| 00:16.28 | Cope | George: good cv :-) Very impressive. |
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| 04:30.48 | Leeds | date |
| 04:41.16 | gregj | Tue Jun 28 06:40:07 CEST 2005 |
| 04:41.56 | Leeds | thank you :-) |
| 04:42.06 | Leeds | damn sloppy focus :-) |
| 04:42.11 | gregj | ;] |
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| 06:20.40 | George | Cope: heh, thanks |
| 07:09.35 | mozrat | Good Morning |
| 07:09.39 | mozrat | Leeds, ping! |
| 07:10.38 | George | hey mozrat |
| 07:10.51 | mozrat | hey George |
| 07:11.24 | Leeds | mozrat: pong! |
| 07:11.31 | mozrat | huzzah |
| 07:11.33 | mozrat | Leeds! |
| 07:11.44 | mozrat | Did you see my email sir? |
| 07:11.47 | Leeds | morsing! |
| 07:11.49 | Leeds | uh... |
| 07:11.56 | Leeds | which one? |
| 07:12.00 | mozrat | gmail |
| 07:12.02 | mozrat | about the wiki |
| 07:12.26 | Leeds | you mean the one I replied to? :-) |
| 07:12.32 | mozrat | Probably yes! |
| 07:12.49 | Leeds | then yes, I saw it! |
| 07:12.53 | mozrat | heehee |
| 07:13.16 | mozrat | I got it working if I highlight syntaxed the whole page |
| 07:13.24 | mozrat | what about a small segment in the page with |
| 07:13.30 | mozrat | { { { #python |
| 07:13.37 | mozrat | print "hello world" |
| 07:13.39 | mozrat | } } } |
| 07:13.43 | mozrat | that doesn't seem to work |
| 07:13.52 | Leeds | a) needs to be #! |
| 07:14.20 | Leeds | b) I think the {{{}}} need to be on their own line |
| 07:14.31 | mozrat | ahh, o |
| 07:14.33 | mozrat | ok |
| 07:15.19 | Leeds | or maybe not |
| 07:16.07 | Leeds | or maybe so :-) http://wiki.gllug.org.uk/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/SyntaxHighlightTest |
| 07:16.33 | Leeds | or maybe not... etc. |
| 07:16.41 | Leeds | anyway, it works for me |
| 07:17.23 | mozrat | yes it was the {{{ on it's own line thing |
| 07:17.25 | mozrat | thanks! |
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| 07:28.03 | mozrat | hello morsing |
| 07:29.04 | George | heya morsing |
| 07:31.17 | morsing | morning |
| 07:32.47 | George | maths exam in 5.5 hours |
| 07:35.23 | mozrat | George: good luck |
| 07:35.27 | mozrat | are you confident? |
| 07:35.30 | George | mozrat: yes. |
| 07:35.35 | mozrat | good |
| 07:35.40 | George | mozrat: it's piss easy in comparison to the one I have on friday :) |
| 07:36.28 | mozrat | :D |
| 07:36.57 | George | the one on friday is based on the same syllabus, but aimed at the top 1000 a-level students in the country |
| 07:37.00 | George | lol |
| 07:37.00 | George | 30% pass rate :) |
| 07:37.10 | mozrat | wow |
| 07:48.43 | Leeds | 30% pass mark? that's pretty easy |
| 07:50.04 | George | RATE |
| 07:51.28 | Leeds | rate? |
| 07:52.56 | George | yes |
| 07:59.33 | mozrat | Leeds, have you looked at www.pythonchallenge.com ? |
| 07:59.38 | mozrat | or done many of the levels? |
| 08:00.47 | Leeds | I looked... did the first couple of levels, then got bored |
| 08:02.21 | mozrat | gah, |
| 08:02.29 | mozrat | rdesktop locking up my x session again |
| 08:13.56 | George | Leeds: which translates as "I did the first couple of levels then couldn't do any more" |
| 08:13.59 | George | ? |
| 08:14.21 | mozrat | George: oooh, you bitch. *miaow* *miaow* *scratch* |
| 08:15.58 | George | :P |
| 08:26.15 | Leeds | the song which just came up on my random play was number 1 when I was born... |
| 08:28.34 | George | something to do with the end of the world? |
| 08:29.40 | Leeds | not at all |
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| 08:30.25 | Leeds | afternoon mikejw |
| 08:30.34 | George | 'tis morn here |
| 08:31.19 | mikejw | ello :D |
| 08:31.19 | mikejw | I thought it was :) |
| 08:31.22 | mikejw | ...and a fine one at that. How are you doing Leeds> |
| 08:32.38 | Leeds | okay, there's a Cobol book on the shelf here |
| 08:32.55 | Leeds | I'm doing okay - a bit tired... |
| 08:34.25 | Leeds | mmm... tea :-) |
| 08:34.30 | Leeds | how's life in London? |
| 08:35.04 | mikejw | pretty good thanks |
| 08:35.13 | mikejw | I have a computing job for the summer :) |
| 08:35.20 | mikejw | good ol' php stuff |
| 08:35.39 | Leeds | ugh... |
| 08:35.46 | mikejw | lol |
| 08:36.03 | mikejw | it's great to have a more civillised routine |
| 08:36.41 | mikejw | *civilised |
| 08:37.55 | mikejw | Leeds: how's the world? |
| 08:39.10 | Leeds | confusing, bra-shaped, and mainly speaking Cantonese |
| 08:39.28 | George | Leeds: you have this obsession with bras |
| 08:39.53 | mozrat | says the schoolboy |
| 08:40.05 | Leeds | professional obsessions are good! |
| 08:40.38 | mikejw | :) |
| 08:41.44 | George | mozrat: I'm not a pervert; I am only obsessed with thinkpads and high speed internet connections :) |
| 08:42.25 | mozrat | and possibly fridges? |
| 08:42.36 | George | yeah |
| 08:42.45 | George | food in general, really |
| 08:48.00 | mikejw | I'm all about sexy drum kits at the moment. maybe I'll be able to afford one soon :) |
| 08:48.48 | Leeds | drumming? isn't that what you do if you can't hold a tune? |
| 08:49.41 | mikejw | it's a musical instrument!! :| |
| 08:50.00 | Leeds | so is the triangle |
| 08:50.17 | mikejw | :) I know what you mean, but I do play the acoustic guitar a little too |
| 08:50.49 | Leeds | ah, good |
| 08:51.30 | mikejw | I thought you might have appreciated the drums and their mechanical nature :P |
| 08:51.48 | mikejw | I think I do |
| 08:52.51 | mikejw | not that mechanical playing is what you should strive for |
| 09:20.47 | highbury | my thinkpad has a dodgy ethernet connection, I need to get it fixed, but I can't afford the time without it |
| 09:21.08 | JAV | hello |
| 09:22.13 | Leeds | JAV: is that your *final* answer? |
| 09:30.43 | JAV | Leeds: it depends on the weather, mainly, but yes :D |
| 09:38.13 | Cope | good morning |
| 09:38.35 | Leeds | Cope: good afternoon |
| 09:38.50 | mozrat | hello Cope |
| 09:42.14 | Cope | um Brest |
| 09:42.33 | Leeds | um |
| 09:46.16 | mozrat | By an amazing co-incidence I am a graduate of the University of Nipple |
| 10:11.38 | mozrat | hmm, evangineer on the mailing list, haven't seen him in a while |
| 10:11.44 | mozrat | ibot seen evangineer |
| 10:11.44 | ibot | evangineer <~evanginee@spc1-seve3-4-0-cust230.asfd.broadband.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 114d 14h 40m 57s ago, saying: 'headset (if you use voip), health/medical insurance that's valid in Israel, medical supplies'. |
| 10:11.58 | Leeds | mozrat: not here, but he has been on and off the list I think |
| 10:12.01 | Leeds | time for hometime |
| 10:12.25 | mozrat | see you later Leeds |
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| 10:19.02 | jason_ukfsn | morning all |
| 10:19.42 | mozrat | Morning jason_ukfsn |
| 10:20.59 | jason_ukfsn | how's life? |
| 10:21.04 | mozrat | life is good |
| 10:21.54 | jason_ukfsn | I wanted to pop along for the last meeting but I'm so busy these days that it's getting harder and harder to get to things :( |
| 10:22.19 | mozrat | I know the feeling |
| 10:22.45 | mozrat | does UKFSN run the wiki.gllug.org.uk site? |
| 10:22.53 | morsing | Jason. You're a rare guest! Welcome |
| 10:22.53 | mozrat | it's very slow when you click to edit a page |
| 10:23.13 | murble | 'lo jason |
| 10:25.59 | jason_ukfsn | mozrat: the wiki is handled by Richard on a boxsomewhere in jcolo. ukfsn just has an apache proxypass directive for it |
| 10:26.20 | jason_ukfsn | morsing: I'm rare because I avoid the sun - I don't like being over cooked ;) |
| 10:26.29 | morsing | :-) |
| 10:26.38 | morsing | Mmm... jason_ukfsn medium done |
| 10:27.41 | highbury | Hey jason_ukfsn ! |
| 10:35.37 | jason_ukfsn | Is anyone actually adding content to the wiki? |
| 10:35.45 | jason_ukfsn | Each time I check it the front page is unchanged. |
| 10:35.46 | George | 3.5 hours. |
| 10:35.51 | jason_ukfsn | Aside from when it get's spammd |
| 10:36.18 | jason_ukfsn | s/md$/med/ |
| 10:36.31 | highbury | We agreed at the last meeting we needed to revisit what we were doing with it and the site in general |
| 10:37.21 | highbury | we basically need more people to be involved in maintaining the site to keep it up to date and relevant |
| 10:37.50 | highbury | perhaps almost make the whole site a wiki, with specific pages locked to a specific group of people |
| 10:38.40 | jason_ukfsn | I'm less and less happy with wiki's now that the spammers are onto them. The spamming process is entirely automated and it looks like botnets are being used for this as well now. |
| 10:39.26 | jason_ukfsn | I think managing a wiki is now getting to be more work that managing a site "properly" |
| 10:40.11 | highbury | The ideal scenario, I guess, would be that authors would have to go through some form of proper authentication, say using pgp or such |
| 10:40.26 | highbury | then we could have key signing at the meetings |
| 10:40.52 | jason_ukfsn | why bother with pgp or other burdens. Simply have it secured with login via a https site for management. |
| 10:52.42 | highbury | I'm totally open to options, I would like to see some form of content-management, to at least track changes |
| 10:57.53 | jason_ukfsn | I'm more than happy to implement https for gllug. I don't think there is a need for a cert backed by a "proper" cert authority but if people want one UKFSN can do them for silly money now ($27.50/year) |
| 11:00.22 | jason_ukfsn | s/\$/£/ |
| 11:05.29 | rhowe | You could do HTTPS client cert. authentication, and sign certificate requests at the meetings |
| 11:08.27 | jason_ukfsn | again it's more hassle than is really justified. Why should someone need a client cert for something as simple as a session to update a web page. It's not as though it's a site that has specific issues of trust involving valuable data or $other |
| 11:09.03 | jason_ukfsn | Is GLLUG really anything more than a means of sharing the benefits of Free Software that we've received and having a bit of fun? |
| 11:14.46 | rhowe | I didn't say it was a good idea, just that you could do it :) |
| 11:30.13 | jason_ukfsn | I have to go and do some work to get my VAT return sent off. |
| 11:30.24 | jason_ukfsn | I'll pop back later. |
| 11:46.55 | rhowe | morsing: Did you say pvmove was broken in LVM2? |
| 11:48.16 | George | 1h15m |
| 11:48.36 | morsing | rhowe: Yes. At least a while ago |
| 11:48.52 | rhowe | morsing: A while ago being Feb? |
| 11:49.20 | morsing | Longer. I switched back to LVM1 last summer |
| 11:50.08 | rhowe | Ah OK |
| 11:50.57 | morsing | I have seen people on the LVM list complain about it all through to X-mas though |
| 11:51.51 | eye69 | I successfully used pvmove in LVM2 a few months ago. |
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| 11:52.21 | morsing | mz2! |
| 11:52.30 | mz2 | morsing! |
| 11:52.53 | rhowe | hm, to be honest, we'd have to resize the filesystem too, so we may as well just create a new LV and new filesystem, then move the data across |
| 12:19.02 | morsing | What's up with Geir today! |
| 12:19.43 | Cope | Given that I have no idea who or what Geir is, I couldn't possibly suggest an answer. |
| 12:20.07 | Cope | hello rhowe |
| 12:24.51 | morsing | Geir is a very excentric Norwegian sitting two desks down from me. More annoying than usual! |
| 12:25.03 | morsing | How are you Cope? |
| 12:27.00 | morsing | Is it legal to hit Norwegians in this country? |
| 12:28.11 | eye69 | morsing: It should be legal to hit Norwegians in any country |
| 12:31.00 | mozrat | When I was in Norway I was informed if you hit someone with a closed fist you can get done for assault with a deadly weapon. If you hit them with a open hand (*slap*) it is much less serious |
| 12:31.07 | Cope | morsing: I'm ok thanks :-) |
| 12:31.14 | mozrat | so please slap them if you have to |
| 12:31.44 | morsing | mozrat: I will |
| 13:16.26 | mozrat | morsing: that is legally acceptable |
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| 14:19.58 | morsing | huh? |
| 14:20.00 | morsing | chown: /proc/827604/lwp/385249: The system call does not exist on this system. |
| 14:20.46 | rhowe | morsing: AIX? :) |
| 14:22.57 | morsing | Of course |
| 14:23.12 | morsing | What does Linux say? |
| 14:27.44 | morsing | BSD says nothing but doesn't do it! |
| 14:28.14 | morsing | Linux: |
| 14:28.15 | morsing | albert:~# chown morsing /proc/408 |
| 14:28.15 | morsing | chown: changing ownership of `/proc/408': Operation not permitted |
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| 14:28.38 | morsing | Oh wait, on a file Linux doesn't say anything either |
| 14:28.42 | morsing | Interesting! |
| 14:28.52 | morsing | Don't you think? |
| 14:29.13 | morsing | AIX rocks! |
| 14:29.18 | Leeds | so suddenly this evening the strange internet connection I have here has decided not to let me connect to IRC.... |
| 14:29.46 | Leeds | evening all :-) |
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| 14:30.13 | morsing | Gonzo! |
| 14:30.24 | Leeds | evening Gonzo! |
| 14:30.47 | Gonzo | yo |
| 14:58.34 | Cope | mozrat: ping |
| 14:59.29 | mozrat | Cope, pong |
| 15:00.14 | George | YAY |
| 15:00.17 | George | I JUST FUCKED UP MATHS |
| 15:00.33 | mozrat | yay? |
| 15:00.42 | George | well, no point in being depressed :) |
| 15:00.46 | George | I think I got an A though |
| 15:00.50 | George | just... not a very high A |
| 15:01.16 | George | on the other hand, maths scholars at my school got the same (wrong) answers as me... :) |
| 15:05.12 | mozrat | :) |
| 15:10.41 | morsing | What's a banjo bolt? |
| 15:11.36 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 15:12.22 | Leeds | morsing: what are you talking about? |
| 15:12.27 | morsing | What's a banjo bolt? |
| 15:12.37 | Leeds | never heard the phrase in my life |
| 15:12.45 | morsing | Me neither! |
| 15:13.12 | Leeds | google seems to suggest it's a car thing - I'm not a car parts person |
| 15:13.49 | morsing | Ahh... Google! Why didn't I think of that. |
| 15:16.17 | Leeds | I honestly don't know |
| 15:17.42 | George | mozrat: luckily it seems the rest of the country's fucked it up too |
| 15:17.45 | morsing | Ok, it a special type of bolt, not specific to cars! |
| 15:17.51 | George | mozrat: and I did bloody well in comparison... ;) |
| 15:19.37 | Leeds | 1640 paces simply aren;t enough... |
| 15:25.38 | mozrat | George: thats good then |
| 16:08.19 | George | mozrat: I think I only needed 40% to get an A anyway |
| 16:18.08 | mozrat | really? |
| 16:18.44 | George | yeah |
| 16:18.52 | George | I aced the other modules |
| 16:19.00 | George | there are 6 modules, each weighted 100 marks |
| 16:19.08 | George | 480/600 gets an A |
| 16:19.15 | George | I think I was sitting on about 440 |
| 16:19.56 | Leeds | there, 7.5k total, and plenty of sweat |
| 16:20.59 | Leeds | and some fresh air before bed, which is always nice |
| 16:21.26 | George | mozrat: at best I think i was on 470/480, at worst 430 |
| 16:22.25 | Leeds | George: you don't know your ongoing marks? |
| 16:23.03 | George | no |
| 16:26.36 | mozrat | gah, stupid inconsistent Gnome file browser interface |
| 16:26.42 | mozrat | shuttit George |
| 16:26.48 | George | KDE!!!!!!! |
| 16:27.15 | mozrat | Just saved a file in one application on the server in a gnome vfs mounted share |
| 16:27.33 | mozrat | can't email it in another interface cos the file browser can't see that mount |
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| 16:41.33 | rhowe | mozrat: I tried to open an image from a Widnows server, but eye of gnome just locked up |
| 16:42.15 | mozrat | rhowe: :( |
| 16:42.20 | mozrat | things aren't how they should be |
| 16:42.29 | mozrat | I've been working on servers in Latin America this week |
| 16:42.47 | mozrat | at the end of 2 cans of beans and a bit of string for internet connections |
| 16:42.49 | rhowe | mozrat: The SMB support in Nautilus actually is starting to seem fairly reasonable |
| 16:42.57 | rhowe | mozrat: Though usability is a bit low |
| 16:42.59 | mozrat | everytime I open a new window it locks all my gnome apps up |
| 16:43.24 | rhowe | mozrat: e.g. browse to a server where you only have access to some shares. It prompts your for a password for each share you don't have access to. Every time. |
| 16:43.29 | mozrat | rhowe, the stuff in 2.11 looks OK, I've been compiling garnome each week |
| 16:43.45 | rhowe | mozrat: This is whatever Debian unstable has |
| 16:57.06 | mozrat | hometime |
| 16:57.08 | mozrat | see you all later |
| 16:57.37 | rhowe | later |
| 16:57.49 | rhowe | Want to watch Seven Samurai :) |
| 17:02.15 | Leeds | sleeptime - g'night all |
| 17:02.51 | agk | pics from last meeting: http://home.arachsys.com/~agk/photos/GLLUG/Meetings/ |
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| 18:40.58 | George | ARSEFECKERS |
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| 20:48.12 | mozrat | Hmmm, problems in nautilus |
| 20:48.21 | mozrat | let me post from another channel |
| 20:48.38 | mozrat | 21:55 < othermozrat> wow - I have a even better example with gedit! |
| 20:48.38 | mozrat | 21:58 < othermozrat> OK.. here we go |
| 20:48.38 | mozrat | 21:58 < othermozrat> I am working in Gnome |
| 20:48.38 | mozrat | 21:58 < othermozrat> I have a SMB server that I mount in Nautilus with the |
| 20:48.38 | mozrat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.41 | mozrat | 21:58 < othermozrat> it is called CMT02FS01-Data |
| 20:48.43 | mozrat | 21:59 < othermozrat> I open a text file on the server in gedit |
| 20:48.46 | mozrat | 21:59 < othermozrat> http://beerandspeech.org/images/open.png |
| 20:48.48 | mozrat | 21:59 < othermozrat> do some work |
| 20:48.51 | mozrat | 21:59 < othermozrat> decide to save it back to the server as a new name |
| 20:48.53 | mozrat | 21:59 < othermozrat> http://beerandspeech.org/images/save.png |
| 20:48.56 | mozrat | 21:59 < othermozrat> where server? |
| 20:48.58 | mozrat | 21:59 < othermozrat> server gone! |
| 20:49.01 | mozrat | 21:59 < othermozrat> server.... gone... :( |
| 20:49.04 | mozrat | that sucks no? |
| 20:49.32 | mozrat | George, shutup about KDE </preemptive strike> |
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| 21:14.06 | edward | battle of Trafalgar on BBC News 24 |
| 21:15.36 | mozrat | edward: are we winning? |
| 21:16.15 | edward | BBC are a bit slow, that story happened 200 years ago |
| 21:17.03 | edward | why did i come home? i was by the river, i should've gone to see it. althought it is raining |
| 21:19.29 | Blapto | mozrat, can't you see the server? |
| 21:19.31 | Blapto | It's right there... |
| 21:19.42 | mozrat | Hmmmmmm |
| 21:19.51 | mozrat | there is a server with a similar name |
| 21:19.56 | mozrat | let me look |
| 21:20.38 | mozrat | Blapto.... the server is CMT02FS01-Data |
| 21:20.43 | mozrat | which isn't in save.png |
| 21:21.08 | mozrat | even if you scroll down, honest :) |
| 21:21.28 | Blapto | No, I was just getting your hopes up... |
| 21:22.00 | mozrat | you utter, utter bastard |
| 21:22.43 | Blapto | It's what I'm best at |
| 21:23.06 | mozrat | thats a bit of a problem though eh? |
| 21:24.46 | Blapto | Not really? |
| 21:25.10 | mozrat | it is when you save a document on a server and then try to mail it to someone as an attachment |
| 21:25.29 | mozrat | or is this where you say "not a problem for me... I don't use gnome"? |
| 21:25.52 | Blapto | Oh, I thought you meant me being a bastard. |
| 21:25.58 | mozrat | ah. |
| 21:26.00 | Blapto | I use gnome, I've just never tried to do that |
| 21:26.01 | mozrat | well. that too |
| 21:26.09 | Blapto | I've always sshed in and used vi |
| 21:26.11 | mozrat | take my advice, don't |
| 21:26.15 | Blapto | As I said, I'm a bastard :) |
| 21:26.16 | mozrat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.58 | Blapto | did what |
| 21:33.55 | mozrat | try ang attach something!!!! |
| 21:33.56 | mozrat | hehehe |
| 21:34.18 | Blapto | I'm confused, but that's not a first. |
| 21:34.33 | mozrat | don't worry |
| 21:34.44 | JAV | http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/06/10/itoilet_mod/ |
| 21:36.10 | Blapto | pure inspiration |
| 21:38.16 | JAV | :D |
| 21:38.20 | mozrat | hehe |
| 21:38.44 | JAV | http://www.bar-net.de/spass/drummer.mpg --> 28Mb |
| 21:38.51 | JAV | that's inspiration |
