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00:57.51highburyhmmm, why not just "command" the tee seems redundant
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10:21.47Leedshmm... breakfast time, I think
10:23.47gregjburp
10:24.00gregjthat reminds me I need to have some breakfast too
10:41.57Leedswhat sort of stupid fucking company would ever let there be a "we're currently very busy, please call back later" message on the IVR option "I want to make a payment"
10:45.12Leedsyou'd think they don't actually want my money at all
10:46.22wethrin:-)
10:51.24Leedsat least it's on an 0800 number
10:52.49wethrinMm
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11:24.07Leedsbulldog still not answering...
11:24.32LeedsBT, on the other hand, just set themselves an interesting challenge - their automated system offered to call me back within an hour
12:35.12Leedsslightly over an hour, but good enough...
12:35.55wethrin:)
12:36.42eye69Was the machine nice to you?
12:38.21Leedseye69: she is :-)
12:38.52Leedsalthough, I told her why I was calling, and she's put me in a queue to customer services... at least they called me back
12:49.25Leedsstill holding...
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13:40.37Leedsmozrat: not in a dancing mood?
13:41.07mozratLeeds, :D
13:41.47Leedshave you been Tangoed?
13:42.13Leedsetc. etc. etc.
13:42.33mozratThat would preferable to dinking around with A.D and winbind all this time
13:45.43LeedsI'm sure it would
13:46.17mozratjust so random
14:21.11Leedsyou've got to love a piece of code which has three "if... break" statements, one after the other, all with a pithy comment: /*Arse.*/
14:21.51wethrin:)
14:22.31Leedsthis is in the suprisingly-short source for GNUDoku :-)
14:22.38wethrinheh
14:48.11Leedsbulldog still busy...
15:10.52Leedswhat's the bet I can get through on the sales line?
15:12.39Leedsstraight in, of course
15:14.14Copeheh
15:16.26Leedssee, thing is, I'd normally just say "okay, I don't need to speak to anyone - I'm going to cancel your payment and I expect you to cancel my service - please contact me for any outstanding payments" - except that I changed my cc number in January and they've not been able to take any funds from me since then anyway!
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15:44.34mozratsorry - but it's a pile of shit
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15:59.37JAVafternoon
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16:45.57Leedshmm... apparently their hours are "9am to 17:30pm"
17:12.09Catalystintriguing
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17:47.48Leedsfoo
17:52.36highburybar
17:56.09Georgeyay
17:56.12Georgeflights booked.
18:01.31Leedsbah
18:01.35GeorgeLeeds: what?
18:01.46Leedsvirgin's website is down and apparently has been all day
18:01.53Georgeheh
18:02.59Leedson the other hand, I'm proceeding towards selling my car to a friend, and it looks like there's loads of room in Upper Class for me to upgrade to on Thursday :-)
18:03.34Georgewhere're you off to?
18:03.40Leedsum... HK?
18:03.45Georgeon thursday?
18:04.43Leedsyes
18:04.46Georgeheh, cya then :P
18:08.46Leedsbye
18:24.40Georgewibble
18:43.55Leedsnow here's something I've never done before - data dvd in hdc, dvd-r in hdd... using growisofs to effectively dd between them :-)
18:46.53Leedsibot change 100 usd to gbp
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20:50.55Georgeit's. AngelChild
21:03.22mozratIt's George
21:05.09Georgeheya mozrat
21:05.28mozrathey George
21:05.57Georgehrmm. VISA is a recursive acronym.
21:06.08mozratreally? how cool
21:06.13mozratwhat does it stand for?
21:06.18George"VISA International Service Association"
21:06.59mozratmm
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21:55.10Georgewibble
21:55.11Georgewibble I say
21:55.12Georgewibble
21:57.23mozratI PROCLAIM THAT FEDORA SUCKS ASS
21:57.28mozratthank you good night
21:57.31AngelChildpwnt
21:59.00mozratJust redone all the samba foo I tried (and failed on) with Debian and it works a treat
21:59.09wethrinHateful fucking shit fileserver
21:59.22mozratwethrin: is it Fedora cos that could be your first problem
21:59.37wethrinNo
21:59.40wethrinIt's Deb*an
21:59.58mozratI love debian
22:00.20wethrinI have no love for it
22:00.25wethrinOr any other distro :)
22:00.46mozrat:)
22:03.10mozratI spent about 6 hours on the weekend battling FC2 and failed and did the exact same config on debian in 1 hour including a dist-upgrade to Sarge
22:03.56wethrinMmm. Very irritatingly, Linux has "helpfully" re-assigned my SCSI devices
22:28.07Georgemozrat: :)
22:28.36wethrinHm. Would I trust Dabs more, or eBuyer more to deliver something ASAP?
22:32.54Georgemozrat: I may be still up for that laptop btw
22:33.02Georgemozrat: now that I'm going to be paid more money :D
22:36.15Georgewethrin: dabs
22:36.30wethrinThanks
22:36.40Georgewethrin: I wouldn't trust ebuyer to deliver anything on time really
22:36.45Georgewethrin: komplett's very good though
22:36.45wethrinShittylink
22:36.54wethrinI need something ASAP, though
22:37.01Georgewethrin: what do you want?
22:37.09wethrinHard drive
22:37.15Georgeheh
22:37.18wethrinReplacement 200GB SATA
22:37.22GeorgeI normally use komplett for hard drives
22:37.34wethrinWill they guarantee delivery by Wednesday?
22:37.55GeorgeI normally get next day delivery on their parcelforce thing
22:38.33Georgebut ymmv
22:43.41wethrinI've tended to find that
22:43.58Georgescan are quite good too
22:44.13GeorgeI ordered 5 300GB disks from them last week on monday (after business hours)
22:44.17Georgethey arrived on the wednesday
22:44.21wethrinThat's good
22:44.26wethrinWas that guaranteed, though?
22:44.28Georgeno
22:44.31wethrinHm
22:44.33Georgebut that's normal for me
22:44.36wethrin:)
22:44.39Georgeand they came from bolton
22:44.57wethrinMy luck tended to be that the more urgently I needed something, the longer it took to arrive
22:45.09Georgeergh
22:45.09Georgesucks
22:46.53Georgescan use citylink though
22:47.44wethrinFuck dabs. Why can't I give them a mobile number?
22:48.31Georgebecause
22:48.38Georgetheir web designers are on crack
22:48.48Georgedabs has one of the worst web interfaces ever
22:48.50Georgewith ebuyer
22:51.31wethrinThey asked for a number and then told them it couldn't be a mobile. Yet they REQUIRE A FUCKING PHONE NUMBER
22:51.38wethrinMy mobile is the ONLY FUCKING PHONE I've got
22:51.40wethrinFUCKWITS
22:51.45wethrinWell, there's the office number
22:52.07Georgesend an evil email to their webmin
22:52.13wethrinHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
22:52.20George?
22:52.30Georgedude, you're starting to sound like me
22:52.31Georgeare you OK?
22:52.32wethrinYou realise I have more chance of teaching a fish to speak Esperanto than getting in contact with a human at Dabs?
22:52.45Georgetry phoning them :)
22:52.53wethrinGot a phone number?
22:52.55Georgeheh
22:52.56Georgeno
22:52.59GeorgeI have an idea
22:53.00wethrinExactly
22:53.03GeorgeDDoS them
22:53.06wethrinPff
22:53.08Georgethat'll surely get you in contact with a human
22:53.26wethrinAha. whois records have someone
22:53.44wethrinBut as long as the order gets sent out tomorrow and arrives by Wednesday I'll be okay
22:55.20wethrinWhat's the Linux firewire support like?
22:55.40Georgegood
22:55.47Georgebetter than usbstorage
22:55.51George(which FUCKING SUCKS)
22:55.54wethrinI plug in a disk and it should Just Work(TM)?
22:55.57Georgeno
22:56.03wethrinOh
22:56.11Georgeyou need to load the sbp2, ieee1394 and ohci1394 mods
22:56.15Georgethen it comes up as a scsi device
22:56.19wethrinRight
22:56.36wethrinAnd Debian Sarge supports ufs?
22:56.59Georgewhy the smeg are you using UFS?
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22:57.57wethrinIt's the FS on a disk I have
22:58.04GeorgeI repeat
22:58.05Georgewhy the smeg are you using UFS?
22:58.18wethrinIt's supported by OS X and real Unices
22:58.24Georgeergh
23:02.55wethrinNever mind. Linux is shit
23:03.36Georgewhat?
23:06.08wethrinIt doesn't support UFS
23:06.17Georgeyes it does.
23:06.19wethrinAnd how the fuck do I get into single-user mode using grub?
23:06.26GeorgeI don't use grub
23:06.31wethrinSensible
23:06.45wethrinWell, $person on Debian list said the OS X ufs isn't supported
23:06.48wethrinMaybe he's talking shit
23:06.49Georgecarbon linux # grep UFS .config
23:06.49GeorgeCONFIG_UFS_FS=m
23:06.49George# CONFIG_UFS_FS_WRITE is not set
23:07.09Georgeit is supported, but it was readonly when I last checked (in 2001)
23:07.50wethrinRight, well, in that case, what's a supported PCI firewire card?
23:08.09Georgedunno
23:08.12Georgemy onboard stuff works
23:09.29George0000:00:07.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394 Host Controller (rev 80) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
23:09.33George<PROTECTED>
23:09.35George<PROTECTED>
23:09.37George<PROTECTED>
23:09.40George<PROTECTED>
23:09.43George<PROTECTED>
23:13.43wethrinI don't have onboard
23:14.29Georgehaha
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