury: Its easier on the server, as that's where the private key will reside. |
| 12:32.22 | Cope | Then you can do something like cat ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub | ssh remote_server "cat - >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys" |
| 12:33.01 | Cope | or use scp from your 'server' if you prefer |
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| 12:38.55 | morsing | Cope? |
| 12:39.08 | morsing | Hi AngelChild. Haven't seen you in a while |
| 12:39.19 | Cope | morsing: yes dude |
| 12:39.32 | morsing | I didn't get an email yesterday |
| 12:39.40 | Cope | morsing: oh - let me pester |
| 12:39.45 | Cope | phoning.... |
| 12:39.45 | AngelChild | heya |
| 12:40.27 | AngelChild | kernel configuration is slightly less fun than eating tuna sandwiches |
| 12:40.38 | AngelChild | according to my current day's schedule of events |
| 12:40.45 | highbury | ok, so on the server I've created id_dsa-synergy and id_dsa-synergy.pub; I've added id_dsa-synergy.pub to the end of .ssh/authorized keys on the client |
| 12:43.07 | Cope | nice |
| 12:43.16 | Cope | morsing: ah - $contact is on holiday |
| 12:43.45 | Cope | morsing: but I've asked $contact.friend to contact you |
| 12:44.27 | Cope | highbury: best to test the ssh from cloud to 192 |
| 12:44.36 | Cope | see if it connects without password |
| 12:47.28 | eye69 | highbury: It might need to be authorized_keys2 |
| 12:49.05 | Cope | eye69: not necessary |
| 12:50.01 | Cope | eye69: at least I've never had to, is what I mean - authorized_keys has always worked |
| 12:52.04 | eye69 | not necessary =~ might |
| 12:52.34 | Cope | indeed |
| 12:52.36 | Cope | :-) |
| 12:52.50 | eye69 | Or actually: not necessarily =~ might |
| 13:02.31 | Cope | when mv-ing a file, what's the process? does it 'copy' the file first, and only delete the original upon sucessful completion? does this mean if mv-ing a large file, one needs enough free space to accomodate two copies of the large file? what happens if the process is interrupted? is the data lost? |
| 13:02.45 | Cope | (assuming moving on the same filesystem) |
| 13:04.15 | pdr | on the same file system it won't copy the file at all, just make a new directory entry pointing at the file, and remove the old directory entry |
| 13:04.38 | pdr | if moving to a different filesystem, it will indeed copy before removing |
| 13:04.41 | Cope | ie it just rewrites inodes |
| 13:04.59 | pdr | it's like a ln followed by rm |
| 13:05.21 | pdr | so yeah, it will keep the same inodes |
| 13:09.53 | Cope | Apparently mv is an atomic process by POSIX standards anyway. |
| 13:10.28 | pdr | nice to know |
| 13:12.18 | rhowe | I don't think mv is required to support moving across filesystems, is it? |
| 13:12.23 | rhowe | At least traditionally |
| 13:13.56 | JAV | hello |
| 13:15.15 | Cope | hola |
| 13:18.08 | pdr | rhowe: true, it didn't work on early linux systems |
| 13:22.25 | rhowe | Linux doesn't have mv :) |
| 13:22.39 | Cope | heh |
| 13:23.31 | rhowe | pdr, Cope: Coming out tonight? |
| 13:23.45 | Cope | what is ANB? |
| 13:23.54 | rhowe | http://www.aintnothinbut.co.uk/ |
| 13:24.02 | rhowe | Blues bar off Regent St, near the apple store |
| 13:24.06 | rhowe | brb phone |
| 13:24.50 | pdr | rhowe: yep, i was actually going there anyway coincidentally |
| 13:25.14 | morsing | Where can I stay cheap near W1S Friday night? |
| 13:25.32 | pdr | W1 has some very nice gutters |
| 13:28.58 | rhowe | pdr: Tonight? |
| 13:57.18 | rhowe | o/~ We're all living in America, it's wunderbar |
| 14:02.30 | pdr | rhowe: yep, tongiht |
| 14:06.15 | rhowe | pdr: Joining us for food too? |
| 14:06.52 | pdr | i'll see what the other half is doing, but i think she is on late shift so probably yeah |
| 14:06.56 | pdr | where you going? |
| 14:07.14 | rhowe | Either Woodlands, that south indian vegetarian place, or a place that specialises in garlic |
| 14:07.27 | Cope | rhowe: who is going? |
| 14:07.28 | rhowe | Woodlands on Panton Street - the place I'm incapable of giving directions to |
| 14:08.02 | rhowe | Cope: Me, Matt Pep (a geek friend from Manchester who is originally from Readign), my cousin Dave (not geek) and I guess Matt's friends |
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| 14:13.14 | rhowe | pdr: Current thoughts are to meet around 6:15pm at TCR station |
| 14:15.07 | pdr | how about i just meet you at woodlands |
| 14:15.26 | pdr | picadilly circus station is *much* closer btw |
| 14:15.30 | rhowe | Well we might not be going to Woodlands |
| 14:15.50 | rhowe | Matt's quite interested in this garlic place, which is apparently on Frith Street, although he's not quite sure where |
| 14:18.54 | pdr | yeah, i missed it last time |
| 14:19.24 | pdr | so i'm keen to try it out, although i'm not sure about vegetarian food |
| 14:23.35 | rhowe | hm, I think I persuaded him on Woodlands |
| 14:23.51 | rhowe | buy your own routemaster - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=4555370906 |
| 14:48.26 | pdr | i was considering it until i saw its MOT has expired |
| 14:48.44 | pdr | looks like fun, especially on those small country lanes |
| 14:49.02 | pdr | the price is right though |
| 15:33.32 | mozrat | Server room / office / hideaway |
| 15:34.00 | wethrin | :) |
| 15:34.08 | wethrin | pdr: How much? |
| 15:34.18 | morsing | 10 |
| 15:34.24 | mozrat | £4,100 at the moment |
| 15:34.29 | mozrat | 4 days to go |
| 15:36.19 | wethrin | Quite a bit, though |
| 15:36.27 | mozrat | yeah |
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| 16:12.09 | morsing | Zach! |
| 16:12.20 | zachary | Henrick! |
| 16:16.29 | morsing | How's work? |
| 16:16.29 | morsing | And the kids? |
| 16:18.15 | zachary | Work -> none, kids -> Daycare/school |
| 16:22.35 | rhowe | pdr: Matt says meet at 6:30 at TCR |
| 16:22.59 | rhowe | pdr: I'm going to be there way before 6:30 though |
| 16:23.01 | pdr | how about i just meet you there at 9? |
| 16:23.10 | rhowe | pdr: At the bar? |
| 16:23.29 | pdr | i don't see the point of walking all the way up to centrepoint and all the way back again |
| 16:23.34 | pdr | rhowe: yeah, at the bar |
| 16:23.42 | pdr | i'm not so fussed about food now either |
| 16:23.48 | pdr | after all, eating's cheating |
| 16:23.49 | rhowe | Me neither, but well, it's not such a bad day |
| 16:24.08 | pdr | still a bit cloudy |
| 16:24.20 | pdr | and not that warm |
| 16:24.20 | rhowe | Got my umbrella :) |
| 16:24.26 | pdr | you may still need it |
| 16:24.47 | pdr | jesus, i almost sound english the way i whinge about the weather like that |
| 16:24.50 | rhowe | OK, well I'm going to try and get the seats on the right in the blues bar (the left is too close to the noisy drums, I find |
| 16:25.13 | pdr | ok |
| 16:25.18 | pdr | what time do you think you'll get there then? |
| 16:25.24 | rhowe | 7:30? 8? |
| 16:25.35 | pdr | you're not going for food first any more? |
| 16:25.38 | rhowe | If we're not meeting until 6:30, I doubt we'll be there for 7:30 though |
| 16:25.45 | rhowe | So I guess 8 |
| 16:26.01 | pdr | ok, i'll probably be there about 7:30 anyway actually |
| 16:26.02 | rhowe | I think we can do TCR -> Woodlands -> bar in an hour and a half |
| 16:26.20 | pdr | knowing your directions you won't get to woodlands by 8 |
| 16:26.24 | rhowe | haha |
| 16:26.26 | pdr | :-) |
| 16:26.36 | rhowe | Well the bar serves food :) |
| 16:26.40 | pdr | true |
| 16:26.45 | pdr | i had a banana |
| 16:26.51 | pdr | so not so hungry any more |
| 16:26.59 | pdr | tsk tsk |
| 16:27.01 | rhowe | And beans with a sausage roll |
| 16:27.05 | pdr | yum |
| 16:27.17 | rhowe | Microwaved, so a somewhat soggy sausage roll |
| 16:27.25 | pdr | i've got a joke for you: |
| 16:27.31 | pdr | how do you make a sausage roll? |
| 16:27.46 | rhowe | Go on... :) |
| 16:27.50 | pdr | you push it |
| 16:28.04 | rhowe | bleh |
| 16:28.06 | wethrin | *groan* |
| 16:28.23 | pdr | i can't believe you've never heard that one before |
| 16:28.30 | rhowe | I said no HTML email, dammit |
| 16:28.43 | pdr | tfl is my biatch |
| 16:28.55 | rhowe | Good news is that the email doesn't report any tube problems |
| 16:29.20 | wethrin | How do you make a Maltese Cross? |
| 16:29.26 | pdr | punch him? |
| 16:29.35 | wethrin | Close enough :) |
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| 16:43.07 | wethrin | ibot joke |
| 16:43.09 | ibot | What's a chicken coupe with 4 doors - a Chicken Sedan! |
| 16:43.17 | wethrin | ibot joke |
| 16:43.18 | ibot | What's a chicken coupe with 4 doors - a Chicken Sedan! |
| 16:43.31 | rhowe | # An unexpected error has been detected by HotSpot Virtual Machine: |
| 16:43.32 | rhowe | # |
| 16:43.32 | rhowe | # SIGSEGV (0xb) at pc=0x40996983, pid=31682, tid=49156 |
| 16:43.35 | rhowe | Woohoo! I crashed Java |
| 16:43.40 | wethrin | heh |
| 16:44.15 | rhowe | # C [libzip.so+0xf983] ZIP_Close+0x23 |
| 16:46.05 | pdr | wethrin: i liked java at first and even was a java specialist for a few years, but i got very upset with it for a number of reasons |
| 16:46.20 | wethrin | People put it where it really shouldn't be? |
| 16:46.56 | pdr | indeed, and then get upset that their server-side java is not fast enough |
| 16:47.15 | wethrin | Well, then they're silly, and should write in C |
| 16:47.19 | wethrin | .oO(CGI-FORTRAN) |
| 16:47.28 | pdr | i hear you saying: but it's scalable, so in theory we can just throw more hardware at it, and hardware is cheaper than programmers! |
| 16:47.29 | zachary | wethrin , Like OpenOffice! |
| 16:48.05 | wethrin | yes, and hardware also sucks electrickery |
| 16:48.08 | wethrin | I dislike Office stuff generally |
| 16:49.10 | rhowe | Hm, I'd best get going |
| 16:49.20 | pdr | and it doesn't really scale well enough, so where in php you had 1000 customer requests per minute, you can now handle 4 on the same hardware with your new-fangled scalable solution! now all we need is 250 servers all talking to the same NAS, etc, etc |
| 16:50.08 | pdr | basically scalable is useless if it's dog slow to begin with |
| 16:50.25 | rhowe | Vast swathes of Java stuff is pure crap |
| 16:50.34 | rhowe | Including most of mine |
| 16:50.44 | rhowe | Though at least mine isn't overcomplicated :) |
| 16:50.46 | pdr | and non-determinstically slow, like how it fails to respond to requests every minute while gc-ing |
| 16:50.50 | rhowe | Anyway, gone |
| 16:50.56 | pdr | later |
| 16:52.15 | wethrin | Yeah, but Java is known that it has to GC occasionally, and the delay ought to be factored in |
| 16:52.37 | pdr | factored in? |
| 16:52.53 | pdr | how can you factor in a complete loss of functionality every x seconds into a server |
| 16:53.03 | wethrin | Err. Bad phrase |
| 16:53.07 | wethrin | I'm hungry and tired :) |
| 16:53.16 | pdr | :-) |
| 16:53.32 | wethrin | You should know that it does that, and therefore make allowances that it'll be slower occasionally |
| 16:53.36 | wethrin | Have beer! |
| 16:53.42 | pdr | i will :-) |
| 16:53.49 | wethrin | Good! |
| 16:54.04 | pdr | i think i need to start a blog just to vent some crap |
| 16:54.18 | mozrat | pdr: do it |
| 16:54.19 | pdr | probably best not to publish any of it tho |
| 16:54.20 | wethrin | Oh dear. Will you rant about blogs in there too, just for irony? |
| 16:54.33 | mozrat | we should have a planet.gllug.org.uk we we can aggregate rantings |
| 16:54.42 | pdr | of course, i bloody hate blogs |
| 16:54.51 | wethrin | Good :) |
| 16:54.51 | pdr | mozrat: sounds like a good idea |
| 16:55.09 | mozrat | Theres a couple of bloggers in the 'gang' |
| 16:56.52 | pdr | word |
| 16:59.31 | wethrin | da gang |
| 17:01.13 | mozrat | respeck |
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| 17:11.26 | wethrin_ | Computers suck |
| 17:12.59 | pdr | wtf was that? |
| 17:13.14 | wethrin_ | Computers suck. hades has FUCKING CRASHED AGAIN |
| 17:13.24 | pdr | i see |
| 17:13.27 | wethrin_ | But this time, it's pingable, but absolutely nothing responds |
| 17:13.41 | pdr | maybe it's still rebooting |
| 17:14.05 | wethrin_ | Only if it reboots automatically |
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| 17:14.43 | wethrin_ | HTTP initiates a connection, but Apache doesn't actually respond |
| 17:14.48 | wethrin_ | SSH gives me a connection refused |
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| 17:15.35 | pdr | it's probably those lilo free folks DOSing it :-) |
| 17:15.39 | wethrin_ | So it's not rebooting |
| 17:15.41 | wethrin_ | Heh |
| 17:15.54 | wethrin_ | So I'll have to phone Mailbox in the morning |
| 17:15.56 | wethrin_ | grump |
| 17:16.06 | wethrin_ | Why do PCs have to suck so fucking much? |
| 17:16.19 | pdr | commodity hardware |
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| 17:18.20 | wethrin_ | I have a Netra T1 sitting in my room now |
| 17:18.45 | wethrin_ | But I need to get another hard disk, and more memory |
| 17:18.47 | pdr | when it all comes crashing down, and we get made redundant, i'll earmark one for you |
| 17:18.57 | pdr | the T1's aren't bad |
| 17:19.07 | wethrin_ | Reliable little things, anyway |
| 17:19.10 | wethrin_ | Thanks :) |
| 17:19.17 | pdr | but then we have ours running java, so they're not that good in the end |
| 17:19.33 | wethrin_ | Ahh. True. They're not super-high-compute boxes |
| 17:19.49 | pdr | we now get V210s for apache/tomcat |
| 17:19.53 | wethrin_ | Mm |
| 17:19.59 | pdr | and V120s |
| 17:20.21 | pdr | they're kinda nice, but almost every one was delivered with some sort of fault, or misspecced, or something |
| 17:20.34 | wethrin_ | Your purchasing dept. made a mistake? |
| 17:20.44 | pdr | nup |
| 17:20.50 | pdr | probably the bloke we sourced them from |
| 17:20.56 | wethrin_ | Ah. Not from Sun? |
| 17:21.06 | wethrin_ | Or HPaq? |
| 17:21.11 | wethrin_ | Or whoever |
| 17:21.22 | pdr | yeah, but we don't deal with sun directly, we use a local retailer |
| 17:21.27 | wethrin_ | Ahh right |
| 17:22.13 | pdr | cheaper than just going to the sun webpage and ordering from there, and we can get *everything* sourced from the one place which has a few benefits |
| 17:22.20 | wethrin_ | Indeed |
| 17:22.24 | wethrin_ | Like not getting the right machine :) |
| 17:22.32 | pdr | heh, yeah :-) |
| 17:22.58 | wethrin_ | Right, well. Mailbox shall be phoned in the morning. I only phoned them yesterday morning too! |
| 17:23.09 | pdr | well, we got pretty much the right kit, but on one, the fan wasn't correctly fitted, and on another the hard disk wasn't plugged in.. that sort of thing |
| 17:23.16 | wethrin_ | Shoddily built |
| 17:23.22 | pdr | yep |
| 17:23.41 | pdr | i think they're just probing to see how quickly we're prepared to call support |
| 17:24.19 | wethrin_ | Yeah |
| 17:24.23 | pdr | so who/what is Mailbox? |
| 17:24.30 | wethrin_ | Mailbox Internet |
| 17:24.35 | wethrin_ | Them what have my swerver |
| 17:24.45 | pdr | hermes? |
| 17:24.53 | wethrin_ | hades |
| 17:25.05 | wethrin_ | hermes was in the US, but was decomissioned due to being crap |
| 17:25.20 | pdr | replaced by herpes? |
| 17:25.34 | pdr | or heroes even? |
| 17:25.37 | wethrin_ | Heh :) No. Replaces by a pair called aita and sokar |
| 17:25.49 | pdr | doing? |
| 17:25.50 | wethrin_ | But they're a friend's machine |
| 17:25.56 | wethrin_ | +s |
| 17:26.08 | wethrin_ | Running his websites, and my bittorrent downloads |
| 17:31.51 | pdr | redhat sux |
| 17:32.08 | pdr | cricket took about 15 seconds to get up and running in debian |
| 17:32.41 | pdr | it's taken most of this afternoon to get it running in redhat, and i've had to compile/install everything into /usr/local |
| 17:32.46 | wethrin_ | Oh dear |
| 17:32.53 | wethrin_ | Nothing on rpmfind.net? |
| 17:33.00 | pdr | i think i'm going to just leave it until tomorrow to finish off |
| 17:33.04 | wethrin_ | Good plan |
| 17:33.07 | pdr | nup, nothing on rpmfind |
| 17:33.12 | wethrin_ | Hateful |
| 17:33.14 | pdr | indeed |
| 17:33.15 | wethrin_ | Software sucks |
| 17:33.20 | pdr | so does hardware |
| 17:33.25 | wethrin_ | Right. hades is fucked AGAIN |
| 17:33.27 | wethrin_ | Indeed. |
| 17:33.33 | wethrin_ | Will phone tomorrow *sigh* |
| 17:33.42 | pdr | perhaps you should name it something more polite |
| 17:34.02 | wethrin_ | hades is a very nice name for a computer sitting in the depths of London |
| 17:34.15 | pdr | perhaps that's true |
| 17:34.32 | wethrin_ | And the Netra shall also be named hades when it takes over |
| 17:34.39 | pdr | where in london? can i help with anything? |
| 17:35.08 | wethrin_ | Mailbox, in Fulham Broadway (well, closer to Parsons Green tube) |
| 17:35.27 | wethrin_ | There's nothing at the moment - they just need to hit the reset button, and it's only got office hours support |
| 17:35.39 | pdr | ah, i see |
| 17:42.23 | wethrin_ | But I'll be looking for a different colo place for the new box - I think Leeds' lot are going to wind down their colo |
| 17:51.06 | wethrin_ | As long as $new_place will give me a serial console access |
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| 18:02.26 | pdr | wethrin: i would have thought most places offer that |
| 18:02.40 | pdr | anyway, i'm gonna head onto nothing but |
| 18:02.44 | pdr | laters |
| 18:02.48 | wethrin_ | Enjoy! |
| 18:02.52 | wethrin_ | Some, not all |
| 18:02.57 | wethrin_ | A lot don't say |
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| 19:00.47 | George | flooble |
| 19:03.23 | George | :( |
| 19:06.28 | George | Catalyst: DIE BITCH |
| 19:06.41 | George | ...with a rusty spade |
| 19:06.43 | Catalyst | muhaha |
| 19:07.41 | George | Catalyst: so. are you homogeneous or heterogeneous? |
| 19:08.48 | George | Catalyst: what's your E_{a}(cat)? |
| 19:09.11 | Catalyst | pass, that looks like discrete maths |
| 19:09.31 | George | Catalyst: it's latex formatting for E subscript a brackets cat |
| 19:09.45 | Catalyst | righto |
| 19:09.51 | George | Catalyst: which means the activation energy of the reaction in the presence of a catalyst |
| 19:09.59 | George | Catalyst: pfft. did you not do A level chemistry? |
| 19:10.02 | Catalyst | oh :P chemistry \o/ |
| 19:10.03 | Catalyst | nope :) |
| 19:10.13 | George | ... |
| 19:10.14 | George | WHORE |
| 19:10.16 | Catalyst | I did maths, further maths, physics and electronics :P |
| 19:10.38 | George | freak. |
| 19:11.33 | Catalyst | you know it :) |
| 19:11.33 | George | Catalyst: get As in all of 'em? |
| 19:11.35 | Catalyst | yup |
| 19:11.38 | George | freak. |
| 19:11.50 | Catalyst | I got 80% average in my first semester at uni |
| 19:11.50 | George | high As? |
| 19:11.54 | Catalyst | highest in my year |
| 19:12.01 | Catalyst | second semester won't be as good though |
| 19:12.01 | George | freak. |
| 19:12.10 | George | Catalyst: FREAK |
| 19:12.13 | Catalyst | mainly due to me discovering what "social life" means xD |
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| 19:48.18 | morsing | Hello |
| 19:48.25 | morsing | I need some help |
| 19:49.00 | morsing | I'm on the phone to my dad who's upgrading kernel 2.4.x to 2.6.11.12 on a server |
| 19:49.14 | morsing | but it won't load any modules |
| 19:49.25 | morsing | *unresolved symbols* |
| 19:49.49 | morsing | What has he done wrong (if anything) |
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| 20:13.36 | mikejw | hello |
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