| 00:27.43 | George | Cope: when you're around ping me.. |
| 00:38.53 | Cope | i am |
| 00:39.20 | Cope | George: beep beep |
| 00:49.48 | Cope | George: ok - I'm off to bed now |
| 00:49.54 | Cope | talk tomorrow |
| 01:19.46 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@202.82.163.139) |
| 01:20.43 | George | hey Leeeeeeeeeeeeeds |
| 01:20.52 | Leeds | morning |
| 01:21.12 | George | I acquired Cope's SS5's today |
| 01:21.18 | George | to learn about Solaris |
| 01:21.24 | George | are you pleased with me? :D |
| 01:22.31 | Leeds | not immensely |
| 01:22.38 | George | bah |
| 01:22.39 | George | why? |
| 01:22.56 | George | you're the one who keeps calling me a kde/gentoo weenie and calling on me to use a real UNIX. |
| 01:23.14 | George | :( |
| 01:23.22 | Leeds | when did I tell you to use a real unix and mean you should go to a dead-end system like Solaris? |
| 01:23.39 | George | when you worked at Sun. |
| 01:24.03 | Leeds | right, well |
| 01:24.09 | George | :) |
| 01:24.43 | George | Leeds: what would you suggest then? HP-UX? AIX? |
| 01:25.37 | Leeds | slackware... freebsd... |
| 01:25.50 | George | that's not got any GNU stuff in it. |
| 01:26.00 | Leeds | both have |
| 01:26.09 | George | yes yes yes |
| 01:26.19 | George | I meant which UNIX would you suggest that doesn't have GNU stuff in it. |
| 01:27.09 | Leeds | oh... why would you avoid GNU stuff? it's certainly miles better than SVRn stuff |
| 01:27.30 | George | wellllllll, I've used GNU stuff half my life |
| 01:27.41 | George | I feel it's time for me to learn OTHER stuff |
| 01:27.48 | Leeds | os/400 |
| 01:27.49 | George | because, you know, I'll probably encounter it sooner or later. |
| 01:27.56 | George | OS/400? |
| 01:27.57 | Leeds | honestly, unless you |
| 01:28.20 | Leeds | unless you're planning to spend a lot of time on Windows, you'll find most other things have significant amounts of GNU stuff in them nowadays |
| 01:28.24 | Leeds | as/400 os |
| 01:29.15 | George | solaris doesn't use GNU does it? |
| 01:29.58 | Leeds | not by default, but it's there and if you want a useful system you'll use it |
| 01:30.36 | George | do you hate solaris now because sun sacked you? |
| 01:30.44 | George | or is there a valid reason? :) |
| 01:31.24 | Leeds | I don't hate Solaris |
| 01:31.39 | George | you just think it's a dead end system? :) |
| 01:32.16 | Leeds | yup - more because of what I know of the internals of Sun rather than the internals of Solaris |
| 01:32.26 | George | hrmm |
| 01:32.29 | George | what's opensolaris like? |
| 01:32.32 | Leeds | oh, and because I have little to no faith that opensolaris will produce anything useful |
| 01:32.41 | George | heh |
| 01:32.45 | George | what did you work on at Sun? |
| 01:33.32 | Leeds | 3 years or so on providing the GNU alternatives to the built-in stuff and extras which should be there but weren't |
| 01:33.37 | Leeds | almost 2 years on Janus |
| 01:33.49 | George | Janus? |
| 01:34.10 | Leeds | ibot janus |
| 01:34.10 | ibot | god of the doorway. Has two faces to see both ways. Guards entrance to the land of two faces (#goats) |
| 01:36.23 | George | that's not much help |
| 01:36.57 | Leeds | http://www.sun.com/2004-0803/feature/ |
| 01:37.44 | George | Leeds: oh |
| 01:37.54 | George | Leeds: interesting |
| 01:38.23 | Leeds | it is now a dead project/technology |
| 01:38.33 | George | why? |
| 01:40.50 | Leeds | long long long story |
| 01:41.04 | George | is it just me, or have most of the major old UNIX competitors basically died out? |
| 01:42.12 | Leeds | Sun are the only ones still interesting/interested in UNIX, really |
| 01:42.17 | Leeds | IBM aren't |
| 01:42.20 | Leeds | HP aren't |
| 01:42.23 | Leeds | SGI aren't |
| 01:42.30 | Leeds | DEC obviously no longer exist |
| 01:42.34 | Leeds | SCO exist but don't matter |
| 01:43.05 | George | :) |
| 01:43.52 | George | oh, and Apple |
| 01:44.17 | Leeds | true |
| 01:44.27 | George | but I detest mac os x |
| 01:44.38 | Leeds | although there is serious debate as to whether they should actually be considered a UNIX (or unix) vendor |
| 01:44.44 | George | yeah |
| 01:47.50 | George | I wonder what Plan 9's like |
| 01:48.23 | Leeds | weird, I think |
| 01:49.53 | Leeds | for reference, Dr. Berny Goodheart (in the sun.com article) sat next to me for a long time, and was part of the same layoff |
| 01:50.05 | George | :( |
| 01:50.23 | Leeds | and I presented Janus to reporters at the press event which went alongside that article |
| 01:50.45 | Leeds | LinuxWorld last summer |
| 01:55.18 | George | why did Sun axe it? |
| 01:57.47 | Leeds | a combination of one engineer in the US not liking it... something (apparently) better coming along... maybe it wasn't good enough or delivered quickly enough... |
| 01:58.09 | Leeds | and frankly, the fact that the whole team was under threat of being laid off may have had something to do with it |
| 01:58.21 | Leeds | I'm not 100% sure it's dead... say 90% |
| 02:54.02 | Leeds | ibot change 1120 hkd to gbp |
| 02:54.24 | Leeds | ibot change 1120 hkd to usd |
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| 06:27.01 | *** join/#gllug morsing (n=morsing@linux.kristne-gym.dk) |
| 06:28.08 | morsing | ping wethrin |
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| 06:42.40 | morsing | 'morning magnus! |
| 06:44.30 | Leeds | morning morsing! |
| 06:44.56 | morsing | morning Leeds |
| 06:45.05 | morsing | Mmm... IBM x330 |
| 06:45.20 | morsing | The memory I bought for it is the wrong type |
| 06:45.32 | morsing | and I bought it from RL so I can't return it! |
| 06:45.42 | morsing | It only takes registered memory |
| 06:45.56 | morsing | Where do I get cheapish registered memory from? |
| 06:46.11 | morsing | Does anyone want to buy some PC133 memory? |
| 06:48.03 | Leeds | generally, registered memory isn't that cheap, I think... and PCfoo memory is getting old enough that it's getting more expensive |
| 06:48.46 | morsing | Loads of servers still use registered PCfoo memory because it's 12654x more stable than DDR type memory |
| 06:49.05 | morsing | But it *is* expensive. I know that. Bummer! |
| 06:50.36 | morsing | http://www.hardware.com/product.asp?id=236853-B21 |
| 06:51.45 | morsing | Who's looking after the Gllug website? |
| 06:51.58 | Leeds | that's a good question |
| 06:52.04 | Leeds | the wiki, at least, is dead right now |
| 06:52.19 | morsing | It says next meeting is 7th of June |
| 06:52.29 | Leeds | are you saying that |
| 06:52.33 | Leeds | that's not true |
| 06:52.39 | morsing | Mmm... |
| 06:54.12 | Leeds | it's quite possible the next meeting will be mid-week about 10 months from now |
| 06:54.20 | morsing | Ok... |
| 06:54.24 | morsing | Sounds great |
| 06:54.33 | morsing | Willl you be back by then? |
| 06:55.05 | Leeds | probably not |
| 06:55.20 | morsing | Are you never coming back :-( |
| 06:55.48 | Leeds | dunno |
| 06:55.55 | morsing | *sniff* |
| 06:56.07 | Leeds | not planning to be here for ever, not necessarily heading back to London afterwards |
| 06:59.06 | morsing | Breakfast time! |
| 07:16.56 | Leeds | http://theonion.com/travel/travel_europeanmen.html |
| 07:25.29 | Leeds | just to confuse my personal timezone, I'm listening to a live breakfast show from the UK |
| 07:32.33 | Jango | where are you nowadays? |
| 07:32.56 | Jango | hk again? |
| 07:34.49 | Leeds | hk still :-) |
| 07:35.05 | Jango | ah ok |
| 07:35.07 | Leeds | oh, I was in the UK for a couple of weeks, and Spain for a couple of days, last month |
| 07:35.15 | Jango | yeah, that was probably what i was thinking of |
| 07:47.42 | morsing | If you run apt-get upgrade do you need to reboot? |
| 07:51.34 | Leeds | I would imagine it depends on what you upgrade... |
| 07:51.49 | morsing | How do I know what I upgrade? |
| 07:52.21 | Leeds | no idea |
| 07:54.08 | morsing | Are you a big fan of Debian? |
| 07:55.17 | Leeds | not at all |
| 07:56.13 | morsing | If you had to choose a Linux server distribution, which would it be? |
| 07:56.57 | Leeds | probably slackware, maybe freebsd which I'm quite enjoying right now |
| 07:57.09 | Leeds | and of course I'm aware that it's not Linux :-) |
| 07:59.51 | morsing | Hmm... Slackware. I don't want to go there |
| 07:59.54 | Erwin | Ubuntu is a nice, more sleek and modern version of Debian. |
| 08:00.22 | Leeds | Erwin: that is true |
| 08:00.50 | Erwin | It also has an space-man behind it. How many other distros have astronauts leading it? |
| 08:01.31 | Leeds | lots of space cadets, very few spacemen |
| 08:02.19 | Leeds | by the way, did you know that Mark Shuttleworth lives in London? I would imagine a concerted - but subtle and polite - attempt to get him to come to GLLUG (donate some cash?) would have some chance of success |
| 08:05.50 | Leeds | now I have in interesting experiment going... Shipping a CD from Amazon UK to Hong Kong using airmail costs about 75p more than shipping it to the UK, because there's no VAT... I need to see how long it takes to get delivered |
| 08:06.20 | Erwin | I saw his presentation in Sweden last year, it was lots of fun. |
| 08:06.47 | Leeds | I've never seen him, but I'd like to... not too much chance of him speaking in Sri Lanka or Hong Kong |
| 08:11.17 | Leeds | probably more likely in Sri Lanka, to be honest :-) |
| 08:11.34 | eye69 | morsing: No, you don't need to reboot. |
| 08:13.00 | Erwin | well, the postinstall scripts in debian at least are smart enough to restart the affected services |
| 08:19.16 | Erwin | Have you stalked Arthur Clarke yet? |
| 08:19.46 | Leeds | nope |
| 08:20.54 | Leeds | hmm... the gllug wiki is more active than the linux.lk wiki :-0 |
| 09:19.21 | wethrin | pong morsing |
| 09:21.36 | morsing | wethrin! I've had a brief email conversation with exometric |
| 09:21.48 | wethrin | oh yes? |
| 09:21.53 | morsing | They have a Bacula backup system that you can use! |
| 09:21.59 | wethrin | oooh |
| 09:22.06 | wethrin | to back what up? |
| 09:22.13 | morsing | Your data? |
| 09:22.19 | wethrin | mmmm data |
| 09:22.33 | morsing | I still can't figure out how to use the service processor on a x330 though |
| 09:22.43 | morsing | It's £3/GB/mth |
| 09:22.48 | wethrin | ah |
| 09:23.05 | morsing | Have you put your server in yet? |
| 09:23.13 | wethrin | yup - using it now |
| 09:23.40 | morsing | I asume you've been to the datacenter then. What does it look like? |
| 09:23.56 | wethrin | lots and lots of cages |
| 09:24.26 | morsing | I don't understand how to get access |
| 09:24.36 | morsing | Asked him about it but didn't understand the answer |
| 09:24.51 | wethrin | you ask him to take you in |
| 09:25.55 | morsing | So if I wake up at 2am wanting to see my server that's possible? |
| 09:26.52 | eye69 | morsing: Get a gf |
| 09:26.52 | wethrin | Not really - you need to give him some notice |
| 09:28.08 | morsing | eye69: FOAD! |
| 09:28.25 | eye69 | Whoa. Behave... :) |
| 09:28.37 | morsing | Hmm... What kind of location is it? Warehouse? |
| 09:28.43 | wethrin | Telehouse |
| 09:29.03 | morsing | So £29/mth? |
| 09:29.07 | wethrin | +VAT |
| 09:29.20 | morsing | Damn! |
| 09:29.24 | morsing | Cheater |
| 09:29.56 | morsing | Do you have an on/off switch? |
| 09:30.01 | wethrin | Yup |
| 09:30.12 | wethrin | And serial console. Although getty seems to be a bit fucked ATM |
| 09:30.39 | morsing | An you can use the service processor on your Netra? |
| 09:31.02 | wethrin | It doesn't have one |
| 09:31.07 | wethrin | It has LOM, which I can use |
| 09:31.34 | morsing | Good. The x330 has a LOM which I can't use :-( |
| 09:32.03 | wethrin | Most odd - if I kill getty, it'll produce the banner and login prompt on the serial console, but then it won't accept any input |
| 09:32.51 | morsing | wethrin: Need to lower DC! |
| 09:32.58 | morsing | CD, sorry |
| 09:33.29 | wethrin | It was working a few days ago. Ah well. I'll see if I can make up a serial cable for it |
| 09:34.41 | Erwin | Is there some decent London internet cafe that provides printing & international faxing? |
| 09:35.00 | morsing | DO NOT use EasyInternet! |
| 09:35.41 | Erwin | I know, I've been in there but they have nothing, NOTHING. |
| 09:38.04 | wethrin | How odd. Safari has better CSS support than Firefox (which is a more recent version) |
| 09:38.56 | gregj | yes |
| 09:39.12 | gregj | konqueror and safari passes css 2.1 tests, firefox doesn't |
| 09:39.12 | gregj | :P |
| 09:39.43 | gregj | s/passes/pass/ |
| 09:40.16 | wethrin | Ahha. That'd be why the Seagate site looks arse-ugly in Firefox |
| 09:41.00 | eye69 | How the heck do you spell "acquaintance" (or something)...the synonym for "somebody you know"? |
| 09:41.12 | eye69 | Nevermind. |
| 09:41.22 | eye69 | I actually spelled it correctly. |
| 09:41.34 | gregj | wethrin: and probably works ok in IE :P |
| 09:41.50 | gregj | eye69: I always use aspell + google for that |
| 09:41.57 | gregj | eye69: google is usualy so much better |
| 09:42.15 | eye69 | gregj: I normally use 'dict'. |
| 09:42.36 | wethrin | gregj: I don't have IE here :) |
| 09:42.42 | wethrin | (well, I do, but IE5) |
| 09:43.12 | gregj | I have IE6 on me linux |
| 09:43.15 | gregj | gimme URL |
| 09:43.35 | wethrin | support.seagate.com/warranty |
| 09:44.04 | gregj | looks ok in konqy |
| 09:44.08 | wethrin | Gah. Damned Seagate and their browser detection |
| 09:44.10 | gregj | now IE |
| 09:44.13 | wethrin | Yeah - look fine in Safari |
| 09:44.18 | gregj | :P |
| 09:44.24 | gregj | firefox is slow and sux, face it |
| 09:45.01 | wethrin | Well, yes. But I'm not going to be using IE |
| 09:45.05 | gregj | sure |
| 09:45.12 | wethrin | Actually, it looks like I'll have to. Hateful Seagate webmonkeys |
| 09:45.16 | gregj | oh, you have that old crap IE on mac |
| 09:45.17 | wethrin | I'll do it from the department |
| 09:45.27 | wethrin | I have IEmumble |
| 09:45.41 | gregj | I have no vaguest idea why do they still are shipping it along with mac os x |
| 09:45.47 | wethrin | gregj: They aren't any more |
| 09:45.55 | wethrin | Mine's still left over from 10.1 |
| 09:46.01 | wethrin | I think 10.2 or 10.3 dropped it |
| 09:46.04 | gregj | I have 10.3 and it's there |
| 09:46.11 | eye69 | wethrin: Of course they will. |
| 09:46.58 | wethrin | gregj: Hm. Oh. Well, use Safari |
| 09:47.26 | Leeds | yes, IE7 will have tabs |
| 09:47.49 | gregj | it has |
| 09:47.51 | eye69 | Leeds: But will they market it as some new innovation? |
| 09:47.56 | gregj | but menu is below the tab |
| 09:48.00 | gregj | looks like crap |
| 09:48.03 | Leeds | eye69: of course |
| 09:48.07 | gregj | my mother has IE7 on her computer |
| 09:48.14 | Leeds | apparently there is an msn add-on for ie6 which has tabs too |
| 09:48.50 | gregj | http://www.kde.org.pl/fuckup6.jpg wethrin |
| 09:49.23 | z00dax | add-on for IE6 with tabs = firefox |
| 09:49.38 | gregj | ie7 has it native |
| 09:50.27 | wethrin | Nah - there's another browser that uses IE6 rendering and has tabs |
| 09:50.37 | gregj | netscape |
| 09:50.40 | gregj | :-) |
| 09:50.47 | z00dax | sad but true :) |
| 09:50.49 | gregj | eight or some |
| 09:51.17 | gregj | which reminds me that I have to turn on my amarok to get outta this silence |
| 09:52.56 | wethrin | gregj: What's the fuckup? |
| 09:53.09 | gregj | wethrin: screenshot |
| 09:53.10 | eye69 | My amarok is already filling up my earphones with noise |
| 09:53.30 | wethrin | Mm |
| 09:53.33 | gregj | wethrin: I name all screenshots like that, ksnapshot is giving them serial names like that, so don't look on name |
| 09:53.38 | wethrin | Ahh right :) |
| 09:53.49 | wethrin | Hm. I should head into department |
| 09:53.52 | gregj | cos usualy it means that I am posting some "fuck up" |
| 09:53.59 | gregj | ups |
| 09:54.04 | gregj | wethrin: right |
| 10:08.42 | Erwin | my god, what do I have to do to make lloyds give me a bank account? |
| 10:09.10 | Leeds | Erwin: have lived in the UK all your life is a good start |
| 10:09.48 | Erwin | I'm giving THEM *my* money! They should be happy to take it! |
| 10:10.00 | Leeds | but you're foreign and therefore a terrorist |
| 10:10.33 | Leeds | I fonud it pretty easy to open a current account and foreign currency savings account here :-) |
| 10:10.40 | gregj | Erwin: provisional driving licence for start, worked in past |
| 10:11.33 | eye69 | I had to provide passport, employment contract, rent contract...they also sent my signature to my Swedish bank so my mother had to come down to the bank to verify it :) |
| 10:12.05 | gregj | wow |
| 10:12.36 | eye69 | My swedish bank didn't have a copy of my signature since Sweidhs banks aren't ancient. |
| 10:12.56 | Leeds | I had to show my passport... but given that they have a 'national' ID card around here which everyone has to have - and they're in the process of making them smartcards - that's not unexpected |
| 10:13.15 | gregj | I had to make appointment, it was June, and they told me to come on May 5th |
| 10:13.20 | eye69 | Having to show the passport is fully acceptable IMO. |
| 10:13.22 | gregj | wankers |
| 10:13.44 | Leeds | I did it on the spot and had an ATM card and cheque book in my hands in less than a week |
| 10:14.34 | eye69 | Leeds: Do they use social security numbers that are used for more than paying taxes too? |
| 10:15.03 | Erwin | Well, the guy said that I can bring my tenancy agreement. Which I don't have yet because it's been sent to Jersey for the landlord to countersign. |
| 10:15.09 | Leeds | eye69: I know they have ID numbers (I am not a number, etc.) but I don't know exactly what they're used for |
| 10:15.14 | Erwin | Passport wasn't enough. What bank accepted just a passport? |
| 10:15.40 | Leeds | my local account is registered on my UK address, but with my office address in HK as the 'correspondance address' so they send all my mail here |
| 10:15.40 | eye69 | Leeds: Ok. What do you think of ID numbers/national ID cards in general? |
| 10:17.33 | eye69 | For instance, in Sweden we use the ID number (YYmmdd-xxxx) for lots of things...governmental and non-governmental |
| 10:18.14 | Leeds | eye69: I have no problem with the idea of having a government supplied ID (number, card and digital)... I do have a problem when - as is the case here - the police can demand it on the street for very little reason |
| 10:19.06 | Erwin | eye69: Yep, it's very handy. With such a thing here, opening the account would be much less troble |
| 10:19.24 | Leeds | of course, then it becomes a target for forgery, theft, etc. |
| 10:19.30 | eye69 | Leeds: That's the case here too, although I have it with me all the time anyway, since (driver's license == ID card). |
| 10:20.17 | Erwin | I'm not sure what you could do if you had stolen my Danish identity card (which I had to turn in when leaving) |
| 10:20.19 | Leeds | I carry my license here, since people expect you to have photoID on you at all times... but it's probably not good enough for legal ID |
| 10:20.30 | eye69 | People without a driver's license can request either an ID card or use their passport, if they have one. |
| 10:20.48 | Leeds | apparently you're very very very unlikely to be asked for ID by the police if you're white... |
| 10:20.57 | eye69 | Same here. |
| 10:21.50 | rhowe | Leeds: I'm going to Sweden |
| 10:22.14 | Leeds | remember that white=minority here :-) |
| 10:23.00 | eye69 | I've never heard of anybody that has been asked to show ID without there being some real disturbance. |
| 10:25.28 | morsing | rhowe: Why and where? |
| 10:25.32 | rhowe | Leeds: I was never asked for ID in HK or in China |
| 10:25.52 | Leeds | rhowe: and... you're white, yes? :-) |
| 10:25.53 | wethrin | rhowe! |
| 10:25.57 | rhowe | Leeds: Except when I got asked for my passport going through airport security and crossing into China |
| 10:26.00 | rhowe | Leeds: Mostly |
| 10:26.44 | rhowe | morsing: Linköping |
| 10:26.44 | morsing | Leeds: No - ginger |
| 10:27.17 | Leeds | morsing: true |
| 10:29.23 | rhowe | morsing: Going to see a Singaporean friend there |
| 10:29.34 | rhowe | morsing: And her boyfriend too, I guess |
| 10:32.21 | gregj | Leeds: do you know by any chance if staroffice is avaliable as native 64bit for amd64 ? |
| 10:32.25 | gregj | linux/solaris |
| 10:32.32 | Leeds | ibot change 18517 hkd to gbp |
| 10:32.49 | Leeds | gregj: doubt it... there may be an unofficial build of 1.9 somewhere, I guess |
| 10:32.54 | gregj | what kinda toy costs that |
| 10:33.20 | Leeds | gregj: upper class return Hong Kong to Sydney in the spring :-) |
| 10:33.24 | gregj | :] |
| 10:33.37 | gregj | you're going through sydney |
| 10:33.42 | rhowe | gregj: IIRC OpenOffice doesn't build on 64bit platforms yet or something |
| 10:33.43 | gregj | that's not quite on the line |
| 10:33.56 | gregj | rhowe: yes, but my question was aboust staroffice |
| 10:34.03 | Leeds | gregj: got a wedding there next year |
| 10:34.12 | Leeds | ah, no idea on staroffice |
| 10:34.17 | gregj | rhowe: since sun is selling amd 64bit workstations with solaris, I would expect them to have fix for it |
| 10:34.40 | Leeds | ibot change 9617 hkd to gbp |
| 10:34.45 | gregj | Leeds: you're merring (no idea how to spell it) |
| 10:35.27 | Leeds | gregj: merring? |
| 10:35.31 | Leeds | marrying? |
| 10:35.32 | morsing | merring? |
| 10:35.42 | gregj | :> |
| 10:35.57 | gregj | oh, so I can put i after y |
| 10:36.07 | gregj | I thought I have to "eat it " |
| 10:36.16 | morsing | <wethrin> They're not using them anyway |
| 10:36.47 | rhowe | hmmm |
| 10:36.48 | rhowe | StarOffice -Official Site |
| 10:36.48 | rhowe | Leading alternative to Windows. |
| 10:36.48 | rhowe | Download direct from Sun today! |
| 10:36.49 | rhowe | www.sun.com |
| 10:36.55 | rhowe | That's from an ad on Google |
| 10:39.42 | Erwin | gah. can you usually eject your card if you forget your pincode in an atm and type in the wrong one? |
| 10:39.46 | wethrin | morsing: ? |
| 10:41.01 | morsing | What? |
| 10:41.09 | wethrin | 11:36 <morsing> <wethrin> They're not using them anyway |
| 10:41.20 | morsing | Mmm... cut 'n paste |
| 10:41.24 | wethrin | ahh |
| 10:41.25 | morsing | Brilliant invention |
| 10:41.32 | morsing | <wethrin> Urghl |
| 10:41.44 | gregj | Leeds: I thought maybe you're merrying some Australian chick |
| 10:41.44 | gregj | ;) |
| 10:41.48 | Leeds | marrying |
| 10:41.50 | wethrin | hehe |
| 10:42.01 | morsing | Leeds is always merry |
| 10:42.10 | Leeds | and no - it's a cousin of mine, and it's going to be a hard event, because she's marrying a non-Jewish boy her parents don't like |
| 10:42.35 | wethrin | oops |
| 10:42.58 | gregj | damn |
| 10:43.12 | gregj | such an easy word, and I have always problems spelling it |
| 10:43.20 | gregj | someone must have put spell on me :> |
| 10:52.46 | Leeds | anyone know a simple existing web service to read mail on a remote imap server? |
| 10:53.12 | wethrin | I did, but I've forgotten it now |
| 10:54.31 | Leeds | time in the UK now is? |
| 10:54.42 | wethrin | 1154 |
| 10:54.47 | Leeds | right |
| 10:58.55 | Leeds | should anyone remember such a service in the next half hour or so, let me know when I get back online, please??? |
| 10:59.36 | rhowe | woo |
| 10:59.40 | rhowe | my bend-it trivet arrived |
| 10:59.44 | rhowe | Well, Jia's |
| 11:02.42 | wethrin | www.mailstart.com |
| 11:04.30 | new2unix | look its Wethrin. |
| 11:06.59 | wethrin | It's new! |
| 11:38.40 | wethrin | morsing: www.lbedford.org/Pictures/DSC_3612.jpg |
| 11:41.04 | new2unix | wethrin: why was i doctored out of that image? |
| 11:41.26 | new2unix | Oh that's right. i wasnt invited. boohoo :( |
| 11:46.28 | gregj | wethrin: where was that |
| 11:46.31 | gregj | nice place |
| 11:46.34 | gregj | I want to go there too :D |
| 11:50.16 | wethrin | gregj: Ben Lawers |
| 11:50.21 | wethrin | monday walk at the LBW |
| 11:50.25 | wethrin | new2unix: Of course you were! |
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| 11:53.35 | wethrin | Leeds: www.mailstart.com |
| 11:55.49 | Leeds | wethrin: seems to be a pop3 thing... pop3 is bad and wrong |
| 11:56.16 | wethrin | Piffle |
| 11:57.56 | morsing | Does anyone want to buy some memory (please)? |
| 11:59.24 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 11:59.40 | wethrin | what memory? |
| 11:59.46 | wethrin | morsing: Look at picture |
| 12:00.10 | morsing | Picture? |
| 12:00.26 | morsing | 2x512MB PC133 non-ECC non-registered |
| 12:00.30 | morsing | Matrix |
| 12:00.42 | wethrin | morsing: www.lbedford.org/Pictures/DSC_3612.jpg |
| 12:00.53 | morsing | YEs |
| 12:00.55 | morsing | Thanks |
| 12:00.58 | wethrin | np |
| 12:00.59 | morsing | Memory? |
| 12:01.11 | wethrin | Standard DIMMs? Or SO-DIMM? |
| 12:01.17 | morsing | SD 168 |
| 12:01.44 | wethrin | blah. Don't really need it, then |
| 12:02.10 | morsing | Damn |
| 12:02.19 | morsing | I need to sell it. It's only a day old! |
| 12:02.53 | eye69 | morsing: Send it here. |
| 12:03.25 | morsing | eye69 |
| 12:03.25 | morsing | : |
| 12:03.36 | morsing | eye69: Send £70 here |
| 12:03.49 | eye69 | But I don't want to. |
| 12:05.51 | Leeds | morsing: where/how did you get it? |
| 12:06.17 | morsing | RL/gave them money |
| 12:06.36 | morsing | It's the wrong type for my server |
| 12:06.50 | Leeds | over-the-counter? |
| 12:06.54 | morsing | Yes |
| 12:07.01 | wethrin | Ask them to swap it? |
| 12:07.14 | morsing | wethrin: They have a very strict no-return policy |
| 12:07.23 | morsing | That's why they're so cheap |
| 12:07.51 | morsing | and they don't sell the correct type |
| 12:08.45 | wethrin | morsing: I don't think they're allowed to do that |
| 12:08.57 | morsing | wethrin: Of course they are. Why not?! |
| 12:09.46 | wethrin | Some legal responsibilities? |
| 12:09.55 | Leeds | wethrin: they have to deal with damaged stuff - otherwise it's caveat emptor, AFAIK |
| 12:09.56 | morsing | Can't imagine that |
| 12:10.04 | morsing | It's not damaged |
| 12:10.15 | Leeds | the reason I asked if it was over-the-counter was then distance selling stuff doesn't come into play |
| 12:10.23 | wethrin | Dear McAfee, DON'T ASK TO REBOOT OUT OF THE BLUE |
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| 13:36.17 | zachary | ello |
| 13:41.35 | morsing | zach! Need more memory? |
| 13:42.43 | zachary | Who doesn't? Oh yea, the rich. |
| 13:44.24 | morsing | zach: 1GB for £70. That's $450 |
| 13:46.03 | zachary | I'm sorry, I read your post wrong. At a glance I read it as "money". Which makes my post sound a bit weird. |
| 13:47.44 | zachary | Actually I don't really need anymore memory. I have 1 GB in my tower, 1 GB in my laptop. 64MB on my firewall and 96 on my webserver. Plus a few sticks in the closet. |
| 13:48.20 | zachary | what type of mem? |
| 13:49.31 | morsing | 2x512MB PC133 non-ECC non-registered |
| 13:56.21 | zachary | 70gbp is about 130usd. New 512MB DIMMs are running from 75 - 85usd each. |
| 13:56.56 | morsing | zach: So do you want it? |
| 13:59.23 | zachary | I can't afford them now. I'm still trying to get reimbursed from Dep. Veterans Affairs. And I'm looking at buying a house in a few months. I would if I had the extra dosh. |
| 14:00.04 | morsing | Mmm... dosh |
| 14:01.01 | zachary | If you still have them by the new year, try me again. |
| 14:11.00 | gregj | http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/2004-12.html#d.2004-12-03.0813 |
| 14:11.12 | gregj | I love unicode lang |
| 14:11.12 | gregj | ;P |
| 14:26.20 | zachary | greg, you need a girlfriend, prostitute, something. Not just lubricant, you need a real woman! |
| 15:49.52 | Leeds | zachary: you're an animal doctor? |
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| 18:43.18 | gregj | z00dax: :p |
| 18:43.28 | gregj | Leeds: grrrhm |
| 18:43.49 | z00dax | hi gregj |
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| 19:18.43 | George | for those of you who are subscribed to my blog's rss feed, it's changed to http://blog.gwright.org.uk/rss.php now |
| 20:58.22 | George | mozrat!!!! |
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| 21:50.14 | George | Leeds: ping |
| 22:09.09 | rhowe | woo - /dev/vinum/home 2.0G 2.0K 1.8G 0% /home |
| 22:11.29 | George | why the "woo"? |
| 22:12.04 | rhowe | Took me long enough to get vinum set up |
| 22:18.43 | wethrin | vinum is easy to set up |
| 22:20.54 | George | what's vinum? |
| 22:28.38 | wethrin | google :) |
| 22:29.45 | George | it's like LVM? |
| 22:30.08 | George | or rather, it's like LVM and Linux Software RAID? |
| 22:30.41 | wethrin | vinum is a volume mangler |
| 22:30.53 | wethrin | Linux software RAID is not LVM |
| 22:31.07 | wethrin | Likewise, FreeBSD has some multiple disk driver that's not vinum |
| 22:37.43 | rhowe | wethrin: vinum was easy. Learning about disklabel was a bit alien |
| 22:38.37 | wethrin | ahh. Yes. But once you get used to it, it's not too bad |
| 22:39.31 | rhowe | Now I just need my cheque for my SCA disks to go through, and I'll have a mirrored RAID of a pair of 9.1G drives in my Alpha :) |
| 22:39.41 | rhowe | With hotswap :) |
| 22:40.32 | wethrin | mmm. lovely |
| 22:41.00 | rhowe | Or should I say, one of my Alphas :) |
| 22:41.22 | rhowe | I'm a bit worried about the floor though.. those things aren't very light |
| 22:41.32 | rhowe | And the bed is very heavy |
| 22:41.42 | rhowe | Plus me, it's a lot of weight for the middle of the room :P |
| 22:43.36 | wethrin | heh |
| 22:43.48 | wethrin | You're getting all of Cope's kit? |
| 22:44.39 | rhowe | Not all, just two 500AU |
| 22:44.41 | rhowe | 's |
| 22:44.52 | rhowe | Don't have space for all of it |
| 22:44.53 | wethrin | ahh |
| 22:44.54 | wethrin | :) |
| 22:45.16 | rhowe | hm, reminds me. Borrow more cat5 patch cables and power leads from work tomorrow |
| 22:45.21 | wethrin | mmm |
| 22:45.44 | rhowe | My network's getting back in shape, although it still lacks that somewhat useful of tools... a desktop |
| 22:46.11 | rhowe | At the moment my mail server is acting as console (although atm, I'm sat downstairs on a WinXP machine) |
| 22:49.30 | wethrin | heh |
| 22:50.40 | George | yoyo wethrin |
| 22:50.55 | wethrin | hi George |
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| 23:34.50 | Leeds | George: pong |
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