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00:00.01GeorgeI need to dissipate about 90W of heat from the hard disks alone
00:00.15Georgeerm, none of my disks have failed since christmas
00:00.24wethrinFreezer spray
00:00.24wethrinOr water cooling
00:00.36Georgeand that was in my old case where the cooling wasn't adequate
00:00.38Georgefreezer spray?
00:00.40wethrinI now can't remember which disks are still original and which aren't
00:00.45wethrinI think I've replaced 3
00:00.49wethrinYeah. Freezer spray
00:00.54Georgewtf is that?
00:01.08wethrinExactly what it sounds like
00:01.19Georgeand what is its relevance?
00:01.30wethrinBasically compressed gas under high pressure that expands and cools its point of contact
00:01.35wethrinCooling!
00:01.40Georgeok
00:01.48Georgeand how the fuck is that economical for computers?
00:02.12wethrinI don't remember you being worried abou economics
00:02.19George...
00:02.55GeorgeI wouldn't be able to fit water cooling blocks onto my hdds
00:02.58Georgethere isn't any physical space
00:03.30wethrinGet a bigger case
00:03.34Georgeno
00:03.38Georgemy case is already huge
00:03.43Georgeit's a 30kg beast
00:04.02wethrinMake it from aluminium
00:04.04Georgebesides, find me a case capable of holding 12 hard disks with space for water cooling blocks?
00:05.47wethrinMake one yourself
00:05.53George...no.
00:05.59wethrinDon't you have any metalworking workshops at your school
00:06.10Georgeyes
00:06.23wethrinGet them to make you something
00:06.35Georgeno
00:06.39wethrinBah
00:07.09GeorgeI estimate there's about 2mm gap between my disks
00:07.11rhowephew
00:07.14rhoweLots of washing up
00:07.19rhoweCan tell I've been cooking
00:07.35wethrinheh
00:07.41wethrinwas it good food?
00:08.29rhowechips beans and sausages
00:08.41rhoweSo yes, gourmet
00:09.00Georgewethrin: however, at the moment the way the disks are arranged is in 3 bays, where a bay is a 4x3.5"->3x5.25" adaptor
00:09.33Georgewethrin: there's probably a lot of wasted vertical space between the bays... I could create a custom bay which takes up 9 slots, and allows room for a water cooling block between each hdd
00:09.46wethrinYup
00:09.55wethrinrhowe: Lovely. Can tell you're a northerner :)
00:10.17Georgewethrin: http://www.gwright.org.uk/images/pictures/Desktop/pict0801.jpg
00:10.22Georgewethrin: you can see the wasted space quite clearly in that
00:11.20wethrinhm
00:14.02GeorgeI really ought to stop pushing air cooling to the limit
00:16.24wethrinyes. you should
00:17.02Georgeok
00:17.06Georgebuy me a water cooling unit
00:17.12wethrinNo
00:17.16wethrinI can't afford it
00:18.08wethrinI sleep now. Night
00:18.16Georgeliar
00:18.19Georgeyou can afford it
00:18.28wethrinCan't
00:18.37Georgewhy not?
00:18.43wethrinLack of money
00:18.50Georgewhy?
00:19.02wethrinI've spent it all, okay? :)
00:19.58wethrinSpent on computers and travelling and food. And accommodation
00:20.25Georgeyou have two degrees don't you?
00:20.29wethrinYes
00:20.33GeorgeGET A JOB
00:20.36wethrinNo
00:20.37wethrinJobs suck
00:20.42Georgetrue
00:20.50GeorgeI want to do what you're doing when I'm older :(
00:20.50wethrinUni is better
00:20.56wethrinWhat? Organic electronics?
00:20.58Georgeno
00:21.01Georgestaying at uni
00:21.03Georgeforever.
00:21.03wethrinAhh
00:21.11wethrinHeh. It's probably a safer place for you
00:21.15Georgehuh?
00:21.18wethrinWell, and for everyone else, too
00:21.23George?
00:21.30wethrinHaving you unleashed on the world at large would be too scary to contemplate
00:22.00Georgewhy am I scary?
00:22.13wethrinYou just....are
00:22.25Georgein what way?
00:22.39wethrinNothing specific. Just you in general
00:23.22wethrinAnyway. I sleep now. Night!
00:23.33Georgeerm
00:23.35GeorgeI'm not scary
00:23.36Georgemeanie.
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06:53.39mozratMorning
06:53.43morsingmorning
06:53.50morsingmorning jonmasters!
07:02.44morsingmozrat: Coming tonight?
07:03.05mozratmorsing: I'm not sure at the moment
07:03.39mozratI'm about to throw a lot of my wages at British Airways this morning :)
07:03.52morsingGoing to Scotland?
07:04.32mozratBit further.... U.A.E.
07:04.40morsingU.A.E.?
07:04.55morsingMy stats quote for the day: "Does anuone know where I can get some AIX posters?" :-)
07:05.43mozratUnited Arab Emirates
07:05.53morsingAhh... Holiday?>
07:06.13mozratmorsing: I'm going there for work but I'm taking family with me a few days early
07:06.25mozratso I get my ticket and the hotel paid for
07:07.32morsingNice :-)
07:08.33mozratyeah - but it is the worst time of year to go
07:08.38mozratway too hot
07:08.48morsingMmm... hot
07:10.25mozratMmm... way too hot
07:11.49mozrat43 today in Dubai
07:11.53mozratthats quite hot
07:12.09mozratalthough not as hot as neighbouring countries
07:12.22morsingBring lots of beer then
07:12.34mozrat:)
07:14.32mozratIt's a semi-dry country for alcohol
07:14.45mozratyou can't rampage around on a drunken bender
07:15.00mozratbut there are clubs for tourists and ex-pats
07:15.18morsingmozrat: you should go to Denmark instead :-)
07:15.44mozratmorsing: been there once, loved it
07:39.58mozratmorsing: where are ppl meeting tonight then?
07:40.09morsingmozrat: Don't know
07:40.14morsingibot wake wethrin
07:40.14ibotwethrin: GOOD MORNING!!!
07:41.16morsingmozrat: Have you bought your EuroMillions ticket yet?
07:42.14mozratmorsing: nope
07:42.23morsingAnd why not?
07:42.30morsing£77000000!
07:42.35morsingcome on!
07:43.41mozratwould I win?
07:43.45gregjand if you get yours, it will be even more :D
08:23.01murblemozrat: you get the prise in green notes if you win euromillions? and is it tax free?
08:24.40mozratmurble: I have no idea... I'll let you know (if/when) I win
09:09.50morsingibot wake wethrin
09:09.50ibotwethrin: GOOD MORNING!!!
09:10.40gregjis there /dev/urandom on fbsd ?
09:23.58eye69Morning
09:55.48morsingHi eye69
09:56.53morsingAnyone here know True64?
10:07.48wethrinmorsing: What?
10:10.06morsingwethrin: Anyone here know True64?
10:10.16morsingwethrin: When did you get out of bed?
10:10.29morsingwethrin: Where are we meeting tonight?
10:13.52wethrinmorsing: Just got out of bed now
10:14.06wethrinI don't know. No-one's recommended a pub. Are you going to be coming tonight?
10:17.04rhowehehe http://josheinstein.com/journal/archive/2005/07/26/958.aspx
10:18.33murbleif i don't have the funds send me email instead, don't fail to make it and charge me money.
10:19.33wethrinmurble: But how would banks squeeze you by the balls otherwise?
10:19.53wethrinWoohoo! Edgware Road has reopened for District Line services
10:30.32morsingwethrin: If you're going then I'm coming
10:30.40rhoweeye69: videk do them, I think
10:31.59eye69rhowe: In Sweden, that is.
10:32.17rhoweOh right - ask a Swede :)
10:32.25eye69:)
10:32.31morsingeye69: The airport has them
10:33.34morsingYou have mail in /usr/spool/mail/root
10:36.34wethrinmorsing: Excellent
10:37.49morsingAnyone know TWiki?
10:39.49wethrinrhowe: Is it the Bloomsbury that's the rather nice pub on the New Oxford St./Shaftesbury Avenue junction?
10:40.30morsingPress Enter AFTER making all desired changes.
10:41.07wethrinYes
10:41.17wethrinmorsing: I'll be at the Bloomsbury
10:41.37morsingGood. Do you know TWiki well?
10:41.41rhowewethrin: Yes
10:41.49morsingrhowe: You coming?
10:41.52wethrinI don't know about Wikis
10:42.05rhowemorsing: Hm.. I can be there until about 6pm..
10:42.10rhowewhich would be about the time dan arrives
10:42.13rhoweSo probably not
10:42.18rhoweI'll be with Melody anyway
10:42.26wethrinrhowe: Northern Line is working, isn't it?
10:42.28morsingMmm... Melody
10:42.39rhowewethrin: No worse than usual, anyhow
10:42.40morsingIs that the girl Robin has on his screensaver?
10:42.48rhowemorsing: Robin?
10:42.56morsingMy good colleague
10:43.00wethrinOh dear. I have a bad feeling that I may need to get a new phone. My 6310 is having issues with charging up :-/
10:43.32rhowemorsing: Hm.. I doubt it
10:43.39rhowemorsing: Who does he have on his screen?
10:44.17morsingrhowe: You posted a photo taken in a mirror a few weeks ago
10:44.21wethrinWhat's the London weather like ATM?
10:44.27morsingwethrin: nice
10:44.32wethrinGood
10:44.38wethrinWarm? Cold?
10:46.34wethrinRight. I've sent mail to Social
10:46.39wethrinmorsing: Are you able to read the list?
10:47.09morsingwethrin: No
10:47.39wethrinOh
10:47.48wethrinOkay. I'll be at the Bloomsbury from about 1750 or so
10:48.09wethrinIt's New Oxford Street / Shaftesbury Avenue junction
10:48.16wethrinWC2H 8EG is postcode
10:49.21morsingIs the east of TCR?
10:49.30morsings/the/that
10:49.38wethrinErr....yes, I think
10:49.53wethrinYeah
10:50.04morsingand south of Oxford street
10:50.06morsing?
10:50.21wethrinNo
10:50.31morsingMmm... North
10:50.35wethrinNo
10:50.37wethrinEast
10:50.49wethrinGive me about half an hour for my web browser to work properly
10:50.53morsingNorth of NEW Oxford street ten
10:51.01morsingIE?
10:51.06wethrinSafari
10:51.10wethrinWith lots of tabs open
10:51.12wethrinMEMORY LEAK CENTRAL
10:51.35wethrinIt's east of Oxford Street
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10:51.59morsingEh?
10:52.06wethrinTCR tube is the junction of Oxford Street (heading west), New Oxford Street (heading east), TCR (heading north) and Charing Cross Road (heading south)
10:53.36wethrinSo you'd be wanting the exit from TCR that's marked New Oxford Street (preferably South Side)
11:07.26rhoweI don't know how to explain it any better. He still doesn't get it
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11:40.28rhowe(The Anchor, for birthday drinks)
11:40.38rhoweSee you lot on Monday or later
11:41.38wethrinLeeds! murble! rhowe!
11:41.45wethrinHappy thingy, then, rhowe!
12:26.06morsingHi Leeds. How was the flight?
12:30.50wethrinmorsing: See you around 6 tonight!
12:38.10morsingwethrin: See you
12:38.18morsingNoone here knows TWiki?
12:38.23morsingAnyone here wrote it?
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12:44.33GeorgeI've been paid! :D
12:47.41morsingGeorge: By...?
12:47.56Georgemorsing: Linux Format
13:20.18Georgemozrat: ping
13:43.53morsingHow do I find the file belonging to an inode?
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14:05.55Georgemorsing: a combination of ls -l and grep?
14:12.17morsingls -Ri | grep "487 "
14:20.04mozratGeorge: pongy-pong-pong
14:20.21Georgemozrat: what laptops are there again? :)
14:20.32mozratibot lart George
14:20.51Georgehahaha
14:23.55mozratT series or X series?
14:24.07GeorgeX
14:24.12mozratThinkPad X40 2371 - Pentium M 738 1.4 GHz LV - RAM 512 MB - HD 40 GB - Mdm - LAN EN, Fast EN, Gigabit EN, 802.11b, 802.11g - Win XP Pro - 12.1" TFT XGA (1024 x 768)
14:24.30Georgeis that the only X series laptop there is?
14:24.36mozratThinkPad X41 2525 - Pentium M 758 1.5 GHz LV - RAM 512 MB - HD 40 GB - Mdm - LAN EN, Fast EN, Gigabit EN, 802.11b, 802.11g - Centrino - Win XP Pro - 12.1" TFT XGA (1024 x 768)
14:25.09mozratif you have a specific model I can ask if you like
14:25.13Georgenah
14:25.18Georgethe top one is how much? :)
14:25.27Georgeis that the same one as I saw last time?
14:25.27mozratWhich one would you say is worth more?
14:25.33Georgethe bottom
14:25.43mozratthey are both the same price
14:25.49Georgereally?
14:25.49mozrat801.40 + VAT
14:26.00mozratyeah - hence the madness of our ordering agreement
14:26.22George...it's gone up in price then?
14:26.23mozratwe can order a 1U DL360 server for about £20 less than a 2U DL380
14:26.30mozrathas it?
14:26.31Georgeit used to be 908 GBP incl VAT & P&P
14:26.41Georgeyes
14:26.48mozratand how do make that up in price?
14:26.55George?
14:27.07GeorgeI do do maths...
14:27.40GeorgeI did 801.40*1.175
14:27.47Georgesplurts out 940
14:27.55mozratahh, didn't read the "incl"
14:28.00mozratibot lart mozrat
14:28.11mozratWell I dunno
14:28.18Georgeodd :)
14:28.27mozratI'm saying it how I sees it from the site
14:28.39Georgelart your employer
14:28.41George:)
14:29.04mozratI do constantly (in my mind)
14:29.08George:D
14:29.12Georgeoh well
14:29.18Georgethe extra is about 2 hours more work
14:29.24Georgeso not exactly essential
14:30.08Georgebah.
14:30.23Georgeare you coming to LWCE in October?
14:30.57mozratI have a trip abroad for work in October, let me check which week it is
14:31.14Georgelwce is the 5th/6th
14:31.28GeorgeI am b00th 0rg4n1sor
14:31.34mozratI'm a "maybe" for that :(
14:31.44mozratunless my trip changes I'm abroad that week
14:31.49Georgeerk
14:32.02George~lart mozrat's employer
14:32.13mozratwhich means no expos for me in 2005 if thats how it is :(
14:32.20George:(
14:35.29Georgehah
14:40.14GeorgeI HAVE NO ONE TO PLAY WITH
14:40.57Georgepaedophile.
14:41.04Georgeoh wait
14:41.07GeorgeI'm above the legal age
14:41.09Georgestill
14:41.11Georgepaedophile.
14:41.12morsingGood!
14:41.14morsingEh?
14:41.20morsingWhat are we talking about?>
14:41.25GeorgeI have no idea.
14:41.33Georgebut I don't like the connutations of you "playing" with me
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15:35.33Georgeflooble
15:40.17Leedsmorsing: the flight was rather nice, given that I was late for the airport, had to queue for ages - then got upgraded, settled into my comfy seat, had veg soup followed by tuna steak for dinner, slept, got woken up for a massage, slept, got woken up for breakfast of corn flakes and crumpets :-)
15:40.48GeorgeI'm hungry.
15:40.57LeedsI'm not
15:56.14morsingMmm... crumpets
15:57.19morsingwethrin?
16:23.43Leedswahay, 200 bogomips :-)
16:27.25Georgeheh
16:27.30Georgewhat machine is this?
16:27.39Georgebogomips        : 4308.99
16:34.00Leedsmy router
16:37.21gregjbogomips        : 3948.54
16:37.23gregjmy laptop
16:39.28Leedsbogomips        : 3162.11
16:39.33Leedsmy laptop
16:40.00Georgeheh
16:40.03Georgethat was my athlon64
16:40.11Georgebogomips        : 831.58
16:40.13Georgethat's my laptop :)
16:42.00George?
16:42.05Georgeit's a computer
16:42.10Georgeyou can't talk to them :P
16:43.12Leedstrue...
16:43.15LeedsI'm going offline for a bit
16:43.53gregjminimacs sux
16:43.56gregjthey are slow
16:46.42highburyextremely quiet though
16:48.13zacharyGeorge, you can talk to them. You might look a little funny, but I'd be more worried if he had an entire conversation.
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16:48.53Leedsmac mini is now talking to me :-)
16:50.32GeorgeLeeds: your nickname is sooo out of date
16:50.37Georgeyou should change it to HongKong
16:52.30Leedsuh, no
16:52.54Georgewhy?
16:54.44Leedsbecause how long do you think it is since I lived in Leeds, full-time?
16:58.04Georgedunno
16:58.12Georgea long time ago?
16:59.39Leeds11 years, give or take a few weeks
16:59.46Georgeok
16:59.54Georgethis only enforces my point...
17:02.11Leedsmy point is that it's not supposed to be a reference to where I live
17:02.40Georgewhat is it a reference to then?
17:03.38Leedswell, where I'm from for a start
17:04.36Georgeheh
17:16.53LeedsGeorge: fancy doing me a quick favour?
17:16.59Georgemaybe
17:17.02Georgewhat does it involve?
17:17.17Leedstrying to call me on a couple of UK numbers
17:17.31Georgewhy?
17:17.36Leedsto see what happens
17:17.41Georgeerm
17:17.50Georgethat requires me to get out of my bed...
17:17.55Leedsone should go straight to answerphone, the other should make my computer ring
17:18.08Georgeyour computer?
17:18.15murbleVoIP?
17:18.23Georgepootah.
17:18.24Leedsmurble: an attempt thereof, yes
17:18.38murbleLeeds: I've got asterisk working with sipgate for 020 7 purposes..
17:19.04murblemy config also in theory worked last time i tested it with kphone.
17:19.04Leedsmurble: no asterisk here, just linphone, but yes, it's sipgate on 020 7
17:20.26Leedsum... isn't it afternoon/evening in the UK?
17:20.44George18:20
17:21.03Leedsthen why are you in bed?
17:21.47murble18:20
17:21.47GeorgeI'm a lazy shit
17:22.12murbleLeeds: well if you let me know the number i'llg ive you a call, but it'll be sipgate - sipgate
17:22.37Leedsmurble: 02070994780
17:22.47Leedsit's my end I'm worried about...
17:23.06murbleringing
17:34.13murbleit works!
17:34.13Leedsthat works rather well - thanks murble
17:34.53murbleand i forgot to check if asterisk was trascoding or if it was ulaw ulaw.
17:35.13Leedsnow if someone fancied calling my mobile and checking that the (attempted) redirect-all-to-voicemail was working... that would be fab
17:37.42murbleLeeds: to sipgate voice mail?
17:39.16Leedsmurble: no, because that would mean I got charged for people leaving a message... although thinking about it, it might be a really good way to do things
17:41.28Leedshmm... miniMac as headless alarm clock...
17:48.02Leedshmm... interesting usb-storage performance
17:48.51Leedsjust doing cat file-on-nfs-exported-usb-drive > /dev/null - and load on the server is up to over 8
17:56.24gregjtoo many interupts ?
17:58.26Leedscould be
17:59.37Leedsit appears to cause about 300 interrupts and context switches per second
17:59.46gregjusb is working over some scsi interface, it's rather bold structure it has to go througth
18:00.20Leedsbold?
18:00.40gregjthick ?
18:00.41gregjnot think
18:00.43gregjthin
18:00.44gregj:>
18:00.54gregjsorry, it's very veyr hot up here
18:00.55Leedsthick would be better
18:01.00gregjok
18:01.03Leeds19 degrees in here... ah, aircon :-)
18:01.12gregjble, I don't ahve aircon at home
18:01.19murbleprobably about 25 here, and raining.
18:01.23gregjbut if it's matter of 100-200 quid, I'll get one
18:01.29murblebut atleast i met the 2000 shopping deadline.
18:01.33gregjit is going to be stormy over weekend
18:01.44murblegregj: the storms have already hit here.
18:01.48Leedsmurble: 2000 shopping deadline?
18:01.50gregjis Monday is off in UK ?
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18:02.00Leedsgoing to be stormy here tomorrow too, I think
18:02.00murblejust get humidity instead.
18:02.03Leedsmorning clyphox!
18:02.12clyphoxMoin ;)
18:02.26clyphoxboat party tomorrow :)
18:02.38murbleLeeds: shops close at 20:00 for the sake of the workers, so they have to eat out instead.
18:02.54murbleoh and they don't open on sunday either.
18:03.13murblewell there are shops that open, but they charge extra, and pretend to sell petrol.
18:03.15Leedsmurble: ah, that 2000 - I thought you meant the year :-)
18:44.27Leedsokay, I should stop playing with bluetooth - which seems to be working remarkably well so far - and get some sleep
19:13.29Georgewurble
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23:31.58Leedszzzz....
23:34.47Georgelol
23:37.30Leedsmy body has no idea where it is and what the local time is, I think
23:38.32Georgehahaha
23:38.49Leedsand I need to go to the shops to get food, since there's very little in
23:38.58Georgewhat time is it there?
23:40.01Leeds7:40am - not the worst of times to be awake :-)
23:40.13Georgeheh
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23:41.18Leedsuh, hello?  what happened there? ;-)
23:41.40Georgedunno
23:41.43Georgeyou parted and rejoined
23:42.46Leedsyeah, I think I managed to change desktop without changing keyboard focus, so I closed an xchat tab rather than a firefox one
23:42.57Georgeerk
23:43.01Georgethat's.. incredible :)
23:43.03GeorgeGNOME/
23:43.03George?
23:43.07Leedsnever!
23:43.10Leedsafterstep...
23:43.18Georgelol
23:43.20Georgeget KDE
23:43.22Georgeit doesn't do that :P
23:43.32LeedsI'm one of the 5 remaining users of afterstep
23:43.37Georgereally?
23:43.49Leedsbeen using it for maybe 8-9 years
23:44.28Georgenut :P
23:44.46GeorgeI've been using KDE for 8-9 years :)
23:44.52Georgeer.
23:44.57Georgeok, my timescale is totally wrong
23:45.03George6-7 years
23:45.58Leedsfood!
23:46.23Georgeno fair
23:46.25GeorgeI want food
23:46.25George:(
23:47.02Leedsso go get some
23:47.19George...it's 00:42
23:48.28Leedsso?
23:48.39Leedsno 24 hour places anywhere near you?
23:48.39Georgeoh hush :P
23:48.44GeorgeI don't know
23:48.46Leedsyou're in Mill Hill?
23:48.50GeorgeI don't venture beyond the front door
23:48.51Georgeerm, yes
23:49.32Leedsthen there's certainly Budgens in Hendon, 24/7 - I think the BP down the main road is open 24/7, but you need to ask them to fetch you things past midnight...
23:49.52Leedsdon't think there are any 24/7 places in/on Mill Hill Broadway...
23:50.42LeedsI'm just assuming that the local shops here will be open this early :-)

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