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06:27.02morsingLeeds!
06:51.13Leedsmorsy-baby!
06:52.37Leedsahem... good morning morsing
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09:07.16Marios_morning
10:51.35mozrat-ieGood Morning Marios_ et al
10:56.31Georgeheya Leeds
10:56.40Georgehi mozrat-ie
10:57.58mozrat-ieMorning George
10:58.43Georgeheard about birmingham?
10:58.49mozrat-ieyes
10:59.16mozrat-ienothing suspicious in the end though was it?
11:04.53Georgeer
11:05.02Georgethey exploded 4 bombs
11:06.48George"Police carried out four controlled explosions on a bus in Corporation Street, in the city centre."
11:09.46mozrat-ieyes - but the objects they exploded were innocent items I believe
12:26.13Leedsevening folks
12:29.29mozrat-ie<PROTECTED>
12:35.33mozrat-ieHmmm - trying to run a perl script that uses Mail::IMAPClient
12:35.47mozrat-ieand it's passing the logon string to the server...
12:35.50mozrat-ie'1 Login "mark" {3}'
12:35.56mozrat-iewhen the password is 3 characters
12:36.16mozrat-ieas in passes the length of the password as the password
12:36.41Leedsthat sounds wrong...
12:36.47mozrat-iedoes rather
12:37.04mozrat-ieused 2 different scripts that use that library and they both do the same
12:37.05Leedsin, y'know, my considered professional opinion...
12:37.18Leedsuse the python imaplib instead :-)
12:37.21mozrat-ie:)
12:37.32mozrat-ieI need a imap 2 mbox convertor
12:39.47Leedsdoesn't the pine imaptool do that?
12:39.58mozrat-iehttp://www.jplanglois.com/products/imapcp/
12:40.09mozrat-ieLeeds, dunno - ace if it does
12:41.02Leedsthat's the sort of thing it's precisely for
12:41.20Leedsalternatively, a combination of something like fetchmail and procmail would do the job
12:43.04Leedshmm... it's possible that teaching my spamtraps that "any mail which is all in Chinese is spam" may no longer be entirely appropriate
12:43.52Leeds<PROTECTED>
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12:44.02Leedsmozrat-ie: that do you? :-)
12:44.06mozrat-iehmm sounds perfect
12:44.11mozrat-ieI have 15 of them to do :)
12:44.44mozrat-ieInternational Cat Agility Tournaments
12:44.57mozrat-iethat probably isn't the correct google result
12:44.58Leedsftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/imap/imap-utils.tar.Z
12:45.10Leedsmay need c-client installing separately
12:45.51mozrat-ieInternational Centre for Accessible Transportation
12:46.15LeedsI Can't Actually Type
12:46.31mozrat-ieIsotope-Coded Affinity Tags (ICAT) Methodology
12:46.57mozrat-ieInstitute for Communication Arts and Technology
12:47.22mozrat-ieInnovative Clean Air Technologies Program (ICAT)
12:47.35Leedsanyway... :-)
12:47.49mozrat-ieInternational Coalition against Terrorism
12:47.50mozrat-ie:)
12:47.52mozrat-ieloads!
12:48.17Leedsso, we're saying it's a common acronym?
12:48.55mozrat-ieI think so
12:50.00Leedsso, on Friday I installed Slackware on my work laptop... this weekend has been the first time in almost 2 months I've been using a powerful and sufficient-memoried X system :-)
12:51.14mozrat-ie:)
12:51.19mozrat-ieyou've been reborn?
12:51.36Leedsindeed
12:52.13Leedsit's little things like trying to work out what to fill in as the smtp server for thunderbird and realising that "install exim locally and use 127.0.0.1" made more sense than anything else :-)
12:52.55mozrat-ieyeah, but I have problems with that nowdays :(
12:53.00mozrat-iePTR checking and the like
12:53.06Georgewibble wobble and a flooble to top it off
12:53.12mozrat-ieand the same to you George
12:53.17George:)
12:53.34Georgenow then, should I continue getting annoyed with qmail, or do I watch some TV?
12:53.58Leedsnot much choice unless I can find/put a login-able smtp server elsewhere, since I can't use the one frm my ISP
12:54.02LeedsGeorge: kill gmail, use exim
12:54.07Leeds*then* watch TV
12:54.13GeorgeLeeds: qmail, not gmail
12:54.31GeorgeLeeds: and I'm supposed to be migrating this server from qmail to postfix and keeping everything else the same (users, passwords, virtual domains...)
12:54.37Leedsoops - I meant qmail
12:55.28Georgeheh
12:55.29Georgeit sucks
12:55.30GeorgeSOOO MUCH
12:55.48GeorgeI mean, wtf is up with qmail's config system
12:55.54Leedsindeed
12:55.55Georgeit's scattered across the filesystem
12:55.57Leedsit's evil
12:56.11Georgein a million dot files
12:56.12George:(
12:57.04GeorgeI think I'll watch some stuff on TV
12:57.04Leedsqmail is just generally very very evil
12:57.13Leedsgood plan - what's on?
12:57.13GeorgeLeeds: I know :(
12:57.16GeorgeLeeds: no idea.
12:57.24Leeds:-)
12:57.32Georgebut whatever it is
12:57.43Georgeit's likely to be better than migrating a server from qmail to postfix
12:57.46Leedsbetter than fighting with qmail
12:57.47Leeds:-)
12:58.05Georgeor rather, trying to work out how the existing qmail setup works
12:58.12Leedsoops, my firefox has gone nuts
12:58.17Leedsoh no, it's back
12:58.19Georgeheh
12:58.20Georgekonqueror :)
12:59.43Leedsbah
13:01.53Georgeheh
13:01.58Georgealways thinking about food.
13:02.03mozrat-ieLeeds, that python one seems the winner
13:04.17Leedsmozrat-ie: huh?
13:05.11Leedsmozrat-ie: pine or python?
13:11.43mozrat-ieLeeds: looking at the python one at the moment I found
13:11.48mozrat-iebut maybe it doesn't work so well
13:11.58mozrat-ieI'll look at the pine one next
13:12.08mozrat-iethe IMAP server is a FirstClass server !?
13:12.17Leedsugh
13:12.20mozrat-ieI'm not sure how closely it follows the IMAP standard
13:12.30mozrat-iedoesn't seem to have the INBOX top level folder
13:12.49Leedsit has to
13:12.50LeedsAFAIK
13:13.08Leedsanyway, you can be sure the pine stuff follows the standard, since it's effectively the reference implementation
13:13.26mozrat-iea2 list "" ""
13:13.26mozrat-ie* LIST ( \HasChildren) "/" "~"
13:13.26mozrat-iea2 OK LIST completed
13:13.44Leedsa3 EXAMINE INBOX
13:14.12mozrat-iea3 EXAMINE INBOX
13:14.12mozrat-ie* 55 EXISTS
13:14.12mozrat-ie* 0 RECENT
13:14.12mozrat-ie* OK [UNSEEN 1] Message 1 is first unseen
13:14.12mozrat-ie* FLAGS (\Deleted \Seen \Flagged \Draft \Recent)
13:14.15mozrat-ie* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS ()] No permanent flags permitted
13:14.17mozrat-ie* OK [UIDVALIDITY 1] UIDs valid
13:14.20mozrat-iea3 OK [READ-ONLY] EXAMINE completed
13:14.28Leedsthere you go, it does have an INBOX :-)
13:14.32mozrat-ie:)
13:14.35mozrat-iefair enough
13:15.00Leedsmy IMAP is a little rusty - it's a while since I tried to talk it manually, and it's not the simplest of protocols to start wiht
13:15.16mozrat-ie<paste>
13:15.18mozrat-iesm@ubuntu:~/tmp/mail/mike $ ~/bin/mbcp.py imap://mark:eig@172.22.12.15/ mbox:///mike -v
13:15.21mozrat-ieDebug enabled
13:15.24mozrat-ieMailbox Copy version Release 0.97
13:15.27mozrat-ieCopying from imap :// mark : eig @ 172.22.12.15 :  /
13:15.29mozrat-ieTo           mbox ://  :  @  :  / mike
13:15.32mozrat-ieStarting copy...
13:15.34mozrat-ieBuilding folder list...
13:15.37mozrat-iefolder on destination: "mike/~/"
13:15.39mozrat-ie~/ (0)
13:15.42mozrat-iefolder on destination: "INBOX"
13:15.45mozrat-ieINBOX (55).message fetched: 1, , 25-Jan-2005 10:33:47 +0100
13:15.47mozrat-ieTraceback (most recent call last):
13:15.50mozrat-ie<PROTECTED>
13:15.52mozrat-ie<PROTECTED>
13:15.55mozrat-ie<PROTECTED>
13:15.57mozrat-ie<PROTECTED>
13:16.00mozrat-ie<PROTECTED>
13:16.03mozrat-ie<PROTECTED>
13:16.05mozrat-ie<PROTECTED>
13:16.07mozrat-iebah, I dunno
13:16.10mozrat-ie<PROTECTED>
13:16.10Leedswatch for floodkick
13:16.12mozrat-ieunknown folder INBOX
13:16.13mozrat-ielooking at the pine one
13:16.16mozrat-ie</paste>
13:16.17mozrat-ieLeeds: yeah :)
13:16.39Leeds9:16pm - considering pizza :-)
13:17.10Leedsyeah, bugger it - there's a takeaway round the corner I need to test out...
13:35.15mozrat-iethat was quick
13:35.49Leedsvery local - round the other side of the same building, effectively
13:36.03JAVafternoon
13:36.55mozrat-ieLOL
13:37.05mozrat-ietrying to google why this python script won't work
13:37.09mozrat-iefound this "The downsides:
13:37.10mozrat-ie<PROTECTED>
13:37.16mozrat-ieetc etc
13:39.44Leedsheh
13:40.03Leedswhen I suggested python, I meant building your own using the existing python libraries
13:40.16mozrat-ieLeeds: no time really... I'm outta here tomorrow
13:40.35mozrat-ieand there is a golf driving range across town that I'd like to visit today :)
13:40.52Leedsso do the imap-utils thing
13:41.56mozrat-ieyeah
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15:19.34Leedsbud?
15:19.43Georgeflooble
15:20.18Leedstime for a new kernel...
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15:56.35mozrat-iewhich distro Leeds?
15:57.15Leedsslackware
15:57.39Leedsit's not a suprise - I know I didn't select it for installation from the CDs because I wanted to install 2.4.1
15:57.59LeedsI'm just confused as to how I managed to use the machine for 24 hours without noticing I'd forgotten to install it :-)
15:58.20mozrat-ie:)
15:58.42LeedsI do have the machine booting nicely, bringing up the wifi and doing dhcp on it...
15:59.27LeedsBlissex: bah!
16:06.45Leedsthere we go - python 2.4.1 installed :-)
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16:22.34Leedshttp://www.webcambiglook.com/panamacitybeachfl.html and http://www.visitpensacola.com/WebCams/pweb.asp - live webcams from the area about to be hit by a hurricane in the US
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22:13.51kismet-nohdhas anyone managed to use a pcmcia Prism2 card with kismet *monitor mode* on knoppix 3.9 or ubuntu  running off CD on a laptop with NO hard drive?

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