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06:01.25 | highbury | morning |
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07:33.40 | morsing | Ey up! |
07:50.50 | mozrat | allo! |
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08:57.20 | eye69 | Morning |
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09:01.36 | mozrat | Leeds! |
09:02.52 | Leeds | morning mozrat |
09:14.43 | Leeds | hmmm... in the last month, I appear to have used my credit card to pay companies in 5 countries - Hong Kong, Macau, Germany, UK and the US :-) |
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09:15.28 | Leeds | morning axelS |
09:15.32 | axelS | g;morning |
09:16.10 | Leeds | just think... if your surname started with F, you could sue the fucking frog into a small smoking crater |
09:17.10 | wethrin | :) |
09:17.16 | wethrin | Does Leeds not like Crazy Frog, then? |
09:18.09 | Leeds | wethrin: where did you get that impression? something to do with my moving to the Far East largely to get away from it? |
09:18.31 | wethrin | The only time I've ever seen it is on HIGNFY |
09:18.45 | wethrin | And then William Hague did his impression of it at the end of the show |
09:19.19 | Leeds | the strange thing is that the one place I'm not aware of ever having heard it is on a phone... but their adverts are fucking annoying, and their 'music' is a travesty |
09:19.31 | Leeds | plus, the company is pretty sleazy |
09:20.47 | wethrin | I've not seen the adverts :) I don't watch TV |
09:20.53 | wethrin | At least not advert-ed TV |
09:23.18 | Leeds | to be honest, I think the main place I've seen them is at the gym... and therefore not amazingly often :-) |
09:24.42 | wethrin | Ahh |
09:27.10 | Leeds | anyway, the mere concept of their 'music' is enough to justify, oh, surrounding the whole company with frogstar fighters and dragging the building off to the Total Perspective Vortex |
09:27.26 | wethrin | It's no worse that rap "music" |
09:27.37 | Leeds | it's far worse |
09:27.57 | wethrin | ehh |
09:28.04 | wethrin | ding ding ding |
09:28.44 | Leeds | you may not like the actual style of rap, but there is - sometimes - serious creative and at least rythmic value, if not melodic |
09:28.54 | wethrin | Rarely |
09:29.02 | wethrin | Specially with the mass-marketed tripe |
09:30.07 | morsing | Mmm... |
09:30.10 | Leeds | but not never |
09:30.11 | wethrin | Hm. I should have breakfast. I've been on IRC for about 20 minutes already |
09:30.33 | Leeds | and it's certainly not as blatantly cynical a manipulation of the music 'business' |
09:30.40 | wethrin | True :) |
09:34.38 | wethrin | Hm. I should eat breakfast |
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09:40.21 | George | Leeds: mmm. muffins. |
09:43.22 | Leeds | mmmmmm..... |
10:04.06 | wethrin | Oh dear. Some silly Labour person said that 'Land of Hope and Glory' should be replaced with Rod Stewart's 'Sailing' at Remembrance Day services, because LOHaG has got 'political connotations'. And had to back down due to complaints from veterans |
10:11.09 | Leeds | damn right |
10:11.27 | Leeds | of course, to Americans, LoHaG just means someone is graduating :-) |
10:11.43 | wethrin | :) |
10:11.54 | wethrin | Maybe he objected to "Mother of the Free" :) |
10:15.34 | wethrin | I should head into the department. Bye |
10:15.38 | Leeds | seeya |
10:16.10 | murble | Leeds: or dying. |
10:16.13 | murble | s/dying/dead/ |
10:16.19 | murble | they play the tune at funerals etc. |
10:16.35 | Leeds | murble: really? never heard that before |
10:17.57 | murble | Well they had it for ex presidentregans anyway, maybe that isn't typische |
10:18.29 | Leeds | maybe they class it as a special sort of graduation - mad religious folks over there :-) |
10:19.36 | Leeds | bloody hell - 39 degrees in Macau |
10:20.58 | murble | not bad. |
10:22.05 | Leeds | try adding a power outage which left about 1000 homes without power - i.e. no aircon |
10:26.45 | Leeds | ibot change 100000 hkd to gbp |
10:40.03 | wethrin | Mmm |
10:40.06 | morsing | Mmm... |
10:40.10 | wethrin | beer? |
10:40.15 | morsing | Ricwe |
10:40.22 | wethrin | yes |
10:47.55 | Leeds | so, given the lack of obvious alternatives, I think I should declare this evening's london.pm my official back-in-town/leaving-town do... |
10:48.35 | wethrin | You get to see Stig dancing/singing :) |
10:48.42 | Leeds | so I see... |
10:49.05 | Leeds | and it's just behind Houston station |
10:50.25 | wethrin | So fairly convenient for you? |
10:50.57 | Leeds | reasonably |
10:51.29 | Leeds | I was thinking of heading into town mid-afternoon-ish for shopping/wandering/etc., and Euston is convenient to get home... |
10:51.39 | wethrin | Fair enough |
10:51.52 | morsing | Leeds: Not Aylesbury? |
10:51.53 | Leeds | must dig out my osyter card |
10:52.01 | Leeds | morsing: not planning on it |
10:52.15 | wethrin | Aylesbury is too far away :) |
10:52.17 | Leeds | morsing: you coming tonight then? |
10:52.25 | morsing | wethrin: No it isn't |
10:52.31 | Leeds | wethrin: it's not horribly far away from here, but it is a drive |
10:52.35 | morsing | Leeds: No - parents are visiting |
10:52.50 | Leeds | morsing: so you're missing my leaving do for the second time? |
10:53.09 | wethrin | morsing: It is. It's about 5 hours away for me :) |
10:53.17 | Leeds | wethrin can't be bothered to come down and see me... morsing is busy entertaining old people... I don't know... :-) |
10:53.30 | wethrin | I'm coming down the DAY AFTER! |
10:53.37 | wethrin | You just leave at inconvenient times |
10:53.59 | Leeds | to be honest, if things had worked out a little better, I'd have come back a week later and stayed for the UKUUG thing |
10:54.07 | Leeds | and my birthday, etc. |
10:54.17 | mozrat | newbie vi question for you... whats the opposite of "set number" ? |
10:54.32 | mozrat | to remove the line numbering |
10:55.29 | Leeds | mozrat: in vim, at least, "set foo" tends to be paired with "set nofoo" |
10:56.53 | mozrat | Leeds, thanks :) |
10:56.57 | Leeds | pleasure |
10:57.07 | mozrat | Leeds, what time are you hitting London.pm tonight? I'm only going for one |
10:57.35 | mozrat | church mouse with a mortgage from the "Bank of Cheese" and a few dozen little mice |
10:57.37 | wethrin | mozrat: Isn't that a few hours too early? |
10:57.49 | mozrat | wethrin: ahhhh. let me see |
10:58.10 | mozrat | Leeds, what time are you hitting London.pm *tomorrow*? I'm only going for one |
10:58.38 | wethrin | No, a few hours, not an entire day :) |
10:58.44 | mozrat | hehehehe |
10:58.46 | wethrin | You should be going for around eight, not around one |
10:59.09 | Leeds | um... |
10:59.11 | Leeds | it's today |
10:59.19 | mozrat | today |
10:59.19 | mozrat | yes |
10:59.24 | Leeds | and I'd say sometime around 6ish, for the duration |
11:00.08 | mozrat | wethrin: don't confuse me :) |
11:00.15 | wethrin | Why not? :) |
11:00.30 | mozrat | cos I'm easy pickings! |
11:01.25 | wethrin | True. :) |
11:01.36 | Leeds | it's the blackberry... |
11:04.02 | Leeds | so... if I decided to *not* crash the london.pm and call for drinks, say, Tuesday next week... would anyone actually bother turning up? :-) |
11:04.12 | mozrat | Leeds, very likely :) |
11:04.54 | wethrin | Leeds: Do both |
11:05.48 | Leeds | wethrin: I think you're probably right |
11:06.47 | wethrin | :) |
11:12.01 | mozrat | Leeds are you thinking of skipping then |
11:14.27 | Leeds | mozrat: as I said in my mail - I do intend to be there tonight, but I'd also prefer to have my own drinks next week - Tuesday night seems best |
11:14.39 | mozrat | Leeds, noted |
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11:16.31 | aCilnv | hi all |
11:17.03 | mozrat | Hello! |
11:18.11 | aCilnv | a quick question, i currently get my email from my hosting co - oneandone.co.uk - but seeing as i'm fedup paying £80/yr and have an debian box at home doing nothing, how diff will it be to get email running on it..and if so , what's the easiest email solution for me to implement ..? |
11:18.43 | mozrat | aCilnv: depends on things such as do you have a static IP address |
11:18.48 | aCilnv | is there a how-to doc to getting email running?? |
11:18.51 | Leeds | aCilnv: how many addresses? how many domains? what is your connection at home? does it have a static IP? |
11:18.53 | aCilnv | yip ..static at home |
11:18.59 | mozrat | would you have a secondary server to accept mail if your ADSL goes down etc |
11:19.19 | aCilnv | 1 domain , about 5 addresses , adsl 1mb aT home ..static |
11:19.48 | Leeds | and only one user, I assume? |
11:19.53 | aCilnv | well if adsl goes ... no sec ..( i know that does mean a potential loss of email..) |
11:20.14 | aCilnv | yes .. thats it ..leeds ...1 usr |
11:21.12 | aCilnv | i've been reading the exim / postix / sendmail ..ect rants .. and am totally confused now .. cause al claim they are bette . abit like the distro wars ? |
11:22.06 | mozrat | aCilnv: which distro do you want to use? |
11:22.09 | Leeds | aCilnv: don't forget qmail - which is really appallingly bad |
11:22.13 | Leeds | mozrat: debian |
11:22.33 | mozrat | A basic setup shouldn't be to hard to get going |
11:22.52 | aCilnv | yip . . i already have a debian box with apache ssl running on it .. so .. if i can add the mail on to that .. it would be cool |
11:23.01 | mozrat | postfix and ipopd |
11:23.12 | mozrat | or imap |
11:23.26 | aCilnv | would prefer imap. . |
11:23.26 | Leeds | aCilnv: would you want access to your mail from outside your home network? |
11:23.46 | aCilnv | if its not too much of a hassle .. yip .. |
11:23.57 | aCilnv | something like webmail ?? |
11:24.18 | Leeds | well, if you've already got https working, that's probably the best thing, yes |
11:25.02 | aCilnv | but 1st things 1st ( Oz is getting killed in the cricket) ..just want to have a email server to get the mail .. and to send mail from .. so i can tell oneandone to fukoff |
11:25.29 | Leeds | I've never really looked at postfix... sendmail is okay, but pretty complex... exim seems nice... qmail is evil |
11:26.19 | aCilnv | so what do you guys think is the easiest solution for the simple problem of mine ? |
11:26.30 | rhowe | hotmail :) |
11:27.10 | mozrat | aCilnv: I would recommend installing postfix (but thats just my preference) and the UW imap daemons |
11:27.11 | Leeds | rhowe: fool! gmail... |
11:27.22 | mozrat | that would get you a server up and running with your local users |
11:27.28 | mozrat | and you can make it more complex ther |
11:27.31 | aCilnv | rhowe .. something a little more flexible .. where i can also still have my email address at name@mydomain.com |
11:27.34 | mozrat | complex from there |
11:27.48 | Leeds | personally I'd go for exim over postfix - just because I know exim a little better |
11:28.13 | rhowe | hmm.. |
11:28.37 | aCilnv | so id use exim as my incoming .. and what as my smtp ? |
11:28.54 | Leeds | exim |
11:28.57 | Leeds | or postfix |
11:29.11 | Leeds | incoming and outgoing mail aren't really very different, from the point of view of your MTA |
11:29.35 | aCilnv | so what will be my MTA then ? |
11:29.47 | Leeds | exim... or postfix :-) |
11:30.25 | mozrat | aCilnv: Postfix (or exim :-) is your SMTP server, MTA, outgoing and incoming mail server software |
11:30.30 | Leeds | there are three M?As - Mail Transfer Agent, Mail Delivery Agent, and Mail User Agent |
11:30.56 | Leeds | and I would always use procmail as MDA |
11:31.59 | aCilnv | oki...boys ..tx a mill ...off to the google howto search .. and speak later ! |
11:32.31 | Leeds | good luck - and feel free to hang around either just because, or for help as you go... |
11:33.21 | aCilnv | tx |
11:35.53 | mozrat | :) |
11:36.08 | rhowe | enlists, more like :P |
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12:23.35 | mozrat | Wild rumour time |
12:23.44 | mozrat | anyone near Warren Street at the moment? |
12:25.13 | rhowe | Not me |
12:25.52 | mozrat | 3 stations evacuated apparently |
12:26.25 | mozrat | http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1189833,00.html |
12:28.28 | wethrin | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4703777.stm |
12:28.33 | wethrin | Northern Line in not working shocker |
12:34.06 | Leeds | hmm... was planning to head that way soon |
12:34.27 | Leeds | guess maybe I won't hurry |
12:35.17 | Leeds | on the other hand, I appear to have a working 0207-incoming SIP phone |
12:36.21 | Leeds | http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-centre/press-releases/press-releases-content.asp?prID=443 |
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12:40.46 | wethrin | heh. The subtitle to the page is "Getting London Moving" |
12:41.27 | wethrin | Reuters says a nail bomb at Warren St. |
12:44.26 | mozrat | "He told me he had seen a man carrying a rucksack which suddenly exploded. It was a minor explosion but enough to blow open his rucksack. Everyone rushed from the carriage. People evacuated very quickly. There was no panic. |
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12:44.34 | mozrat | The man who was holding the rucksack looked extremely dismayed. |
12:44.40 | mozrat | extremely dismayed?? |
12:45.09 | axelS | shit |
12:45.14 | axelS | we've been attacked again |
12:45.20 | axelS | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4703777.stm |
12:45.23 | wethrin | Extremely dismayed :) |
12:45.29 | Leeds | John Hearnes seems to think it was a dummy |
12:45.48 | axelS | sorry, didn't see you already knew |
12:49.26 | gregj | something happend in London again ? |
12:49.43 | Leeds | gregj: apparently |
12:49.44 | gregj | what is rucksack :> |
12:50.14 | Leeds | gregj: backpack? bag you carry on on your back with one strap over each shoulder |
12:50.21 | gregj | oh |
12:51.13 | gregj | terrorists again, or just accident ? |
12:51.23 | axelS | dunno yet |
12:51.33 | axelS | apparently people felt a bang |
12:52.18 | axelS | oops - somebody said the f word on bbc 24 |
12:52.30 | Leeds | axelS: no-one is going to care right now |
12:52.36 | gregj | axelS: :] |
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12:52.48 | pie | Hello! |
12:52.51 | Leeds | ah well - there goes my plans to go into town this afternoon |
12:52.53 | Leeds | pie: hey |
12:52.53 | iTron | "Dummy explosions using detonators only have sparked the evacuation of three Tube stations and the closure of three lines, a BBC correspondent has said. |
12:53.18 | iTron | So looks like it's only detonator caps that went off. |
12:53.20 | wethrin | pie! |
12:53.29 | pie | Hmmmm, pie |
12:53.44 | pie | iTron, got a URL? |
12:54.24 | Leeds | bomb on a bus as well... |
12:54.57 | iTron | pie: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4703777.stm |
12:55.36 | axelS | pretty darn stuipid |
12:55.40 | axelS | stupid even |
12:55.53 | Leeds | so was it a) a failed attack, b) a copycat attack, c) a prank, d) other? |
12:56.08 | axelS | they must have been planted which beggars believe that this can happen two weeks after the bombs |
12:56.14 | gregj | Leeds: on the bus ? |
12:56.19 | Leeds | gregj: generally |
12:56.29 | iTron | If it's only detonator caps going off, then either it's someone's idea of a sick joke, or it's a further little attempt at a psychological attack, in my opinion. |
12:56.45 | AngelChild | aye |
12:56.49 | gregj | or was it just the way to show ppl 'we can do it again, see' |
12:57.14 | AngelChild | fear is more effective than mass murder |
12:57.17 | iTron | gregj: That comes under " a further little attempt at a psychological attack" ;) |
12:57.31 | axelS | AngelChild: indeed |
12:58.08 | gregj | so if there are no injuries, ppl carring these "bombs" should still be alive |
12:58.12 | iTron | If it's someone's idea of a sick joke, then they're in for an awful lot of bother when law enforcement catch up with them.. |
12:58.50 | axelS | a second cell |
12:58.58 | axelS | perhaps |
12:59.25 | axelS | i just can't believe this can happen with all the extra security in place! |
12:59.40 | axelS | s.bombers, ok - i can understand but dummies? |
13:00.09 | AngelChild | you can't stop people from carrying bags around, and it isn't feasible to check them all |
13:00.20 | AngelChild | or even any significant proportion of them |
13:00.25 | Leeds | and it's very hard to scan for bombs |
13:00.51 | AngelChild | you can't really stop that thing at the point of attack very effectively |
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13:08.26 | gregj | skynews says it was nailbomb... |
13:09.07 | AngelChild | skynews said it was a nailbomb when there were sketchy unconfirmed reports |
13:09.49 | rhowe | London Police not regarding this as a major incident yet. (BBC News 24) |
13:09.51 | gregj | skynews is telling rubish anyway |
13:09.53 | rhowe | ugh, wrong paste |
13:10.01 | rhowe | http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/London_Underground_evacuation_after_%27Incidents%27 |
13:10.07 | rhowe | That's what I meant to paste |
13:10.23 | gregj | they claimed poped died one day before, that there were over 100 fatalities 2 weeks ago, etc |
13:11.11 | gregj | s/poped/Pope/ |
13:11.15 | rhowe | gregj: Do you want my bank details, btw? |
13:11.25 | gregj | rhowe: yes, I am still waiting :-) |
13:11.34 | rhowe | gregj: What do you need? The IBAN? |
13:11.52 | gregj | I thought you are waiting for the time when you are urgently in need or something |
13:11.57 | clyphox | howzit |
13:12.02 | rhowe | gregj: No, just being lazy :P |
13:12.16 | gregj | rhowe: yeah, everything you just normaly need to wire money abroad |
13:12.38 | gregj | but I won't be able to send you anything before 1st anyway, I am completly broken |
13:12.45 | JAV | not_so_good afternoon |
13:12.55 | rhowe | gregj: No worries |
13:13.05 | wethrin | gregj: ITYM 'broke' |
13:13.05 | rhowe | gregj: I won't rush to the bank this lunchtime then :) |
13:13.20 | wethrin | broken is different :) |
13:13.32 | clyphox | I'm both <giggle> |
13:14.30 | gregj | wethrin: yeah, true |
13:14.37 | gregj | sorry, spell problem |
13:14.44 | wethrin | :) |
13:14.44 | gregj | I konw the differene |
13:16.28 | Leeds | UCL hospital? |
13:17.21 | iTron | Yeah looks like armed police are cordoning off UCL hospital. |
13:23.18 | George | gregj: ping |
13:23.42 | gregj | pong |
13:23.49 | George | gregj: can you make it to lwce this year? |
13:23.54 | George | gregj: we need help on the KDE stand |
13:24.03 | gregj | can't promise, but I'll try |
13:24.10 | George | gregj: thanks, it's the 5th and 6th October |
13:24.14 | gregj | I got your email to kde-gb |
13:24.21 | George | gregj: yeah |
13:24.30 | gregj | I'm on it too, |
13:24.34 | George | :P |
13:24.50 | gregj | I still am half British, you know ;) by heart |
13:25.06 | George | :P |
13:25.43 | Leeds | bah... London is far too dangerous - I think I'll move to Hong Kong instead |
13:26.04 | clyphox | I love london now :) |
13:26.09 | wethrin | but Olympia sucks |
13:26.19 | wethrin | And the Linux Expos are really boring. No good freebies any more |
13:26.27 | gregj | :] |
13:26.33 | gregj | yeah, stay in that cottage :P |
13:26.48 | wethrin | I miss London sometimes |
13:32.17 | Leeds | axelS: stillnotafraid.com registered last week |
13:33.27 | axelS | hehe |
13:34.13 | Leeds | however, stillnotafraid.co.uk - which is far more appropriate - seems to be available :-) |
13:35.21 | gregj | ;] |
13:38.01 | rhowe | "There are also reports of Police chasing a man along Tottenham Court Road. (Sky News)" |
13:38.10 | rhowe | National news right there :) |
13:38.26 | gregj | A police officer has indicated that there is an unexploded device in Shepherds Bush.[Radio Five live bbc] |
13:38.35 | gregj | docklands and canary wharf still safe |
13:53.35 | rhowe | mmm, moldy fat |
13:58.09 | Leeds | apparently there are delays on the Northern line... or so I hear |
14:00.10 | rhowe | That's a given |
14:02.33 | gregj | it doesn't run |
14:02.58 | gregj | it is suspened that is |
14:03.14 | gregj | deadpan ? |
14:03.42 | Leeds | saying something which isn't serious, but saying it in such a way that it looks/sounds serious |
14:03.57 | Leeds | i.e. without smiling/smilies |
14:04.45 | gregj | right, than it doesn't work on irc :] |
14:04.51 | Leeds | :-) |
14:05.42 | iTron | Leeds: The spooky thing was, I grokked your deadpan statements ;) |
14:07.13 | Leeds | anyway, again, BBC++ |
14:09.14 | iTron | CNN had the scoop over the BBC. |
14:09.40 | Leeds | but I would turn to the BBC for news about London rather than CNN every single time |
14:10.00 | iTron | They were also quicker in coming up with some real information. Admittedly, the BBC has now caught up and then some. |
14:12.27 | Leeds | bah... time for lunch |
14:22.57 | mozrat | have the buses shut down? |
14:25.40 | iTron | "Man has been arrested at Whitehall" |
14:26.17 | Leeds | outside MoD |
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21:15.46 | George | flloooooble |
22:11.07 | Leeds | wobble |
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22:52.10 | Leeds | evening reuben_ |
22:53.24 | reuben_ | hi |
23:03.09 | reuben_ | george |
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23:16.45 | George | argh, it's Catalyst |
23:16.48 | George | DIE CATALYST |
23:18.36 | wethrin | heh |
23:18.44 | George | I'm so bored. |
23:20.30 | Catalyst | don't tempt me |
23:20.38 | Catalyst | i might just do it in my current state of mind |
23:27.09 | Leeds | what, die? |
23:32.28 | Catalyst | yes |
23:33.31 | Leeds | I recommend not doing that... |
23:46.06 | Catalyst | i know |
23:46.13 | Catalyst | but you'd have to be me to understand |
23:46.17 | Catalyst | like anyone |
23:46.57 | Leeds | well, yeah |
23:53.51 | Catalyst | some people would give anything to be me, so why do i feel so damned depressed all the time >.< |
23:54.24 | wethrin | Good night, all |
23:58.47 | Leeds | wethrin: g'night |
23:59.08 | Leeds | Catalyst: life can suck - but it can always get worse, and in general it tends to get better, in my experience |