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03:59.56 | George | hey Leeds |
04:00.14 | Leeds | morning George |
04:00.40 | George | how's life in .hk? |
04:01.05 | Leeds | wet |
04:01.09 | George | heh |
04:01.18 | Leeds | starting to get a bit cooler as the summer ends |
04:01.20 | George | A level results published in about 4 hours. |
04:01.44 | Leeds | oh yeah... you've got another year to go, no? |
04:01.49 | George | yes |
04:01.53 | George | but I get my AS results today |
04:01.57 | Leeds | ah |
04:02.00 | Leeds | confident? |
04:02.03 | George | dunno |
04:02.05 | Leeds | not sleeping? :-) |
04:02.08 | George | not really :P |
04:02.12 | George | but I never do that anyway :) |
04:03.05 | Leeds | true |
04:03.48 | George | I'm expecting anywhere between AAAAABB and AAAAAAA, and maybe a C thrown in somewhere if I'm really unlucky |
04:04.14 | Leeds | that's modules, I assume, not subjects |
04:04.23 | Leeds | unless things have *really* changed since my day |
04:04.27 | George | no, it's subjects. |
04:04.34 | George | I did a silly number of subjects |
04:05.02 | Leeds | 7 a-levels? or are you not continuing all of them? |
04:05.21 | George | I'm carrying on with 5 |
04:05.25 | George | 7 AS levels |
04:05.30 | George | 5 A levels |
04:05.32 | Leeds | which 5? |
04:05.42 | George | triple maths, physics and chemistry |
04:06.06 | Leeds | what's triple maths? I only did two |
04:06.28 | George | maths, further maths, stats |
04:06.38 | George | 18 modules of numeric goodness :P |
04:06.49 | Leeds | oh, separate stats |
04:06.57 | George | yeah |
04:07.05 | Leeds | no general studies, or doesn't that count? :-) |
04:07.26 | George | I did Critical Thinking |
04:07.29 | George | (AS) |
04:07.36 | George | our school doesn't do general studies |
04:08.03 | Leeds | I enjoyed it |
04:08.21 | Leeds | did a couple of courses on MIDI/electronic music, one on medical ethics... |
04:10.21 | Leeds | and I got an A in it :-) |
04:11.08 | George | lol |
04:11.14 | George | did it count towards your university thingy? |
04:11.31 | Leeds | don't think so |
04:11.39 | Leeds | I was my only A - I got ABBCC overall |
04:12.27 | George | what were the other subjects? maths, f.maths, phys? |
04:17.14 | Leeds | economics |
04:17.40 | George | ah |
04:17.43 | George | silly subjects :) |
04:18.05 | Leeds | I really enjoyed economics |
04:18.29 | Leeds | probably my most fun subject at A-level - except the general studies ones |
04:20.23 | Leeds | bastard EU online VAT crap |
04:21.39 | Leeds | bastards making US shops charge VAT when they sell stuff - electronic stuff, not physical - to 'EU citizens' |
04:22.47 | Leeds | I am not currently subject to UK VAT, but because I want to pay with a UK credit card, the government wants its 17.5% |
04:30.32 | George | hrmm |
04:31.52 | George | ibot: test |
04:31.52 | ibot | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
04:31.55 | George | hrmm |
04:32.30 | Leeds | fuckers |
04:32.43 | George | Leeds: what are you trying to buy? |
04:32.51 | Leeds | George: magazine subscription |
04:33.08 | George | Leeds: ever considered buying a nuclear bomb? :) |
04:33.36 | Leeds | come to think of it, I |
04:33.50 | Leeds | I'm not sure that magazines even *have* VAT on them in the UK |
04:33.57 | Leeds | pretty sure books don't |
04:33.57 | George | hrmm |
04:34.02 | George | that's true. |
04:36.31 | Leeds | double or even triple fuckers |
04:36.41 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
04:36.41 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
04:36.41 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
04:36.41 | George | ? |
04:36.53 | Leeds | imports of less than 18 quid don't attract VAT |
04:37.08 | Leeds | that doesn't apply to digital services, apparently |
04:37.19 | Leeds | In fact, the VAT exemption for small packages is giving rise to an increasing amount of market distortion with the increase in distance sales that has been facilitated by the Internet, and it is currently under review. |
04:37.25 | Leeds | "" on the last line |
04:37.47 | Leeds | ibot change 22 eur to gbp |
04:38.16 | Leeds | interesting... I'm pretty sure it's 18 quid in the UK, but they say 22 Euro |
04:39.35 | George | it is 18 quid |
04:39.40 | George | or 36 quid if it's a gift |
04:39.48 | Leeds | I seriously do think this whole thing is very wrong - to require a US company to handle EU taxes (different for each country!) because a customer is in the EU is out of order |
04:39.59 | George | yes |
04:40.00 | George | true. |
04:40.05 | Leeds | if every country in the world made every vendor handle all the tax issues it would destroy international trade |
04:40.15 | George | I didn't pay tax to Symantec when I bought an electronic download version of Norton AV |
04:40.30 | Leeds | just because they can't collect the tax on an email like they can on a parcel |
04:40.40 | Leeds | you probably should have done |
04:40.54 | George | well, I was never prompted to |
04:40.56 | George | I just.. bought it |
04:40.58 | George | and that was that |
04:41.19 | George | I'm surprised the govt haven't attempted to shut down eBay yet :) |
04:41.33 | Leeds | http://europa.eu.int/comm/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/e-services/article_1610_en.htm and https://secure.hmce.gov.uk/ecom/voes in case you care |
04:41.54 | Leeds | most of the stuff on ebay is physical and is sent by post/courier and therefore goes through regular customs check |
04:42.06 | George | Leeds: not stuff within the UK |
04:42.39 | Leeds | if you're a small trader you can ignore VAT - it's only once you get up to some significant 5-figure turnover you need to care |
04:42.57 | George | ah |
04:42.59 | Leeds | I wonder if ebay US charge you VAT if you're in the UK but want to list an item with them |
04:43.29 | Leeds | one of the nice things here... no VAT |
04:43.50 | George | heh |
04:43.59 | George | I don't like the UK |
04:44.03 | George | US prices are much more reasonable :D |
04:44.06 | Leeds | as opposed to the US, where you only pay VAT (sales tax) if you're buying something within a state - and lots of *retail* places put the prices without tax on the shelves |
04:44.17 | Leeds | so you go buy something for $10 and they actually ring up $10.80 |
04:44.34 | George | it's a 8% VAT? |
04:44.38 | George | fine by me. |
04:44.44 | Leeds | it depends on the state! which is even stranger |
04:44.47 | George | heh |
04:44.48 | George | yeah |
04:45.09 | George | I never quite understood all that "we are a united nation but our laws differ from section to section" bollocks |
04:45.36 | George | one thing that really drives me up the wall about americans is how they go on and on and on about god |
04:45.44 | George | one nation united under god bollocks :) |
04:45.52 | Leeds | oh, and cities also charge different taxes, which is even stranger |
04:45.54 | George | or "god bless america" |
04:46.29 | Leeds | imagine that London and Birmingham had different tax rates - and you paid different tax to ship something from Cardiff to London than if you just bought it in Cardiff |
04:46.44 | Leeds | they have a really messed-up attitude towards religion |
04:47.18 | George | really messed-up is an understatement |
04:47.35 | Leeds | rates go from 0% in some places to about 9.5% elsewhere, apparently |
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04:48.32 | Leeds | according to the customs fuckers, downloadable software and electronic auctions are two things explicitly listed on their "things you should charge our tax on" page |
04:49.13 | George | oh well :) |
04:49.21 | George | I'd like to see them enforce that |
04:50.35 | Leeds | in theory, I suppose they could attempt to fine a vendor through their national courts, or ban them from doing business in the EU |
04:51.07 | Leeds | the whole problem is that if I'm, say, in Hong Kong, and you're say, in the UK, and I sell you something - where has the transaction taken place? Under whose laws? |
04:51.46 | George | internation law! :D |
04:52.58 | Leeds | but 'international law' will just say 'the laws of country X define this transaction' |
04:53.38 | Leeds | I don't know if you ever read T&Cs or contracts - but they almost always say they are enacted under the laws of a particular jurisdiction |
04:53.59 | Leeds | honestly, I think that private commerce like this isn't really much business of the government at all |
04:54.03 | George | yes, yes |
04:57.03 | George | I think it's time for sleep |
04:57.05 | George | 6am |
04:58.35 | Leeds | is it worth it? |
04:58.45 | Leeds | lunch time here in a minute or two :-) |
04:58.50 | George | yes |
04:58.53 | George | because I get up at 1300 |
05:00.08 | Leeds | uh, why? |
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05:41.26 | gregj | rhowe_: ! |
05:47.47 | Leeds | gregj: ! |
05:50.07 | gregj | how do you do |
05:53.09 | Leeds | very well, thank you. And you? |
05:53.23 | Leeds | since you ask so formally :-) |
05:53.38 | Leeds | actually, not doing amazingly well... knackered, done no work this week... |
05:54.27 | gregj | poor |
05:54.33 | gregj | I just woke up an hour ago |
05:54.48 | gregj | it's 8 in the morning, my phone woke me up whining up for energy |
05:55.06 | gregj | even thou it was connected to usb port that it is charged via |
05:55.29 | gregj | i wonder, is there any way I can tell usb controler to turn on power on even thou there is no device on it ? |
06:01.07 | Leeds | in my experience I don't need to tell the controller to do that |
06:01.29 | Leeds | the alternative would be a powered hub - just use it as a multiple charger |
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06:35.47 | Leeds | for pure surrealism, you can't beat going up against the Israeli army armed with watermelons: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3129473,00.html |
06:46.48 | Leeds | a comment in a Python utility library source file: "This file is the ultmate proof that hackers are lazy." |
06:58.21 | gregj | :] |
07:19.28 | eye69 | Morning |
07:22.44 | Leeds | for some reason, my desk is regularly visited by inquisitive ants |
07:23.01 | Leeds | eye69: morning |
07:23.10 | eye69 | How annoying. |
07:24.54 | Leeds | not hugely - it's only one at a time... if it were more, I'd be annoyed |
07:25.05 | Leeds | I do kill them sometimes |
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07:36.31 | morsing | 'morning |
07:37.09 | Leeds | morsing: yay! with? |
08:19.29 | morsing | UKFSN |
08:19.41 | morsing | He switched the line supplier for me |
08:19.47 | morsing | Now I have 1Mb/s |
08:22.36 | morsing | Yay! |
08:26.04 | Leeds | ah, good news! |
08:26.16 | Leeds | but who is Hugh? ;-) |
08:27.40 | morsing | s/hugh/hugs/ |
08:28.07 | morsing | ~seen jason_ukfsn |
08:28.08 | ibot | jason_ukfsn <n=jason@spc2-watf3-5-0-cust146.asfd.broadband.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 20h 35s ago, saying: 'spec morsing ?'. |
08:28.10 | Leeds | ah, I helped? |
08:28.12 | morsing | ~seen ibot |
08:28.12 | ibot | ibot <~von@byu176783wks.rn.byu.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 315d 7h 52m 44s ago, saying: '800 inches is approximately 2400 barleycorns'. |
08:28.22 | morsing | Leeds: No - I'm just happy |
08:28.31 | Leeds | ibot you last saw yourself almost a year ago? |
08:28.42 | Leeds | someone give that bot a mirror |
08:28.45 | Leeds | morsing: :-) |
08:28.51 | morsing | Why did jason_ukfsn say spec morsing? |
08:29.00 | Leeds | memory... |
08:29.11 | morsing | Ahh... Was he interested? |
08:29.43 | Leeds | potentially, I guess |
08:30.57 | Leeds | my log shows he didn't say anything else about it other than asking for the spec - which you completely ignored |
08:31.09 | morsing | I didn't see it |
08:34.06 | Leeds | ibot change 630 hkd to gbp |
08:40.34 | morsing | Mmm... server hosting! |
08:40.40 | Leeds | which, incidentally, seems to be the cheapest easy price around here for the box I've got openwrt on |
09:11.42 | z00dax | hey guys |
09:11.50 | z00dax | $TZ Greetings |
09:12.24 | Leeds | shalom |
09:18.07 | Erwin | So, 4-1 in Denmark vs England, eh |
09:19.47 | morsing | Crap |
09:20.59 | morsing | hhmors pts/0 18 Aug 08:46 (10.129.241.76) |
09:21.40 | Leeds | morsing: why is that crap? |
09:22.57 | morsing | Danes sucks |
09:23.07 | gregj | :> |
09:23.40 | z00dax | not all suckage is bad. |
09:23.51 | gregj | true |
09:26.30 | Leeds | hmm... my cousin has (IMHO) got the wrong end of the wiki stick |
09:27.08 | Leeds | I don't like a wiki as a place for a conversation or other communication - it's for publishing, so people can publish together, or to a group |
09:27.17 | gregj | yep |
09:27.27 | gregj | phpbb is good for comunication |
09:27.41 | Leeds | *email* or *IM/IRC* is good for communication |
09:27.41 | gregj | or forums in general |
09:27.52 | gregj | *im* too, kopete for instance :-) |
09:28.03 | Leeds | he is leaving me messages on the wiki, asking question, wanting an answer |
09:28.54 | gregj | some wiki services have rss feeds, you can use that for feedback |
09:29.01 | Leeds | as it happens, I've got the wiki sending me mail when the RichardCohen page changes, so it does come by mail, but still - it's not the right way to communicate |
09:29.05 | gregj | if you have loads of bandwith, which is I belive the case in HK |
09:29.12 | Leeds | it's an internal wiki anyway |
09:29.24 | Leeds | but yes, b/w is cheap and plentiful here |
09:41.00 | Leeds | hometime |
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09:57.51 | Blapto | Hi |
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10:20.16 | Blapto | Hi Leeds |
10:22.21 | wethrin | YOU ALL SMELL OF POO AND WEE |
10:22.24 | wethrin | Err, I mean, Hello! |
10:23.17 | Leeds | hi |
10:23.47 | wethrin | :) |
10:23.53 | Leeds | sometimes it's hard to be a technical genius |
10:24.09 | wethrin | :) |
10:25.21 | Leeds | George: ping |
10:26.04 | Leeds | he has AS results today... |
10:26.40 | Blapto | So do I |
10:26.58 | George | I GOT SEVEN AS |
10:27.05 | Blapto | Well done |
10:27.09 | Blapto | I don't find out until 1400 |
10:27.11 | Leeds | Blapto: ah, well good luck if you've not got them yet |
10:27.12 | George | I shaking.... |
10:27.15 | George | I'm shakkkkiiinnggg |
10:27.17 | George | blllahhh |
10:27.26 | Leeds | George: congrats... but you know they're just getting easier and easier every year... |
10:28.05 | George | hah |
10:28.09 | George | twice as easy? |
10:28.58 | Leeds | in the 12 years since I did my first year? sure :-) |
10:29.55 | wethrin | Seven AS? what grades? |
10:30.21 | Leeds | wethrin: I think he mean 7 A grades |
10:30.31 | Leeds | 7 As |
10:31.07 | wethrin | Pfff. See, they're all easy |
10:31.09 | Blapto | 7A's if you want to be really clear |
10:31.37 | Leeds | Blapto: the use of an apostrophe isn't clear for plural letters |
10:32.12 | wethrin | Leeds: I think it's generally regarded as OK |
10:32.32 | wethrin | As it is for acronyms |
10:32.45 | wethrin | Hence CD's is acceptable, if looking horrid |
10:33.18 | Blapto | Yup, I side with wethrin |
10:33.25 | Leeds | I prefer MP3s |
10:33.32 | Blapto | yeah, that's clear |
10:33.44 | Blapto | but AS and As and A's can have some degree of confusion |
10:33.44 | Leeds | plus, rather than MP3's |
10:34.03 | Leeds | Blapto: hence saying 7 A grades at AS would have been more correct |
10:34.11 | Blapto | Yeah, but lengthy |
10:34.28 | Leeds | true, and I guess his hands were shaking too much to type properly |
10:35.35 | George | Blapto: or rather, there were 6 AS As and 1 A2 A |
10:35.51 | Leeds | George: that means you'll be able to get into the Poly you want, right? :-P |
10:36.27 | Leeds | do kids nowadays even know what a Poly is??? |
10:36.34 | wethrin | Leeds: I think given that everyone gets A grades now, the Unis will be looking at personalities |
10:36.56 | Leeds | wethrin: well he's screwed then - he'll probably threaten to kill and eat the interviewer |
10:37.04 | wethrin | Leeds: a*x^3 + b*x^2 + c*x + d ? |
10:37.05 | murb | bit scary that there has been a 6% inprovement in passrate since 2000 |
10:37.09 | wethrin | Leeds: Yes |
10:37.24 | wethrin | Yes, and I can't really believe that teachers are all getting better |
10:37.35 | murb | clearly everyone was stupid a few years ago, as goverment sponsered research shows that a-leves haven't got easier or anythign oh now. |
10:37.38 | Blapto | You guys work in IT... Is uni needed? |
10:37.44 | wethrin | I don't work in IT |
10:37.52 | wethrin | murb: :-) |
10:37.54 | Blapto | some of you do. |
10:37.54 | murb | wethrin: he wasn't talking to you obviously :-) |
10:37.57 | Leeds | I work in bras |
10:38.03 | Blapto | Leeds, so do I |
10:38.13 | wethrin | Blapto: It depends. After about 5-6 years experience, it doesn't really matter |
10:38.14 | Leeds | Blapto: they're just more comfortable |
10:38.29 | wethrin | The hard part is getting the initial job |
10:38.30 | Blapto | Leeds, I know |
10:38.52 | Leeds | honestly, I think that while it depends on what you want to do, if you want to be a developer, you're going to have trouble bootstrapping a career without a degree |
10:39.25 | wethrin | Sure, but it's only the bootstrap. If you can work in development for a few years... |
10:39.25 | Leeds | not necessarily a computer-type degree, although I think that's probably more important now than, say, 10 years ago when there were a lot less computer-type grads |
10:39.45 | wethrin | Lots of computing courses seem to be 'how to use Word' nowadays |
10:40.02 | murb | wethrin: that would be a data entry degree? |
10:40.27 | wethrin | murb: Sure. Still passed off as 'computing' |
10:40.37 | Blapto | I don't want to do development |
10:41.03 | Leeds | wethrin: not even getting the job - getting the CV on the desk at all... and that's what a degree helps with |
10:41.24 | Blapto | I'm self employed at the moment, don't know if I want to keep that up the rest of my life. |
10:41.29 | murb | wethrin: but not computer science? |
10:41.52 | Leeds | Blapto: self employed and making a living? |
10:42.03 | wethrin | murb: Maybe. Depends on the Uni |
10:42.07 | Blapto | Leeds, making enough, I still live with my parents and have too much to juggle. |
10:42.08 | murb | maybe i should have opted for my degree to be called `AI' |
10:42.41 | murb | Blapto: do yoyu pay them a market rate for board and lodging? |
10:42.43 | Leeds | Blapto: if you're living with your parents - and not paying them a fair market rent, bills, tax, etc. - you're not making a living |
10:42.51 | Blapto | I have 3 large clients now, I could start living on my own with 30 clients. |
10:42.56 | Blapto | And that's living quite well |
10:43.04 | Blapto | Yeah, I'm not making a living now. |
10:43.10 | Leeds | so you're saying you make 10% of a living :-) |
10:43.15 | Blapto | Yeah |
10:43.19 | Blapto | But I only do 10% of a job. |
10:43.37 | Blapto | I get roughly £1000/year/client |
10:43.39 | Leeds | doesn't necessaily scale linearly |
10:43.44 | Blapto | so with 17 clients I could live. |
10:43.52 | Leeds | and I assume you're paying no tax at the moment |
10:44.07 | Blapto | I'm paying lower rate income tax. |
10:44.19 | Leeds | on 3k/year? |
10:44.22 | Blapto | Well, no |
10:44.31 | Blapto | One of my clients is paying significantly more than that |
10:44.38 | Blapto | sufficient to put me into an income tax bracket. |
10:44.48 | Leeds | are you only working between 1/10 and 1/5 of the time? |
10:45.04 | Leeds | s/and/to/ |
10:45.09 | Blapto | Of what time? 9-5 mon-fri? |
10:45.23 | Blapto | Or 5 working weeks/year? |
10:45.27 | Leeds | whatever part of your life you'd be willing to dedicate to working rather than living |
10:45.49 | Blapto | Probably somewhat less than that |
10:46.11 | Blapto | I've stumbled across a not bad business model that I need to spend time marketing, and then coast along on it. |
10:46.17 | Leeds | eh, whatever... what do you do? |
10:46.40 | Blapto | Backup and security stuff. |
10:46.56 | Blapto | Pop round offices, put in a linux box and set up rsync and samba, then leave. |
10:47.00 | Leeds | so you're in a competitive market |
10:47.10 | Blapto | Suprisingly, not as much as you'd think. |
10:47.15 | Leeds | and one which may not grow indefinitely |
10:47.20 | Leeds | very low barrier to entry |
10:47.43 | edward | my gweather says 'London: Mist' but there isn't |
10:47.46 | Blapto | Yes, but I provide a not terrible level of customer service. |
10:47.55 | Blapto | edward, I don't have windows in this office :( |
10:48.25 | wethrin | surely that's a good thing? :) |
10:48.42 | wethrin | Right. I'm off into the department |
10:48.50 | Blapto | You'd be suprised how often you can go to an IT bod, say hi, talk for a bit and point out gaping flaws in their backup system. I've not found a problem getting clients, just I'm not really willing to have more than 5 at the moment. |
10:50.17 | Leeds | doesn't sound like something I'd rely on as a life-long career |
10:50.30 | Blapto | No, I probably can't |
10:50.40 | eye69 | Leeds: Soldering it now. |
10:50.45 | Leeds | eye69: :-) |
10:50.51 | Blapto | Urgh, it's been hitting my recently, my career is going to last about 40 years. Minimum. |
10:51.23 | Leeds | Blapto: try 50 if you're at AS now - particularly if you're not going to be putting lots of pension money away soon |
10:52.00 | Blapto | I'm probably going to need to do a finance degree, sod IT and go straight into banking to have any chance of an earlyish retirement |
10:52.07 | Leeds | retirement ages are likely to be well up by then |
10:52.26 | z00dax | guys, I need some help here - anyone shipped machines from the US to the UK ? |
10:52.33 | Blapto | z00dax, yes. |
10:52.36 | murb | z00dax: what kind of machines? |
10:52.53 | z00dax | a rack of 1U's |
10:53.02 | z00dax | not including the rack, just 18 of these machines |
10:53.42 | z00dax | whats the most cost effecive way to get them over ? |
10:54.16 | Blapto | Not done 1Us, sent some desktops over, just took the heatsink off, packaged them up well and got a courier arranged. |
10:54.22 | Blapto | z00dax, how fast does it need to be? |
10:54.41 | Blapto | configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check Grrrrrr |
10:54.50 | Blapto | (The Grrrrrr is from me) |
10:55.12 | z00dax | Blapto: time isnt really an issue. ( a month from shipping date is okay with me ) |
10:56.04 | Blapto | Check with DHL (who own everybody else anyway) and UPS |
10:56.27 | Blapto | Royal Mail do a service as well, but I've not used it internationally |
10:57.03 | z00dax | is 30 lb's a good estimate of weight? |
10:57.08 | z00dax | per 1U |
10:57.14 | murb | Blapto: you mean deutsche post? |
10:57.41 | murb | z00dax: it depends, normally we use kg. |
10:57.53 | Blapto | DHL is deutsche, yes. |
10:58.17 | Blapto | 30lbs is about right |
10:58.23 | Blapto | 13.6kg |
10:59.36 | z00dax | yea, I checked one here, its about 12.5kg, so was using 30lbs ( UPS seem to want to know lbs ) |
11:00.19 | Blapto | £1470.40 from DHL |
11:00.46 | Blapto | for 100cmx100cmx100cm and 244kg |
11:01.43 | z00dax | I am not going to get 18 machines into 1 M/sq |
11:02.04 | z00dax | but thanks for checking. I'll make some phone calls later in the day today and see what I can dig up |
11:02.25 | Blapto | they're 19"x2"x36"? |
11:02.37 | z00dax | + box ? |
11:02.56 | Blapto | so 40"x40"x40" is actually far too big... |
11:03.29 | Blapto | 20"x40"x40" will do it. |
11:03.34 | Blapto | Actually 1.75" tall normally |
11:03.39 | z00dax | yea |
11:04.05 | Blapto | But it's no cheaper, because you're charged by weight |
11:04.36 | z00dax | I guess if they are going to be packed in tight, can discard the box's anyway, pack them in tight. stuff up the sides a bit and its good to go |
11:04.48 | Blapto | Oh, right |
11:05.08 | Blapto | I was thinking you were just going to put a big box full of servers and foam into a bigger box and ship |
11:05.19 | Blapto | But yeah, makes sense to keep them in their packaging |
11:05.24 | Blapto | no more expensive really |
11:05.51 | z00dax | they are coming out of a hosting facility, so i am not sure what condition the original packaging is going to be like anyway. |
11:06.29 | z00dax | I wonder if the TaxMan is going to want a cut as well ? |
11:06.45 | Blapto | Oh, US to UK |
11:06.52 | Leeds | the taxman always wants a cut of everything, however valid their demand |
11:07.19 | Blapto | Are you buying them? |
11:08.18 | z00dax | Blapto: no not buying, a facility in LA is upgrading their setup. they have 2 dozen of these PowerEdge 1550's, fully loaded, to get out. |
11:09.23 | Leeds | bastards |
11:09.37 | Blapto | I'll take them off your hands |
11:09.39 | Blapto | For a small fee. |
11:09.40 | Blapto | Errr. |
11:09.50 | Leeds | for reference, ibot does unit conversion :-) |
11:09.58 | Leeds | ibot convert 13.6 kg to lb |
11:10.08 | Blapto | does ibot do sums? |
11:10.14 | Blapto | ibot 13.6 times 2.2 |
11:10.14 | ibot | 29.92 |
11:10.20 | Blapto | yay. |
11:10.36 | z00dax | Blapto: they are not in-my-hands till they come across the pond |
11:10.57 | Blapto | I'll take them off their hands. |
11:11.02 | Blapto | Hell, I'll even pay shipping ;) |
11:11.26 | z00dax | the plan is to put 6 of them on ebay in the US and raise enough money to pay for shipping |
11:11.30 | Blapto | Works out about $2881 from new york to central london, picked up tomorrow. |
11:11.48 | z00dax | i guess LA -> London might add a bit |
11:12.35 | Blapto | what's the postcode for LA? |
11:13.10 | z00dax | 90021 ? |
11:14.07 | Blapto | what spec are these machines? |
11:14.44 | z00dax | dual P-3 1.3Ghz, 1 GB, 18GB |
11:15.30 | Leeds | 90210 |
11:16.19 | z00dax | is it worth it, is a though that has crossed my mind a few times...but yea, if i can get it on low cost, is worth it |
11:16.37 | z00dax | Leeds: thats the BeeHills! |
11:16.42 | Blapto | Yeah, it's probably not worth me buying one that's still in america to colo. |
11:16.56 | z00dax | Blapto: where abouts are you located ? |
11:16.56 | Leeds | z00dax: close enough to calculate costs |
11:17.24 | Blapto | I'm in London, but I have a server in Florida as well. |
11:19.06 | Blapto | I could stick one on a 10Mbps port, limited to 650GB up + 650GB down/month for about $100/month |
11:19.28 | z00dax | thats a good price.. |
11:20.00 | z00dax | who are you hosting with ? |
11:20.02 | Blapto | Yeah, but I don't actually need it |
11:20.14 | Blapto | Hostdime, they're pretty good |
11:20.45 | Blapto | They look too cheap, but I was recommended, and they've been really quite good. They'll manage the server included in that price if you want, do kernel updates and such. |
11:22.10 | z00dax | bookmarked! |
11:27.49 | Blapto | Anyone ever set up mrtg with mbmon? |
12:03.16 | z00dax | dont we all love people with a 4 line email, and a 21 line signature ? |
12:21.20 | Erwin | I hope it's not one of those signatures that says you may not distribute the information in this email to others. If so, you would be breaking the law by talking about it. |
12:21.37 | z00dax | Erwin: something such |
12:21.47 | wethrin | no, you wouldn't. Those disclaimers after messages have been known to be worthless |
12:22.18 | z00dax | they've been to court a few times, been thrown out each time ( iirc ) |
12:23.01 | George | ok, I've decided my module marks were shit. |
12:23.48 | wethrin | George: Ha |
12:23.57 | George | wethrin: dropped 208 marks out of 2100 |
12:24.16 | wethrin | I wouldn't bother about that |
12:24.29 | George | why not? |
12:25.34 | wethrin | Why would you? |
12:25.39 | wethrin | No-one actually cares about module marks |
12:26.09 | George | I think I'm the first year for entry where module marks have to be declared |
12:26.17 | George | and I got an average of about 90.10% |
12:26.36 | George | and some of my modules *cough* statistics *cough* were absolutely dire |
12:28.27 | wethrin | Bleh. The A-level system is sucking more and more |
12:32.14 | Blapto | Cambridge (or Oxford, but I think it's Cambridge) care about module marks. |
12:32.29 | Blapto | And I think I've got mrtg monitoring system temps now, yay |
12:34.28 | wethrin | Cambridge sucks anyway |
12:41.24 | Blapto | heh |
12:43.27 | gregj | yeah, buch of microsoft addicts up there |
12:43.29 | gregj | :P |
12:44.58 | wethrin | yup |
12:45.07 | Blapto | Imperial, they like linux. |
12:45.26 | gregj | kidding? |
12:45.32 | Blapto | Nope. |
12:45.37 | gregj | I guess m$ has one of it's "reserach labs" up there |
12:45.39 | Blapto | I went down there for an open day. |
12:46.01 | Blapto | All their comp science computers dual boot XP and an Imperial Uni version of mandrake. |
12:46.06 | Blapto | I think it's mandrake... |
12:47.31 | Blapto | Eeek, actual work |
12:47.31 | Blapto | bye |
12:47.53 | wethrin | heh |
12:49.02 | gregj | I still sustain my opinion thou |
12:49.11 | gregj | based on what I read on m$'s pages |
12:49.37 | wethrin | MS Research is not Microsoft, though |
12:49.46 | wethrin | Apparently they're a damn good place to work - you can pretty much do whatever you want |
12:49.52 | gregj | not ? just happends to do some work for em ;0 |
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12:50.50 | George | wethrin sucks anyway |
12:50.52 | George | :) |
12:51.13 | gregj | Leeds: tell me, how much are 2Gig SDs up there? can't get them in PL |
12:51.17 | wethrin | gregj: Well, in name they're MS, but that's it |
12:51.32 | gregj | wethrin: and everything you will come up with will be patented in their name |
12:51.36 | gregj | thankyouverymuch |
12:51.44 | wethrin | Not necessarily |
12:52.28 | gregj | maybe even you have to sign contract that denies not only participation in any GPL project, but even looking into any code on (L)GPL |
12:52.30 | Leeds | gregj: $1120 this weekend |
12:52.44 | gregj | that's HKD |
12:52.51 | gregj | not USD, I hope |
12:52.51 | gregj | ;) |
12:52.56 | wethrin | gregj: I don't think so. GHC is free software, I think |
12:53.08 | gregj | how much that would be in pounds |
12:53.10 | gregj | or PLN even |
12:53.11 | Leeds | yes |
12:53.19 | Leeds | ibot change 1120 hkd to pln |
12:53.38 | gregj | that's not that bad |
12:53.45 | gregj | 1GB is around 200 PLN |
12:53.47 | Leeds | I didn't think so |
12:54.07 | gregj | but mayb e I should wait untill they will get cheaper |
12:54.41 | George | wethrin: I think I'm the first year that has to submit module marks to all universities |
12:54.49 | wethrin | Well, then your year sucks |
12:54.49 | Leeds | it may be possible to get them cheaper shopping around more |
12:54.52 | wethrin | I blame the people in charge |
12:55.18 | Leeds | I blame Tony Blair |
12:55.34 | gregj | I blame Bush(es) |
12:55.42 | gregj | and holy fire |
12:57.40 | Leeds | anyway, the Amazon-UK-shipping-to-HK experiment went pretty well... the CD shipped on Monday morning, UK time, and arrived at some point today - I think 3 days is pretty good, since they were estimating it would arrive some time next week |
12:58.10 | George | wethrin: I blame the crappy A-level system |
12:59.42 | wethrin | Yes. That's the fault of the people in charge |
13:00.08 | George | :) |
13:00.19 | murb | George: for Leeds package arriving quckily? |
13:00.49 | wethrin | murb: Yes. They clearly didn't know what 'next week' meant |
13:01.01 | morsing | wethrin! |
13:02.46 | Erwin | Right. I'm going to the inland revenue office and will attempt to fill out form P433-X523.. |
13:03.04 | Leeds | ooh, Inland Revenue... fun |
13:03.10 | Leeds | good luck :-) |
13:03.55 | Leeds | oh, the fast shipping is also pretty good considering it cost me *less* than it would have done to get it shipped regular first class to the UK |
13:04.59 | wethrin | morsing! |
13:07.14 | gregj | Leeds: you're not in london around 5/6th of September by an chance ? |
13:07.20 | gregj | cos I'm going to stay there over night |
13:07.31 | gregj | might even stay longer, will see |
13:07.37 | Leeds | gregj: exceedingly unlikely |
13:08.21 | gregj | that probably means not very very very very veryveryveryvery likely |
13:08.22 | gregj | :] |
13:08.23 | gregj | ;) |
13:08.45 | wethrin | Damn you, greg! |
13:08.55 | wethrin | I'm there the weekend before and the weekend after |
13:09.11 | gregj | :P |
13:09.16 | gregj | I am going ot malaga this yer |
13:09.18 | gregj | year |
13:09.25 | gregj | will be in londo non 25th, but just for 4h |
13:09.27 | Leeds | been there, done that |
13:09.29 | wethrin | Foo |
13:09.34 | Leeds | malaga, that is |
13:09.43 | gregj | so I'll probably won't even leave the airport |
13:09.48 | gregj | (gatwick) |
13:10.03 | gregj | but on me way back, I am there longer :-) |
13:12.21 | Leeds | hmm... this CD (or the case papers, at least) was apparently "Printed in the" |
13:14.30 | Leeds | "They shake my nerves and they rattle my brain / These asteroids would drive a man insane / They broke the shield / We'll all be killed / Goodness... Gratious... Great Balls Of Fire!" |
13:18.30 | Leeds | more than 11 years ago, I had this on tape, and almost wore it out playing it in the car - it's Shakespeare's forgotten rock and roll masterpiece, Return To The Forbidden Planet |
13:19.26 | gregj | :-) |
13:22.59 | Leeds | this show has some of the worst Shakespeare puns I've ever heard :-) |
13:26.39 | Leeds | soft, what light through yonder airlock breaks? |
13:30.12 | Leeds | http://www.neath-porttalbot.gov.uk/wow/event_detail.cfm?param_event_id=634 |
13:45.14 | Leeds | it must be at the very least 5 years since I heard any of this - but I still remember most of the contents... |
14:07.08 | Leeds | ooh, that hasn't half put me in a good mood :-) |
14:17.42 | gregj | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5791782530 |
14:21.33 | wethrin | ah yes. We had that up at LBW |
14:25.06 | gregj | LBW ? |
14:25.44 | wethrin | Linux Bier Wanderung |
14:25.51 | gregj | :] |
14:26.00 | gregj | anyway, me is off |
14:26.09 | Leeds | Linux before wicket |
14:26.11 | z00dax | funny that... |
14:26.12 | Leeds | seeya |
14:26.13 | wethrin | bye! |
14:26.17 | z00dax | tada! |
14:30.34 | morsing | wethrin: Did you really? |
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14:31.23 | morsing | JAV! |
14:31.25 | wethrin | Yes. The page was posted on the main door to the hall |
14:31.34 | JAV | morsing! :D |
14:31.45 | JAV | good afternoon all |
14:32.16 | morsing | wethrin: So you didn't actually have the "stuff" |
14:32.30 | wethrin | no |
14:32.40 | morsing | You weren't tempted? |
14:40.00 | wethrin | Nah |
15:08.33 | morsing | wethrin: When are you back in London? |
15:09.25 | George | floooooble |
15:24.15 | rhowe_ | http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/08/17/national/a173009D00.DTL |
16:09.43 | Erwin | So the local Inland Revenue told me they just could not comprehend my tax situation. I got a booklet, and a hotline from which I can order some forms to fill and they told me -- good luck. |
16:15.08 | murb | Erwin: that is why there exist tax advisors and accountants etc. |
16:15.19 | murb | you then give them all your money and end up paying less tax :-) |
16:18.55 | mozrat | Hola |
16:27.22 | George | hey mozzy |
16:27.23 | George | :D |
16:28.47 | mozrat | hey |
16:29.19 | George | mozrat: how's you? |
16:31.08 | mozrat | Good thanks |
16:31.29 | George | yay |
16:43.25 | George | mozrat: I really am the most undecisive sod in the world.. I'm still wondering whether I should get that laptop :) |
16:54.11 | Leeds | George: get *something* - you deserve it |
16:54.38 | George | Leeds: ? |
16:54.47 | George | bah |
16:54.52 | George | deserve it. bah. |
16:54.57 | Leeds | all As? |
16:55.16 | George | heh |
16:55.23 | George | yeah, but shitty module marks :( |
16:55.29 | George | I dropped 208 marks out of 2100 |
16:55.38 | Leeds | 10% |
16:55.49 | George | yes |
16:55.58 | George | 9.9% actually :) |
16:56.22 | Leeds | see - that's what only having 2 maths a-levels gives you - a tendency to round to integers |
16:56.43 | George | hahaha |
16:56.46 | Leeds | actually, coding gives that tendency |
16:56.52 | George | :) |
17:04.52 | George | hahaha, a friend of mine got 6 As and a U |
17:04.56 | George | that's an immense grade set |
17:04.56 | George | :D |
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18:14.39 | George | Catalyst!!!!! |
18:14.59 | George | whhhhyyy???? |
18:16.17 | Catalyst | because I don't have many lives remaining :d |
18:16.22 | George | bah |
18:16.26 | George | evil. |
18:16.33 | Catalyst | you are :/ |
18:16.40 | George | :( |
19:29.03 | wethrin | Heh |
19:29.18 | George | hey wetthy |
19:29.35 | wethrin | hiho |
19:29.46 | George | wethrin: I just ordered 5x9.1GB SCA SCSI disks on eBay |
19:29.51 | George | wethrin: 31 GBP incl P&P |
19:30.08 | wethrin | that's a pretty good price |
19:30.13 | George | you think so? |
19:30.18 | George | I thought it was a bit steep |
19:31.27 | wethrin | How much is P&P? |
19:31.37 | George | 9 GBP |
19:31.50 | wethrin | So, £22 for 5 drives |
19:31.54 | wethrin | That's a good price, really |
19:32.00 | wethrin | Well, reasonable, anyway |
19:32.03 | George | yeah |
19:32.13 | George | I suppose.. 5*9.1 ~= 45 |
19:32.23 | George | and a 40GB IDE disk brand new costs about 30 GBP + P&P |
19:32.25 | George | so... blah |
19:32.31 | George | price-per-gigabyte isn't bad |
19:32.32 | wethrin | Well, yes |
19:32.37 | wethrin | SCSI is more expensive anyway |
19:32.41 | George | yes |
19:32.45 | George | but this is old and crappy scsi :P |
19:32.48 | wethrin | Eh |
19:33.08 | George | 80-pin SCA |
19:33.13 | wethrin | I know |
19:33.17 | George | Wide Ultra SCSI-3 |
19:34.10 | wethrin | Mmm. Wide things |
19:34.14 | George | heh |
20:06.10 | Catalyst | George is a genious apparently :o |
20:10.30 | wethrin | Ha |
20:11.02 | George | ROFL |
20:11.13 | George | Catalyst: been taking lying lessons? |
20:11.29 | Catalyst | why are you so harsh on me :d |
20:11.36 | Catalyst | and yourself, in fact |
20:11.46 | George | everyone knows I'm a prize idiot |
20:11.50 | George | isn't that so wethrin? :) |
20:15.56 | George | bah, trust wethrin not to be around in my time of need. |
20:15.59 | George | useless bum. |
20:18.27 | wethrin | :) |
20:18.28 | wethrin | he is |
20:19.04 | George | :D |
20:19.07 | George | thanks weh |
20:19.08 | George | er. |
20:19.09 | George | wethrin: |
20:19.11 | George | blah |
20:19.12 | wethrin | :) |
20:19.13 | George | wethrin. |
20:19.16 | George | see. I can't even type. :) |
20:19.16 | wethrin | :) |
20:19.32 | George | :P |
20:20.21 | George | well, I was up all last night stressing out |
20:20.26 | George | so I think I'll have a nap. |
20:20.28 | wethrin | For no reason? |
20:20.32 | George | ? |
20:20.42 | wethrin | stressing out |
20:20.46 | George | worried about results |
20:24.24 | George | what else...? |
20:49.10 | wethrin | Pff |
21:10.04 | edward | looked on www.waterstones.co.uk - it said the one on oxford street was open until 22:00 on thursday, but it was closed |
21:10.59 | mozrat | edward: rather annoying |
21:12.38 | edward | borders was open, but they didn't have the book |
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21:21.27 | mozrat | which book edward ? |
21:26.07 | edward | In Cold Blood by Truman Capote |
21:28.30 | mozrat | cool |
21:28.56 | mozrat | I'm reading some trash at the moment about TWA 800 - flight that was shot down^H^H^H^H^H^H blew up near new York |
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21:32.08 | edward | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800 |
21:44.03 | mozrat | yeah, read that today in fact |
21:44.35 | mozrat | the book is fiction but inspired and based on conspiracy theroy's |
21:46.33 | mozrat | catch you later |
23:04.27 | George | hrmmmmmmmmmm |
23:27.56 | wethrin | hm? |
23:35.24 | George | hi |
23:35.37 | George | I said "hrmmmmmmmmmm" when I had just woken up |
23:37.00 | wethrin | ah |
23:37.04 | wethrin | go sleep |
23:37.09 | George | nah |
23:37.13 | wethrin | pff |
23:37.13 | George | I'm playing with SS5s at the moment |
23:37.56 | wethrin | Ahh |
23:38.04 | George | or at least, attempting to |
23:56.53 | wethrin | But it's not booting? |
23:58.00 | George | I haven't tried yet |
23:58.43 | wethrin | ah |