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19:43.11mozratEvening
19:45.34Blissexevening!
19:46.26mozrathello Blissex
19:47.15Blissexso why not start an evening flamefest? What do people think about my demented half-intention to switch from Debian to Fedora mostly because of DPKG? :-)
19:49.53wethrinWhat's wrong with dpkg?
19:49.58wethrinWhat's so much better about rpm?
19:52.10Georgemozrat: yoyo
19:52.20Georgemozrat: I'm having doubts as to whether to buy this laptop
19:53.00mozratGeorge: Oh, well. it's cool with me either way
19:53.03mozratWhy is that though?
19:53.17Georgemozrat: erm, wondering if I should just upgrade the hell out of my desktop instead
19:53.27mozratGeorge: do you travel around much?
19:53.30Georgemozrat: ie - dual opteron 2.6ghz, 2gb ram, 4x300GB hdds
19:53.36Georgemozrat: I travel around... a bit.
19:53.42Georgemozrat: but I have a powerbook
19:53.59mozratBlissex: the number of packages available through Debian and apt is awe inspiring compared to the number in RPM
19:54.21mozratGeorge: I'm finding the size of my laptop hard drive really really restricting now
19:54.29Georgemozrat: I have an 80GB laptop hdd
19:54.38Georgehave had for 3 years
19:54.41mozratI have to maintain a Window partition for HPOV which wastes 10GB
19:55.03mozratI have a partition for building Garnome which is another 10GB
19:55.12Blissexmozrat: naah, much the same. The difference is that the ''official'' packages for Debian outnumber those for Fedora, but there are high quality ''unofficial'' RPM sources (e.g. RPMforge).
19:55.13mozratthe remaining 20GB is maxed out all the time
19:55.38mozratBlissex: mixing RPM sources == Russian Roulette?
19:55.54mozrats/RPM/deb for that matter
19:55.57Blissexmozrat: and yes, 40Gb for today's need is a bit small, especially for developers.
19:56.06mozratBlissex: *nod*
19:56.58Georgehrmm
19:57.04Blissexmozrat: let's say I _really_ know what I am doing as to sources :-). Indeed I strongly disrecommend Fedora for any non system developer...
19:57.07Georgeit's going to cost me just over 2000 GBP to get the upgrade I want
19:57.08GeorgeDAMN
19:57.23Blissexmozrat: but I have seen 80GB 2.5" pretty cheap nowadays, like < £80.
19:57.26Georgeopterons are expensive.
19:57.33mozratGeorge: but that upgrade is a better investment IMHO
19:57.37Georgemozrat: heh
19:57.52Georgemozrat: is a dual opteron 2.6ghz worth that much?
19:57.56Blissexmozrat: so it is not that terrible.... And the existing 40Gb can become an external portable for at least partial backup.
19:58.00Georgemozrat: with pci-e and 2gb ram?
19:58.10Georgemozrat: and another 4 300GB disks
19:58.28mozratBlissex: IBM thinkpads support swopping the DVD tray out for another hard disk - thats another option
19:58.34Blissexhigh end Opterons with high clock speeds and buffered/ECC ram costs a bit.
19:58.44GeorgeBlissex: yes. I know.
19:58.57GeorgeBlissex: a 2.6ghz opteron weighs in at 570 GBP
19:59.00George(2-way)
19:59.00mozratGeorge: I dunno - laptops are nice but if I wasn't given one for work I wouldn't go all out to get one
19:59.12Georgehrmm
19:59.13BlissexGeorge: eheheheh. Now you figured it out :-)
19:59.15GeorgeI already have one too
19:59.17mozratand as you say - you do have a powerbook
19:59.23Georgeheh
19:59.36Georgebut is it worth upgrading from an athlon 64 3500+ (2.2ghz)
19:59.41Georgewhich is still a damned fast cpu
19:59.57GeorgeHostname: carbon - OS: Linux 2.6.11.5/x86_64 - CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ (2202.913 MHz) - Processes: 98 - Uptime: 1d 2h 35m - Load Average: 2.08 - Memory Usage: 204.16mb/1001.22mb (20.39%) - Disk Usage: 475.01gb/808.08gb (58.78%)
20:00.03BlissexGeorge: well, people with more money than sense, ... :-)
20:00.08GeorgeBlissex: blah
20:00.15GeorgeBlissex: this is scheduled for christmas anyway
20:00.39mozratright - everyone watch National Geographic - 'Unlocking the da Vinci code' is on
20:00.46BlissexGeorge: could you tempt yourself with an X2?
20:00.56Georgean X2 wouldn't be as fast
20:01.07Georgeif I were to go dual core
20:01.11GeorgeI'd go all-out with dual dual core
20:01.20BlissexGeorge: but practically painless and nearly twice as fast as what you got now.
20:01.36Georgepractically painless?
20:01.39BlissexX2 are still expensive too.
20:02.12BlissexGeorge: well, if you got a motherboard that supports _physically_ X2, it apaprently takes just a BIOS reflash.
20:02.21Georgeprobably.
20:02.59GeorgeI could sell my motherboard/ram/graphics card/processor though
20:03.04GeorgeI could probably pick up 450 for it
20:03.23Georgemobo was 90GBP, cpu was 200GBP, ram was 100GBP and graphics card was 150GBP
20:07.30mozratBlissex: so whats your problem with dpkg?
20:07.50BlissexBTW, as to my musings about distros, I have had a look at a few RPM based distros, and aLinux/Peanut seems right well packaged...
20:08.55Blissexmozrat: as to DPKG, I shall be brief, I have to go out for dinner tomorrow night :-).
20:09.01mozratBlissex: LOL
20:10.25mozratBlissex: you're on #asterisk - do you use it much?
20:10.57Blissexhowever, basically DPKG is too complicated and slow... and every new feature takes forever to get adopted...
20:11.13Blissexmozrat: no, I am not using it much, I have studied the config, and done some experiments.
20:11.38Blissexmozrat: I am trying to produce a ''clean'' config, because as usual the existing sample configs are hard to understand and poorly written.
20:12.02mozratBlissex: I wrote a script to pull asterisk user and phone config from LDAP
20:12.14mozratand spit out the config files
20:12.16Blissexmozrat: that's a useful trick.
20:12.32mozratBlissex: yes - I installed it in someones company who used AD
20:12.35mozratthey liked it
20:13.25Blissexmozrat: that probably simplified their admin a fair bit.
20:13.31mozratBlissex: yep
21:04.25edwardanybody looking for a flatmate? i have to find a new place to live by 15th August
21:04.50AngelChild(well, not really, it's quite a commute to southampton xD)
21:05.09edwardyou are in Southampton? i've got some friends in southampton
21:05.19edwarddo you know any students?
21:11.15AngelChildi am a student :P
21:11.39AngelChildjust finished first year computer engineering, although i'm switching to compsci next year
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21:36.05wethrinanth!
21:52.53anthwethrin!
21:54.17wethrinHow's NZ life?
21:55.22anthPretty good. Apart from having caught a cold
21:55.39anthWhat are you up to these days?
21:57.10wethrinStill doing my PhD
22:04.00GeorgeAngelChild: switching to compsci?
22:04.03GeorgeAngelChild: freak
22:04.35wethrinDo Physics instead :)
22:04.40Georgedo maths
22:04.50wethrinMaths is for freaks
22:05.03Georgeprecisely.
22:05.13Georgephysics at oxford is for complete idiots though
22:05.28wethrinYeah, so's Cambridge Uni
22:05.32AngelChildo.o
22:05.37GeorgeI'm not at Cambridge :P
22:05.42AngelChildthen decided it was too much work xD
22:05.45wethrinHeh
22:05.46GeorgeAngelChild: didn't get an offer?
22:05.53AngelChilddidn't bother going to the interview
22:05.59Georgethat's a no then :P
22:06.01AngelChildwas utterly depressed at the time
22:06.10GeorgeI'm not surprised
22:06.12GeorgeI mean, look at you
22:06.14GeorgeYOU SUCK
22:06.19AngelChildthat's really not funny
22:06.25George:(
22:06.38Georgeyes it is
22:06.40wethrinGeorge: Have you ever seen AC?
22:06.45Georgewethrin: AC?
22:06.52Georgewethrin: alan cox?
22:06.55wethrinAngelChild
22:07.02Georgealternating current? air conditioning?
22:07.08Georgeno
22:07.24Georgewethrin: of course I haven't. I don't leave my room. DUH.
22:07.26wethrinSo you can't say 'look at you...you suck'
22:07.29wethrinHeh
22:07.42George'tis a figure of speech
22:07.53Georgeblah. confusions confusions
22:07.57Georgedo I buy a new laptop.
22:08.00wethrinNo
22:08.02Georgeor do I grab a dual opteron
22:08.05wethrinGive me the money
22:08.10Georgewethrin: no.
22:08.19Georgewethrin: you're an oxbridge grad. go earn some, lazy bitch
22:08.20George;)
22:08.34wethrinI'm a stoodent
22:08.43Georgeno
22:08.45Georgeit's stewdent.
22:09.13wethrinNo, it's stoodent
22:09.30Georgelet's take a vote
22:09.37Georgeall for 'stoodent' say aye
22:09.39wethrinAye
22:09.58Georgeall for 'stewdent' say nay
22:09.59Georgenay
22:10.08Georgeok
22:10.12wethrinOne on one still
22:10.14GeorgeI count as 20 people because I'm so massive
22:10.26George(see? used a physics term there. I wish I could die right now...)
22:10.30wethrinYeah, but you're a KDE "programmer", so that loses 19 votes
22:10.37George(ps - if you say it could be arranged, I will kill you)
22:10.43Georgewethrin: DEVELOPER. BITCH.
22:11.08wethrinProgrammer
22:11.14Georgedeveloper.
22:12.14Georgeblah.
22:12.21GeorgeI need to send off my passport applcation form
22:12.22anthaye
22:12.24wethrinProgramm0r
22:12.25Georgegrumble
22:12.27Georgeanth: fuck you
22:12.35wethrinGeorge: Yeah. Get out of the country!
22:12.41Georgewethrin: blah
22:12.46Georgewethrin: I'm only going to spain
22:12.47Georgefor 10 days
22:12.50GeorgeaKademy 2005 :D
22:12.52wethrinStay there!
22:12.54Georgeno
22:12.56Georgefeck orff
22:13.16wethrinIsn't aKademy an excuse for boozing?
22:13.19Georgeno
22:13.22GeorgeI don't drink
22:15.00anthI think everything looks like an excuse for boozing to wethrin
22:15.09Georgeanth: wouldn't surprise me.
22:15.10wethrinYou suck
22:15.15Georgeanth: have you seen the size of his stomach? :)
22:15.27wethrinanth: Conferences are good excuses, though
22:15.32wethrinYou've come to FOSDEM!
22:15.39GeorgeFOSDEM is not a conference.
22:15.43Georgeit's a 3 day piss up.
22:15.48Georgethis is a well known fact
22:15.53wethrinIt's a conference. They have lectures and all
22:15.55wethrinAs does UKUUG
22:15.55Georgeno
22:15.57Georgeit's a PISS UP
22:16.01wethrinLBW is a pissup
22:16.03Georgejust like university
22:16.21anthI've thought of something that isn't an excuse for boozing to wethrin...
22:16.30anth...mass produced lager
22:16.31wethrinI have you know that I work hard from 11 until 6!
22:16.34wethrinEwwwww
22:16.37wethrinBad anth!
22:16.47Georgework? wethrin?
22:16.48GeorgeHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
22:16.57wethrinI do!
22:17.03wethrinI need to get some glass blown tomorrow, though
22:17.14anthI love hard work, I could watch it for hours
22:17.25wethrin:-)
23:23.48wethrinrhowe!
23:23.54rhoweHmmm
23:24.08rhoweA friend just sent me a link to a video of a man being fscked by a horse
23:24.15wethrinErr
23:24.30wethrinPlease don't share
23:24.37rhoweI forwarded it to the hot Chinese girl I just spent the day with :P
23:25.05wethrinUhhuh ;-)
23:25.14rhoweHot Chinese girl who has a bf
23:25.21wethrin:(
23:25.26rhoweBut who is actually considering living with me in September or October
23:25.38rhoweWe might end up going flathunting for a place of our own
23:25.48wethrinmmhm ;-)
23:29.10rhowehaha after explaining to her what it was, she said "i'll watch next time must be fun" (she's going to sleep now)
23:30.16wethrinRiight.
23:30.26wethrinPlease don't share the video
23:31.05rhoweNot here I won't. It's probably less than legal in the UK anyhow
23:31.28wethrinIndeed
23:33.13wethrinHow was it?
23:33.23Leedsit was very nice
23:33.29wethrinHurrah!
23:33.31rhoweLeeds: When are you here until?
23:33.35wethrinNah, come to LBW!
23:33.54Leedsrhowe: 28th
23:33.57Leedswethrin: not going to happen
23:34.03rhoweLeeds: d'oh, how could I forget? :P
23:34.21rhoweLeeds: Well pick a day to meet up. I'm away all weekends, but around this Sunday
23:35.14Leedsrhowe: my schedule is pretty empty, in that I have lots to do, but currently very little of it at a fixed time
23:36.48wethrinSo you could stay longer if you wanted?
23:37.11Leedswethrin: not really - I gave them that date as an expected return date, and I've bought a ticket
23:37.16wethrinAhh
23:37.18LeedsI meant I've got lots to do *in London*
23:37.23wethrinRight
23:42.35Leedsanth: without getting floodkicked/banned?
23:49.23anthI was ignoring such minor details
23:52.31rhoweLeeds: Well assuming I don't spend the night in south wales on Saturday (I think it's unlikely), how about sunday?
23:54.09Leedsrhowe: yes, probably :-)
23:54.53Leedsrhowe: is there anything particular you want to do on Sunday, apart from get your b'day pressie?
23:56.02rhoweLeeds: hmm.. eat falafel?
23:57.40Leedssounds like a good plan... Hendon, town, or elsewhere?
23:57.52Leedsyou found any falafel places near you? ;-)
23:58.34rhoweNope, though I haven't really looked
23:58.38rhoweHendon is fine
23:59.15Leedslunch/dinner?
23:59.39rhowehmm.. either
23:59.44rhoweLunch should be fine

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