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19:43.11 | mozrat | Evening |
19:45.34 | Blissex | evening! |
19:46.26 | mozrat | hello Blissex |
19:47.15 | Blissex | so why not start an evening flamefest? What do people think about my demented half-intention to switch from Debian to Fedora mostly because of DPKG? :-) |
19:49.53 | wethrin | What's wrong with dpkg? |
19:49.58 | wethrin | What's so much better about rpm? |
19:52.10 | George | mozrat: yoyo |
19:52.20 | George | mozrat: I'm having doubts as to whether to buy this laptop |
19:53.00 | mozrat | George: Oh, well. it's cool with me either way |
19:53.03 | mozrat | Why is that though? |
19:53.17 | George | mozrat: erm, wondering if I should just upgrade the hell out of my desktop instead |
19:53.27 | mozrat | George: do you travel around much? |
19:53.30 | George | mozrat: ie - dual opteron 2.6ghz, 2gb ram, 4x300GB hdds |
19:53.36 | George | mozrat: I travel around... a bit. |
19:53.42 | George | mozrat: but I have a powerbook |
19:53.59 | mozrat | Blissex: the number of packages available through Debian and apt is awe inspiring compared to the number in RPM |
19:54.21 | mozrat | George: I'm finding the size of my laptop hard drive really really restricting now |
19:54.29 | George | mozrat: I have an 80GB laptop hdd |
19:54.38 | George | have had for 3 years |
19:54.41 | mozrat | I have to maintain a Window partition for HPOV which wastes 10GB |
19:55.03 | mozrat | I have a partition for building Garnome which is another 10GB |
19:55.12 | Blissex | mozrat: naah, much the same. The difference is that the ''official'' packages for Debian outnumber those for Fedora, but there are high quality ''unofficial'' RPM sources (e.g. RPMforge). |
19:55.13 | mozrat | the remaining 20GB is maxed out all the time |
19:55.38 | mozrat | Blissex: mixing RPM sources == Russian Roulette? |
19:55.54 | mozrat | s/RPM/deb for that matter |
19:55.57 | Blissex | mozrat: and yes, 40Gb for today's need is a bit small, especially for developers. |
19:56.06 | mozrat | Blissex: *nod* |
19:56.58 | George | hrmm |
19:57.04 | Blissex | mozrat: let's say I _really_ know what I am doing as to sources :-). Indeed I strongly disrecommend Fedora for any non system developer... |
19:57.07 | George | it's going to cost me just over 2000 GBP to get the upgrade I want |
19:57.08 | George | DAMN |
19:57.23 | Blissex | mozrat: but I have seen 80GB 2.5" pretty cheap nowadays, like < £80. |
19:57.26 | George | opterons are expensive. |
19:57.33 | mozrat | George: but that upgrade is a better investment IMHO |
19:57.37 | George | mozrat: heh |
19:57.52 | George | mozrat: is a dual opteron 2.6ghz worth that much? |
19:57.56 | Blissex | mozrat: so it is not that terrible.... And the existing 40Gb can become an external portable for at least partial backup. |
19:58.00 | George | mozrat: with pci-e and 2gb ram? |
19:58.10 | George | mozrat: and another 4 300GB disks |
19:58.28 | mozrat | Blissex: IBM thinkpads support swopping the DVD tray out for another hard disk - thats another option |
19:58.34 | Blissex | high end Opterons with high clock speeds and buffered/ECC ram costs a bit. |
19:58.44 | George | Blissex: yes. I know. |
19:58.57 | George | Blissex: a 2.6ghz opteron weighs in at 570 GBP |
19:59.00 | George | (2-way) |
19:59.00 | mozrat | George: I dunno - laptops are nice but if I wasn't given one for work I wouldn't go all out to get one |
19:59.12 | George | hrmm |
19:59.13 | Blissex | George: eheheheh. Now you figured it out :-) |
19:59.15 | George | I already have one too |
19:59.17 | mozrat | and as you say - you do have a powerbook |
19:59.23 | George | heh |
19:59.36 | George | but is it worth upgrading from an athlon 64 3500+ (2.2ghz) |
19:59.41 | George | which is still a damned fast cpu |
19:59.57 | George | Hostname: carbon - OS: Linux 2.6.11.5/x86_64 - CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ (2202.913 MHz) - Processes: 98 - Uptime: 1d 2h 35m - Load Average: 2.08 - Memory Usage: 204.16mb/1001.22mb (20.39%) - Disk Usage: 475.01gb/808.08gb (58.78%) |
20:00.03 | Blissex | George: well, people with more money than sense, ... :-) |
20:00.08 | George | Blissex: blah |
20:00.15 | George | Blissex: this is scheduled for christmas anyway |
20:00.39 | mozrat | right - everyone watch National Geographic - 'Unlocking the da Vinci code' is on |
20:00.46 | Blissex | George: could you tempt yourself with an X2? |
20:00.56 | George | an X2 wouldn't be as fast |
20:01.07 | George | if I were to go dual core |
20:01.11 | George | I'd go all-out with dual dual core |
20:01.20 | Blissex | George: but practically painless and nearly twice as fast as what you got now. |
20:01.36 | George | practically painless? |
20:01.39 | Blissex | X2 are still expensive too. |
20:02.12 | Blissex | George: well, if you got a motherboard that supports _physically_ X2, it apaprently takes just a BIOS reflash. |
20:02.21 | George | probably. |
20:02.59 | George | I could sell my motherboard/ram/graphics card/processor though |
20:03.04 | George | I could probably pick up 450 for it |
20:03.23 | George | mobo was 90GBP, cpu was 200GBP, ram was 100GBP and graphics card was 150GBP |
20:07.30 | mozrat | Blissex: so whats your problem with dpkg? |
20:07.50 | Blissex | BTW, as to my musings about distros, I have had a look at a few RPM based distros, and aLinux/Peanut seems right well packaged... |
20:08.55 | Blissex | mozrat: as to DPKG, I shall be brief, I have to go out for dinner tomorrow night :-). |
20:09.01 | mozrat | Blissex: LOL |
20:10.25 | mozrat | Blissex: you're on #asterisk - do you use it much? |
20:10.57 | Blissex | however, basically DPKG is too complicated and slow... and every new feature takes forever to get adopted... |
20:11.13 | Blissex | mozrat: no, I am not using it much, I have studied the config, and done some experiments. |
20:11.38 | Blissex | mozrat: I am trying to produce a ''clean'' config, because as usual the existing sample configs are hard to understand and poorly written. |
20:12.02 | mozrat | Blissex: I wrote a script to pull asterisk user and phone config from LDAP |
20:12.14 | mozrat | and spit out the config files |
20:12.16 | Blissex | mozrat: that's a useful trick. |
20:12.32 | mozrat | Blissex: yes - I installed it in someones company who used AD |
20:12.35 | mozrat | they liked it |
20:13.25 | Blissex | mozrat: that probably simplified their admin a fair bit. |
20:13.31 | mozrat | Blissex: yep |
21:04.25 | edward | anybody looking for a flatmate? i have to find a new place to live by 15th August |
21:04.50 | AngelChild | (well, not really, it's quite a commute to southampton xD) |
21:05.09 | edward | you are in Southampton? i've got some friends in southampton |
21:05.19 | edward | do you know any students? |
21:11.15 | AngelChild | i am a student :P |
21:11.39 | AngelChild | just finished first year computer engineering, although i'm switching to compsci next year |
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21:36.05 | wethrin | anth! |
21:52.53 | anth | wethrin! |
21:54.17 | wethrin | How's NZ life? |
21:55.22 | anth | Pretty good. Apart from having caught a cold |
21:55.39 | anth | What are you up to these days? |
21:57.10 | wethrin | Still doing my PhD |
22:04.00 | George | AngelChild: switching to compsci? |
22:04.03 | George | AngelChild: freak |
22:04.35 | wethrin | Do Physics instead :) |
22:04.40 | George | do maths |
22:04.50 | wethrin | Maths is for freaks |
22:05.03 | George | precisely. |
22:05.13 | George | physics at oxford is for complete idiots though |
22:05.28 | wethrin | Yeah, so's Cambridge Uni |
22:05.32 | AngelChild | o.o |
22:05.37 | George | I'm not at Cambridge :P |
22:05.42 | AngelChild | then decided it was too much work xD |
22:05.45 | wethrin | Heh |
22:05.46 | George | AngelChild: didn't get an offer? |
22:05.53 | AngelChild | didn't bother going to the interview |
22:05.59 | George | that's a no then :P |
22:06.01 | AngelChild | was utterly depressed at the time |
22:06.10 | George | I'm not surprised |
22:06.12 | George | I mean, look at you |
22:06.14 | George | YOU SUCK |
22:06.19 | AngelChild | that's really not funny |
22:06.25 | George | :( |
22:06.38 | George | yes it is |
22:06.40 | wethrin | George: Have you ever seen AC? |
22:06.45 | George | wethrin: AC? |
22:06.52 | George | wethrin: alan cox? |
22:06.55 | wethrin | AngelChild |
22:07.02 | George | alternating current? air conditioning? |
22:07.08 | George | no |
22:07.24 | George | wethrin: of course I haven't. I don't leave my room. DUH. |
22:07.26 | wethrin | So you can't say 'look at you...you suck' |
22:07.29 | wethrin | Heh |
22:07.42 | George | 'tis a figure of speech |
22:07.53 | George | blah. confusions confusions |
22:07.57 | George | do I buy a new laptop. |
22:08.00 | wethrin | No |
22:08.02 | George | or do I grab a dual opteron |
22:08.05 | wethrin | Give me the money |
22:08.10 | George | wethrin: no. |
22:08.19 | George | wethrin: you're an oxbridge grad. go earn some, lazy bitch |
22:08.20 | George | ;) |
22:08.34 | wethrin | I'm a stoodent |
22:08.43 | George | no |
22:08.45 | George | it's stewdent. |
22:09.13 | wethrin | No, it's stoodent |
22:09.30 | George | let's take a vote |
22:09.37 | George | all for 'stoodent' say aye |
22:09.39 | wethrin | Aye |
22:09.58 | George | all for 'stewdent' say nay |
22:09.59 | George | nay |
22:10.08 | George | ok |
22:10.12 | wethrin | One on one still |
22:10.14 | George | I count as 20 people because I'm so massive |
22:10.26 | George | (see? used a physics term there. I wish I could die right now...) |
22:10.30 | wethrin | Yeah, but you're a KDE "programmer", so that loses 19 votes |
22:10.37 | George | (ps - if you say it could be arranged, I will kill you) |
22:10.43 | George | wethrin: DEVELOPER. BITCH. |
22:11.08 | wethrin | Programmer |
22:11.14 | George | developer. |
22:12.14 | George | blah. |
22:12.21 | George | I need to send off my passport applcation form |
22:12.22 | anth | aye |
22:12.24 | wethrin | Programm0r |
22:12.25 | George | grumble |
22:12.27 | George | anth: fuck you |
22:12.35 | wethrin | George: Yeah. Get out of the country! |
22:12.41 | George | wethrin: blah |
22:12.46 | George | wethrin: I'm only going to spain |
22:12.47 | George | for 10 days |
22:12.50 | George | aKademy 2005 :D |
22:12.52 | wethrin | Stay there! |
22:12.54 | George | no |
22:12.56 | George | feck orff |
22:13.16 | wethrin | Isn't aKademy an excuse for boozing? |
22:13.19 | George | no |
22:13.22 | George | I don't drink |
22:15.00 | anth | I think everything looks like an excuse for boozing to wethrin |
22:15.09 | George | anth: wouldn't surprise me. |
22:15.10 | wethrin | You suck |
22:15.15 | George | anth: have you seen the size of his stomach? :) |
22:15.27 | wethrin | anth: Conferences are good excuses, though |
22:15.32 | wethrin | You've come to FOSDEM! |
22:15.39 | George | FOSDEM is not a conference. |
22:15.43 | George | it's a 3 day piss up. |
22:15.48 | George | this is a well known fact |
22:15.53 | wethrin | It's a conference. They have lectures and all |
22:15.55 | wethrin | As does UKUUG |
22:15.55 | George | no |
22:15.57 | George | it's a PISS UP |
22:16.01 | wethrin | LBW is a pissup |
22:16.03 | George | just like university |
22:16.21 | anth | I've thought of something that isn't an excuse for boozing to wethrin... |
22:16.30 | anth | ...mass produced lager |
22:16.31 | wethrin | I have you know that I work hard from 11 until 6! |
22:16.34 | wethrin | Ewwwww |
22:16.37 | wethrin | Bad anth! |
22:16.47 | George | work? wethrin? |
22:16.48 | George | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
22:16.57 | wethrin | I do! |
22:17.03 | wethrin | I need to get some glass blown tomorrow, though |
22:17.14 | anth | I love hard work, I could watch it for hours |
22:17.25 | wethrin | :-) |
23:23.48 | wethrin | rhowe! |
23:23.54 | rhowe | Hmmm |
23:24.08 | rhowe | A friend just sent me a link to a video of a man being fscked by a horse |
23:24.15 | wethrin | Err |
23:24.30 | wethrin | Please don't share |
23:24.37 | rhowe | I forwarded it to the hot Chinese girl I just spent the day with :P |
23:25.05 | wethrin | Uhhuh ;-) |
23:25.14 | rhowe | Hot Chinese girl who has a bf |
23:25.21 | wethrin | :( |
23:25.26 | rhowe | But who is actually considering living with me in September or October |
23:25.38 | rhowe | We might end up going flathunting for a place of our own |
23:25.48 | wethrin | mmhm ;-) |
23:29.10 | rhowe | haha after explaining to her what it was, she said "i'll watch next time must be fun" (she's going to sleep now) |
23:30.16 | wethrin | Riight. |
23:30.26 | wethrin | Please don't share the video |
23:31.05 | rhowe | Not here I won't. It's probably less than legal in the UK anyhow |
23:31.28 | wethrin | Indeed |
23:33.13 | wethrin | How was it? |
23:33.23 | Leeds | it was very nice |
23:33.29 | wethrin | Hurrah! |
23:33.31 | rhowe | Leeds: When are you here until? |
23:33.35 | wethrin | Nah, come to LBW! |
23:33.54 | Leeds | rhowe: 28th |
23:33.57 | Leeds | wethrin: not going to happen |
23:34.03 | rhowe | Leeds: d'oh, how could I forget? :P |
23:34.21 | rhowe | Leeds: Well pick a day to meet up. I'm away all weekends, but around this Sunday |
23:35.14 | Leeds | rhowe: my schedule is pretty empty, in that I have lots to do, but currently very little of it at a fixed time |
23:36.48 | wethrin | So you could stay longer if you wanted? |
23:37.11 | Leeds | wethrin: not really - I gave them that date as an expected return date, and I've bought a ticket |
23:37.16 | wethrin | Ahh |
23:37.18 | Leeds | I meant I've got lots to do *in London* |
23:37.23 | wethrin | Right |
23:42.35 | Leeds | anth: without getting floodkicked/banned? |
23:49.23 | anth | I was ignoring such minor details |
23:52.31 | rhowe | Leeds: Well assuming I don't spend the night in south wales on Saturday (I think it's unlikely), how about sunday? |
23:54.09 | Leeds | rhowe: yes, probably :-) |
23:54.53 | Leeds | rhowe: is there anything particular you want to do on Sunday, apart from get your b'day pressie? |
23:56.02 | rhowe | Leeds: hmm.. eat falafel? |
23:57.40 | Leeds | sounds like a good plan... Hendon, town, or elsewhere? |
23:57.52 | Leeds | you found any falafel places near you? ;-) |
23:58.34 | rhowe | Nope, though I haven't really looked |
23:58.38 | rhowe | Hendon is fine |
23:59.15 | Leeds | lunch/dinner? |
23:59.39 | rhowe | hmm.. either |
23:59.44 | rhowe | Lunch should be fine |