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`03:17.27`	`*** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@202.82.163.139)`
`03:19.01`	`Leeds`	`gregj: ping`
`03:19.06`	`gregj`	`pong`
`03:21.13`	`Leeds`	`at one point you were talking about being in London and needing a place to stay...`
`03:21.23`	`gregj`	`yep`
`03:21.25`	`gregj`	`still interested`
`03:21.30`	`Leeds`	`when`
`03:21.43`	`gregj`	`actually I am leaving Van tomorrow evening, for london`
`03:21.51`	`gregj`	`till thursday, but I have place to stay now`
`03:22.00`	`gregj`	`I would like to go there by the end of month`
`03:22.22`	`Leeds`	`I'm not following you`
`03:22.22`	`gregj`	`maybe last week of month, or one before`
`03:22.24`	`gregj`	`hold on`
`03:22.30`	`Leeds`	`ah!`
`03:23.16`	`gregj`	`why you're asking ?`
`03:24.06`	`gregj`	`probably 18th onwards`
`03:24.09`	`Leeds`	`well, you wanted to maybe borrow my place?`
`03:24.13`	`gregj`	`but I haven't got tickets yet`
`03:24.15`	`gregj`	`yep`
`03:24.24`	`gregj`	`still possible ?`
`03:24.26`	`Leeds`	`I'm just trying to plan my July now :-)`
`03:24.32`	`gregj`	`oh`
`03:24.37`	`gregj`	`so you plan to go back to London ?`
`03:24.39`	`gregj`	`:D`
`03:24.59`	`Leeds`	`yes`
`03:25.15`	`Leeds`	`at the moment I'm going back on the 11th, but I might move it forward to the 9th`
`03:25.47`	`gregj`	`oh`
`03:26.45`	`gregj`	`so than I wouldn't be able to stay`
`03:26.59`	`Leeds`	`well, I do have 2 bedrooms`
`03:27.04`	`gregj`	`ar eyou back for good ?`
`03:28.15`	`Leeds`	`nope, don't think so`
`03:35.42`	`Leeds`	`although I've not booked a flight back to HK yet...`
`03:39.06`	`gregj`	`I need to go to 7-11`
`03:39.11`	`gregj`	`to pickup some sushi`
`03:39.15`	`gregj`	`and get some air`
`03:39.18`	`gregj`	`I feel like shit today`
`03:39.33`	`Leeds`	`I wouldn't buy sushi at 7-11`
`03:40.02`	`gregj`	`why, it's ok`
`03:40.18`	`gregj`	`other possibility is to order it from mr.sushi on dave street`
`03:40.59`	`Leeds`	`strangely enough, Chinese is more common around here :-)`
`03:41.07`	`Leeds`	`lots of noodle-based things at 7-11`
`03:41.37`	`gregj`	`they have 7-11 ?`
`03:41.44`	`gregj`	`I thought it's Cad thing`
`03:43.49`	`Leeds`	`heh - it's an American thing, but it's world-wide`
`03:44.10`	`Leeds`	`there are hundreds of them in HK... they were in London at one point, but I think they got bought out - there was one in Golders Green`
`03:46.22`	`gregj`	`never seen them anywhere else`
`03:47.57`	`Leeds`	`they're a favourite of students, stoners, hackers, loners, etc. - people who are likely to want junk food at 2am :-)`
`03:48.46`	`gregj`	`;]`
`03:52.18`	`Leeds`	`you know Octopus in London?`
`03:53.37`	`gregj`	`nope`
`03:54.10`	`Leeds`	`the stored-value card for tube/busses?`
`03:54.31`	`gregj`	`wasn't it called oyster ?`
`03:54.52`	`Leeds`	`doh!`
`03:55.03`	`gregj`	`:P`
`03:55.06`	`gregj`	`dude`
`03:55.07`	`Leeds`	`it is, of course, called oyster...`
`03:55.21`	`gregj`	`me engliash est gut`
`03:55.29`	`Leeds`	`it is, of course, a copy (i.e. another implementation) of the octopus(!) technology in Hong Kong`
`03:55.32`	`gregj`	me memora even betta`
`03:56.03`	`Leeds`	`you've been in London more recently than I`
`03:56.53`	`gregj`	`in may`
`03:57.03`	`Leeds`	`anyway, the point is that it's far more heavily used here... all the busses, all the trains... the ferries... the parking meters... the 7-11s!`
`03:57.10`	`gregj`	`for less than 24h`
`03:57.28`	`gregj`	`ech`
`03:57.58`	`gregj`	`I am here, in Van, leaving tommorow, in bed, watching tv`
`03:57.59`	`Leeds`	`so when you go buy, say, a newspaper, or a bottle of water... you just wave your octopus card at the register and walk out`
`03:58.01`	`gregj`	`wtf`
`03:58.22`	`Leeds`	`I am here in HK, in the office, completely failing to do any work :-)`
`03:59.01`	`Leeds`	`have you done much (any?) tourist-type stuff while you've been there?`
`04:00.03`	`gregj`	`not much`
`04:00.45`	`gregj`	`I'll comeback while on social security, age 70 , and will see all that crap`
`04:01.32`	`Leeds`	`that's one way to put it...`
`04:01.37`	`Leeds`	`I spent the weekend in Macau`
`04:01.51`	`gregj`	`macau ?`
`04:02.41`	`Leeds`	`it's another place near here, about 1 hour on the fast ferry, like Hong Kong - was Portugese until 1999... much smaller than HK`
`04:02.48`	`Leeds`	`pdr's mum lives there :-)`
`04:03.32`	`gregj`	`anyway, I'm off for a while, to grab something to eat and some air`
`04:03.59`	`Leeds`	`enjoy`
`04:04.08`	`Leeds`	`just let me know what you're planning to do London-wise`
`05:41.32`	`gregj`	`sure`
`07:02.24`	`mozrat`	`Good Morning`
`07:08.25`	`Leeds`	`hallo`
`07:14.54`	`mozrat`	`Still no internet at home`
`07:15.11`	`mozrat`	`I was away in Kent all weekend so didn't notice so much`
`07:17.01`	`Leeds`	`I was in Macau most of the weekend :-)`
`07:20.03`	`mozrat`	`was it nice?`
`07:21.22`	`Leeds`	`very nice`
`07:21.40`	`Leeds`	`did some touristing... met pdr's mum...`
`07:21.50`	`mozrat`	`cool!`
`07:21.51`	`Leeds`	`showed her the joys of Firefox :-)`
`07:21.55`	`mozrat`	`heh`
`07:22.09`	`Leeds`	`discovered that pdr has a brother who works for trolltech in Bejing!`
`07:23.59`	`mozrat`	`Did she feed you like a long lost son?`
`07:24.07`	`mozrat`	`as friends moms are prone to do`
`07:25.24`	`Leeds`	`she took me out for fish'n'chips, gave me her bed to sleep in (because her room has an en suite bathroom and the guest room doesn't) and left me in bed, to help myself to breakfast and so on when she went to church :-)`
`07:30.56`	`mozrat`	`awesome`
`07:34.43`	`Leeds`	`sometimes I am really impressed by just how hospitable people who are essentially random strangers can be`
`07:35.47`	`mozrat`	`yes`
`07:46.58`	`mozrat`	`Leeds, have you read 'the da vinci code' yet?`
`07:50.02`	`Leeds`	`yup`
`07:51.32`	`mozrat`	`I started reading it on Friday - very good book`
`07:52.33`	`Leeds`	`well... it is and it isn't`
`07:52.43`	`Leeds`	`it's very well done pulp`
`07:53.22`	`mozrat`	`:)`
`07:55.32`	`Leeds`	`it's nonsense, but entertaining nonsense...`
`07:55.48`	`Leeds`	`apparently they've starting filming - Tom Hanks as the hero`
`07:57.19`	`mozrat`	`yes`
`07:57.33`	`mozrat`	`I can't really see it translating that well to film`
`07:57.58`	`mozrat`	`it's a good story but a lot of the book is theroy and flashbacks`
`07:58.55`	`Leeds`	`lots of exposition, combined with liberal amounts of dumbing-down, I guess`
`08:01.47`	`mozrat`	`I saw a film with Tom Hanks recently - 'The Terminal' which was quite good`
`08:02.21`	`Leeds`	`I downloaded it, never got around to watching it, and am now thousands of miles from the (offline, powered-down) machine...`
`08:24.15`	`Cope`	`morning chums`
`08:24.28`	`wethrin`	`morning`
`08:24.35`	`wethrin`	`We're not all shark-bait!`
`08:24.49`	`Cope`	`wethrin!`
`08:25.13`	`wethrin`	`I'm going into the office now, via returning a car. And then a meeting. Back around 11ish`
`08:27.00`	`Leeds`	`wethrin: shark-bait?`
`08:27.06`	`wethrin`	`chum`
`08:27.22`	`wethrin`	`Anyway. gone`
`08:28.46`	`Leeds`	`ah`
`08:28.51`	`mozrat`	`Morning Cope`
`08:30.07`	`Leeds`	`Cope: sometime at the beginning of November, right?`
`08:30.54`	`Cope`	`Leeds: aye`
`08:31.56`	`Leeds`	`and for some reason the office is full of flies today...`
`08:32.48`	`Leeds`	`could be something to do with the temperature - we've gone from the thunder, heavy rain and monsoon warnings last week to an official "it's going to be hot - damn hot!" warning today :-)`
`08:35.00`	`*** join/#gllug ufo (ufo@kasztan.il.pw.edu.pl)`
`08:37.15`	`Leeds`	`afternoon ufo`
`08:37.51`	`ufo`	`hi :)`
`08:56.56`	`highbury`	`morning`
`09:47.57`	`Cope`	`hi highbury`
`09:49.46`	`Leeds`	`fucking exchange, fucking outlook and fucking IE... that is all.`
`09:52.54`	`Cope`	`:)`
`09:53.15`	`wethrin`	`foo`
`09:55.25`	`Leeds`	`first my pretty css menus don't work in IE...`
`09:55.55`	`Leeds`	`then my collegue points out that while she can see text like "yes, we'd like to order that" in the summary of her mail, it's not in the mail itself...`
`09:57.40`	`Cope`	`hehe`
`09:59.38`	`Leeds`	`her outlook was displaying from the text or html part of the multipart mail in the summary, but was displaying the winmail.dat in the full message window - the mail was from Notes, so no winmail.dat had been generated - all that had happened was the winmail.dat which had been sent to the recipient had been returned`
`10:00.06`	`Leeds`	`hence, it looked at this end like there was text in the summary which wasn't in the mail, and the mail was just a copy of the mail to which it was a response`
`10:00.08`	`Leeds`	`fucking outlook`
`10:00.32`	`Cope`	`Welcome to Real Life (TM)`
`10:00.36`	`wethrin`	`Heh`
`10:01.11`	`Leeds`	`argh`
`10:01.33`	`wethrin`	`Real Life sucks`
`10:01.50`	`wethrin`	`I need some more memory for my Netra T1`
`10:07.10`	`Leeds`	`I just discovered that - as far as I can tell - all mail to either of the two 'group' aliases also goes into a public mail folder, so one particular person can look through it every day and a) print out the important things and b) manually sort it into separate permanent folders`
`10:10.37`	`Leeds`	`bye-bye cute little css menu :-(`
`10:11.46`	`wethrin`	`bwah`
`10:18.23`	`Leeds`	`ibot change 690 hkd to gbp`
`10:25.05`	`Leeds`	`that's the price for a little asus 'router' - 200MHz CPU, 4 LAN, 1 WAN, 1 802.11g, 2 USB and it runs Linux :-)`
`10:25.16`	`Leeds`	`one step up from the wrt54g`
`10:27.15`	`highbury`	`Asus apparently habe just launched a wireless router which includes gigabit ethernet, though the reviews weren't impressesd by the software`
`10:28.01`	`Leeds`	`I don't need gigabit - not in this environment`
`11:02.20`	`Cope`	`tumbleweed`
`11:03.14`	`George`	`I'm hungry.`
`11:52.48`	`*** join/#gllug highbury (~steve@81-1-79-173.homechoice.co.uk)`
`12:10.46`	`Cope`	`clear`
`12:11.59`	`mozrat`	`Cope - how are you getting on with the Python Challenge`
`12:12.02`	`mozrat`	`did you move on?`
`12:18.45`	`Cope`	`mozrat: haven't looked at it - been too busy!`
`12:18.59`	`Cope`	`I had a brief look at number 5`
`12:19.14`	`Cope`	`not set my mind to it yet, though.`
`12:19.24`	`Cope`	`how far are you?`
`12:19.42`	`mozrat`	`no further than when we last spoke - my home internet connection went down the morning aft4er`
`12:19.49`	`mozrat`	`due to work not paying the bills`
`12:19.49`	`Cope`	`nod`
`12:19.59`	`Cope`	`so we're on the same one`
`12:20.00`	`Cope`	`cool`
`12:20.02`	`mozrat`	`yes`
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`12:33.41`	`George`	`mozzzzzy`
`12:36.30`	`mozrat`	`howdy`
`12:47.58`	`George`	`wibble`
`12:57.18`	`*** join/#gllug highbury (~steve@81-1-79-173.homechoice.co.uk)`
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`12:57.45`	`JAV`	`afternoon`
`12:58.13`	`edward`	`http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4646513.stm <-- Caffeine beer`
`13:28.10`	`George`	`"You are approximately 381 metres from the exchange (straight line distance)."`
`13:28.12`	`George`	`funkiness.`
`13:28.34`	`edward`	`do you win a prize?`
`13:29.03`	`George`	`no.`
`13:29.25`	`George`	`except that when my exchange is 8mbit enabled I'll probably be able to get 8mbit adsl`
`13:29.45`	`edward`	`did you see 24mbit ADSL2+ for London mentioned in the register?`
`13:29.54`	`George`	`yes`
`13:30.13`	`George`	`I'll probably be at university by the time that happens`
`13:30.20`	`skugg`	`who cares!`
`13:31.18`	`wethrin`	`skugg: what about latency?`
`13:32.19`	`skugg`	`as long as my ssh session is not lagging too much, i'm fine.`
`13:32.32`	`wethrin`	`So modem speeds are fine, without the modem lag?`
`13:32.32`	`skugg`	`and if it is, i just get off irc ;)`
`13:32.41`	`skugg`	`wethrin: essentially, yes`
`13:33.07`	`wethrin`	`Fair enough :)`
`13:33.16`	`skugg`	`i can download things at work if I need to`
`13:33.27`	`wethrin`	`heh`
`13:33.38`	`skugg`	`or, since I have 24/7 connection I can download anything I want, it just takes a bit longer`
`13:33.51`	`skugg`	`teaches me to be selective :)`
`13:35.46`	`wethrin`	`Yeah`
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`13:58.49`	`itsbruce`	`Afternoon`
`14:25.14`	`Cope`	`afternoon bruce`
`15:00.52`	`*** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@202.82.163.135)`
`15:05.00`	`*** join/#gllug Cope (~sanelson@82-69-220-158.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk)`
`15:12.28`	`mozrat`	`Leeds!, Cope!`
`15:13.42`	`Leeds`	`mozrat! skugg!`
`15:16.32`	`mozrat`	`yumyum`
`15:17.50`	`Leeds`	`they keep giving me forks when I eat Chinese food... I'm not great with chopsticks, but I'm damned if my macho side will let me use a fork :-)`
`15:17.54`	`skugg`	`er, high leeds :)`
`15:18.08`	`skugg`	`Leeds: heh`
`15:18.33`	`Leeds`	`skugg: sorry - didn't mean to wake you... was just picking a random name to go with mozrat's apparently random greeting to Cope...`
`15:19.04`	`skugg`	`meh. that's ok.`
`15:19.14`	`skugg`	`it's not like i'm sleeping ;)`
`15:21.21`	`Leeds`	`the asus wl500g deluxe - 4MB flash, 32MB RAM, 2 USB2 ports`
`15:36.13`	`George`	`wibble`
`15:36.16`	`George`	`wibbleywibbleywoo`
`15:41.43`	`George`	`is a signal to noise ratio of 35dB realistic on the copper phone lines we have in .uk?`
`15:42.22`	`Leeds`	`the theory is, get the one with the fast USB ports, and it can also be an NFS server for an external drive or two... and maybe, just maybe, I'd be able to coax it to run useful stuff like bittorrent :-)`
`15:43.38`	`Leeds`	`George: no idea on that`
`15:44.12`	`George`	`Leeds: so you want to buy a cheap linux router JUST to run bittorrent?`
`15:44.23`	`Leeds`	`nope`
`15:44.55`	`Leeds`	`I could do with a combined router/hub`
`15:45.02`	`Leeds`	`I could do with a file server`
`15:45.25`	`George`	`wtf.`
`15:45.35`	`George`	`why does my adsl thingy say I'm connected at 2mbit`
`15:45.39`	`Leeds`	`and if it's a Linux box, I tend to work on the basis that it should be able to handle most things I throw at it`
`15:45.40`	`George`	`and I'm actually on 1mbit`
`15:46.00`	`Leeds`	`could you have a 2mbit which is throttled for billing reasons?`
`15:46.06`	`George`	`Leeds: can I set myself up as your official hardware inheritor?`
`15:46.16`	`George`	`Leeds: it's the old 1mbit primetime on bulldog`
`15:46.21`	`Leeds`	`you may have to get in the queue`
`15:46.59`	`wethrin`	`I'm in front of him on Sparc kit :)`
`15:47.14`	`George`	`Leeds: can I have your mac mini? :P`
`15:47.21`	`Leeds`	`certainly for the primetime, the speed of the line never changed - they just throttled it... I've got the 2mbit primetime, and it was always a 2mbit line`
`15:47.43`	`George`	`perhaps there's software throttling on mine then`
`15:47.47`	`Leeds`	`wethrin: when are you next likely to be in London?`
`15:47.51`	`George`	`would explain why I had full on 2048/256 for a few months`
`15:47.55`	`George`	`until they got a clue`
`15:47.58`	`Leeds`	`George: I think the Mac mini is coming back to HK with me :-)`
`15:48.17`	`wethrin`	`Leeds: Start of August`
`15:48.40`	`Leeds`	`wethrin: ah... might need to leave the Ultra 10 with someone for you then`
`15:48.45`	`George`	`Leeds: back to HK?`
`15:48.59`	`George`	`Leeds: you're leaving .uk?`
`15:49.15`	`Leeds`	`George: it seems so... for a while, at least`
`15:49.39`	`George`	`NO!`
`15:49.45`	`wethrin`	`Leeds: Hmm. Okay`
`15:49.51`	`wethrin`	`When're you returning to HK?`
`15:49.58`	`Leeds`	`wethrin: that is, assuming you want it :-)`
`15:50.07`	`wethrin`	`mmm. Sun hardware`
`15:50.11`	`Leeds`	`I don't have a date yet... looking at approximately the 28th, I think`
`15:50.27`	`Leeds`	`there would be one condition.`
`15:50.43`	`Leeds`	`if Sun ever decided to be really petty and come after me for it, you'd have to give it back :-)`
`15:51.09`	`George`	`Leeds: are you in .uk at the moment?`
`15:51.25`	`Leeds`	`George: certainly not!`
`15:51.32`	`Leeds`	`ibot Leeds is probably in Hong Kong`
`15:51.32`	`ibot`	`...but leeds is already something else...`
`15:51.51`	`Leeds`	`ibot Leeds is also probably in Hong Kong... or Sri Lanka... somewhere like that, anyway`
`15:51.51`	`ibot`	`okay, Leeds`
`15:52.16`	`George`	`ibot test`
`15:52.16`	`ibot`	`Test Passed!`
`15:52.24`	`Leeds`	`ibot fail`
`15:52.39`	`Leeds`	`yup, that seems to work too :-)`
`15:52.59`	`wethrin`	`Leeds: Poo. I'd be coming back on the 29th`
`15:53.52`	`Leeds`	`wethrin: as I said, it's not booked yet, but since I'm leaving here a little earlier than expected - possibly going to change my flight again tomorrow - I don't necessarily want to stick around too long`
`15:55.26`	`wethrin`	`Fair enough. But if you were around, it'd be nice to see you`
`15:55.45`	`Leeds`	`indeed...`
`15:56.07`	`Leeds`	`will be my turn to send a gllug-social "I'm in town" mail :-)`
`15:57.13`	`gregj`	`yeah, I have to send mine`
`15:57.19`	`gregj`	`cos in around 24h I am in london`
`15:57.21`	`gregj`	`folks`
`15:57.24`	`wethrin`	`Good idea!`
`16:00.40`	`wethrin`	`:)`
`16:01.10`	`mozrat`	`when is it gregj?`
`16:01.54`	`gregj`	`I am flying out today around 21ish, and shelt be in london on Tuesday mid dayish`
`16:02.16`	`mozrat`	`ahh, not this week. Perfect`
`16:02.24`	`mozrat`	`oh`
`16:02.28`	`mozrat`	`you meant 2100 ish`
`16:02.31`	`mozrat`	`ok - still good`
`16:02.43`	`gregj`	`this week`
`16:02.48`	`gregj`	`2100 as an hour`
`16:02.49`	`gregj`	`:]`
`16:03.07`	`gregj`	`I have to look into my ticket to find out what time I'll be in London`
`16:09.43`	`wethrin`	`gregj: Please to be posting to gllug social with your subscribed email address`
`16:10.36`	`wethrin`	`I've let it through this time`
`16:11.01`	`gregj`	`;]`
`16:11.08`	`gregj`	`I don't remembver what was my subscribed addr`
`16:11.29`	`gregj`	`must be my @pointblue.com.pl than`
`16:11.55`	`wethrin`	`You should have got a mailing list reminder a few days ago`
`16:13.13`	`gregj`	`I delete that crap`
`16:13.21`	`gregj`	`as it contain fucking plain text passwds`
`16:13.39`	`wethrin`	`Heh. But mailing lists aren't exactly high security`
`16:15.24`	`gregj`	`how much would it cost to get some kinda taxi from heathrow to Docklands, city airport area`
`16:15.35`	`gregj`	`200 quid, 300 quid ? :>`
`16:16.02`	`wethrin`	`Quite a bit, but probably not that much`
`16:16.17`	`wethrin`	`And it'd probably be quicker to take DLR`
`16:17.11`	`gregj`	`trouble is, I have two sets of suitcases, back pack, and guitar case`
`16:17.16`	`gregj`	`but only 2 hands`
`16:17.16`	`gregj`	`:]`
`16:17.24`	`gregj`	`and tube doesn't go to fucking terminal 4`
`16:17.37`	`wethrin`	`Heathrow Express into Paddington`
`16:18.00`	`gregj`	`yeah, and from paddington ?`
`16:18.13`	`wethrin`	`RTFTubeMap :)`
`16:18.17`	`gregj`	`I have to go through zone 1, crowded, etc`
`16:18.30`	`wethrin`	`True. Do you have plenty of money for taxis now?`
`16:18.37`	`gregj`	`than change to something more convinient, like jubilee`
`16:18.40`	`gregj`	`than dlr`
`16:18.40`	`gregj`	`...`
`16:18.42`	`gregj`	`fuck`
`16:18.45`	`gregj`	`3h`
`16:18.56`	`gregj`	`damn, I hate to travel`
`16:19.07`	`gregj`	`I love traveling, I just hate to trave`
`16:19.07`	`gregj`	`l`
`16:19.08`	`gregj`	`;)`
`16:19.39`	`wethrin`	`heh`
`16:20.18`	`gregj`	`if it would be around 60 quid, I would go for taxi`
`16:20.53`	`wethrin`	`Hmm. You could ask the taxi person`
`16:21.02`	`gregj`	`yeah`
`16:21.21`	`wethrin`	`And just take �60 worth of journey`
`16:24.10`	`gregj`	`I'll be in london on 14:05`
`16:24.19`	`gregj`	`if BA can make it on schedule`
`17:00.39`	`wethrin`	`Mmm. I'm in Durham`
`17:45.12`	`George`	`mozzy`
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`18:01.06`	`wethrin`	`rhowe!`
`18:19.09`	`*** join/#gllug RevRob (~RevRob@cpc4-cmbg4-3-0-cust55.cmbg.cable.ntl.com)`
`18:19.21`	`RevRob`	`evening all`
`18:19.32`	`George`	`wethrin!`
`18:19.45`	`wethrin`	`hey`
`18:19.57`	`wethrin`	`mmm`
`18:20.27`	`RevRob`	`anyone know if any ISP's in the UK support IPv6?`
`18:21.58`	`George`	`given that this is .uk, probably not :P`
`18:22.26`	`RevRob`	`hmm`
`18:22.48`	`wethrin`	`Blackcat networks`
`18:22.53`	`RevRob`	`I'm using IPv6 tunneled over IPv4.. but it's not native.. it works, but adds latency`
`18:23.52`	`wethrin`	`BCN do ADSL`
`18:24.00`	`wethrin`	`Although only 512, I think`
`18:24.09`	`RevRob`	`hmm`
`18:24.10`	`RevRob`	`that sucsk`
`18:24.12`	`RevRob`	`sucks`
`18:24.31`	`RevRob`	`having gone to 3meg I can't ever see going backwarks`
`18:25.16`	`George`	`bleh.`
`18:25.21`	`George`	`I can't get more than 2Mbit at the mo'`
`18:25.34`	`George`	`although I'm hoping freedom2surf stuff their LLU equipment in my exchange soon`
`18:25.40`	`George`	`I mean, my line is amazing :)`
`18:25.48`	`wethrin`	`heh`
`18:25.50`	`RevRob`	`and I don't have a BT line so adsl is not much of an option :)`
`18:25.53`	`wethrin`	`Ahh`
`18:26.29`	`wethrin`	`Actually, 2Mbit is their fastest`
`18:26.51`	`George`	`I ought to read up about ipv6 as I'm completely clueless about it`
`18:27.12`	`RevRob`	`some have 8 meg in areas.. and ADSL2 is being trialed or will start in London`
`18:27.17`	`George`	`yeah`
`18:27.26`	`George`	`freedom2surf's LLU equipment is ADSL2+ too`
`18:27.50`	`RevRob`	`You can have a play with it by tunneling it over v4 .. www.hexago.com .. click on the "Get IPv6 in 2 steps" at the top`
`18:30.52`	`wethrin`	`Or btexact`
`18:31.08`	`RevRob`	`yeah I'm just looking at their site now`
`18:31.13`	`RevRob`	`http://www.6link.org/TB_Howto/`
`18:31.19`	`RevRob`	`they have a tunnel broker service`
`18:31.29`	`wethrin`	`mm`
`18:32.59`	`RevRob`	`that's what I'm using with hexago..it works but adds 50% latency or so`
`18:33.25`	`RevRob`	`have to figure out how to get bind to take the addresses so I can put them in DNS`
`18:42.41`	`wethrin`	`Howso?`
`18:48.08`	`RevRob`	`what do you mean?`
`18:48.39`	`wethrin`	`Take which addresses?`
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`18:48.52`	`wethrin`	`If you have a static IPv6 address, just give it an AAAA record`
`18:49.04`	`RevRob`	`I tried that but bind didn't seem to like it`
`18:54.41`	`wethrin`	`name IN AAAA ipv6::address`
`18:56.24`	`RevRob`	`yeah, tried that.. it didn't complain, but couldn't resolve anything`
`18:56.36`	`RevRob`	`I'll have to do some more playing`
`18:56.47`	`RevRob`	`must have missing something somewhere.`
`18:57.03`	`RevRob`	`may need something the named.conf to tell it to deal with ipv6`
`18:58.57`	`wethrin`	`Bind needs to support it`
`19:03.51`	`wethrin`	`Maybe yours hasn't got the support compiled in?`
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`19:16.20`	`RevRob`	`not sure wethrin.. I'll have to check. It didn't complain about the AAAA record.. just didn't want to resolve the name I gave to nslookup. I'll give it another go and see.`
`19:16.48`	`RevRob`	`one site I was looking at suggested something had to go in named.conf but I'll have to find that page again.`
`19:18.49`	`Cope`	`woo! RevRob`
`19:18.56`	`wethrin`	`There's a listen-on-v6 directive`
`19:20.00`	`Cope`	`nice`
`19:23.11`	`RevRob`	`well I have named listening on ipv6, but it's still not giving me any result back for the address I've added to the dns`
`19:23.13`	`RevRob`	`odd`
`19:24.05`	`Cope`	`heh`
`19:24.08`	`Cope`	`ipv6 dns`
`19:24.10`	`Cope`	`evil`
`19:24.19`	`RevRob`	`but very required...`
`19:24.30`	`RevRob`	`how can I remember 2001:05c0:8fff:fffe::2e79`
`19:24.35`	`Cope`	`in some alternative universe.`
`19:24.42`	`RevRob`	`and that's a compressed version of my address`
`19:24.45`	`Cope`	`heh`
`19:24.46`	`wethrin`	`Cope: It's not`
`19:24.59`	`RevRob`	`2001:05c0:8fff:fffe:0000:0000:0000:2e79 is the full version`
`19:25.04`	`wethrin`	`Cope: Look up hades.eco.li. Or ipv6.eco.li`
`19:25.20`	`Cope`	`wethrin: yes - representing 0.00000000001% of the online world.`
`19:25.34`	`wethrin`	`That doesn't make it evil`
`19:25.40`	`Cope`	`lol`
`19:25.45`	`Cope`	`no its not evil`
`19:25.48`	`wethrin`	`But I fully support using IPv6 more and more`
`19:25.55`	`Cope`	`I was simply referring to the joys of setting it up`
`19:27.55`	`wethrin`	`I had no problems in setting it up`
`19:28.06`	`wethrin`	`Edited my zone file, added the AAAA record, and it worked`
`19:28.13`	`RevRob`	`hmm odd`
`19:28.37`	`RevRob`	`do you have any root name servers for the ipv6 world added?`
`19:29.01`	`RevRob`	`how about in resolv.conf? Does anything need adding for ipv6?`
`19:29.09`	`wethrin`	`Nope`
`19:29.16`	`wethrin`	`Nope`
`19:35.17`	`RevRob`	`hmm`
`19:35.50`	`Cope`	`wethrin has ipv6 fu`
`19:35.56`	`wethrin`	`OpenBSD++`
`19:36.36`	`Cope`	`mmmm`
`19:36.37`	`RevRob`	`did you have to configure forward and reverse map files for your DNS?`
`19:36.50`	`RevRob`	`I've just added an IN AAAA item to my normal DNS file for my domain`
`19:40.21`	`Cope`	`ok`
`19:40.38`	`wethrin`	`Nope`
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`19:41.38`	`Cope`	`woo agk`
`19:42.00`	`Cope`	`(likelihood of agk responding..... 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000001%)`
`19:43.28`	`George`	`Cope: yeah, true :)`
`19:47.55`	`Cope`	`heh`
`19:53.06`	`George`	`Cope: you're an optimist I take it?`
`19:55.29`	`Cope`	`why do you assume so?`
`20:02.05`	`George`	`I think that that probability you gave is a tad high`
`20:02.09`	`George`	`0% is more realistic.`
`20:07.34`	`Cope`	`This is indeed true.`
`20:07.42`	`Cope`	`agk is the king of all lurkers.`
`20:20.22`	`George`	`:P`
`20:20.30`	`George`	`I've never actually seen him say anything`
`20:20.31`	`George`	`ever`
`20:20.57`	`Cope`	`ibot seen agk`
`20:20.57`	`ibot`	`agk is currently on #gllug (39m 24s)`
`20:24.03`	`Cope`	`ibot seen somecock`
`20:24.03`	`ibot`	`i haven't seen 'somecock', Cope`
`20:29.32`	`Cope`	`ibot seen another robot's willy`
`20:29.32`	`ibot`	`Cope: i haven't seen 'another robot's willy'`
`20:29.58`	`Cope`	`ibot seen a girl's boobies`
`20:29.58`	`ibot`	`Cope: i haven't seen 'a girl's boobies'`
`20:30.04`	`Cope`	`poor ibot`
`20:36.29`	`RevRob`	`haha are we bored Cope?`
`20:37.14`	`RevRob`	`poor ibot`
`20:51.59`	`Cope`	`lol`
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`22:07.06`	`George`	`sleep? y'wot?`
`22:43.11`	`wethrin`	`He has a job`
`22:43.14`	`wethrin`	`Unlike you lazy slob`
`22:46.10`	`George`	`oiy`
`22:46.12`	`George`	`I school`
`22:46.20`	`wethrin`	`Uhhuh`
`22:52.59`	`George`	`wethrin: care to recommend any books on symbolic computation?`
`22:53.07`	`wethrin`	`Nope. I don't know any`
`23:14.09`	`George`	`?`
`23:14.32`	`wethrin`	`gregj: ITYM goes off. Gets off has another meaning entirely`
`23:14.47`	`gregj`	`oops`
`23:14.58`	`gregj`	`must be this whole packing, my head is overheated`
`23:15.07`	`wethrin`	`one that you probably wouldn't want to do over dinner :)`
`23:15.34`	`gregj`	`:>`
`23:15.37`	`gregj`	`explain :>`
`23:16.31`	`anth`	`perhaps gregj had chocolate sauce for dinner, and a companion to act as a plate`
`23:16.38`	`wethrin`	`Heh :)`
`23:16.59`	`wethrin`	`Getting off = slang for orgasm`
`23:17.19`	`gregj`	`;]`
`23:17.34`	`gregj`	`so if I say "get off my land dude" ?`
`23:17.45`	`gregj`	`does it mean "spray of over babe"`
`23:17.56`	`gregj`	`(just kidding if you didn't noticed yet)`
`23:17.58`	`gregj`	`spray it`
`23:18.23`	`gregj`	`damn, something must be wrong with me head, I think something and write something completly different`
`23:19.26`	`wethrin`	`Heh. Not quite :)`
`23:19.41`	`wethrin`	`But getting off over dinner implies that you've really enjoyed it ;-)`
`23:19.58`	`wethrin`	`And getting off for dinner, is, well....`
`23:20.29`	`gregj`	`;]`
`23:20.38`	`gregj`	`ok, thakns, I am going to be aware of that`
`23:20.46`	`wethrin`	`:)`
`23:21.17`	`gregj`	`perhaps because there is slangins "spadam na kolacje" or "spadam na samolot" thing in Polish, i got that get off thing`
`23:21.34`	`wethrin`	`Heh. And they mean the same thing?`
`23:21.58`	`gregj`	`you know the word spadam ?`
`23:22.03`	`gregj`	`it means falling off`
`23:22.03`	`wethrin`	`Yup`
`23:22.12`	`wethrin`	`I know the literal translations`
`23:22.22`	`gregj`	`so in slang it means, I am going off for dinner`
`23:22.22`	`wethrin`	`But what about other meanings?`
`23:22.33`	`wethrin`	`Oh right`
`23:22.38`	`gregj`	`and I am going off for plane, flight`
`23:22.45`	`wethrin`	`Enjoy!`
`23:22.50`	`gregj`	`not literaly;)`
`23:22.53`	`wethrin`	`Have a good journey`
`23:24.17`	`gregj`	`falling off on my dinner isn't quite what I want to do ;)`
`23:24.17`	`wethrin`	`Heh`
`23:24.17`	`wethrin`	`Hm. How did it get this late?`
`23:24.17`	`gregj`	`dunno`
`23:24.17`	`gregj`	`time flies`
`23:24.35`	`wethrin`	`time flies like an arror`
`23:24.36`	`wethrin`	`*arrow`
`23:24.40`	`wethrin`	`fruit flies like a banana`
`23:24.47`	`gregj`	`:]`
`23:26.54`	`wethrin`	`:)`

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