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| 00:38.00 | rhowe | uniq? :) |
| 00:38.19 | rhowe | Probably won't work though |
| 00:38.19 | rhowe | Will strip out <ul>'s and stuff |
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| 02:40.17 | Leeds | fucking windows fucking networking |
| 02:40.20 | anth | OTOH I've got my wireless cards so all is good |
| 02:40.24 | Leeds | morning anth :-) |
| 02:40.49 | anth | hello |
| 02:41.14 | anth | windows notworking? |
| 02:41.31 | Leeds | network is fine |
| 02:41.33 | Leeds | http is fine |
| 02:41.41 | Leeds | smtp/pop/imap/etc are all fine AFAIK |
| 02:41.48 | Leeds | outlook/exchange mail - nothing |
| 02:41.53 | Leeds | samba - nothing |
| 02:42.23 | Leeds | the low levels of the stack are fine - and they are the bits I know, know how to troubleshoot, know how to fix |
| 02:42.39 | Leeds | I'm completely lost when it comes to "I can ping that machine, but windows explorer won't mount a filesystem on it" |
| 02:43.57 | Leeds | and I now have *two* bosses who can read their mail through exchange's web access, but can't send through it because the web site is prompting the machine to try to install something from the MS Office CD! |
| 02:44.54 | anth | I guess this is stuff that used to work but spontaneously broke? |
| 02:45.26 | Leeds | meanwhile, my gaim won't login to MSN ("servers are temporarily unavailable") so I can't ask the *actual* windows networking guy, because he's in Sri Lanka |
| 02:45.39 | Leeds | they've both been in Canada for a while, trying to connect back into the network |
| 02:46.23 | anth | I don't really know Exchange but Outlook will try to use Word as a text editor |
| 02:47.03 | anth | It wouldn't surprise me if the exhange web access tried to the the same, and there may be a setting somewhere for that |
| 02:47.19 | anth | Or I could be talking rubbish |
| 02:47.46 | Leeds | they both have word installed... I guess it's trying to load some activeX thing |
| 02:48.20 | anth | MS obviously have a different definition of web than the rest of us |
| 02:48.31 | Leeds | anyway, that's not the problem - the problem is that they can't login to the domain |
| 02:50.15 | anth | Does it affect every computer/user or just some? |
| 03:05.47 | Leeds | just those two - but they are the only two with laptops who've roamed recently |
| 03:08.38 | Leeds | it appears that his (it's a husband and wife thing) laptop at least is trying to become the master browser for the domain |
| 03:09.59 | anth | Have you tried rebooting them while they are plugged in to your network? |
| 03:10.09 | Leeds | sure |
| 03:10.26 | Leeds | the most frustrating thing is the lack of useful command-line tools and logs |
| 03:11.13 | anth | ...and checked what domain they are using when logging in? |
| 03:12.16 | Leeds | one is using the correct domain, and appears to be logging in correctly... |
| 03:12.27 | Leeds | the other is using a workgroup and doesn't seem to be able to *join* the domain |
| 03:15.03 | anth | Do you know where to find the event logs? |
| 03:18.04 | Leeds | yes |
| 03:20.25 | anth | I figured you probably did, but was just checking after what you said about the lack of logs |
| 03:30.09 | Leeds | well, I got the bloody thing to login to the domain - precisely the wrong thing to do |
| 03:30.24 | Leeds | I really don't know windows networking and don't like windows networking |
| 03:30.44 | Leeds | I'm happy to talk (down) to the windows network guy about it, but it's just so *nasty* |
| 03:31.00 | Leeds | it's all closed and binary and just *ugh* |
| 03:32.55 | anth | Yup. Its OK when it works and you don't try to make it do anything MS didn't plan for. Until it breaks |
| 03:33.17 | Leeds | it's just so hard to manipulate it - there's nothing to grab hold of and pull |
| 04:36.08 | Leeds | hacked the fucker into submission |
| 07:30.18 | eye69 | Morning. |
| 07:32.48 | highbury | morning |
| 07:32.49 | Leeds | afternoon |
| 07:45.57 | Cope | hello |
| 08:26.58 | mozrat | Good morning |
| 08:45.50 | wethrin | Grrruh |
| 08:45.58 | wethrin | Someone remind me what month we're in, please |
| 09:09.51 | Cope | what's wring with: find . -type f -exec rm {} ; |
| 09:10.44 | Cope | oh... \; |
| 09:19.41 | mozrat | with such a wide search filter why not just use rm? |
| 09:19.51 | mozrat | or you want to keep directories there only? |
| 09:21.39 | eye69 | Might be too many files for rm to handle. |
| 09:22.57 | mozrat | I see |
| 09:27.02 | Cope | mozrat: as eye69 said |
| 09:27.45 | mozrat | whats the limit of files that rm can support? |
| 09:40.57 | Leeds | very unlikely to be anything to do with how many files rm can support - likely to be a shell issue |
| 09:44.30 | George | blah |
| 09:48.50 | highbury | find . -xdev -type f -exec rm {} \; |
| 09:48.55 | highbury | followed by |
| 09:49.11 | highbury | find . -xdev -type d -depth -exec rmdir {} \; |
| 09:56.22 | gregj | good murding |
| 09:57.47 | Leeds | gregj: you are in... Poland now? |
| 10:09.31 | gregj | nope |
| 10:09.38 | gregj | still in london |
| 10:09.49 | gregj | hooked up in outer space ;0 |
| 10:14.39 | Cope | Leeds: no no no; the ; needed to be escaped - which I realised immediately. The reason for using find and not rm was the number of files I needed to remove. |
| 10:15.34 | Leeds | Cope: I was answering mozrat :-) |
| 10:15.37 | eye69 | Leeds: Isn't it rm that can't handle that number of arguments? |
| 10:15.42 | Leeds | and/or eye69 |
| 10:15.50 | eye69 | I believe that's what the error message is. |
| 10:16.28 | Cope | no the error was simply because I hadn't escaped ; |
| 10:16.51 | Cope | 10:02 < Cope> what's wring with: find . -type f -exec rm {} ; |
| 10:16.51 | Cope | 10:03 < Cope> oh... \; |
| 10:19.49 | Leeds | they really need some vnc around here... just had the local admin, who's in Sri Lanka at the moment, talk me through truncating the transaction log on the sql server |
| 10:31.44 | gregj | hrhr, no software patents in eu |
| 10:31.59 | gregj | we won, my friend is in brusels |
| 10:34.01 | Leeds | meanwhile, they chose random numbers for each city in the Olympic vote, and London got 8 - which is a very lucky number if you're Chinese :-) |
| 10:36.09 | gregj | 12:35 -!- aigarius changed the topic of #ffii to: EU Parliament rejects software patents 648 to 14. |
| 10:36.12 | rhowe | Leeds: Indeed so :) |
| 10:36.19 | gregj | rhowe: y0 |
| 10:36.30 | rhowe | gregj: Just sending the email now. |
| 10:36.40 | Leeds | rhowe: have I been spending too much time around Chinese people yer? |
| 10:36.41 | Leeds | yet |
| 10:36.41 | rhowe | gregj: I'm torn between two pubs.. what do you think? |
| 10:36.52 | rhowe | Leeds: No such thing as spending too much time around Chinese people :) |
| 10:36.58 | gregj | rhowe: I don't like to be rude, but "whatever" |
| 10:37.01 | Leeds | the fact that 8 actually jumped out at me as a lucky number :-) |
| 10:37.20 | rhowe | gregj: heh, well there's the Founder's arms, which is by the river, and which does OK food, but it's just posh pub grub really |
| 10:37.26 | rhowe | gregj: They do real ale, and it's a nice location |
| 10:37.33 | rhowe | gregj: Especially good if we can be outside |
| 10:37.38 | rhowe | bah, phone |
| 10:39.02 | Leeds | where the Chinese was just a local random cafe :-) |
| 10:39.05 | gregj | cannibals |
| 10:40.24 | rhowe | KO |
| 10:40.28 | rhowe | OK |
| 10:41.08 | Leeds | down to Paris vs. London as it was always going to be |
| 10:41.11 | rhowe | gregj: Or there's a Canadian bar |
| 10:41.22 | rhowe | gregj: Which is opposite the Porterhouse, which is a huge pub thing |
| 10:41.40 | rhowe | gregj: I guess you've had enough of Canadian bars, though :) |
| 10:44.42 | rhowe | OK, Founder's arms it is then |
| 10:46.47 | rhowe | hmm |
| 10:49.23 | Leeds | rhowe: got an email from my mum, effectively asking if I could find the price of a watch in HK for her... particular watches she's interested in go for 850 or 950 quid in the UK! |
| 10:50.40 | gregj | noh, No Canadian Beer PLEASE |
| 10:51.46 | wethrin | heh |
| 10:51.56 | gregj | it taste like piss |
| 10:52.14 | wethrin | Get a nice microbrewery, then |
| 10:52.32 | rhowe | Leeds: heh |
| 10:53.06 | rhowe | Leeds: Another interesting factoid about 8, 88 is the same as sayign "bye bye" :) |
| 10:53.12 | rhowe | Leeds: Since 8 is pronounced 'ba' |
| 10:55.08 | rhowe | hmmmm |
| 10:55.22 | wethrin | George: stop being so violent |
| 10:55.27 | rhowe | If I have a disk image, with a partition table and a partition, how do I mount the partition? |
| 10:55.38 | gregj | mount partition |
| 10:55.38 | gregj | :D |
| 10:55.41 | rhowe | I can use losetup to get a block device that references the image |
| 10:55.43 | gregj | fdisk -l /dev/disk |
| 10:55.48 | gregj | and see which one is it |
| 10:55.59 | rhowe | Then if I run fdisk on that block device, it can see the partition, but the kernel refuses to scan it for partitions |
| 10:56.18 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.18 | rhowe | /dev/loop0p1 3 17967 988034+ 6 FAT16 |
| 10:56.21 | gregj | open fdisk, and rewrite partition table again |
| 10:56.27 | rhowe | Invalid argument :) |
| 10:56.41 | rhowe | Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table. |
| 10:56.41 | rhowe | WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 22: Invalid argument. |
| 10:56.41 | rhowe | The kernel still uses the old table. |
| 10:56.42 | gregj | if you want to mount loop device, use -o loop for mount |
| 10:56.48 | gregj | oh |
| 10:56.53 | gregj | disc must be in use |
| 10:56.56 | rhowe | I want to mount a partition inside the loop device |
| 10:56.59 | rhowe | Nope, it's not in use |
| 10:57.01 | gregj | you will have to reboot to get him to rescan it |
| 10:57.01 | Leeds | gregj: the point is that he wants to mount partition X of loop device Y |
| 10:57.21 | Leeds | gregj: it's not a real device |
| 10:57.28 | gregj | sure |
| 10:57.37 | George | wethrin: I'm not being violent; the gun was |
| 10:57.45 | Leeds | so if you reboot, you just lose the loopback mapping |
| 10:57.48 | rhowe | I wonder if I can just guess a major minor number for this mythical 'loop0p1' :) |
| 10:58.02 | rhowe | I can do the equivalent of rebooting just by destroying the mapping and recreating it |
| 10:58.06 | rhowe | But that gets me nowhere :) |
| 10:58.20 | rhowe | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 0 2005-07-06 11:51 loop0 |
| 10:58.20 | rhowe | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 1 2005-07-06 11:51 loop1 |
| 10:58.27 | rhowe | Hm, maybe loop devices don't support partitions |
| 10:58.28 | wethrin | Guns don't kill people..... |
| 10:58.34 | Leeds | your best bet is probably to work out where in the image the partition you want starts, and dd a new image from that point, maybe |
| 10:58.40 | gregj | loop devices don't support parts I guess |
| 10:58.41 | rhowe | Leeds: Hmm |
| 10:58.45 | Leeds | random idea :-) |
| 10:59.32 | rhowe | dd bs=56320 skip=3 if=sd-card.img of=sd-partition.img :) |
| 10:59.38 | rhowe | Let's see what it makes of that |
| 10:59.45 | rhowe | Not that I have the disk space for this... |
| 11:00.04 | Leeds | I was going to say the hard part would be working out where the partition started |
| 11:00.12 | rhowe | Units = cylinders of 110 * 512 = 56320 bytes |
| 11:00.12 | Leeds | I assume you only want read-only access |
| 11:00.17 | rhowe | Start: 3 |
| 11:00.23 | Leeds | plus any headery-type stuff? |
| 11:00.41 | rhowe | I want to run a fsck.vfat on it |
| 11:01.04 | Leeds | with the intent of fixing it, or just checking for errors? |
| 11:01.16 | edward | London or Paris |
| 11:01.41 | Leeds | edward: heads or tails :-) |
| 11:03.18 | rhowe | fixing it |
| 11:03.57 | rhowe | Or at least trying to get some data out of it |
| 11:04.21 | Leeds | hometime |
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| 11:46.05 | Cope | fwfw 50p on France |
| 11:46.13 | Cope | erm fwiw |
| 11:49.37 | rhowe | heh, London |
| 11:49.49 | Cope | eek |
| 11:50.01 | Cope | last person to leave London turn the light off |
| 11:50.02 | rhowe | heh, some people just squealed in the office |
| 11:51.23 | gregj | like a pig ? |
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| 11:52.21 | Cope | hello leeds |
| 11:52.43 | Leeds | evening Cope |
| 11:52.48 | Leeds | ooh, London Olympics! |
| 11:53.29 | gregj | we won ? |
| 11:53.34 | rhowe | yup |
| 11:54.02 | Leeds | gregj: what's this "we", Canada-boy? :-) |
| 11:55.29 | edward | http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/London_to_host_2012_Olympic_Games |
| 11:55.31 | Leeds | gregj: seriously, are you planning/expecting to be anywhere near London in 7 years time? I don't think I am |
| 12:08.40 | ufo | hi guys, what software could I use for video streaming? |
| 12:09.09 | Leeds | ufo: videolan... what sort of streaming? |
| 12:09.21 | rhowe | ffmpeg has something, I think, but last I checked it was kinda fragile |
| 12:09.43 | ufo | Leeds: view from webcam |
| 12:09.51 | rhowe | ufo: gnomemeeting? |
| 12:10.03 | ufo | Which is located on windsurfing spot, connection is dsl |
| 12:10.29 | ufo | So i'm considering sending images/stream to the server on good enought connection and tell clients to connect into that server |
| 12:10.32 | ufo | But |
| 12:10.37 | Leeds | point-to-point streaming or broadcasting? |
| 12:10.45 | ufo | I don't know what softwace can do streaming ... |
| 12:11.29 | ufo | Live view is what? |
| 12:12.09 | ufo | I'm talking about view from this cam http://www.kiterewa.pl/webcam.htm |
| 12:12.12 | Leeds | what I mean is, streaming to one fixed client (i.e. you) or to random people? |
| 12:12.22 | ufo | Now it's configured to take a shot every 5min |
| 12:12.31 | ufo | To random people |
| 12:12.55 | Leeds | live streaming to random people takes *lots* of bandwidth, potentially - and quite a lot of CPU, possibly |
| 12:13.45 | rhowe | If you're doing it from a remote location, probably better to somehow do point-to-point streaming and relay it on from a host with much bandwidth |
| 12:13.59 | Leeds | right |
| 12:17.54 | ufo | That's I want to do. Coz webcam is on dsl line |
| 12:18.46 | ufo | So, which software sould I use for that? |
| 12:18.56 | Leeds | the main problem as I'd see it would be that you need the streaming in a public-friendly format - both stream and video/audio codec |
| 12:19.35 | ufo | no, I just want to stream cideo |
| 12:19.37 | ufo | video |
| 12:20.09 | Leeds | oh, okay... |
| 12:20.15 | Leeds | well, mjpeg is probably a good idea |
| 12:20.23 | ufo | or taking shots every 2sec and sare the photos ... but video strem is much better idea |
| 12:20.40 | edward | http://www.london2012.org/ <-- Service Unavailable |
| 12:20.47 | ufo | I'm just looking at videolan ... |
| 12:21.29 | Leeds | videolan is nice, and it's designed for streaming |
| 12:21.42 | Leeds | not that user-friendly, but I'm sure that's not a problem |
| 12:21.58 | gregj | but it's designed for streaming on local area network |
| 12:21.59 | gregj | :] |
| 12:22.22 | Leeds | true |
| 12:22.59 | gregj | it doesn't use rtp and uses mpeg, which isn't very bandwith effective |
| 12:23.50 | ufo | so, mjpeg? |
| 12:24.18 | gregj | mjpeg is what most cameras use |
| 12:24.44 | ufo | But it's just a codec or soft? |
| 12:24.51 | Leeds | it's a codec |
| 12:25.00 | Leeds | or rather a video format |
| 12:25.14 | gregj | it is avi with jpeg images formated as movie |
| 12:26.21 | ufo | how about this ? http://developer.apple.com/darwin/ |
| 12:27.56 | ufo | I know that codec should be mjpeg but what about the server software |
| 12:28.10 | ufo | I'm googling for a complete solution .... |
| 12:28.43 | mozrat | Marcin, have you seen www.zoneminder.com |
| 12:28.56 | ufo | No |
| 12:29.00 | mozrat | have a look |
| 12:29.39 | ufo | mozrat: I need solution for windsurfing spot monitoring ;] |
| 12:29.49 | mozrat | :) |
| 12:30.08 | mozrat | there's a webcam package in debian that uploads snapshots every n minutes |
| 12:30.59 | ufo | I remember that I used to play with cameras when I was on univ. |
| 12:31.19 | Leeds | yeah, webcam is easy... streaming video is harder |
| 12:31.44 | ufo | Do you think 2Mbit is enought for streaming? |
| 12:32.00 | mozrat | ufo you want to stream video? |
| 12:32.07 | Leeds | depends on how many streams |
| 12:32.22 | ufo | mozrat: yes, view from camera ... |
| 12:33.24 | ufo | depends on weather ;) |
| 12:33.48 | ufo | and how many chaps are at work and can't windsurf ;> |
| 12:37.07 | gregj | you can purchase whole mac os x solution for quicktime streaming, but that's couple of grand |
| 12:38.05 | ufo | I need free (open) solution :) |
| 12:39.32 | gregj | I have no idea how to help you mate, sorry |
| 12:43.23 | Leeds | gregj: the apple streaming server is free, open source, and cross-platform... |
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| 12:43.35 | jason_ukfsn | hello all |
| 12:44.14 | Leeds | evening jason_ukfsn |
| 12:44.23 | gregj | Leeds: yeah, but codecs are not |
| 12:44.48 | Leeds | gregj: I don't know what codecs you can plug into the streaming server - there must be some free stuff |
| 12:45.42 | gregj | I got new ultra 30 |
| 12:45.45 | gregj | with 2x300mhz |
| 12:45.46 | gregj | ;] |
| 12:46.07 | gregj | I got spare 400mhz CPU, I wonder if I can put there one 300 and other one 400 |
| 12:46.10 | gregj | will it work that way ? |
| 12:46.22 | gregj | some archs can handle that kinda conf |
| 12:46.35 | Leeds | I'm not sure about SPARC |
| 12:48.17 | gregj | intel doesn't work this way, cos intel smp shares everythng |
| 12:48.29 | gregj | it's master-slave arch, with external clocking |
| 12:48.39 | gregj | while sparc has pretty much everything on the die |
| 12:50.26 | rhowe | Try it and see :) |
| 12:50.57 | gregj | is it correct in English to say: "blablabla if you want to keep your existing files alongside Kubuntu". |
| 12:51.44 | gregj | question is about alongside used here |
| 12:52.11 | rhowe | "Do blah if you want to keep/preserve your existing files alongside Kubuntu" sure |
| 12:52.27 | gregj | ok |
| 12:52.32 | George | flooble |
| 12:52.34 | gregj | I am just trying to find typo here |
| 12:52.45 | rhowe | Or maybe better, reverse it |
| 12:52.56 | rhowe | "If you want to install Kubuntu, but preserve your existing files, do blah" |
| 12:53.10 | eye69 | Leeds: What router did you buy, and was it wireless? |
| 12:54.09 | Leeds | eye69: asus wl500g-deluxe, and yes |
| 12:54.50 | eye69 | Leeds: Ok, thanks. |
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| 13:03.24 | JAV | afternoon |
| 13:03.49 | JAV | and... congratulations :D |
| 13:13.39 | Leeds | JAV: thanks :-) |
| 13:21.27 | JAV | I'm talking about software patents, of course :P |
| 13:22.17 | Leeds | of course |
| 13:41.54 | rhowe | Leeds: I trust you will comment on Simon Rumble's statement that public transport in London is reasonably priced? :) |
| 13:42.10 | Leeds | rhowe: was planning to, yes :-) |
| 13:42.23 | Leeds | main problem with the MTR is the tunnel charges |
| 13:42.34 | rhowe | To go under the bay? |
| 13:42.43 | Leeds | yup |
| 13:42.49 | rhowe | That's what the star ferry's for |
| 13:43.08 | Leeds | true, but a lot less convenient, particularly when it's pissing it down |
| 13:43.16 | rhowe | Er, I mean Tet's comments about public transport prices |
| 13:43.32 | rhowe | Leeds: Hm, I guess. I've not yet experienced a proper rainstorm in HK |
| 13:43.33 | Leeds | I knew what you meant |
| 13:43.43 | Leeds | I really really have |
| 13:44.32 | Leeds | I've come home up the escalator - that's about 5m of open air, plus maybe another 25m from the escalator to my building, and it felt like I'd stepped out the shower when I got in |
| 13:44.43 | rhowe | hehe |
| 13:44.51 | rhowe | I'd love that |
| 13:44.59 | rhowe | Not sure I could tire of it either |
| 13:45.20 | Leeds | I had to hang my t-shirt up, because it was wet enough that if I'd have just chucked it in the laundry would have just made my wardrobe wet |
| 13:45.46 | Leeds | oh, it wasn't bad rain - still 27 degrees or so - but very heavy |
| 13:45.54 | Leeds | you know the official warnings? |
| 13:46.45 | rhowe | Not really, but I know of them |
| 13:46.57 | Leeds | amber, red, black |
| 13:47.07 | rhowe | Hm, no, don't know those ones |
| 13:47.18 | rhowe | Typhoons have a different signalling system I think |
| 13:47.21 | Leeds | amber means "heavy rain coming", red means "heavy rain here", black means "really really heavy rain, don't go outside" |
| 13:47.22 | rhowe | That's the one I've read about |
| 13:47.27 | Leeds | yeah, typhoon warnings are different |
| 13:47.32 | rhowe | Numbers, no? |
| 13:47.44 | Leeds | there are a bunch of warnings - we've had official hot weather warnings this week :-) |
| 13:47.51 | Leeds | yeah, numbers - and directions |
| 13:48.22 | rhowe | They put cold weather warnings on TV when it drops below about 15 |
| 13:48.36 | Leeds | there's also a monsoon warning - had one of them last week, a thunder warning - had that one most of the time between getting back here and Friday... |
| 13:50.05 | Leeds | well, lightning warning, really - they're alerting people of large chunks of wild electricity, not loud noises :-) |
| 13:52.42 | rhowe | heh, yeah |
| 13:52.56 | rhowe | I find it funny when people talk about thunder being dangerous :) |
| 13:53.12 | wethrin | It can hurt your ears |
| 13:53.23 | wethrin | Or it can make a dog mad enough to bite :) |
| 13:58.47 | Leeds | but even in HK, which is a bit of a nanny (not really a city-)state, they don't warn people of loud natural noises |
| 14:08.03 | Leeds | oops! |
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| 14:19.23 | Leeds | bah |
| 14:19.38 | wethrin | humbug |
| 14:20.37 | Leeds | bah, my router has forgotten how to see its external hard drive |
| 14:21.04 | wethrin | oops |
| 14:22.12 | Leeds | yes, it did that too |
| 14:25.08 | Leeds | oopsed, that is |
| 14:27.03 | wethrin | heh |
| 14:27.03 | George | c'est Leeds |
| 14:27.50 | Leeds | by the way: (flood) |
| 14:27.53 | Leeds | root@OpenWrt:~# df -k ; free |
| 14:27.53 | Leeds | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 14:27.53 | Leeds | /dev/root 1024 1024 0 100% /rom |
| 14:27.53 | Leeds | /dev/mtdblock/4 2240 1356 884 61% / |
| 14:27.53 | Leeds | none 15292 20 15272 0% /tmp |
| 14:27.56 | Leeds | /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3156159792 53198976 102960816 34% /storage/usb1 |
| 14:27.58 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.00 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.02 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.04 | Leeds | Total: 30584 9412 21172 |
| 14:28.18 | wethrin | devfs sucks |
| 14:28.40 | Leeds | yeah, sort of |
| 14:30.16 | George | Leeds: df -h |
| 14:31.21 | Leeds | my main problem right now is that the drive is hfsplus formatted, by my Mac... I'm planning to bring the mac mini back here, at which point it'll gain the external drive, so there's no point reformatting it to ext3 or something... but the Linux support isn't 100%, I think |
| 14:31.27 | Leeds | George: I prefer -k |
| 14:32.48 | Leeds | <jgh> If Chirac phones Blair to say thanks then the Sun will run the headline: |
| 14:32.48 | Leeds | <jgh> Crazy Frog rings Tone |
| 14:34.04 | wethrin | oh dear : |
| 14:34.20 | wethrin | You can get ext2 support for OS X |
| 14:34.23 | wethrin | I've got it running |
| 14:34.29 | Leeds | really??? |
| 14:34.45 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 14:34.46 | Leeds | that's very interesting |
| 14:35.08 | wethrin | I can't remember the package OTTOMH - it's upstairs on my office computer |
| 14:35.39 | wethrin | But google://ext2 os x support |
| 14:36.34 | Leeds | ext2fsx.sf.net |
| 14:40.32 | wethrin | Sounds about right |
| 14:45.44 | Leeds | reboot time... |
| 14:47.02 | Leeds | but first: from the pdisk man page... |
| 14:47.11 | Leeds | BUGS |
| 14:47.11 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.17 | Leeds | :-) |
| 14:48.37 | wethrin | heh |
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| 15:00.37 | edward | being the XXX olympiad, London 2012 does leave some room for obvious SoHo sex shop tie-ins |
| 15:02.57 | Leeds | very good point |
| 15:04.25 | Leeds | hmm... two of the 'sponsored links' on gmail from the conversation about train prices are for the trans-siberian railway... |
| 15:44.21 | edward | http://slashdot.org/ <-- 503 Service Unavailable |
| 15:47.23 | rhowe | Works here |
| 15:48.47 | George | ok |
| 15:48.55 | George | anyone going to the FLOSSIE conference on thursday/friday next week? |
| 15:52.20 | edward | URL? |
| 15:53.09 | wethrin | Is that something to do with dental hygiene? |
| 15:54.13 | George | http://www.schoolforge.org.uk/flossie/conference200507.html |
| 16:02.37 | edward | http://edwardbetts.com/tmp/olympics_1.jpg |
| 16:04.53 | George | oiy |
| 16:04.56 | George | fish and chips are LOVELY |
| 16:07.53 | wethrin | They're not |
| 16:08.26 | Leeds | see, the point of a general-purpose machine masquerading as a router... I've written my own monitoring tool, based on a shell script reading and parsing /proc/net/dev :-) |
| 16:08.42 | wethrin | :) |
| 16:09.25 | Leeds | it runs, it outputs a static HTML page for the simple web server to serve, with a 60 second refresh |
| 16:09.34 | wethrin | :) |
| 16:09.40 | George | right, well |
| 16:09.41 | Leeds | and I had *excellent* fish'n'chips on Saturday night with pdr's mum |
| 16:09.43 | George | I have two articles to do. |
| 16:17.41 | rhowe | hm, what an eclectic mix thisis |
| 16:17.54 | rhowe | Ayumi Hamasaki interspersed with cantopop and mandarin pop |
| 16:18.05 | rhowe | Leeds: How much Cantopop have you been subject to so far? :) |
| 16:18.25 | Leeds | only background music... got Simon & Garfunkel on right now :-) |
| 16:18.44 | rhowe | Leeds: Until you know the words to at least one Cantopop song, you're an outsider :) |
| 16:18.58 | rhowe | Leeds: And of course you have to know the melodies to all of them (hardly a challenge :) |
| 16:19.09 | rhowe | Leeds: http://siksai.co.uk/hidden/00Chinese/ if you want to revise :) |
| 16:20.16 | rhowe | bah |
| 16:20.23 | rhowe | Just as I find the lyrics to the song it finishes |
| 16:20.42 | Leeds | and here's to you, Mrs. Robinson... :-) |
| 16:20.52 | rhowe | hm, no chance of finding the lyrics to this... it's Cantonese |
| 16:20.57 | rhowe | I have no idea how to romanise it |
| 16:21.18 | rhowe | Leeds: http://72.21.38.170:8000 (MP3 stream :) |
| 16:21.30 | rhowe | Assuming your connection permits |
| 16:21.55 | rhowe | hm, actually streaming from Texas |
| 16:22.35 | Leeds | yeah, http is fine - it's just irc I have to tunnel |
| 16:22.47 | rhowe | hm, no Hampshire |
| 16:22.53 | rhowe | network:Org-Name:ISN NETWORKS LIMITED |
| 16:22.53 | rhowe | network:Street-Address:26 CONISTON ROAD |
| 16:22.53 | rhowe | network:City:BORDON |
| 16:22.53 | rhowe | network:State:HAMPSHIRE |
| 16:23.05 | Leeds | again, ideally, part of the point of having an intelligent thing as a router is that I might be able to auto-tunnel |
| 16:24.11 | rhowe | Hm, time to head for the pub, I guess |
| 16:24.28 | Cope | mmm pub |
| 16:25.09 | Leeds | getting to past "playing with external hard drives" time and onto "need to be asleep" time |
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| 16:37.53 | Leeds | rhowe: streaming seems to work fine, but I'm not too sure about the content :-) |
| 16:43.03 | Cope | heh |
| 16:43.44 | agk | anyone got a phone number for Dave Cross? |
| 16:44.34 | gregj | :] |
| 16:44.49 | wethrin | eep |
| 16:45.05 | agk | (or for Dean, who might have one) |
| 16:45.16 | agk | (phone number I have for Dean gives 'number unobtainable) |
| 16:45.37 | Leeds | I only have an old number for Dean here - he did give me a business card, but it's in London |
| 16:46.12 | wethrin | oh, business card....one sec.... |
| 16:46.35 | wethrin | ah, no |
| 16:46.52 | Leeds | is it still worktime in London? |
| 16:46.56 | wethrin | that only has his old work numbers |
| 16:47.27 | gregj | Leeds: nope, it's nearly 18 |
| 16:49.13 | Leeds | hmm... then I really shouldn't still be awake |
| 16:49.37 | wethrin | indeed |
| 16:50.27 | Leeds | agk: you could always see if Raphael the FOSDEM bloke has his details... |
| 16:51.04 | Leeds | agk: or his website has msn/aim/yahoo/jabber addresses |
| 16:51.27 | agk | can't get onto the fosdem wiki at the moment |
| 16:51.36 | agk | giving proxy error |
| 16:52.21 | agk | urgently trying to find a perl speaker for the Olympia show in October |
| 16:52.44 | Leeds | I'd try his IM |
| 16:59.34 | wethrin | is he not on irc.perl.org #london.pm ? |
| 17:25.07 | George | wow |
| 17:25.13 | George | can it be? agk not idling? :) |
| 17:26.51 | Leeds | okay, now to try this ext2 for mac os thing |
| 17:37.30 | gregj | fuck, I just realized that I have to pay for another piece of laguage |
| 17:37.39 | gregj | and my bank tells me I have no more money on me account |
| 17:37.39 | gregj | damn |
| 17:37.50 | Leeds | oops |
| 17:37.53 | wethrin | oops |
| 17:37.59 | Leeds | I opened a local bank account today... |
| 17:38.15 | gregj | I can write money to my other account, but it will take 2 days |
| 17:38.17 | gregj | grrr |
| 17:38.21 | gregj | fuck |
| 17:38.30 | Leeds | slightly strangely, the company will only pay into accounts with a specific bank... |
| 17:38.45 | gregj | Leeds: maybe they have provision on that ;) |
| 17:38.55 | gregj | or it's friends friend who owns bank |
| 17:39.13 | Leeds | nah, apparently they get a better deal with the bank because they've signed an exclusive contract |
| 17:45.54 | gregj | damn |
| 17:45.56 | gregj | I have to borrow 50 qui |
| 17:45.57 | gregj | d |
| 17:46.11 | gregj | in cash,today, damn damn damn damn damn |
| 17:49.10 | Leeds | can't really help you, sorry |
| 17:50.36 | wethrin | Ask some rich person at the pub |
| 17:52.08 | gregj | I will ;) |
| 17:52.12 | wethrin | heh |
| 17:58.03 | George | flooble |
| 17:58.22 | Leeds | hmm... external drive with ext2 seems to work... |
| 17:58.24 | wethrin | Hahahahahaha |
| 17:58.28 | wethrin | Leeds: Excellent |
| 17:58.49 | Leeds | I'll try unplugging it from the Mac and plugging it back into the router in a minute |
| 18:00.01 | Leeds | one minor issue is that I seem to have named the volume -F :-) |
| 18:00.24 | wethrin | Heh |
| 18:04.06 | Leeds | okay, that didn't quite work |
| 18:05.46 | Leeds | partitioning is messed up |
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| 18:12.36 | Leeds | morning Blissex |
| 18:13.07 | Blissex | merry christmas :-) |
| 18:13.22 | George | dude |
| 18:13.25 | Leeds | ? |
| 18:13.27 | George | EVERYONE knows it's Easter |
| 18:13.28 | George | idiot. :P |
| 18:13.35 | Leeds | it's past 2am |
| 18:13.40 | George | hey Leeds |
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| 18:14.41 | Leeds | morning George |
| 18:14.59 | George | heh |
| 18:16.07 | Leeds | London is a suprisingly large place :-) |
| 18:23.13 | George | :P |
| 18:23.42 | Leeds | Blissex: there are regulars here in London, but also in New Zealand, Hong Kong, Canada (sometimes)... |
| 18:29.55 | mozrat | even some in Newport Pagnell!!! |
| 18:30.22 | Leeds | yes! |
| 18:31.10 | George | :P |
| 18:31.19 | George | cross compilers are your friend |
| 18:31.31 | Leeds | argh! |
| 18:31.48 | Leeds | I wish people would stop telling me to build a fucking cross compiler! |
| 18:31.50 | Leeds | I know that! |
| 18:31.54 | Leeds | but not on a Mac! |
| 18:32.49 | George | hahahahaha |
| 18:33.17 | Leeds | I just want a fucking binary... one bloke - one of the developers, I guess - offered to add it to the CVS and build a package for me! |
| 18:34.30 | George | it's at times like these when you wish your bum was a cross compiler |
| 18:34.48 | Leeds | it's at times like these when I wish I was asleep |
| 18:35.04 | George | :) |
| 18:35.17 | Leeds | or alternatively when I wish I would just stop fucking around and spend a couple of hundred quid on a simple home server... |
| 18:35.39 | Leeds | not that there's much space around here for that, hence using the silent router as a simple server |
| 18:36.23 | George | hah |
| 18:36.26 | George | tight git |
| 18:36.43 | Leeds | unpaid git! |
| 18:37.30 | George | hah |
| 18:37.48 | George | well, that's what you get for ... I dunno |
| 18:37.52 | George | not being a good solaris lover. |
| 18:38.03 | Leeds | am owed about US$700 by the company, and the plan is to start paying me next month AFAIK |
| 18:38.29 | George | that's not particularly much is it? |
| 18:38.35 | George | 300 pounds |
| 18:38.45 | George | that's a 3 page article |
| 18:39.08 | Leeds | that's just a bonus - they pay a per diem for being in Sri Lanka, and I was there for 28 days |
| 18:39.24 | George | heh |
| 18:39.28 | George | the company = sun? |
| 18:39.33 | Leeds | no! |
| 18:39.35 | George | ok |
| 18:39.36 | Leeds | the bra company |
| 18:39.38 | George | oh |
| 18:39.43 | George | aka Perverts United |
| 18:39.44 | George | ok |
| 18:39.49 | Leeds | in case you hadn't noticed, I no longer work for Sun |
| 18:39.53 | George | yes, I know |
| 18:39.58 | George | but you said owed |
| 18:40.05 | George | I assumed that was from when you were still in a job |
| 18:40.51 | Leeds | nope, Sun have paid me up... the bra company gave me an advance, but I've gone through that, so they need to start paying me - and they already owe me that bonus |
| 18:41.11 | George | what the HELL are you doing working for a bra company anyway? :) |
| 18:41.23 | Leeds | apparently moving into management! |
| 18:41.28 | George | eek |
| 18:41.30 | George | you don't want to go there |
| 18:41.35 | George | you REALLY don't want to go there :) |
| 18:41.41 | George | you might turn into a brainless idiot |
| 18:41.51 | Leeds | unlikely |
| 18:41.56 | Leeds | well, no more so than already |
| 18:42.05 | George | heh |
| 18:42.06 | George | beat me to it |
| 18:44.20 | Cope | hello George |
| 18:44.28 | George | heya Cope |
| 18:44.30 | George | Cope: how's things? |
| 18:49.48 | Cope | and you? |
| 18:49.57 | George | fine |
| 18:50.01 | George | got two articles to do |
| 18:50.07 | George | 4 day shooting match next week |
| 18:50.10 | George | up to cambridge tomorrow |
| 18:50.12 | George | ;) |
| 18:51.40 | Cope | what sort of articles |
| 18:53.26 | George | one on linux in education |
| 18:53.28 | George | one on firewalls |
| 18:55.56 | Cope | do you know anything about firewalls? |
| 18:57.16 | Blissex | Cope: my nice 'iptables' notes... http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxIptables.html |
| 18:57.40 | Cope | Blissex: yes, but you miss my point. |
| 18:57.45 | mozrat | *bsd people - netstat -nap doesn't give me the pid of applications listening to the network |
| 18:57.51 | mozrat | do you know what does? |
| 18:58.00 | Blissex | Cope: you were asking :-) |
| 18:58.00 | Cope | The point is does George know anything about firewalls? |
| 18:58.08 | Cope | Blissex: context, my friend. |
| 18:58.46 | Blissex | Cope: from occasional visits to #iptables not knowing anything about firewalls never stopped anybody :-) |
| 18:59.05 | Cope | hehe |
| 19:00.05 | Cope | I just think its a bit odd... take someone who knows nothing, or nearly nothing about $subject and get them to write an article about it... shouldn't we be getting people who actually do know something about the subject to write the articles? |
| 19:00.17 | Cope | Hence my question of George - he may well know lots about firewalls |
| 19:00.45 | Cope | I know very little about firewalls - I could research and regurgitate stuff, like a bad undergraduate essay |
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| 19:01.12 | Cope | but that's pretty poor, especially given the money one gets paid, and the money people pay for the privelage |
| 19:01.16 | resuDaed | evening all |
| 19:01.16 | Cope | Tom! |
| 19:01.18 | Cope | woo! |
| 19:01.24 | Cope | kickass]# |
| 19:01.26 | Cope | hi |
| 19:01.30 | resuDaed | evening hope, hows life? |
| 19:01.37 | Cope | awesome |
| 19:01.44 | resuDaed | heard telehouse had a power cut :-) |
| 19:01.50 | Cope | hehe |
| 19:01.53 | Cope | you could say that |
| 19:02.36 | resuDaed | do you (or anyone else) have experience with iomega ditto max pro tape drives? |
| 19:03.14 | resuDaed | according to ftape docs, they don't support formatting tapes --- which leads to the burning question, how do I format a tape (or do I need to) |
| 19:03.25 | Cope | mozrat: use fstat |
| 19:04.19 | mozrat | Cope: ok, thanks |
| 19:05.03 | resuDaed | Cope, been googling for a while :-( |
| 19:05.12 | Cope | No, the Ditto Max can't format tapes. |
| 19:05.13 | Cope | This is a hardware limitation of the Ditto Max (Pro) tape drive. It can't be helped at the software level, i.e. it isn't ftape's fault. |
| 19:05.45 | resuDaed | Cope : yeah, found references to that a million times, but havn't found a way to use one |
| 19:06.00 | resuDaed | I have a drive with 2x 5/10GB tapes |
| 19:06.06 | Cope | well wasn't your question whether you can format tapes? |
| 19:06.09 | Cope | answer: no |
| 19:06.27 | resuDaed | (or do I need to)</quote> |
| 19:06.35 | Cope | the device itself cannot format tapes - end of discussion |
| 19:06.45 | resuDaed | :-P |
| 19:06.46 | Cope | do you need to? |
| 19:07.18 | Cope | well... I would say it was a hopeless design if it was a prerequisite of its use that the tapes be formatted, yet it was incapable of formatting tapes. |
| 19:07.42 | resuDaed | my theory exactly, and if it really is a h/w limitation, how does the windows software cope? |
| 19:07.43 | Cope | but I may be wrong there. |
| 19:07.56 | Cope | resuDaed: presumably no different |
| 19:08.10 | Cope | resuDaed: if its a h/w limitation, that's the end of the road. |
| 19:08.52 | Cope | I'm guessing, of course, based on what I've read; but I'd say its a reasonably sound view to hold. |
| 19:09.18 | resuDaed | but how to use the damn drive isn't meantioned anywhere |
| 19:09.43 | resuDaed | I can't even dd/tar directly on to the thing |
| 19:09.48 | Cope | hmmmm |
| 19:09.55 | Cope | mozrat: cool? |
| 19:10.46 | Cope | fstat is v nice |
| 19:13.23 | Blissex | resuDaed: just use DVD-RW/RAm they are way cheaper and much much faster. |
| 19:14.00 | Cope | eww |
| 19:14.06 | Cope | resuDaed: ignore that! |
| 19:14.19 | Cope | dvds are not a suitable backup medium |
| 19:14.23 | Cope | for anything serious |
| 19:14.33 | Cope | very very mutable |
| 19:15.13 | Cope | although I suppose it depends on your policy / cycle |
| 19:15.24 | Cope | Blissex: what do you do? |
| 19:16.38 | resuDaed | Cope : I am still a tape man, don't worry |
| 19:17.50 | Blissex | Cope: I backup to hard disc or to DVD-RW (which is not indeed as reliable as DVD-RAM). |
| 19:25.26 | mozrat | Cope, fstat is very cool, thanks |
| 19:27.40 | resuDaed | according to windoze docs, the tapes are preformated |
| 19:27.42 | ufo | HOw about video broadcast software? ;] |
| 19:27.51 | ufo | I cannot find any :( |
| 19:33.09 | Cope | 3 x yellow in a row, from different people |
| 19:33.33 | Cope | Blissex: right. so you don't back up. Understood. ;-) |
| 19:34.22 | Blissex | Cope: hard discs are very reliable [as in _hard_ :->). Tape is way dead. |
| 19:35.03 | Cope | umm.. we backup to tape because we *expect* disks to fail |
| 19:35.30 | Blissex | Cope: thats a bit simplistic... |
| 19:35.39 | resuDaed | hmmm, going to try a cold boot :-( brb |
| 19:35.59 | Cope | at home I have a machine with a 4 disk software raid 1 - I backup to that machine, and take images of it, which I store in different locations. |
| 19:36.03 | Cope | not great really |
| 19:36.13 | Cope | depends how much you value your data |
| 19:36.16 | Blissex | Cope: a powered down disc on a shelf is actually tougher (and cheaper) than the equivalent tape(s). |
| 19:36.24 | Cope | yeah ok |
| 19:36.35 | Cope | that's a good point |
| 19:36.50 | Blissex | Cope: and I have 3 such discs per each disc I have in my PC :-) |
| 19:37.13 | Cope | ok |
| 19:38.23 | Blissex | Cope: and I have a done a rickety mechanism to be able to hot plug them in... http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/xirc/I/hwExtSlotDisk1.jpg |
| 19:39.10 | Blissex | Cope: which is as obvious from the photo a creepily cheap external 5.25" FW/USB2 box, with a creepily cheap 5.25-3.5" cradle inside. |
| 19:40.02 | Blissex | Cope: both of the are a bit dodgy, but work most of the time. The main issue is that the power supply of the 5.25" box is not powerful enough to spin up some disc drives... |
| 19:41.01 | Cope | ladies and gentlemen, I present to you: the successor to Heath Robinson |
| 19:44.35 | Blissex | Cope: it is actually very simple, just a little bit dodgy... |
| 19:46.05 | wethrin | huh |
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| 20:06.43 | Cope | brrr - chilly in my room |
| 20:33.38 | George | hey Cope |
| 21:00.35 | wethrin | Cope: I like David Damerell's response to your Gllug post :) |
| 21:01.47 | George | I have work |
| 21:01.49 | George | wahoo. |
| 21:02.53 | wethrin | You suck |
| 21:02.58 | George | wethrin: why? |
| 21:03.03 | wethrin | Dunno |
| 21:03.05 | George | well, it's actually work /experience/ |
| 21:03.09 | wethrin | Because you keep shooting or eating me |
| 21:03.13 | George | but it's still wahoo-worthy |
| 21:03.39 | wethrin | Wahoo, then! |
| 21:03.43 | wethrin | Where? Doing what? |
| 21:03.45 | George | and it's paying :D |
| 21:03.49 | wethrin | oh dear |
| 21:03.53 | George | wethrin: here. at home. doing.. well... I'm not sure. |
| 21:04.12 | George | wethrin: but jim conner (a friend of mine who owns The Imps) is happy to take me on for 2 weeks |
| 21:04.16 | George | wethrin: working from here |
| 21:04.49 | George | wethrin: but basically things like server administration I think |
| 21:05.03 | wethrin | Fair enough |
| 21:05.22 | George | jim was set up by Leeds :) |
| 21:05.25 | George | (at the imps) |
| 21:05.31 | wethrin | The Imps? |
| 21:05.33 | George | yeah |
| 21:05.36 | George | some random company which went bust |
| 21:05.39 | George | and he inherited |
| 21:05.43 | wethrin | Grr. Torrentspy is still down |
| 21:05.43 | wethrin | Heh |
| 21:05.44 | George | because he was just about the only employee |
| 21:05.49 | wethrin | :) |
| 21:06.29 | George | but it's good news at any rate |
| 21:06.33 | George | 50 pounds a day for doing nothing |
| 21:06.47 | George | (that I don't already do) |
| 21:06.56 | wethrin | I thought you already do nothing |
| 21:07.03 | George | :P |
| 21:07.10 | George | hey, yesterday I set up a mailman server |
| 21:07.12 | George | thankyouverymuch |
| 21:07.22 | wethrin | heh |
| 21:08.16 | George | http://symbolicus.flooble.org.uk/ |
| 21:08.16 | George | ^-- my latest project |
| 21:08.16 | wethrin | Is that your symbolic calculus program? |
| 21:08.26 | George | yes |
| 21:08.32 | wethrin | Does it work? |
| 21:08.35 | George | ... |
| 21:08.39 | George | coding hasn't commenced. |
| 21:09.59 | George | still brainstorming |
| 21:09.59 | wethrin | Ahh. So you can release it as GPL code, v.0.1 ? |
| 21:09.59 | George | ? |
| 21:09.59 | wethrin | "This code will be fantastic. All it does so far is exit, though" |
| 21:09.59 | George | :P |
| 21:09.59 | wethrin | :) |
| 21:09.59 | George | I'm still waiting for my other developer to finish school :) |
| 21:10.06 | wethrin | Primary or secondary? |
| 21:10.09 | George | secondary |
| 21:10.11 | George | same year as me |
| 21:10.16 | George | doing.... almost the same subjects |
| 21:10.25 | George | at a different school though |
| 21:10.53 | wethrin | ahh |
| 21:11.28 | George | he's doing maths, further maths, phys, chem and french... I'm doing maths, further maths, stats, phys, chem, comp, crit think |
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| 21:21.41 | George | ergh |
| 21:21.42 | George | it's |BuD|Catalyst |
| 21:22.00 | George | wethrin: btw, all this shooting is to get me in the mood for the cadet nationals next week |
| 21:22.16 | AngelChild | :P |
| 21:22.28 | wethrin | Ah, okay |
| 21:23.02 | wethrin | thanks :) |
| 21:23.20 | George | wethrin: what do you think of my dinky little project then? |
| 21:23.46 | wethrin | I think it's going to be bloody hard to do |
| 21:23.58 | George | yup |
| 21:24.10 | George | I've ordered an 800 page book on modern computer algebra |
| 21:24.16 | George | I don't expect to understand a thing |
| 21:24.26 | wethrin | oh dear |
| 21:24.33 | George | ? |
| 21:26.24 | wethrin | Not understanding |
| 21:26.34 | George | lol |
| 21:26.39 | George | I'm just a lowly 17 year old geek |
| 21:26.52 | George | I'm not supposed to understand compsci/maths undergrad stuff |
| 21:27.01 | George | (assuming this is undergrad level) |
| 21:27.50 | wethrin | Possibly not :) |
| 21:27.54 | George | yeah |
| 21:27.58 | George | I think it's more graduate |
| 21:28.00 | wethrin | They tend not to write textbooks for purely undergrad level anyway |
| 21:28.43 | wethrin | :) |
| 21:28.48 | George | :P |
| 21:28.56 | George | oh well |
| 21:29.08 | George | it's at least meaning that I come out of my boring ... existance |
| 21:30.12 | George | wethrin: you should congratulate me for actually doing /something/! |
| 21:38.08 | wethrin | Congrats! |
| 21:38.49 | George | :P |
| 21:41.21 | Cope | wethrin: yes indeed; touche! I love him, he's brilliant. |
| 21:41.55 | Cope | we need more of his typre |
| 21:43.25 | wethrin | But very rarely. Normally he's a bit of an arse |
| 21:44.00 | Cope | he can be a cock |
| 21:44.08 | Cope | but he's intelligent |
| 21:44.19 | Cope | which is worthwhile |
| 21:44.38 | Cope | oh and halifax want to charge me to give you money |
| 21:44.49 | Cope | you bank with nationwide? |
| 21:45.02 | Cope | I'll just find a local branch |
| 21:45.36 | George | I'M HUNGRY |
| 21:47.09 | Blissex | George: that's excellent -- hunger makes you live longer. being 17 though I guess this is not going to worry you to much :-) |
| 21:47.32 | Cope | lol |
| 21:48.35 | wethrin | Cope: I bank with Nationwide |
| 21:48.41 | wethrin | And Barclays, hateful scum that they are |
| 21:49.29 | Blissex | wethrin: like most high street banks... |
| 21:49.45 | wethrin | Yup |
| 21:49.58 | Cope | wethrin: http://www.samag.com/documents/s=9658/sam0505e/ |
| 21:50.11 | Cope | proof that digex employess are the tits |
| 21:50.13 | Blissex | I have heard rumours that most high street banks pay a commission on any fees are charged to an account for which an excuse can be found by an employee. |
| 21:50.25 | Cope | (even though he left 6 months+ ago) |
| 21:52.05 | wethrin | Cope: The guy who's writing worked for DIGEX? |
| 21:52.11 | Cope | yep |
| 21:53.17 | wethrin | Ahh. I know someone else who used to work there, until the company went to the shitter with hateful Suits |
| 21:53.27 | wethrin | cool |
| 21:54.54 | Cope | wethrin: who?? |
| 21:55.02 | Cope | apart from me and dave |
| 21:55.41 | wethrin | Dave McGuire |
| 21:55.45 | wethrin | I think he was Digex |
| 21:55.50 | Cope | uunet |
| 21:55.56 | wethrin | At least stateside. Unless I'm confused |
| 21:56.00 | Cope | maybe |
| 21:56.08 | Cope | doesn't ring a bell |
| 21:56.28 | wethrin | Aye |
| 21:56.54 | Cope | nah, we're coming right back |
| 21:57.02 | Cope | just won the amazon contract |
| 21:57.06 | Cope | and nasdaq |
| 21:57.15 | wethrin | Heh |
| 21:57.22 | Cope | and yahoo on aix |
| 21:57.47 | Cope | we rock |
| 21:58.01 | wethrin | :) |
| 21:58.08 | wethrin | So does Gilbert & Sullivan |
| 21:58.22 | Cope | hmm |
| 21:58.29 | Cope | that well known hosting company |
| 21:58.38 | wethrin | Sorry - I'm listening to some music while I'm unpacking |
| 21:58.48 | wethrin | These laptop speakers just dont' cut it for music, though |
| 21:59.15 | wethrin | Excellent |
| 21:59.23 | Cope | 7 cans + 2 pints |
| 21:59.29 | wethrin | Cans? CANS!? |
| 21:59.34 | Cope | i really didn't notice |
| 21:59.37 | wethrin | I'm shocked and appalled, sir |
| 21:59.50 | wethrin | Bottles? |
| 21:59.52 | Cope | a fresh barrel in the server room? |
| 21:59.57 | wethrin | Yes :) |
| 22:00.01 | Cope | hehe |
| 22:00.18 | wethrin | That sounds like an excellent idea |
| 22:00.28 | Cope | indeed |
| 22:00.49 | Cope | oh btw they're selling identically spec'd aphrodites for 25 quid down the road |
| 22:01.00 | Cope | i mean identical down to the case |
| 22:01.13 | Cope | minus the scsi controller and disks, of course |
| 22:01.18 | wethrin | Ooh. Identical including the hard disks? |
| 22:01.23 | wethrin | Ahh, well. See, that's where the money is |
| 22:01.56 | Cope | hmmm nearly 11 o'clock |
| 22:01.57 | wethrin | Are there any SCSI devices in the machine? |
| 22:02.01 | wethrin | It's 1 minute past |
| 22:02.04 | Cope | which one? |
| 22:02.17 | Cope | so.... do I consume the last beer, or go to sleep? |
| 22:02.29 | wethrin | Yesw |
| 22:02.44 | Cope | hehehe |
| 22:02.49 | Cope | both?! |
| 22:02.56 | wethrin | Yes! |
| 22:03.04 | Cope | hoorah |
| 22:03.08 | wethrin | :) |
| 22:03.23 | Cope | wethrin: shocking - proms minus you |
| 22:03.27 | Cope | its just not the same |
| 22:03.31 | wethrin | I'm sorry |
| 22:03.36 | wethrin | I'll be around the first week of August |
| 22:03.45 | Cope | super! |
| 22:03.51 | wethrin | I may even be able to squeeze in one prom :) |
| 22:04.10 | Cope | avoiding the heroin addicts |
| 22:04.18 | wethrin | One day in Oxford, one at Olympia, one at London.pm; that still gives me 2 days |
| 22:04.27 | Cope | ooh |
| 22:04.49 | wethrin | I think I may make an effort to get down for the Last Night, though |
| 22:04.50 | edward | going to London.pm tomorrow? |
| 22:05.21 | wethrin | £4 entry, and plenty of space up on the balcony |
| 22:07.22 | wethrin | No |
| 22:07.22 | wethrin | I'm in Durham |
| 22:07.22 | wethrin | August I'll be there |
| 23:02.35 | *** join/#gllug armijn (~armijn@losser.labs.cs.uu.nl) |
| 23:02.50 | wethrin | hi armijn |
| 23:02.53 | armijn | hi wethrin |
| 23:03.00 | wethrin | Coming to LBW? |
| 23:03.03 | armijn | nope |
| 23:03.05 | George | leg before wicket? |
| 23:03.13 | armijn | what would be the best way to spam gllug with CfPs? |
| 23:03.55 | wethrin | Are you subscribed to the mailing list? |
| 23:04.01 | armijn | except for mailing it to agk ;-) |
| 23:04.09 | armijn | wethrin: ehrm, no? |
| 23:04.21 | highbury | send it to gllugdmin? |
| 23:04.47 | armijn | hmm, that might be an idea... |
| 23:04.57 | armijn | will wait until the webform for submissions is ready then... |
| 23:05.20 | wethrin | Just send it to Gllug, and we can approve the post |
| 23:05.26 | armijn | but, in short, NLUUG fall conference, subject: Languages and Tools, deadline for abstracts, early august |
| 23:05.40 | highbury | cool! |
| 23:05.44 | armijn | hmm. that last "," should have been ":" |
| 23:06.33 | highbury | nn folk |
| 23:07.17 | wethrin | nn highbury |
| 23:07.35 | wethrin | armijn: Just send it to gllug@gllug.org.uk, and we'll approve the moderation |
| 23:07.46 | armijn | ok |
| 23:07.59 | armijn | will do that tomorrow, or whenever the webform is completed |
| 23:08.35 | wethrin | okay :) |
| 23:08.50 | armijn | when is lbw? |
| 23:08.52 | armijn | and where? |
| 23:08.59 | wethrin | Scotland |
| 23:09.03 | wethrin | Killin |
| 23:09.06 | wethrin | 6th-14th August |
| 23:09.24 | armijn | nope, can't do, got appointments then already |
| 23:09.30 | wethrin | :( |
| 23:09.53 | armijn | and, who wants to drink beer with Linux geeks anyway >:) |
| 23:10.26 | armijn | right, z time |
| 23:10.27 | armijn | nn |
| 23:10.28 | *** part/#gllug armijn (~armijn@losser.labs.cs.uu.nl) |
