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06:54.07mozratGoooooooood morning
07:11.27eye69Morning
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07:52.39mozratInteresting idea from UFie Link of the day... Help nuke fake online banks on this site http://www.aa419.org/vampire/ladvampire.html
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08:15.20morsing'morning all
08:20.08mozrathello morsing
08:20.18eye69Hi morsing.
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09:04.11mozratHmmm, OK. video.google.com seems to only support Win32 clients
09:04.18mozrathttp://video.google.com/video_download.html
09:04.39mozrathowever... http://code.google.com/patches.html seems to suggest that it actually uses VLC
09:08.02mozratand they have a Linux uploader for the site https://upload.video.google.com/video_instructions.html#downloadinglinux
09:08.08mozratviewing videos should be possible
09:14.09Leedsmozrat: you do know what their viewer is, right?
09:14.16LeedsBTW, http://moon.google.com
09:15.45mozratLeeds, no, go on?
09:15.55mozratLooks like VLC from the code page
09:16.21Leedsexactly - it's a lightly-customised vlc
09:17.39eye69Leeds: Hahaha
09:17.50eye69Leeds: I guess you've tried zooming in?
09:18.00LeedsI assume it's been attempted, but you could try to build the viewer for Linux
09:18.06Leedseye69: of course :-)
09:18.13eye69Leeds: Funny. :)
09:18.36Leedseye69: and of course it must be true if google says it, right?
09:18.43eye69Leeds: Yes.
09:21.17mozratMmmmm, cheese
09:21.51Leedsmozrat: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/codesite-discuss/browse_thread/thread/e5a3f9fec6058cb0/ff01dbc84f80a00b?q=video+linux&rnum=1#ff01dbc84f80a00b
09:34.13rhowehttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5789263206
09:37.22Leedsrhowe: feeling rich?
09:37.33rhoweNah
09:37.40rhoweFriend just forwarded the link :)
10:00.36morsingmozrat: cheese?
10:01.24Leedsmorsing: cheese
10:06.40morsingHi Leeds
10:06.48morsingWhen are we going for a drink?
10:07.03Leedsgood question
10:07.30Leedspity it's a perl thing...
10:09.16Leedsmorsing: unless you have a better suggestion?
10:09.41morsingLeeds: Better suggestion than "good question"?
10:10.53Leedsbetter suggestion than hijacking the perl thing
10:11.25morsingKillin?
10:12.50Leedsparse error
10:15.51Leedsmorsing: Killin?
10:18.48morsingLeeds: Are you going?
10:19.17wethrinLeeds: The London.pm social?
10:20.23rhoweWhen is it?
10:21.21Leedsmorsing: who or what is Killin?
10:21.29Leedsrhowe: tomorrow
10:22.03morsingLeeds: LBW in Scotland
10:22.10Leedswethrin: I wouldn't normally plan on it, but if it's an already-arranged social thing while I'm here, I might deign to attend
10:22.26Leedsah... no, I have no intention whatsoever of going to Scotland in the next 8 days
10:23.39wethrinLeeds: LBW is more than 8 days away
10:23.56wethrinLondon.pm is generally quite fun - almost no talk of Perl
10:24.16Leedswell, I'm off back to HK on the 28th
10:25.12rhoweLondon.pm is generally very insular and geeky
10:25.26morsingLeeds: So you're going?
10:25.42Leedsmorsing: to London.pm?  possibly
10:27.54morsingKILLIN!
10:28.23morsingibot wake Leeds
10:28.23ibotLeeds: GOOD MORNING!!!
10:29.48Leedsmorsing: when is Killin?
10:31.39morsing6-14th Au.
10:31.41morsingAug
10:32.11Leedsso given that I'm going back to HK on the 28th - as I said above - are you asking me if I'm coming back to the UK a week later to go to LBW?
10:32.26wethrinrhowe: Yes, but it tends to involve EvilDave
10:32.35morsingLeeds: No - you said you were coming back to the UK on the 28th
10:33.04Leedsmorsing: where did I say that?
10:33.24Leedsnot at 11:24 (by my clock) where I said HK not UK
10:37.02rhoweLeeds: If you're going to pm, I may well turn up
10:38.05Leedsrhowe: well, I intend to do something social, and given that I'm too crap to have put out a call for participants - I may as well hijack an existing event
10:38.35rhoweOK
10:38.40rhoweLemme whip up a gllug-social email
10:42.18rhoweLeeds: $boss just noticed what happens if you zoom all the way in on http://moon.google.com/
10:45.20Leedsrhowe: yes>
10:45.21Leeds?
10:46.11rhowehm, I guess I'm just slow :P
10:46.13Leedshmm... 020 3 numbers coming soon, apparently
10:46.31George020 3?
10:46.54Leedsjust for all those people who think the area code is 0208 or 0207
10:47.54Leedsrhowe: thanks
10:49.05murbleLeeds: O2 seemed to think that.
10:49.14murbleatleast according to their advertising.
10:49.24murbleas do house prices.
10:52.04murbleDoes it have any pearls in it iyet?
10:52.17Leedsnot that I've noticed
10:58.58Leedshmm... I suspect that the mobile bill I got yesterday which includes rental up to mid-August should take me to 12 months and therefore out-of-contract
11:08.28Leedshmm... all credit to O2...
11:09.04Leedscalled up, said I was going abroad and didn't want to be paying for a contract, but still wanted the number to work, so could they move me onto a PAYG or something...
11:10.31Leedsinstead, they've given me 75 quid credit for starting a new contract and not taking a new phone, and moved me onto a 6 pound/month tarrif - so I stay as a contact customer, but pay no actual rental
11:10.42wethrinnot bad
11:11.54Leedshmm... their quoted price for that tarrif on their website is 16 per month...
11:18.14rhoweI'm considering getting a free phone with no line rental and free minutes
11:18.15rhoweWith 3
11:18.32rhoweCarphonewarehouse will give rebates all year for the line rental :P
11:19.03rhoweBut I think I need a bit of cash to begin with, and they'll pay me back later
11:19.11rhoweWhich sucks, as I don't have any :P
11:19.15LeedsI've heard good and bad things about 3 in technical terms, and bad things about them in customer service terms - but you can't beat free
11:22.54Leedsah, bloody non-members-must-be-manually-approved mailing lists! :-)
11:23.42Leedsnow, to call Sky and tell them where to stick their service...
11:26.01Leedsand then the same to TiVo :-(
11:28.15Leeds"if you find IVR very very very annoying, please press 1 now"
11:32.13eye69Leeds: So HK is permanent?
11:33.45Leedssemi
11:34.17Leedsenough for me to cancel non-essential stuff like sky and tivo - but I'm going to leave things like BT, water/gas/electricity in place
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11:35.27Leedsafternoon axelS
11:35.31axelShiho
11:37.32axelScan somebody try ping axels.homeip.net please? MTIA
11:37.59Leedsat least no-one else is likely to try to persuade me to stick with them - "moving to HK" is a good reason for cancelling :-)
11:38.19LeedsaxelS: unknown host
11:38.21axelShmm
11:38.38axelSdyndns has the right ip though. what the heck?
11:38.57axelSthanks for confirming leeds
11:39.28Leedspleasure
11:39.50axelSany idea why it shouldn't work? ano requests is also allowed... argh
11:42.45rhowebleh, Mozilla have just released 1.0,6 of both firefox and thunderbird
11:42.53rhowestability problems with 1.0.5 apparently
11:43.13Leedsrhowe: yeah... I didn't bother with 1.0.5 because they announced 1.0.6 was coming almost immediately
11:43.25LeedsaxelS: no idea on dyndns stuff, sorry
11:44.10axelSshame :-(
11:45.21Leedsapparently tivo UK are too busy to answer the phone right now and have put me on a queue - unless there's only one person left there, I'm quite suprised
11:49.51Leedsand... they only do on-the-day cancellations, so assuming I don't want it to go dead until I leave, I need to call up again next week...
11:50.29rhoweWhat needs cancelling?
11:50.59Leedsrhowe: tivo
11:51.10rhoweIt's a subscription thing?
11:51.13Leedsyeah
11:51.24rhoweWhat do you subscribe to? The schedules?
11:51.38Leedsyup... and software upgrades, but there haven't been any of them for a long long time
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11:52.18Leedsto be fair, when the schedules are right, they're pretty good - lots of metadata and so on...
11:53.34Georgehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4697461.stm
11:55.53LeedsGeorge: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
11:56.11Leedsfucking stupid politicians fucking up schools
11:56.11GeorgeLeeds: same reaction as me
11:56.15George"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
11:56.26GeorgeLeeds: yeah
11:56.30GeorgeLeeds: I wish they'd stop doing that
11:56.32stephenrofl
12:02.40highburyleeds: most utility companies and councils, will give you a rebate, if nobody is physically living in your flat
12:03.06Leedshighbury: I'm about to start a round of calling people like that to discuss it with them
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12:10.37Leedsdid I leave?
12:10.58stephenindeed you did
12:12.25Leedsstrange... I din't mean to :-)
12:12.46axelSblame the matrix ;-)
12:16.34Leedsthey changed something
12:26.29Leedsall IVR systems should, by law, have a "shut up you stupid machine and let me speak to someone in a call center!" option
12:30.57Leedshmm... gas and electricity people said "no worries, call us with your meter readings when you leave and we'll keep the account and services running, but won't bill you - just let us know when you're back"
12:31.26Leedswater people said "you don't have a meter, so if you want the taps to keep working at all you need to keep paying the full regular price"
12:31.28murbleLeeds: if you want fun, try getting a copy of your medical records.
12:32.25Leedshow about getting the farble-warble civil service to acknowledge a change-of-address card?
12:38.07murbleahah, i wonder how many addresses the revenue have for me.
12:40.03Leedsso... time to go back through a couple of months of (online) bank statements and see which bills can be attacked
12:54.18axelSanybody else using deb sarge with 2.6?
12:56.28murble2.6 of what?
12:56.42eye69axelS: Yes.
12:56.44axelSkernel 1.6
12:56.47axelS2.6 even
12:56.54axelStrying to install it on my mini itx
12:57.04axelSit boots and then the screen just blanks
12:57.32eye69Yuck.
12:57.44axelSgreat now i've got commas all over the screen
12:57.54axelSmaybe a dodgy cd?
12:59.28murbleaxelS: did you build it yourself?
12:59.33murblethe kernel?@
12:59.47murbleor did you choose a debian -686 kernel by accident?
12:59.48axelSdownloaded debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso
12:59.54axelStoasted it and now trying to install
13:08.22axelShmm 2.2 works oh well - looks like a slightly longer process then
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13:16.41axelShi highbury
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13:34.22highburyhmmmm... Frozen Bubble and Synergy don't coexist happily :-/
13:35.05highburyI lost my mouse, had to HUP frozen bubble, it didn't reset the screen, so I had to restart X
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13:59.31Georgeheya Leeds
14:01.46Leedsfucking IVR!
14:02.08Leedshey George
14:03.21LeedsARGH!!!!!
14:03.46Leedsfucking royal fucking mail make it fucking impossible to fucking speak to anyone on the fucking phone!
14:04.27eye69Fucked up.
14:05.58Leedslet's see if the old trick still works... just refuse to press anything and hope it gives up and drops down to a human
14:08.45Leedsit works :-)
14:09.43eye69:)
14:10.54Leedsthis is regarding international mail redirection... about 67 quid and they'll airmail anything on to you anywhere in the world for a year
14:12.20Leedsoh, and you can do online renewal - they don't expect you to come into a post office in the UK in order to renew :-)
14:12.29Georgehttp://www.gwright.org.uk/images/view.php?display=pictures/Desktop/pict0801.jpg&width=800&height=600
14:12.32George:D
14:15.30Leedsfrom today's PMQ:
14:15.42eye69Leeds: That sounds quite unlike what you'd expect from RM. :)
14:15.57LeedsLabour's Anne Begg asked if Mr Blair planned to read the new Harry Potter book
14:15.57LeedsMr Blair said his "Harry Potter brief is somewhat thin" but he was told by someone that in the new book the minister of magic appears to confront the prime minister. "I am still waiting for the minister," he said
14:16.11Leedseye69: indeed... I guess I'll report back on how well it works...
14:17.04Georgeoooh
14:17.05Georgebuy me a present
14:17.06George:D
14:59.07rhowehmm
14:59.30rhowesingle or multimode? 62.5micron core vs 50micron core
14:59.34wethrinYES!
14:59.51rhoweDoesn't help that for all the parts I have, I can't find the part numbers *anywhere* on HP's site, so I don't know what I'm working with
15:00.20rhoweI have a little IBM optical transceiver
15:00.45wethrinAnd nothing to go with it?
15:00.57rhoweIt has IBM part codes.. 23L3336, 96EXS1065TM, SOC-1063N, 21H9872 and IBM42S10SNNCP20
15:01.15rhoweIt also has Compaq part number 234456-003 and compaq spares part number 234458-001
15:01.37rhoweThis thing is smaller than my phone and it has 7 bloody part codes
15:01.47wethrinheh
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16:11.45zacharyello
16:12.10wethrinhi
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18:46.07axelShiho
18:57.16Georgeheh
20:11.35rhowehaha http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/7291/hasslefreeplat3qq.jpg
20:22.17stephenho ho
20:29.45rhowehttp://ian-norris.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/knightrider.gif
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20:44.26JAVG'd evening
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22:34.56Leedswoooo! http://www.somethingwrong.co.uk/crazy_frog_baseball/ - flash - beat up the fucking frog :-)
22:37.25wethrindidn't work for me when I tried it
22:40.41Leedsworks *well* for me
22:42.00LeedsI just cut his head off!
22:44.52LeedsI would expect jamster to send their attack lawyers in
22:45.42wethrinhehe
22:51.39Leedsstrangely, O2 have announced today that they've reduced churn, but had their ARPU fall... I think keeping me on as a contract customer by offering to pay my line rental for a year fits into that profile, no?
23:31.27Georgewibble
23:31.55wethrinyou wobble like a girl!
23:33.11Georgewtf
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23:51.41Leedsthere we go - apart from the fact that the first DVD didn't write well, that's over 9.5 hours of good quality video on one disk
23:52.51Leedsand to celebrate - I'm going to Tesco
23:55.02wethrinhurrah

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