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| 03:21.49 | gregj | http://24.81.29.117:8001/ |
| 03:21.53 | gregj | my new guitar ;0 |
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| 03:54.18 | *** topic/#gllug is Greater London LUG. Next meeting: Saturday 11th June 2005; Web site: http://www.gllug.org.uk; Wiki: http://wiki.gllug.org.uk; Channel stats at http://www.jonmasters.org/irc/gllug; Pictures at http://gllug.org.uk/ircphoto.html [need new piccy's] |
| 07:06.03 | George | yay |
| 07:06.10 | George | bt's abuse dept replied to me |
| 07:06.16 | mozrat | and? |
| 07:06.32 | George | they're "taking it very seriously" blahblahblah |
| 07:07.14 | mozrat | have you been abused George? |
| 07:09.54 | George | mozrat: probably being petty, but some dick on bt broadband was posting messages saying "SPAM" over and over again |
| 07:10.00 | George | mozrat: and have been generally trolling on my forum. |
| 07:10.13 | George | BT asked for some server logs. |
| 07:10.14 | mozrat | George: that qualifies |
| 07:10.31 | mozrat | George: Are you going to be in on the planet.gllug.org.uk idea? |
| 07:10.40 | George | there were only 6 or so posts. but... blah. I don't want it to happen again |
| 07:10.47 | George | mozrat: yeah, that'd be cool |
| 07:10.53 | George | mozrat: I'm already on planetkde :P |
| 07:11.03 | mozrat | George: I actually noticed that, yes |
| 07:11.10 | George | :P |
| 07:12.25 | George | mozrat: and some romanian git decided to exploit a phpbb security hole on my server a couple of days later. |
| 07:12.32 | George | mozrat: I don't know if they're related |
| 07:15.52 | George | how do you rename a database in mysql? |
| 07:16.27 | mozrat | i would guess drop and create and reimport :) |
| 07:16.35 | mozrat | I don't know of a rename function |
| 07:16.58 | George | never mind |
| 07:17.02 | George | found the option in phpmyadmin :P |
| 07:17.16 | mozrat | oh really? Can you make it output the statements? |
| 07:17.39 | mozrat | Hmmm. xcompmgr doesn't work with xinerama very well does it |
| 07:21.54 | mozrat | *BOOOO* |
| 07:21.58 | mozrat | gone yet, Leeds? |
| 07:25.18 | Leeds | mozrat: gone where? |
| 07:25.21 | Leeds | ah :-) |
| 07:25.22 | Leeds | no... |
| 07:25.26 | mozrat | :) |
| 07:25.26 | Leeds | *hic* |
| 07:25.59 | mozrat | I had some mental crosswiring in my skull - the first sip of a fizzy drink *always* induces a bout of about 3 hiccups |
| 07:26.11 | mozrat | quite embarrassing some of the time, I can't control it |
| 07:26.42 | Leeds | I appear to have caught them from a little mint |
| 07:30.26 | George | mozrat: no idea |
| 07:51.15 | Leeds | okay, not quite got as far as introspecting the database, but I can execute arbitrary DOS commands on the database server over the database connection... |
| 08:08.50 | Leeds | and I'm in :-) |
| 08:28.49 | George | blah |
| 08:28.52 | George | exam this afternoon. |
| 08:29.50 | Leeds | exams, already? |
| 08:30.01 | George | nearly finished. |
| 08:30.02 | George | two more |
| 08:30.08 | George | one this afternoon, one next tuesday |
| 08:30.13 | George | done 20 so far :P |
| 08:32.50 | Leeds | these are AS? |
| 08:35.21 | Leeds | hmm... I have over 30 tabs open in two firefox windows... |
| 08:36.09 | George | Leeds: A2 at the moment |
| 08:36.14 | George | Leeds: done all my AS exams for this year |
| 08:36.41 | Leeds | what the fsck is A2? :-) |
| 08:36.58 | George | second year of A level |
| 08:37.03 | George | AS + A2 = A level |
| 08:40.37 | Leeds | so what year are you in? |
| 08:41.05 | George | lower sixth |
| 08:41.06 | George | AS year |
| 08:41.59 | George | I've done all my AS exams this year |
| 08:42.18 | George | now I've only got a couple of A2 exams left |
| 08:42.26 | George | this year. |
| 08:42.27 | Leeds | are you doing A2 this year? |
| 08:42.31 | George | A2 maths. |
| 08:44.32 | George | right, need to dash |
| 08:44.33 | George | bye. |
| 08:45.45 | rhowe | water... |
| 08:45.49 | rhowe | Need... water.... |
| 08:46.06 | Leeds | plenty of it here... |
| 08:46.26 | Leeds | not a drop to drink, mind you |
| 08:51.43 | highbury | Now Belkin on the other hand pay postage when I sent my old UPS back |
| 08:55.31 | highbury | I'm not sure now there are any benefits to buying external drives, usually they don't allow you to take out the raw drive, but their diagnostic tools don't necessarily support USB/Firewire |
| 08:56.30 | highbury | I think I'll just buy plain internal drives (with 3-5 years warrantee) and put them in an external case myself |
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| 09:05.28 | Leeds | afternoon pdr |
| 09:06.26 | pdr | morning |
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| 09:26.23 | Leeds | afternoon mz2 |
| 09:26.43 | mz2 | afternoon |
| 09:29.26 | pdr | it's official |
| 09:29.31 | pdr | http://pdr.cx/~pdr/blog |
| 09:30.20 | mozrat | eek, sorry pdr |
| 09:30.56 | Leeds | woo, hometime bell! |
| 09:33.59 | pdr | mozrat: nah, it's all good, we're getting pretty good payouts so i feel sorry for those that have to stay |
| 09:34.23 | mozrat | :) |
| 09:37.33 | Leeds | pdr: welcome to the club! |
| 09:38.00 | Leeds | I've travelled on 4 continents since being laid off :-) |
| 09:38.48 | George | :P |
| 09:39.32 | itsbruce | pdr: How much time are you planning on taking off before job hunting again? |
| 09:40.01 | Leeds | I've been to between 8 and 11 countries, depending on how you define a visit :-) |
| 09:41.40 | George | Leedss: show off. ;P |
| 09:42.36 | Leeds | certainly... enjoy your exams :-P |
| 09:50.09 | skugg | Leeds: they obviously paid you too much while you were working then.. |
| 09:50.24 | skugg | :) |
| 09:55.37 | pdr | itsbruce: don't know, i've kinda been offered a job already, but i'm not going to be around for a couple of months, so they'll have to wait |
| 10:04.20 | mozrat | Is there a way to find out which code library contains a certain function.. for example trying to compile dbus it fails with 'undefined reference to `XML_ParserCreate_MM'' and I've installed loads of XML libraries but can't get around it |
| 10:07.37 | itsbruce | Well, you don't often get the chance to take that much time off but remember the dangers |
| 10:07.39 | Leeds | mozrat: well, it's a bit brute force, but nm will list the symbols in a library.... |
| 10:07.45 | itsbruce | As illustrated by Leeds ;) |
| 10:08.06 | Leeds | itsbruce: the danger of ending up in the far east? :-) |
| 10:08.14 | itsbruce | You too could end up maintaining IBM kit in an asian bra factory |
| 10:09.23 | Leeds | I'm maintaining nothing |
| 10:17.28 | Leeds | yeah, time to go shopping... back later |
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| 10:54.50 | wethrin | caliginous! |
| 10:55.35 | caliginous | lo |
| 10:56.58 | wethrin | I owe you silly amounts of money! |
| 10:57.06 | caliginous | probably |
| 10:57.47 | wethrin | How goes, anyway? |
| 10:57.52 | caliginous | don't worry, i'll come round and break your legs |
| 10:57.56 | caliginous | yeah, busy |
| 10:57.59 | caliginous | very busy |
| 10:58.03 | caliginous | you? |
| 10:58.23 | wethrin | Being a poor student up in Durham |
| 10:58.40 | caliginous | I though all students are rich? |
| 10:58.47 | wethrin | Bwahahahaha :) |
| 10:59.27 | pdr | ok, i'm off, later guys |
| 10:59.29 | wethrin | anyway - brb - need to reboot to fiddle some stuff |
| 10:59.31 | wethrin | cya pdr |
| 10:59.33 | pdr | wethrin: will ring on friday about drinks |
| 10:59.37 | wethrin | pdr: Excellent |
| 11:12.04 | wethrin | ARGH |
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| 11:20.36 | Leeds | can someone explain to me what load average actually means? |
| 11:20.48 | wethrin | Isn't it the number of processes in the run queue? |
| 11:20.58 | Leeds | that's what I thought |
| 11:21.42 | Leeds | so what does it mean if there's a load average of 20, but the machine isn't swapping and is 85%+ idle? |
| 11:21.53 | wethrin | Processes waiting for data |
| 11:21.55 | wethrin | Probably over the network |
| 11:23.06 | Leeds | they were (almost) all imapd processes... |
| 11:24.26 | wethrin | Sounds like networky things, then |
| 11:24.50 | Leeds | seems to have largely passed now, anyway |
| 11:25.34 | wethrin | That's good |
| 11:25.39 | wethrin | Maybe just timing out TCP sessions? |
| 11:25.51 | Leeds | maybe something like that |
| 11:33.27 | mozrat | Leeds: As I understand it, it means different things to different OS's |
| 11:33.43 | mozrat | I think it has a lot to do with the process queue length |
| 11:34.01 | Leeds | it's linux 2.4... |
| 11:34.11 | murble | Leeds: uwimap? |
| 11:34.21 | Leeds | murble: yes... |
| 11:34.30 | Leeds | anyway, it seems to have got over it now |
| 11:34.41 | rhowe | Leeds: The load average is the number of processes that are runnable. If they're waiting for I/O, then they count as runnable |
| 11:34.44 | murble | i would say oh doom, oh whatever oh dooom! |
| 11:35.18 | rhowe | Leeds: So, if your disks are slow, then a mail server could result in quite a high loadavg, due to lots of processes stuck in 'D' state |
| 11:36.30 | Leeds | well, something weird happened - but it's back down from 25 to 0.6 or so, so I'm not worried right now |
| 11:37.22 | rhowe | Leeds: ps aux|grep D :) |
| 11:37.33 | Leeds | rhowe: been doing that a lot :-) |
| 11:38.22 | murble | i recently migrated a box from uwimap to dovecot previously the box would have a load of betweenn 1 and 20, now it is about 1 under heavy use. |
| 11:38.30 | murble | oh and mbox -> maildir |
| 11:38.34 | murble | (which was more fun) |
| 11:39.15 | Leeds | we actually have dovecot on there as well, as a trial, but uwimapd still has port 143 |
| 11:39.50 | murble | i was running both on soapstone for ages on different IPs |
| 11:41.30 | murble | be careful if you are also running the uwpop3 and are replacing it with dovecot as they calculate their uidls differently. |
| 11:41.55 | itsbruce | Dovecot still doesn't have shared/public folders but then they're a pig to set up for uw anyway. |
| 11:42.54 | murble | itsbruce: well you can get them if you want in a courier style way with symlinks |
| 11:43.03 | murble | although you'll probably want to run -testing for that. |
| 11:43.08 | itsbruce | Not much fun with Courier either, for that matter. |
| 11:43.20 | murble | the new namespace stuff in 1-testing is nice. |
| 11:47.28 | rhowe | itsbruce: They're not so bad with Courier, although I felt the need to write a fixmaildirpermissions script :) |
| 11:47.49 | rhowe | itsbruce: You do end up with a ton of symlinks in users' homes though |
| 11:58.57 | itsbruce | This is why I go for Cyrus if my needs become at all complex. Don't care for services that generate all that extra lower level admin crap |
| 12:02.05 | rhowe | Yeah, I should probably look at Cyrus |
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| 14:39.59 | wethrin | Oops |
| 14:41.22 | Leeds | on the other hand, I did do about 10,000 paces while walking :-) |
| 14:41.57 | wethrin | this is good? |
| 14:42.05 | Leeds | yes |
| 14:42.12 | wethrin | good, then :) |
| 14:42.23 | Leeds | healthy, you know... |
| 14:42.33 | wethrin | Don't suppose you might know how long I can still keep hades in Mailbox? |
| 14:42.34 | wethrin | Yup |
| 14:43.13 | Leeds | not really, sorry |
| 14:43.45 | wethrin | That's fine. |
| 14:44.40 | Leeds | I should really put my food in the fridge, then go back out to find dinner |
| 14:44.50 | wethrin | mm |
| 14:45.52 | gregj | eating is good too, as long as it's not something heavy, and junk, and as long as you move a lot too |
| 14:55.50 | itsbruce | Well, he's been moving a lot. |
| 14:56.21 | gregj | walking, moving on foot :> |
| 14:59.49 | itsbruce | It's hard to eat and jog at the same time. |
| 15:00.17 | gregj | indeed |
| 15:00.22 | Leeds | moving a lot in, note, still pretty high temp... much sweat |
| 15:08.16 | Leeds | alright, time to go look for late-night food in Mid-Levels... |
| 15:16.59 | skugg | itsbruce: is this a skill you practice a lot? |
| 16:02.28 | murble | it is possible to catch a ball and drink a cup of tea at the same time. |
| 16:02.38 | murble | but the people surrounding you may get tea stained. |
| 16:17.34 | Leeds | and now bed... g'night folks |
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| 16:44.05 | mozrat | is there a changelog for AngelChildMk2? |
| 16:44.10 | mozrat | whats new and improved? |
| 16:44.22 | AngelChildMk2 | 3 bytes :) |
| 16:46.36 | mozrat | looks like*** |
| 16:46.42 | mozrat | gee - thanks AngelChildMk2 |
| 16:47.37 | mozrat | bah - gotta run. catch you later |
| 16:48.03 | AngelChildMk2 | cya |
| 16:48.07 | wethrin | bye! |
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| 18:41.19 | zachary | ello |
| 19:17.29 | AngelChild | yoyoyo |
| 19:17.37 | AngelChild | ...40 minutes later |
| 19:39.42 | zachary | and counting... |
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| 22:19.39 | mozrat | you're all terrorists |
| 22:19.43 | mozrat | ... |
| 22:19.48 | mozrat | according to this lawsuit |
| 22:19.54 | mozrat | http://www.merkeylaw.com/article.php?story=20050621145053855&mode=print |
| 22:20.01 | eye69 | Evening folks. |
| 22:20.07 | mozrat | evening terrorist |
| 22:20.17 | mozrat | done any dastardly plotting tonight? |
| 22:20.17 | eye69 | Thank you. |
| 22:20.21 | mozrat | you're welcome |
| 22:20.32 | mozrat | hit that link and search for 'queda' |
| 22:20.33 | eye69 | Yes. I've plotted getting my new car stereo installed. |
| 22:20.37 | gregj | mozrat: yes we are |
| 22:20.43 | mozrat | 42. Much of the activities of Linux and OSS have served to create a funneling system allowing sensitive and advanced technology created by computer technology companies in the United States to be illegally exported out of the United States and into the hands of the citizens of other countries. |
| 22:21.00 | gregj | mozrat: let sue guys who make knifes |
| 22:21.22 | mozrat | A lot of the activities of Linux and OSS have also served to provide space flight systems.. are we invading mars now? |
| 22:21.35 | mozrat | 43. As a result of these activities, a large portion of US technology has been unwittingly placed into the hands of various groups around the world, including Al-Queda, and other groups who sponsor international terrorism. |
| 22:22.09 | mozrat | We should sue Nike for providing terrorists with a transport infrastructure |
| 22:22.58 | mozrat | eye69: hows the stereo then? |
| 22:23.02 | gregj | funniest part is the one that says that linux is exported from US |
| 22:23.12 | gregj | while in fact it was imported there in first place |
| 22:23.20 | mozrat | good point |
| 22:23.29 | gregj | and now US companies make money on european system |
| 22:23.32 | gregj | that's scum |
| 22:23.36 | gregj | let's sue redhat on that |
| 22:23.37 | gregj | :D |
| 22:23.39 | mozrat | I just cut straight to that part... who's suing who here anyway? |
| 22:23.42 | gregj | scam |
| 22:23.54 | gregj | one man is suing everone else |
| 22:23.56 | gregj | whole world |
| 22:24.11 | mozrat | Ahh, JEFFREY VERNON MERKEY Vs everyone |
| 22:24.13 | gregj | probably his wife is already tirred of whining, so he decided to write letter to some judge |
| 22:24.21 | mozrat | including Slashdot! |
| 22:24.25 | gregj | yep |
| 22:24.27 | gregj | that's the best one |
| 22:24.29 | eye69 | mozrat: I haven't gotten it installed yet. I've pulled the cables for the rear speakers through, and have built a new rear shelf. |
| 22:24.40 | mozrat | eye69: is it..... loud? |
| 22:24.49 | mozrat | as in a fill up the boot with speakers job? |
| 22:25.33 | eye69 | Not really. It'll just be 2 4way 6x9" speakers in the rear, and 2 2way 4" in the front. |
| 22:25.49 | eye69 | Got a Sony MP3 head unit. |
| 22:28.57 | eye69 | I'm thinking I should've built the rear shelf out of a more dead material though...it's 15mm plywood now. |
| 22:29.11 | eye69 | Hopefully there wont be any resonance./ |
| 22:31.45 | mozrat | Sounds cool |
| 22:33.47 | eye69 | http://svt.se/content/1/c6/40/98/00/nyhelikopeter-orebro.ram A swedish idiot crashes a helicopter |
| 22:34.28 | eye69 | A 100 year old man was going with his family to some kind of castle for festivities, and ended up in hospital in a critical condition. |
| 23:06.03 | rhowe | Ah, much better |
| 23:07.56 | eye69 | I haven't gotten around to installing for 64 bit on my A64 yet. |
| 23:09.17 | eye69 | I'm off to bed. Nightie. |
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| 23:10.21 | rhowe | It was very easy, although I did notice klogd segfault :) |
| 23:10.56 | eye69 | I've installed a couple of other 64 bit machines...one A64 and one EM64T Xeon. |
| 23:11.07 | eye69 | Well, sleep. *poof* |
| 23:11.11 | rhowe | I just did the Debian PXE thing |
| 23:33.33 | highbury | I just saw on TV, they've recreated an "English Town" in part of Shanghai, to sell to ultra rich Chineese, complete with tudor houses, pubs, cobbled high street and Cathedral, they haven't started the Castle yet! |
| 23:33.43 | rhowe | heh |
| 23:33.52 | rhowe | Crazy country :) |
| 23:34.16 | rhowe | This rocks |
| 23:34.16 | rhowe | I have a key on my keyboard which causes the kernel to panic :) |
| 23:35.14 | highbury | we shall henceforth call it "The Special Key" |
| 23:35.24 | highbury | paint it blue! |
| 23:35.30 | rhowe | It already is blue :) |
| 23:35.34 | rhowe | It's the F-lock key |
| 23:36.32 | highbury | rename it the B-locks key |
| 23:36.48 | rhowe | I'm hoping a kernel upgrade'll fix it |
| 23:37.01 | rhowe | But hm.. not sure I'm up to running through menuconfig tonight |
| 23:53.28 | highbury | nn folk |