| 00:18.38 | z00dax | George: you are playing with a machine that isnt booting ... because you have not tried.... |
| 00:18.44 | z00dax | define 'playing' |
| 00:18.55 | George | z00dax: setting up an install server in linux |
| 00:19.05 | George | z00dax: I'm not turning it on because I don't want to go deaf quite yet. |
| 00:19.34 | z00dax | heh, cool |
| 00:19.55 | George | does udev need userspace stuff to work properly? |
| 00:19.56 | z00dax | I just shove my headless boxen under the stairs |
| 00:49.54 | George | aha |
| 00:50.08 | George | that could make life a lot easier. |
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| 01:47.26 | George | Leeds: jumpstarting solaris installs from a Mac OS X machine is a pain in the arse |
| 01:49.15 | Leeds | yes, I would imagine so |
| 01:49.23 | Leeds | jumpstarting them from solaris isn't run |
| 01:49.42 | George | s/run/fun/? |
| 01:50.58 | Leeds | yes |
| 01:51.12 | Leeds | although possibly a Freudian slip |
| 01:51.35 | Leeds | twixt brain and keyboard |
| 01:53.57 | George | Leeds: why did sun have to make solaris 9 cds with more than one slice? |
| 01:54.00 | George | Leeds: slices SUCK |
| 01:54.10 | George | Leeds: how the smeg am I meant to mount the second slice in OS X? |
| 01:55.20 | Leeds | yeah, sliced CDs suck alright |
| 01:55.30 | George | how do I mount it..? |
| 01:55.47 | Leeds | on a Solaris (or maybe Linux) box |
| 01:55.57 | George | the linux box won't do it |
| 01:56.01 | George | solaris box. hah. |
| 01:56.51 | George | Leeds: what's the difference between the -install-sparc isos and -u7-sparc-v1/v2 ones? |
| 01:57.15 | Leeds | I have absolutely no idea |
| 01:57.27 | George | FUCKING SLICES |
| 01:57.32 | Leeds | I never downloaded Solaris ISO images - I almost never installed from CD |
| 01:58.44 | Leeds | don't worry - you can just use that support contract... |
| 01:58.48 | George | ... |
| 01:58.50 | Leeds | you *do* have a support contract, right? |
| 01:58.52 | George | what support contract? |
| 01:58.56 | George | oh shut up |
| 01:59.31 | Leeds | but surely all Solaris customers have a support contract? |
| 01:59.36 | George | carbon george # mount /dev/hdc2 /mnt/hydrogen/ |
| 01:59.36 | George | mount: block device /dev/hdc2 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 01:59.36 | George | mount: /dev/hdc2 is not a valid block device |
| 01:59.40 | Leeds | does the machine not have a CD drive? |
| 01:59.40 | George | /dev/hdc1 r 0 1018 325760 4 SunOS usr |
| 01:59.40 | George | /dev/hdc2 r 1018 2079 339520 2 SunOS root |
| 01:59.42 | George | GRRR |
| 01:59.47 | George | Leeds: no, it does not have a CD drive. |
| 01:59.55 | Leeds | why not? |
| 01:59.55 | George | Leeds: otherwise I would not be booting off network. |
| 02:00.02 | George | Leeds: because Cope didn't give me a machine with a CD drive. |
| 02:00.10 | Leeds | well, get a new machine |
| 02:00.13 | George | ... |
| 02:00.18 | George | you're useless, you know that? |
| 02:00.24 | Leeds | keep those bastards in business a few more seconds |
| 02:00.38 | Leeds | s/s$// |
| 02:00.53 | George | hrmmph |
| 02:00.54 | Leeds | I assume you have Solaris slice support in your kernel? |
| 02:01.14 | George | no |
| 02:01.20 | George | welll |
| 02:01.21 | George | I dunno |
| 02:01.34 | George | lemme check |
| 02:01.36 | George | does it exist? |
| 02:02.50 | George | Leeds: I have sun and solaris x86 partition table support |
| 02:04.10 | Leeds | I seem to recall having looked at this years ago, but I don't recall having found a solution |
| 02:04.25 | George | http://www.unix.com/showthread.php?t=18074 |
| 02:04.30 | George | that's the closest hint I have |
| 02:06.16 | Leeds | that seems pretty clear... parse the vtoc, break up the image |
| 02:06.36 | George | yeah |
| 02:06.38 | George | but it didn't work. |
| 02:07.02 | Leeds | what did you do wrong? |
| 02:07.04 | George | what's lofiadm? |
| 02:07.30 | Leeds | ah, good old lofi |
| 02:07.32 | George | carbon george # mount -o loop,ufstype=sun -t ufs ./sol-9-u7-sparc-v1-s1.iso /mnt/hydrogen/ |
| 02:07.35 | George | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
| 02:07.38 | George | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.40 | George | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.43 | George | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.46 | George | I did the instructions to the letter on my mac |
| 02:07.48 | Leeds | lofi is just that, -o loop |
| 02:08.04 | George | (linux's od decided to annoy me as it had no -D option) |
| 02:08.54 | George | Leeds: well... it didn't work. |
| 02:09.10 | George | carbon george # file sol-9-u7-sparc-v1-s1.iso |
| 02:09.10 | George | sol-9-u7-sparc-v1-s1.iso: Unix Fast File system (big-endian), last mounted on /tmp/MntDev.5478, last written at Tue Jun 29 21:13:05 2004, clean flag 1, number of blocks 169632, number of data blocks 159615, number of cylinder groups 9, block size 8192, fragment size 2048, minimum percentage of free blocks 10, rotational delay 0ms, disk rotational speed 120rps, TIME optimization |
| 02:09.42 | Leeds | are you on Linux or Darwin? |
| 02:09.49 | George | linux |
| 02:10.02 | Leeds | good |
| 02:11.02 | George | so? |
| 02:11.28 | Leeds | for what it's worth, you might try using losetup in place of lofiadm |
| 02:11.36 | George | losetup? |
| 02:12.37 | Leeds | yes |
| 02:12.55 | George | carbon george # losetup /dev/loop0 ./sol-9-u7-sparc-v1-s1.iso |
| 02:12.55 | George | carbon george # mount -t ufs /dev/loop0 /mnt/hydrogen/ |
| 02:12.55 | George | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
| 02:12.55 | George | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.10 | Leeds | nothing in the log, I assume |
| 02:14.23 | George | Aug 19 03:13:30 carbon kernel: ufs was compiled with read-only support, can't be mounted as read-write |
| 02:14.31 | George | AHA |
| 02:14.39 | George | it works |
| 02:14.39 | George | :D |
| 02:14.42 | George | I LOVE YOU! |
| 02:15.00 | Leeds | uh, cheers dude :-) |
| 02:15.03 | George | :P |
| 02:15.27 | George | now got to export this to NFS |
| 02:15.30 | George | so I can access it on my mac |
| 02:15.33 | George | for jumpstarting purposes |
| 02:15.34 | George | grumble |
| 02:15.38 | Leeds | dunno why I'm doing Solaris support :-) |
| 02:15.46 | George | because I deserve it? :P |
| 02:16.10 | Leeds | good god, that can't be right, can it? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1741453,00.html#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=Britain |
| 02:16.59 | George | what's the "entries" stat? |
| 02:17.52 | Leeds | number taking the exams, I think |
| 02:18.28 | George | how can more people pass than are taking the exams? |
| 02:18.49 | Leeds | one is percentage, one is absolute |
| 02:18.49 | George | oh wait |
| 02:18.51 | George | forget that |
| 02:18.53 | George | yeah, just noticed |
| 02:19.03 | Leeds | and you got 3 A's in maths courses yesterday - for fuck's sake! :-) |
| 02:19.07 | George | I'm supposed to have got 293/300 in AS statistics and I can't do that :D |
| 02:19.23 | George | heh |
| 02:19.28 | George | thanks for your confidence in me... |
| 02:19.28 | George | :P |
| 02:19.48 | Leeds | hmm... gtkpod seems to be good |
| 02:20.09 | George | I want to try linux on ipod some day |
| 02:20.11 | George | just to get more games. |
| 02:20.42 | Leeds | got a Treo for that |
| 02:20.52 | George | lol |
| 02:21.21 | Leeds | I'm starting to get into not using the iPod for actual portable use so much - say, if I go out for the day, the Treo does fine as a music player - the iPod is for using in a particular place |
| 02:21.29 | George | yes |
| 02:21.31 | George | you said :) |
| 02:23.04 | Leeds | so, mount the iPod read-only, get gtkpod to write out a playlist to the hard drive, get mplayer to play it... |
| 02:23.15 | George | that's cool |
| 02:23.41 | Leeds | except that I'm about to stop it and listen to my CD again :-0 |
| 02:23.47 | George | heh |
| 02:24.08 | Leeds | mplayer, of course, plays AAC files just fine, after they've been liberated |
| 02:24.46 | Leeds | as does the Treo, sort of |
| 02:25.52 | George | yes |
| 02:26.11 | George | i use beep + faac + faac plugin for xmms ported to beep + my own hacked tag loading algorithm |
| 02:26.15 | Leeds | sort of, because the guys working on the nice GPLed media player I use on it have been warned off distributing AAC-playing software by patent people... so now the AAC plugin is distributed by a site somewhere in South America :-) |
| 02:27.13 | Leeds | mplayer now has faad in the tarball... doesn't handle tags too well, but I don't really care - I can see what song it is from the filename |
| 02:27.49 | George | heh |
| 02:28.10 | Leeds | or, well, from listening to it :-) |
| 02:28.55 | Leeds | I could always just stop using aac, since I'm not really using my Mac... |
| 02:31.08 | Leeds | "the wills above be done, but I would fain die a terrestrial death!" |
| 02:31.19 | George | *** Warning: "export_op_default" [fs/nfsd/nfsd.ko] undefined! |
| 02:31.19 | George | *** Warning: "find_exported_dentry" [fs/nfsd/nfsd.ko] undefined! |
| 02:31.20 | George | hrmm. |
| 02:31.30 | Leeds | http://www.textually.org/textually/archives/2005/08/009586.htm |
| 02:31.43 | Leeds | that looks familiar |
| 02:32.08 | Leeds | I think you need to recompile the whole kernel with nfs turned on... |
| 02:32.29 | George | you have got to be kidding. |
| 02:32.30 | George | :( |
| 02:32.53 | Leeds | I think it's only exported if something is using it, or something like that |
| 02:33.05 | George | grumble. |
| 02:33.16 | George | I hate computers. |
| 02:34.28 | Leeds | can't remember - I did have exactly that problem, but I solved it... could have been a full rebuild which did it |
| 02:34.38 | George | I'm doing a full rebuild right now |
| 02:43.49 | Leeds | hmm... I see a very cheap'n'chipped xbox in my future |
| 02:44.30 | George | there we go... new kernel |
| 02:44.39 | Leeds | working? |
| 02:44.59 | George | yes |
| 02:45.18 | Leeds | cool |
| 02:45.19 | George | now then.. how do I mount NFS in Mac OS X :D |
| 02:45.45 | Leeds | in theory, very easy using the graphical mount server type thing |
| 02:45.56 | Leeds | in practice, very hard to get stuff to automount nicely |
| 02:46.11 | George | I don't care about automount |
| 02:46.11 | Leeds | in practice, just use mount -t nfs foo:/bar /bar and it should work |
| 02:46.45 | George | operation not permitted |
| 02:46.47 | George | grumble |
| 02:47.09 | Leeds | try using sudo :-P |
| 02:47.15 | George | I was su'd to root |
| 02:47.48 | Leeds | back in a mo |
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| 03:09.10 | Leeds | George: had enough of my monitor (plugged into the VGA port on my laptop) running at 60Hz because that's what the built-in screen uses |
| 03:09.43 | George | heh |
| 03:10.00 | Leeds | still not noticably got the wheel on my USB mouse doing anything useful, but that's less important |
| 03:10.17 | Leeds | anything useful like generating button events, that is |
| 03:13.53 | Leeds | this screen - even though it's a 5 year old Dell monitor - looks a lot nicer now |
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| 03:19.41 | George | wtf is bootparamd |
| 03:20.28 | Leeds | yeah, that one threw me for ages |
| 03:20.35 | Leeds | hint: s/aram// |
| 03:21.44 | George | Leeds: I'm compiling it from source |
| 03:21.55 | Leeds | what? |
| 03:21.58 | George | bootparamd |
| 03:23.58 | Leeds | okay |
| 03:24.51 | Leeds | you shake my nerves |
| 03:24.55 | Leeds | and you rattle my brain |
| 03:25.34 | George | ? |
| 03:25.47 | Leeds | too much love drives a man insane |
| 03:26.00 | George | ... |
| 03:26.27 | Leeds | goodness gracious! |
| 03:28.02 | Leeds | great balls |
| 03:32.11 | Leeds | of fire. |
| 03:35.21 | George | hrmm |
| 03:35.33 | George | it's not working. |
| 03:37.36 | Leeds | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/xbox_W0QQitemZ8212052908QQcategoryZ20387QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem :-) :-) |
| 03:38.11 | George | it's hung on "Boot device: /iommu/sbus/ledma@5,8400010/le@5,8c00000 File and args: - install" |
| 03:38.56 | Leeds | you expect that to mean anything to me? |
| 03:39.36 | George | nope |
| 03:39.41 | George | I hope :P |
| 03:46.46 | George | YAY |
| 03:46.48 | George | I'm getting somewhere. |
| 03:47.00 | Leeds | so, want a cheap, not-yet-pissed-on xbox? |
| 03:47.04 | George | me? |
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| 03:47.50 | George | Leeds: yay, it's now said "SunOS Release 5.9 Version Generic_117171-07 32-bit" |
| 03:48.05 | George | "Copyright 1983-2003 Sun Microsystems, Inc. All rights reserved." |
| 03:48.49 | George | "Configuring /dev and /devices" |
| 03:48.53 | George | wooyay, I can't believe this fecking works. |
| 04:00.05 | George | Leeds: ping |
| 04:02.31 | Leeds | pong |
| 04:02.47 | George | Leeds: ok, it said my hard disk was either dead or unformatted |
| 04:02.52 | Leeds | if you're intending to use it, you *will* want some or all of the CCD |
| 04:02.53 | George | I hit F2, and it's thrown me to a console |
| 04:03.01 | George | CCD? |
| 04:03.02 | Leeds | okay |
| 04:03.05 | Leeds | companion cd |
| 04:03.10 | George | ok |
| 04:03.11 | George | well |
| 04:03.15 | George | what do I do now? |
| 04:03.26 | Leeds | so you've got it to boot and no further? |
| 04:03.29 | George | well |
| 04:03.32 | George | it's meant to be installing |
| 04:03.39 | George | I set up a load of stuff like timezone, network... |
| 04:03.48 | George | then it said that there was a problem with my hard disk |
| 04:03.53 | George | and it was either a hard disk failure or unformatted |
| 04:04.11 | George | (it previously had debian on it, so I'm assuming it's "unformatted") |
| 04:04.21 | Leeds | then you probably need to format it, don't you |
| 04:04.23 | George | I hit F2 to go to next, and it threw me into a console |
| 04:04.26 | George | I don't know how :) |
| 04:05.21 | George | I don't know which device is the disk for a start |
| 04:06.10 | Leeds | console as in obp or shell? |
| 04:06.17 | George | shell |
| 04:07.23 | Leeds | Solaris does devfs-type stuff - so the only things in /dev are the things which are there... |
| 04:07.23 | George | seems to be NFS mounted from carbon (my linux box) |
| 04:08.17 | George | there's a /dev/rdsk |
| 04:08.22 | George | but fdisk won't let me touch it |
| 04:08.39 | George | .../dev/rdiskette seems to want to access the floppy |
| 04:10.39 | Leeds | try using format rather than fdisk |
| 04:10.47 | Leeds | find a man page first |
| 04:11.12 | George | there's no man pages |
| 04:11.17 | George | or rather |
| 04:11.19 | George | man isn't on the system |
| 04:12.01 | Leeds | hence my saying "find" rather than "read" |
| 04:12.09 | George | ah |
| 04:12.15 | George | format seemed to work |
| 04:12.31 | George | right, this format is going to take 58 minutes |
| 04:12.31 | George | the bastard. |
| 04:15.53 | George | heh, solaris' time estimate is shit |
| 04:15.59 | George | it's gone from 58 minutes to 25 |
| 04:18.39 | George | Leeds: if I quit this shell will it put me back into the installer? |
| 04:18.58 | George | actually, you probably don't know :) |
| 04:22.35 | Leeds | I would guess not |
| 04:22.57 | Leeds | I would guess that the installer crapped out and you'll have to reboot to get it installing again |
| 04:24.17 | George | bleh |
| 04:24.26 | George | what a shite installer if it's incapable of formatting a disk |
| 04:24.42 | George | btw, what's this CCD you refer to? |
| 04:28.35 | Leeds | solaris never gets installed on new machines |
| 04:28.54 | Leeds | hence the inability to format |
| 04:29.02 | Leeds | google for the companion Cd |
| 04:30.24 | Leeds | http://transit.toronto.on.ca/images/subway-5119-22.jpg and http://transit.toronto.on.ca/images/subway-5119-23.jpg - load them in order |
| 04:33.58 | George | cool |
| 04:34.04 | George | it's got kde |
| 04:40.40 | Leeds | paul worked his arse off getting that to work |
| 04:40.54 | Leeds | he is, afaik, still without work at the moment |
| 04:40.59 | Leeds | bastards |
| 04:41.31 | Leeds | 20 minutes until the lunch bell |
| 04:42.00 | George | heh |
| 04:42.08 | George | Leeds: doesn't solaris require a swap partition or anything..? |
| 04:42.33 | Leeds | and I've got to go try to do some negotiating with the mobile phone people at lunchtime - hopefully find someone who speaks some English |
| 04:42.43 | Leeds | uh... you know about partitions and slices? |
| 04:43.45 | George | no |
| 04:44.09 | George | let me guess, you have a partition, and the partition is divided into slices? |
| 04:44.23 | George | like some sort of weird LVM |
| 04:44.52 | Leeds | ibot change 0.05 hkd to gbp |
| 04:45.07 | Leeds | yes... partitions aren't really used in the SPARC world |
| 04:45.24 | Leeds | hmm... I can probably handle paying that per minute for mobile phone calls to HK |
| 04:45.54 | George | lol |
| 04:46.59 | Leeds | ibot change 0.6 hkd to gbp |
| 04:47.11 | Leeds | and that much per minute to the UK :-) |
| 04:48.16 | Leeds | cheaper to call UK/US/Canada for that much than to China |
| 04:51.59 | Leeds | not that they like their gambling around here or anything, but the mobile provider has a special Mobile Betting SMS tarrif |
| 05:01.11 | Leeds | lunch! |
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| 07:21.39 | Leeds | morning popey |
| 07:39.12 | eye69 | Morning |
| 07:39.20 | Leeds | hey eye69 |
| 07:39.36 | eye69 | Hey Leeds |
| 07:39.57 | eye69 | They wont give in, eh? |
| 07:40.07 | eye69 | s/They/She/ :P |
| 07:41.51 | Leeds | they won't give in - although I think I'm getting somewhere - but more annoyingly, I have to chase them. Have been promised one email which never appeared, and had no response (except a form "here's some common answers, otherwise we'll get back to you" mail) to a mail I sent on Tuesday |
| 07:43.43 | Leeds | and it's a good job this is a call from my desk at work, since it's a 20-minute - so far - international call |
| 07:44.21 | eye69 | Ouch. |
| 07:44.34 | eye69 | What's the problem then? |
| 07:44.43 | eye69 | Ie. why are you calling them? |
| 07:53.37 | JAV | morning |
| 07:56.16 | eye69 | Morning JAV |
| 08:03.18 | Leeds | ooh, they're being sneaky |
| 08:03.54 | Leeds | I'm chasing tier points |
| 08:05.01 | Leeds | for every flight you make, you get miles (depending on route and class of travel), and tier points (depending almost purely on class) - miles are spend on future 'rewards', tier points gain you levels of frequent flyer membership |
| 08:06.28 | Leeds | their T&Cs say: "To reach Silver status you must earn 15 tier points in a 12 month period. " - they are saying that, no, it's actually a 13 month period, and you are zeroed at the end of the 13th month |
| 08:06.47 | Leeds | I hit 15 points on 12/07 and earned another 3 points on 28/07 - which I have now lost |
| 08:07.16 | Leeds | the supervisor I spoke to has promised to look through the T&C and email me telling me where it actually says 13 months and zeroed |
| 08:09.02 | Leeds | the problem is mainly that their system doesn't perform the upgrade after the 15 points are earned - it waits until the end of the month, so any further points earned in that month are simply lost |
| 08:09.39 | eye69 | Idiots. |
| 08:09.40 | Leeds | at the moment it's more an argument of principle than anything else :-) |
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| 08:10.33 | Leeds | oh, and there is no suggestion I can see in their T&C that, for example, 'month' implies 'calendar month' - it just says "12 month period", so for me 13/07/2004 -> 12/07/2005 would count just fine |
| 08:11.09 | eye69 | I can't imagine it being anything else. |
| 08:11.16 | jason_ukfsn | morning all (or evening if you happen to be in that part of the world) |
| 08:11.31 | eye69 | Hi Jason |
| 08:12.06 | Leeds | eye69: what do you mean? you mean it should imply July 2004->June 2005? |
| 08:12.54 | eye69 | Leeds: I'd say 12 month period. |
| 08:13.54 | Leeds | eye69: but my point is what does "12 month period" mean? :-) |
| 08:14.26 | gregj | very tough year for a woman |
| 08:14.29 | gregj | ;) |
| 08:14.34 | Leeds | morning/afternoon jason_ukfsn... what do you think? :-) |
| 08:14.36 | Leeds | gregj: indeed |
| 08:16.36 | gregj | eye69: you have to say period of time I guess |
| 08:16.38 | gregj | :-) |
| 08:16.47 | gregj | otherwise it sounds strange, at least to me |
| 08:16.51 | gregj | thou I am not brit |
| 08:17.38 | jason_ukfsn | think about what Leeds? I seem to have joined towards the end of your discussion |
| 08:18.11 | gregj | |10:12 < eye69> Leeds: I'd say 12 month period. |
| 08:18.11 | gregj | |10:13 < Leeds> eye69: but my point is what does "12 month period" mean? :-) |
| 08:18.11 | gregj | |10:14 < gregj> very tough year for a woman |
| 08:19.13 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: I'm arguing with Virgin over 'tier points', points gathered by frequent flyers purely on the basis of class of flight taken (except London->Sydney flights) and which, once you've got enough, let you gain a 'tier' of frequent flyer membership |
| 08:19.29 | jason_ukfsn | OK |
| 08:20.09 | Leeds | "To reach Silver status you must earn 15 tier points in a 12 month period. " |
| 08:20.15 | Leeds | from the T&C |
| 08:20.39 | Leeds | between 28/07/2004 and 12/07/2005 I earned 15 points |
| 08:20.56 | eye69 | Leeds: The T&C says nothing about the points being deleted? |
| 08:20.58 | Leeds | on 28/07/2005 I earned another 3 points - which have been taken away from me |
| 08:21.23 | jason_ukfsn | Have they given some reason for taking the points away? |
| 08:21.25 | Leeds | eye69: it doesn't... what it says is "Once you are a Silver member you will need to earn 10 tier points in every Silver membership year to retain your Silver membership status." |
| 08:21.40 | jason_ukfsn | Does the promotion state a specific 12 month period - ie from $date to $date? |
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| 08:21.48 | morsing | 'morning |
| 08:21.52 | morsing | ~seen jason_ukfsn |
| 08:21.54 | ibot | jason_ukfsn is currently on #gllug (12m 7s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 14s |
| 08:22.05 | morsing | ping jason_ukfsn |
| 08:22.06 | jason_ukfsn | morning morsing |
| 08:22.09 | morsing | morning |
| 08:22.14 | morsing | Did you get my email? |
| 08:22.15 | eye69 | I believe they'd have to specify that they mean 12 calendar month period. |
| 08:22.20 | eye69 | Morning morsing |
| 08:22.25 | morsing | morning eye69 |
| 08:22.35 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: they say it's actually a 13-month period, and while points are credited within 7 days, they are only *counted* at the end of the month - so on 4/08 I had 18 points - i.e. "15 or more" and was upgraded to Silver, therefore needing 10 more points in the next year to retain my Silver |
| 08:23.06 | Leeds | I say I should have been upgraded well before 28/07 and therefore should have earned my 3 points on that date in the next year |
| 08:25.11 | jason_ukfsn | I think you should write a letter of complaint including the specific text of the offer and pointing out that it is not reasonable to claim that the period is 13 months when the offer specifies 12 months. |
| 08:25.24 | eye69 | They should just upgrade you and then clarify in the T&C. That would keep you as a happy customer. |
| 08:25.28 | jason_ukfsn | Have your communications with them been in writing or over the phone? |
| 08:25.51 | Leeds | we'll see - the supervisor I spoke to is going to email me pointing out where in the T&C it says 13 months... of course, using my superior "search" skills, I can see that there is no mention of the phrase "13 months" or use of the number 13 in relation to months anywhere in the T&C |
| 08:25.54 | jason_ukfsn | Am I right in understanding that they have upgraded you but dropped the 3 points which should go towards the 10 point maintainance. |
| 08:26.05 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: on this issue, on the phone - and yes, you're right |
| 08:26.52 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: I was told I'd get an email about it a couple of weeks ago, and I mailed them on Tuesday asking for help, but haven't actually had anything from them - am now waiting for something |
| 08:27.00 | jason_ukfsn | Complaining over the phone is often pointless once you've found yourself being dealt with by a moron. Once things are in writing most companies have a completely different proceedure requiring a better level of care |
| 08:27.35 | jason_ukfsn | Send a paper letter in the post. It really does make a difference in most companies. |
| 08:27.42 | Leeds | to be fair, the person I spoke to there on Tuesday effectively said that, which is why I mailed them... if I can't get resolution pretty soon I'll resort to post |
| 08:28.21 | Leeds | ironically, the only piece of email I've had since the call was from United Airlines with various promotions :-) |
| 08:29.08 | Leeds | their point, BTW, is that the 13 month period is a benefit, since if you earn your 15th point in the 13th month, you still get upgraded, while the T&C suggest you shouldn't |
| 08:29.41 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds: that's irrelevant. Their claim is to your detriment and is contrary to the advertised offer. |
| 08:30.22 | jason_ukfsn | I'd suggest you don't waste any time and simply write a letter and post it. Make sure you paste it on heavy about being a regular flier and a loyal customer. |
| 08:30.35 | Leeds | anyway, as I said, it's mainly a matter of being an assertive customer for the sake of it now - although there is a serious issue that I am likely to start racking up Cathay ($NEW_EMPLOYER's preferred airline) miles pretty quickly now on trips to Sri Lanka, so my loyalty to Virgin is far from secure |
| 08:30.59 | jason_ukfsn | Usually once they see that you've made the complaint in writing they'll do what you want just for a quiet life |
| 08:31.16 | jason_ukfsn | yes but they don't know that yet |
| 08:31.39 | Leeds | I didn't put that in my last email because, frankly, it felt like confusion rather than malice at that point and I didn't want to start threatening |
| 08:32.24 | jason_ukfsn | It's not a matter of threatening as of pointing out that you are a loyal customer and are "disappointed" at the way you are being treated. There is no need to warn that you wont remain loyal |
| 08:32.33 | Leeds | we'll see what I get today - and it had better be quick |
| 08:33.23 | Leeds | my standard practice is usually to say that I find <whatever is wrong> unacceptable and wait for (or ask for) them to offer to make it acceptable |
| 08:34.18 | Leeds | the other half of the Cathay thing is that until February, most of my flights were to the US with work... they are now likely to be to and from Hong Kong, but importantly, not with work, so it's my own cash and my choce of where I spend it |
| 08:36.07 | Leeds | I am in a perfect position to cash in my existing miles on a one-way London-> Hong Kong (since I have a one-way Hong Kong->London in hand) and just move to Cathay... |
| 08:36.17 | Leeds | anyway, this is all horribly off-topic |
| 08:36.44 | Leeds | and I'm sure very boring to most of you... have I mentioned that I'm in an office where I'm the only person whose native language is English? :-) |
| 08:37.24 | jason_ukfsn | Do you experience any issues communicating as a result? |
| 08:38.40 | Leeds | not much - but it does mean that in general, unless someone is talking to me, I can't understand a word anyone around me is saying |
| 08:38.59 | Leeds | hence running off at the mouth here :-) |
| 08:46.23 | Leeds | I've actually read the whole T&C now and there is absolutely nothing to suggest a 13 month period including zero-ing |
| 09:34.08 | jason_ukfsn | can folks do me a favour and see if they can access the UKFSN website. |
| 09:34.39 | jason_ukfsn | I'm trying to determine whether there are upstream routing issues as some colo customers are complaining that they cannot see their servers on the same network |
| 09:34.48 | eye69 | ukfsn.org? |
| 09:35.01 | Leeds | www.ukfsn.org coming through loud and clear |
| 09:35.17 | Leeds | so if it helps, you're accessible in Asia |
| 09:35.49 | eye69 | Doesn't seem to work from Sweden. |
| 09:36.28 | jason_ukfsn | eye69: can you try a traceroute and let me know where it's failing please |
| 09:36.42 | eye69 | 11 www.ukpost.com (217.158.120.136) 45.558 ms 42.994 ms 43.832 ms |
| 09:36.48 | eye69 | Doesn't seem to fail... |
| 09:37.17 | eye69 | Works from this servers connection though. |
| 09:37.29 | jason_ukfsn | but you cannot see www.ukfsn.org which is on the same box ? |
| 09:37.32 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: works from my mate's machine in London - on mailbox ADSL, I think |
| 09:37.44 | wethrin | It's being very slow here (dur.ac.uk) |
| 09:38.37 | Leeds | does *not* appear to be working from marmite - hosted machine in Texas |
| 09:38.41 | jason_ukfsn | can you let me know a box on that network I can try and access in return wethrin ? |
| 09:38.48 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds: what's the IP address of marmite? |
| 09:38.53 | eye69 | jason_ukfsn: From the office, the webserver doesn't seem to reply at all. |
| 09:39.06 | eye69 | From my server, it replies just fine. |
| 09:39.17 | jason_ukfsn | eye69: can you provide an IP I can test to see if I can see the route from this end? |
| 09:39.26 | eye69 | 217.78.17.118 |
| 09:39.53 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: it doesn't seem to be a blackhole, since I get connection refused from 67.18.166.18 |
| 09:40.04 | eye69 | The one it works from is upcore.net |
| 09:40.18 | Leeds | hang on |
| 09:40.30 | wethrin | jason_ukfsn: Try <anything>.dur.ac.uk, although I think the firewall may block traces |
| 09:40.43 | wethrin | It could just be our webcrash |
| 09:40.50 | Leeds | sorry, not connection refused - it connects but doesn't get a response to an HTTP request |
| 09:41.15 | eye69 | Leeds: Same thing here. |
| 09:41.16 | wethrin | jason_ukfsn: try vega.dur.ac.uk; it'll most likely be stopped at the border router, though |
| 09:41.43 | Leeds | so there's 2.5 datapoints |
| 09:42.07 | jason_ukfsn | wethrin: cheers, I can get as far as 212.219.133.82 from here which is probably a router |
| 09:42.17 | jason_ukfsn | eye69: I can only get so far within SWIPNET |
| 09:42.35 | eye69 | Ok. We're beyond swipnet. |
| 09:42.43 | jason_ukfsn | I've asked the Clara folks to look into the routing problems as it seems fairly widespread. |
| 09:42.50 | eye69 | It should go onto Quicknet after Swipnet. |
| 09:42.50 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: you should be able to traceroute all the way to marmite |
| 09:44.24 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds: cannot get to 67.18.166.18 - times out within theplanet.net |
| 09:44.28 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds: cannot get to 67.18.166.18 - times out within theplanet.com |
| 09:45.07 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: I can traceroute to it both from here and from London |
| 09:45.22 | jason_ukfsn | Actually eye69 I can get to quicknet but no further |
| 09:45.48 | eye69 | Ok |
| 09:46.15 | jason_ukfsn | Well I've raised it with Clara and now I suppose I have to wait a bit for them to look at it |
| 09:47.24 | wethrin | jason_ukfsn: Probably |
| 09:48.21 | Leeds | hmm... Mo Mowlam kicked the proverbial |
| 09:48.34 | wethrin | aye |
| 09:50.09 | jason_ukfsn | yes I saw that on this mornings news. They reported yesterday that her condition was deteriorating quickly so it was kind of expected. |
| 09:50.42 | Leeds | yeah |
| 09:52.39 | wethrin | Next up, Peter Mandelson? |
| 09:53.05 | Leeds | nah, the devil cares well for his mates |
| 09:53.41 | wethrin | bah |
| 09:54.32 | jason_ukfsn | wethrin: it seems to be the ones who upset tony recently that are dropping off as my wife observed this morning. |
| 09:55.00 | wethrin | hmm.....coincidence? |
| 09:55.40 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: Clare Short next? |
| 09:56.16 | wethrin | Gah. Fucking spammers |
| 09:56.33 | wethrin | Spamming the administrative contact address for my domain |
| 09:57.09 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds: didn't she help to pull the rug from the anti-war labour movement in parliament? That being the case they'll probably just kneecap her ;) |
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| 09:58.46 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: how did she pull the rug? |
| 09:59.07 | Leeds | by not resigning before the war? |
| 10:00.01 | jason_ukfsn | yes. She talked it all up and then refused to resign and gave "reluctant support" to the government. |
| 10:00.34 | jason_ukfsn | Oddly enough once the war and occupation was fully in swing her sense of right and wrong started to work again. |
| 10:00.56 | Leeds | didn't do her own rep much good though |
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| 10:12.21 | jason_ukfsn | well at least the techie at Clara is seeing the same symptoms from outside the Clara network so I don't have to argue about the problem :) |
| 10:12.57 | Leeds | good |
| 10:15.19 | jason_ukfsn | I suppose while they're looking into it I may as well turn on the ps2 and carry on playing destroy all humans |
| 10:16.17 | eye69 | :) |
| 10:16.35 | jason_ukfsn | it's very much like Mars Attacks |
| 10:17.13 | Leeds | does it have people's heads grafted onto little doggie bodies? |
| 10:30.57 | Leeds | hmm... no mail from Virgin... how long does it take to find a non-existant entry in a few pages of T&C anyway? |
| 10:33.09 | Leeds | hometime for now - have a good Friday, everyone |
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| 11:18.23 | wethrin | Leeds: get thee to a pub! |
| 11:21.39 | George | hey wethrin, Leeds |
| 11:22.09 | wethrin | Eek! A George |
| 11:22.13 | George | :P |
| 11:22.17 | George | netbooting is very very cool |
| 11:22.31 | wethrin | It's quite useful |
| 11:22.34 | wethrin | Very old-hat, though |
| 11:22.36 | George | just not on a sparc ;) |
| 11:22.49 | George | and I now have my 13W3 -> VGA adaptor |
| 11:22.54 | wethrin | good good |
| 11:23.05 | George | let's hope it doesn't use funny refresh frequencies that my LCDs can't handle. |
| 11:25.28 | wethrin | Heh. Sync-on-green may be your only issue :) |
| 11:25.36 | George | hrmm. |
| 11:25.37 | wethrin | Certainly the U5 worked with my LCD |
| 11:25.37 | George | WHAT? |
| 11:25.48 | wethrin | what? |
| 11:25.49 | George | what the smeg is sync on green? |
| 11:25.50 | wethrin | Ultra5 |
| 11:26.14 | wethrin | It combines the H/V sync signals with the green line |
| 11:26.40 | George | hrmm |
| 11:26.55 | George | so you're telling me this isn't going to work? |
| 11:26.59 | wethrin | I don't know |
| 11:27.03 | wethrin | Try it |
| 11:27.12 | eye69 | I bought a whole bunch of 13w3->VGA adapters from http://deepspacecables.com/ |
| 11:27.22 | wethrin | Of course, even if it did have SoG, then maybe the adapter will pull out the sync signals |
| 11:29.16 | George | it's not woorkkiinnggg |
| 11:30.01 | wethrin | Got a CRT? |
| 11:31.15 | George | yes |
| 11:31.21 | wethrin | Use that |
| 11:31.49 | George | bah |
| 11:31.53 | George | notnow |
| 11:32.02 | George | I want to use my LCD :( |
| 11:33.21 | wethrin | Well, try your CRT first |
| 11:33.25 | wethrin | It's more likely to work |
| 11:33.37 | wethrin | And that could eliminate a problem with the adapter |
| 11:33.46 | George | blah |
| 11:33.56 | George | I'll do it later |
| 11:34.00 | George | my CRT is on the floor at the moment |
| 11:35.22 | wethrin | ah |
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| 12:29.30 | George | NFS really is great |
| 12:37.37 | George | wethrin: that's an american site? |
| 12:40.31 | morsing | <wethrin> I don't know |
| 12:42.18 | George | wethrin: ok, well, it's not working with my CRT |
| 13:09.08 | morsing | <George> hrmm. |
| 13:26.11 | edward | at the moment they are added to the top by apache. i want it to stop. i found mod_asis, but that appears to be just for files, not CGI |
| 13:29.05 | wethrin | George: What's an American site? |
| 13:29.25 | George | wethrin: deepspacecables |
| 13:29.43 | wethrin | Ask eye69 |
| 13:29.46 | wethrin | He bought from there |
| 13:30.36 | George | heh |
| 13:30.48 | wethrin | I bought books! |
| 13:32.58 | JAV | good afternoon |
| 13:40.52 | wethrin | hi |
| 13:47.38 | Leeds | for the record, no mail from Virgin has come |
| 13:52.10 | Leeds | http://www.tadpolecomputer.com/dynamic/news/press/2005/83.html |
| 13:52.29 | Leeds | for those who like their UNIX machines SPARCy and portable |
| 13:53.25 | George | Leeds: did you offer me an xbox this morning? |
| 13:54.22 | Leeds | George: I don't believe so |
| 13:55.05 | Leeds | although I technically do have a spare one |
| 13:55.25 | George | 04:46 < Leeds> so, want a cheap, not-yet-pissed-on xbox? |
| 13:55.28 | Leeds | spare in that it's sitting in London |
| 13:55.41 | Leeds | George: a few lines above that was a link to an ebay auction |
| 13:56.10 | George | ARGH, Solaris has asked me if I want GNOME or CDE |
| 13:56.12 | George | ...GNOME!!! |
| 13:56.14 | George | ARRGHHH |
| 13:56.25 | wethrin | Heh |
| 13:56.26 | wethrin | they both suck |
| 13:56.31 | wethrin | But in different ways |
| 13:56.41 | wethrin | Gnome is ugly slow and bloated |
| 13:56.51 | wethrin | CDE is ugly and not very nice to use |
| 13:57.04 | George | because CDE is almost KDE baybee |
| 13:57.14 | Leeds | it's only asking which one you want by default - I assume the actual answer is KDE |
| 13:57.15 | murb | Crap/Krap Desktop |
| 13:57.21 | wethrin | murb: Indeed :) |
| 13:57.33 | Leeds | you, well, being a weenie thereof |
| 13:57.34 | wethrin | I don't want KDE! |
| 13:57.36 | wethrin | heh |
| 13:57.47 | murb | fvwm2++ |
| 13:57.52 | Leeds | afterstep++ |
| 13:58.27 | George | my resolution appears to be 1152x900 |
| 13:58.32 | George | what the smeg is 1152x900.. |
| 13:58.34 | George | that's just weird |
| 13:59.40 | George | SunOS ss5 5.9 Generic_117171-07 sun4m sparc SUNW,SPARCstation-5 |
| 14:02.35 | George | /dev/dsk/c0t3d0s7 5.9G 6.0M 5.9G 1% /export/home |
| 14:02.39 | George | /dev/dsk/c0t3d0s0 1.9G 1.2G 593M 69% / |
| 14:02.41 | George | not bad |
| 14:03.56 | Leeds | should I be worried that there's water dripping from a light fitting in my bathroom? |
| 14:05.09 | wethrin | George: 1152x900 is a standard resolution on Suns |
| 14:05.20 | George | wethrin: weird |
| 14:05.30 | wethrin | It's standard 4:£ |
| 14:05.32 | wethrin | 4:3 |
| 14:05.42 | wethrin | 1280x1024 is weird |
| 14:05.47 | George | wethrin: no it's not |
| 14:05.53 | George | wethrin: 4:3 would be 1152:864 |
| 14:05.59 | wethrin | Eh. Close enough |
| 14:06.41 | George | wethrin: as for 1280x1024... http://blog.gwright.org.uk/index.php?/archives/55-I-hate-1280x1024.html |
| 14:12.24 | wethrin | mm |
| 14:12.50 | George | why is this machine so dreadfully slow |
| 14:12.56 | George | ssh sessions are lagging |
| 14:12.58 | George | quite a bit. |
| 14:13.16 | wethrin | BEcause you're compiling KDE? |
| 14:13.21 | George | no |
| 14:13.23 | George | nothing's compiling on it |
| 14:13.36 | George | load average: 0.05, 0.07, 0.11 |
| 14:19.39 | wethrin | hm |
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| 14:20.59 | wethrin | Heh. The wikipedia entry for Slashdot start with "This page has been protected from editing to deal with vandalism" |
| 14:21.52 | Leeds | George: because it's a very very shitty machine? |
| 14:22.10 | George | :) |
| 14:22.42 | George | YAY! |
| 14:22.44 | George | tetris |
| 14:22.50 | Leeds | seriously - you never notice the hit from ssh on a modern machine, but on one as old as that, it's going to cause some overhead |
| 14:23.15 | George | yeah |
| 14:23.21 | George | I realised the CPU was crapping out on the encryption |
| 14:23.23 | wethrin | Isn't it that the older SPARCs lacked a hardware divide instruction? |
| 14:23.38 | wethrin | I think the SS5 is okay, but you need to recompile ssh |
| 14:24.25 | George | # ping www.google.com |
| 14:24.26 | George | ping: unknown host www.google.com |
| 14:24.27 | George | hrmm |
| 14:24.33 | George | I thought I'd set up DNS and routing |
| 14:25.39 | George | Leeds: rlogin seems to be fine :) |
| 14:26.08 | Leeds | yes, it would be :-) |
| 14:26.34 | Leeds | hmm... I asked someone to come look at my light... no sign of them, and I need to shit and go out |
| 14:27.31 | Leeds | knew that would work - someone is on their way up :-) |
| 14:27.52 | George | ? |
| 14:28.54 | wethrin | heh |
| 14:29.05 | George | Leeds: how do I set up INTARWEB on solaris? |
| 14:29.18 | wethrin | George: Install Apache |
| 14:29.23 | George | no |
| 14:29.25 | George | as in |
| 14:29.27 | George | get DNS working |
| 14:29.32 | George | I don't see a resolv.conf |
| 14:29.34 | wethrin | What's your /etc/resolv.conf say? |
| 14:29.39 | George | there isn't one :) |
| 14:29.45 | wethrin | ah. Make one? :) |
| 14:30.15 | Leeds | George: /etc/defaultrouter? |
| 14:30.21 | George | # echo "domain gwright.org.uk" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:30.21 | George | # echo "nameserver 192.168.7.7" >> /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:30.21 | George | # ping www.google.com |
| 14:30.21 | George | ping: unknown host www.google.com |
| 14:30.28 | Leeds | ifconfig -a |
| 14:30.41 | wethrin | ping 192.168.7.7 |
| 14:30.47 | wethrin | Do that first :) |
| 14:30.52 | George | # cat defaultrouter |
| 14:30.52 | George | 192.168.7.1 |
| 14:30.54 | Leeds | ifconfig first |
| 14:31.01 | George | # ping 192.168.7.7 |
| 14:31.01 | George | 192.168.7.7 is alive |
| 14:31.07 | Leeds | netstat -nr |
| 14:31.10 | George | # ping -s 192.168.7.7 |
| 14:31.10 | George | PING 192.168.7.7: 56 data bytes |
| 14:31.10 | George | 64 bytes from 192.168.7.7: icmp_seq=0. time=1. ms |
| 14:31.12 | wethrin | Look at your /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 14:31.39 | George | wethrin: ok, what do I look for? :) |
| 14:31.41 | Leeds | oh, that... didn't you tell it to use DNS at install time? it'll try to use NIS+ by default |
| 14:31.52 | George | default 192.168.7.1 UG 1 0 |
| 14:32.01 | wethrin | George: The hosts line |
| 14:32.01 | George | I did tell it to use DNS at install time... |
| 14:32.13 | wethrin | You'd want to have: |
| 14:32.15 | wethrin | hosts: dns files |
| 14:32.19 | Leeds | George: can you traceroute -n anywhere interesting? |
| 14:32.21 | George | hosts: files dns |
| 14:32.24 | George | it's in there. |
| 14:32.34 | George | # traceroute -n 192.168.7.1 |
| 14:32.34 | George | traceroute to 192.168.7.1 (192.168.7.1), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets |
| 14:32.34 | George | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.42 | Leeds | I meant outside your network |
| 14:32.42 | George | # traceroute -n www.google.com |
| 14:32.42 | George | traceroute: unknown host www.google.com |
| 14:32.57 | George | 64 bytes from 192.168.7.1: icmp_seq=0. time=2. ms |
| 14:33.01 | Leeds | fool... your DNS is broken - I'm asking if it's the networking layer or just the DNS |
| 14:33.02 | George | I'm stumped |
| 14:33.02 | wethrin | What if you run nslookup? |
| 14:33.16 | Leeds | ibot nslookup www.google.com |
| 14:33.24 | Leeds | George: traceroute that IP |
| 14:33.27 | George | Leeds: I am |
| 14:33.37 | Leeds | ibot botsnack |
| 14:33.37 | ibot | Leeds: aw, gee |
| 14:33.48 | wethrin | ibot George |
| 14:33.48 | ibot | hmm... george is gwright@kde.org and a KDE devel |
| 14:33.53 | wethrin | ibot Leeds |
| 14:33.53 | ibot | well, leeds is a bloke called Richard in the UK or spending too much time playing with expensive electronic toys or a genius or whatever you want him to be, or nekkid, or a place in the norf, or a rubbish footie team, or damn nearly bankrupt, or better than google. relegated :-(, or unemployed |
| 14:33.55 | George | # traceroute -n 66.102.7.99 |
| 14:33.55 | George | traceroute to 66.102.7.99 (66.102.7.99), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets |
| 14:33.55 | George | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.55 | George | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.55 | George | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.02 | Leeds | ibot Leeds |
| 14:34.02 | ibot | from memory, leeds is probably in Hong Kong...Sri Lanka... somewhere like that, anyway, or possibly somewhere in the Far East making bras |
| 14:34.06 | wethrin | Your nyetwork is broken |
| 14:34.12 | George | # ping -s 66.102.7.99 |
| 14:34.13 | George | PING 66.102.7.99: 56 data bytes |
| 14:34.13 | George | 64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=0. time=182. ms |
| 14:34.13 | wethrin | ibot Leeds |
| 14:34.13 | ibot | hmm... leeds is probably in Hong Kong...Sri Lanka... somewhere like that, anyway, or possibly somewhere in the Far East making bras |
| 14:34.21 | George | I'm getting ping responses from google though |
| 14:34.31 | Leeds | George: what is .1? |
| 14:34.34 | wethrin | firewall? |
| 14:34.38 | George | Leeds: gateway |
| 14:34.46 | wethrin | ibot wethrin |
| 14:34.46 | ibot | i heard wethrin is bigger than a breadbox, unless said breadbox is > 5'11" long, or silly, or afraid that its time to correct how people use it's, or ha |
| 14:34.55 | Leeds | I mean is it something ssh-able-to? |
| 14:34.57 | George | .1 and .7 are both gateways... .1 being the primary and .7 just rerouting to .1 |
| 14:34.59 | George | Leeds: no |
| 14:35.04 | George | Leeds: it's my ADSL thingy |
| 14:35.27 | Leeds | if you do telnet to google IP port 80, does it work? |
| 14:35.48 | George | # telnet 66.102.7.99 80 |
| 14:35.48 | George | Trying 66.102.7.99... |
| 14:35.48 | George | Connected to 66.102.7.99. |
| 14:35.48 | George | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 14:36.03 | Leeds | now talk a little HTTP to it |
| 14:36.09 | George | I don't talk HTTP |
| 14:36.20 | Leeds | you should - it's a useful dialect |
| 14:36.25 | Leeds | "GET / HTTP/1.0" |
| 14:36.27 | Leeds | "" |
| 14:36.47 | George | yeah, seemed to work |
| 14:37.08 | mozrat-se | Afternoon |
| 14:37.08 | George | hey mozrat-se |
| 14:37.09 | Leeds | bloody thing redirects me to google.com.hk so it can talk Chinese at me ;-) |
| 14:37.11 | mozrat-se | Hey George |
| 14:37.21 | Leeds | mozrat-se: you must rack up more miles than me |
| 14:37.21 | wethrin | heh |
| 14:37.23 | George | Leeds: hehe |
| 14:37.36 | George | Leeds: so why is dns busted? |
| 14:37.42 | George | I'll reboot and see what happens |
| 14:37.46 | George | the universal cure for everything :) |
| 14:37.46 | Leeds | George: before that |
| 14:37.47 | mozrat-se | Leeds, I was mozrat-nl Wednesday and Thursday but they blocked outbound SSH and IRC |
| 14:37.51 | mozrat-se | heathens |
| 14:37.59 | Leeds | just cat /etc/resolv.conf first |
| 14:38.00 | George | mozrat-se: that's why you have httptunnel servers :) |
| 14:38.07 | mozrat-se | George: I shall do now |
| 14:38.10 | George | # cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:38.10 | George | domain gwright.org.uk |
| 14:38.10 | George | nameserver 192.168.7.7 |
| 14:38.32 | George | mozrat-se: did you hear that I got my AS grades? :) |
| 14:38.35 | Leeds | I would try using an external nameserver |
| 14:38.42 | mozrat-se | what did you get George ? |
| 14:38.46 | George | mozrat-se: 7 As |
| 14:38.50 | George | Leeds: hrmm |
| 14:38.52 | mozrat-se | Well done, sir |
| 14:38.54 | mozrat-se | nice one |
| 14:39.00 | George | Leeds: I'll try .1 as that's another DNS name server |
| 14:39.10 | Leeds | George: no, I meant one not (mis-)run by you |
| 14:39.30 | George | Leeds: .1 works |
| 14:39.44 | George | Leeds: heh, misrun? :) |
| 14:39.44 | wethrin | So .7 is misconfigured? |
| 14:39.48 | George | wethrin: dunno |
| 14:39.55 | George | wethrin: it's just a stock bind9 install |
| 14:39.56 | Leeds | works as in it works for the ss5, or works as in it works for other machines so you expect it to work for the ss5? |
| 14:39.58 | wethrin | But if .1 works... |
| 14:40.18 | George | Leeds: works as in works for the ss5 |
| 14:40.29 | wethrin | George: So your own nameserver is broken, then |
| 14:40.41 | George | yes |
| 14:40.43 | George | seems so |
| 14:41.21 | Leeds | so there is, in fact, nothing wrong with either Solaris or the machine? |
| 14:41.27 | George | OK, I restarted bind9 on the server |
| 14:41.30 | George | switched back to .7 |
| 14:41.33 | George | and ss5 is working now |
| 14:41.44 | George | oh wait |
| 14:41.46 | Leeds | why are you running two nameserver? |
| 14:41.48 | Leeds | s |
| 14:41.48 | George | I think it had the IP cached |
| 14:41.54 | George | Leeds: one's on my linux server |
| 14:42.04 | George | Leeds: that's my real DNS server.. the other is my ADSL router thingy |
| 14:43.05 | George | ok, weirdness |
| 14:43.08 | George | .1 doesn't work anymore |
| 14:43.40 | George | mozrat-se: thanks, btw :) |
| 14:44.12 | Leeds | ah, toilet IRC |
| 14:45.04 | George | ewww |
| 14:45.09 | George | that's disgusting |
| 14:45.52 | Leeds | ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hee hee hee hee hee |
| 14:46.31 | George | ok, own up |
| 14:46.39 | George | who here is Simon Farnsworth? |
| 14:46.52 | George | or Christoph Bartoschek |
| 14:46.53 | George | :P |
| 14:46.59 | wethrin | list posters? |
| 14:47.04 | George | yeah |
| 14:47.11 | George | they both just posted on my blog, on that 1280 thing |
| 14:47.15 | George | so I'd assume they're lurking here |
| 14:48.12 | George | why does vi not like wide terminals |
| 14:48.15 | George | what a pile of flaming poo |
| 14:49.01 | Leeds | that's why we grab the CCD and install vim |
| 14:49.08 | George | :) |
| 14:49.29 | George | ok, after a reboot it now likes working with .7 |
| 14:49.31 | George | how odd |
| 14:49.32 | George | and strange |
| 14:50.47 | George | I might install fluxbox or something on here |
| 14:51.03 | George | gnome is dreadfully slow, and CDE is dreadfully dreadful |
| 14:51.12 | Leeds | hmm... the drips have started again |
| 14:51.23 | jason_ukfsn | folks can I ask you to test if you can access www.ukfsn.org again please |
| 14:51.24 | George | Leeds: we don't want to know about your toilet antics |
| 14:51.26 | Leeds | George: you'll find a useful selection of window managers on the Companion CD |
| 14:51.59 | George | CDE reminds me of OS/2 Warp 3 |
| 14:52.49 | George | jason_ukfsn: isn't getting anywhere |
| 14:52.56 | jason_ukfsn | Also please test to see if you can view www.gllug.org.uk |
| 14:53.06 | jason_ukfsn | George does traceroute get there? |
| 14:53.15 | George | hang on |
| 14:53.38 | George | something's saturated the crap out of my network |
| 14:53.57 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: nothing from texas, works from London, seemingly nothing from Hong Kong now either, which seems worse |
| 14:53.58 | George | jason_ukfsn: not really |
| 14:54.02 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds: are you able to see www.ukfsn.org and www.gllug.org.uk now? |
| 14:54.10 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds: can you traceroute or ping? |
| 14:54.41 | George | jason_ukfsn: ping works because it was one of the test domains I used from the ss5 :) |
| 14:55.33 | George | Leeds: where is the hostname configuration? |
| 14:55.57 | Leeds | George: in both Hong Kong and Texas, it connects but doesn't respond |
| 14:56.08 | George | Leeds: I changed /etc/hostname.le0 and /etc/hosts to strontium but it still thinks it's ss5 |
| 14:56.13 | George | Leeds: erm, I was talking about solaris :) |
| 14:56.32 | Leeds | George: uh... grep is your friend |
| 14:56.42 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: see what I just said to George |
| 14:57.10 | Leeds | parts of my route from Hong Kong have a return on the traceroute of over a second - it's a wonder anything gets through |
| 14:57.57 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: traceroute no problem - looks like an application layer problem to me |
| 14:59.52 | George | right, whoever is posting hundreds of pointless comments to blog, you can go to hell. |
| 15:00.14 | Leeds | George: it's a blog - surely pointless comments is what it's there for? |
| 15:00.39 | Leeds | s/ked/kend/ |
| 15:00.49 | George | which package is rlogin in? |
| 15:01.14 | Leeds | no idea - try rsh |
| 15:01.16 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds: I initially thought it was the server but it's affecting different servers with different OS and no changes to them. Within the local network and Clara's network there are no evident problems. |
| 15:01.30 | Leeds | I never dealt with standard Solaris userspace when I could avoid it |
| 15:02.03 | jason_ukfsn | I suspect an application layer filter on a router somewhere but it's far enough from me that I've no way of determining where :( |
| 15:02.05 | George | this is in gentoo |
| 15:02.06 | George | :) |
| 15:03.43 | wethrin | then there probably isn't one |
| 15:03.52 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: well, I dunno... and frankly, it's about 3 hours past beer o'clock here, so I'm going out |
| 15:04.18 | jason_ukfsn | fair enough |
| 15:04.21 | jason_ukfsn | thanks for your help |
| 15:04.50 | Leeds | I shall be back, probably rather drunk, in a few hours if you still need badly-typed help :-) |
| 15:09.16 | wethrin | enjoy! |
| 15:10.38 | Leeds | *hic* |
| 15:11.44 | jason_ukfsn | something tells me typing wont be the major issue with advise from a pissed Leeds |
| 15:18.54 | George | Leeds: I take it back |
| 15:18.57 | George | Leeds: ssh is fast on it |
| 15:19.09 | George | Leeds: it's just that my wireless network somehow killed itself to be incredibly slow |
| 15:20.10 | Cope | i have a laptop, with a cisco wireless card in it, which uses airo drivers, I believe |
| 15:20.15 | George | there we go, default shell changed to bash |
| 15:20.37 | mozrat-se | Wooo - cope |
| 15:20.59 | Cope | knoppix seems to work ok, and I can give the card an ip, and ping the ip, etc, but can't ping the router... hrm, I really need to do some reading |
| 15:21.13 | Cope | this wireless stuff is new technology for an old dinosaur like me |
| 15:21.21 | Cope | hi mozrat-se |
| 15:21.23 | Cope | woo George |
| 15:25.11 | George | Cope: ? |
| 15:29.29 | Cope | George: ¬ |
| 15:29.48 | George | Cope: anyway, it took me aggeesss to get solaris installed on that ss5 :P |
| 15:29.58 | Cope | George: it already had solaris on it |
| 15:30.07 | George | Cope: I didn't have the password. |
| 15:30.20 | Cope | George: well done on your results! |
| 15:30.32 | George | thanks :) |
| 15:30.42 | Cope | George: how did you install it, then? |
| 15:31.30 | George | Cope: nfs/tftp/bootparamd/rarpd on a linux box, downloaded isos, split isos to get access to second slices.. moved them into a sane directory structure then netbooted |
| 15:32.21 | Cope | nice |
| 15:32.34 | Cope | you should write a brief how-to |
| 15:32.56 | George | I will |
| 15:32.58 | George | at some point |
| 15:33.09 | George | Cope: I've also ordered 5x9.1GB disks for them |
| 15:34.04 | Cope | nice one |
| 15:34.19 | wethrin | COPE! |
| 15:34.20 | Cope | glad you're having fun :-) |
| 15:34.24 | Cope | hello wethrin |
| 15:34.34 | wethrin | How's Cope? |
| 15:34.39 | Cope | I'll ask him |
| 15:34.45 | George | Cope: yeah |
| 15:34.52 | Cope | he says he's ok, thanks, and you? |
| 15:35.24 | wethrin | I'm good. Going to be off-line tomorrow, and maybe some of Sunday |
| 15:35.30 | Cope | mmhmmm |
| 15:36.08 | George | Cope: I also ordered a SCSI cd drive |
| 15:36.57 | Cope | George: groovy |
| 15:37.25 | wethrin | Have you tried feeding it? |
| 15:37.34 | Cope | wethrin: milk |
| 15:37.44 | wethrin | George: Will it be able to use 512-byte blocks? |
| 15:38.00 | George | wethrin: no idea |
| 15:38.04 | jason_ukfsn | folks can you please test http://www.gllug.org.uk/ and let me know if you can access it now? |
| 15:38.06 | wethrin | It may not work if it doesn't |
| 15:38.15 | wethrin | WFM |
| 15:38.27 | George | wethrin: it's almost exactly the same drive as the one I've got in there at the moment |
| 15:38.27 | wethrin | Although the next meeting is a bit off |
| 15:38.33 | wethrin | From a Sun? |
| 15:38.40 | George | no |
| 15:38.42 | George | it's a compaq drive |
| 15:38.46 | wethrin | hahahahha :) |
| 15:38.47 | George | the drive in there at the moment is a compaq drive |
| 15:39.02 | wethrin | Hm |
| 15:39.08 | wethrin | I thought you said it doesn't boot |
| 15:39.18 | George | wethrin: ? |
| 15:39.23 | wethrin | Your CD drive? |
| 15:39.30 | wethrin | Or did you not try? |
| 15:39.36 | George | I don't have a CD drive |
| 15:39.39 | George | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5221289050&sspagename=ADME:L:AAQ:UK:1 |
| 15:39.43 | George | they're the disks I ordered |
| 15:40.02 | wethrin | Er. I was talking about the SCSI CD drive |
| 15:40.06 | wethrin | Were you talking about the hard drives? |
| 15:40.16 | George | I haven't received it yet |
| 15:40.27 | Cope | hmmmm |
| 15:40.29 | wethrin | Yeah, but you just said you have one in there already... |
| 15:40.36 | Cope | enter the ESSID for eth0 |
| 15:40.40 | Cope | what does that mean? |
| 15:40.46 | wethrin | eth0 is wireless? |
| 15:40.49 | Cope | yes |
| 15:40.53 | wethrin | It's the ID of the wireless network |
| 15:41.00 | rhowe | George: heh, I was going to bid on those |
| 15:41.01 | George | Cope: iwconfig eth0 essid NETWORKNAME |
| 15:41.01 | Cope | how do I find out what that is? |
| 15:41.07 | George | rhowe: why didn't you? :) |
| 15:41.22 | wethrin | Cope: Nassure - there should be a setting to scan for ESSIDs |
| 15:41.57 | George | wethrin: so if the CD drive doesn't support 512-byte blocks I'm screwed? |
| 15:42.06 | Cope | windows box says ssid is called 'cheddaman' |
| 15:42.08 | rhowe | George: In the end I bid on 3 seperate 9.1G drives |
| 15:42.16 | rhowe | George: Came to about 22 quid including postage |
| 15:42.23 | rhowe | George: All from the same seller |
| 15:42.23 | Cope | rhowe: joy with alphas? |
| 15:42.33 | George | rhowe: heh, not bad |
| 15:42.48 | rhowe | Cope: Unsure as yet - I pinched the RAM and stuck it in my existing one for now :) |
| 15:43.04 | wethrin | George: Possibly, yes |
| 15:43.05 | Cope | enter the NWID for eth0? |
| 15:43.16 | rhowe | Cope: Once I have it all configured as a mail server, I'll take the RAM out and put in a proper amount (at least 768M I hope) |
| 15:43.23 | Cope | rhowe: ideal |
| 15:43.30 | rhowe | Cope: Then I can look at getting a second one up and running |
| 15:43.37 | George | wethrin: is it likely to support 512-byte blocks? |
| 15:43.38 | wethrin | Hm. It looks like my phone may not last (battery-wise) until tomorrow evening. Never mind. |
| 15:43.46 | Cope | how do I know what the nwid is? and if its needed? |
| 15:43.49 | rhowe | Speaking of which, you reminded me that work needs to donate some power and cat5 cables :) |
| 15:43.53 | wethrin | George: I have no idea. Most PC ones don't. However, SCSI ones may do, set by a jumper |
| 15:44.04 | rhowe | George: You are aware those are SCA drives, not 68pin SCSI, right? |
| 15:44.20 | George | rhowe: yes |
| 15:44.21 | George | rhowe: SCA. |
| 15:44.28 | George | rhowe: it's what the SS5s use |
| 15:44.33 | rhowe | George: OK, just checking :) |
| 15:44.37 | Cope | hrm |
| 15:44.52 | Cope | can't see a nwid equivalent on the windows machine |
| 15:45.03 | Cope | shall I just leave it blank? |
| 15:45.05 | rhowe | Cope: ESSID? |
| 15:45.13 | George | rhowe: I think I got them at a very reasonable price : |
| 15:45.14 | George | :) |
| 15:45.14 | Cope | rhowe: yeah I found that one, I think |
| 15:45.31 | Cope | its asking for NWID of eth0 |
| 15:45.44 | Cope | 'cell identifier' |
| 15:46.13 | rhowe | Cope: Not sure what that is. Sounds like peer to peer adhoc routing stuff to me, which you aren't likely to be using |
| 15:46.19 | rhowe | Cope: Set it to blank or the ESSID, I guess |
| 15:46.33 | George | Cope: what scsi cd drive did you use with it? |
| 15:46.54 | Cope | George: can't remember |
| 15:47.01 | wethrin | Gah. The train line is hateful |
| 15:47.03 | Cope | bollock, can't ping gw |
| 15:47.41 | George | Cope: pong |
| 15:47.42 | George | :) |
| 15:47.55 | Cope | hmmm - iwconfig shows that the machine thinks the access point is ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff |
| 15:48.01 | George | yeah |
| 15:48.31 | George | wethrin: it's a philips scsi cd drive... that's all I know |
| 15:48.54 | wethrin | dunno then |
| 15:49.22 | wethrin | Right. I'm off. Bye! |
| 15:49.25 | George | cya |
| 15:49.37 | George | Cope: I also had to reinstall because booting into single user mode wanted the root password :) |
| 15:56.36 | George | Cope: btw |
| 15:56.43 | George | Cope: where's a cheap place to pick up those hdd brackets? |
| 15:57.46 | Cope | George: no idea |
| 15:58.01 | Cope | ok wtf do I have to do to get this wifi card to even see the gw |
| 15:58.22 | George | Cope: iwlist scanning? |
| 15:58.49 | Cope | George: failed to read scan data: no data available |
| 16:00.02 | George | hrmm |
| 16:00.08 | George | you know the essid? |
| 16:00.18 | Cope | i think so |
| 16:00.24 | George | Cope: is it WEP enabled? |
| 16:00.30 | Cope | the windows box says its 'cheddaman' |
| 16:00.43 | George | hrmm |
| 16:00.56 | George | in my experience, some machines just bluntly refuse to associate with certain access points |
| 16:01.05 | George | if you're getting the ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff thing, that may be the case |
| 16:01.11 | Cope | how fucking useful |
| 16:01.21 | George | my old powerbook absolutely refused to associate with my belkin thingy |
| 16:01.29 | Cope | this laptop works fine with windows though |
| 16:01.42 | George | oh, should be ok then |
| 16:01.42 | George | erm |
| 16:01.45 | Cope | the ap is indeed using wep, according the the settings on the windows machine |
| 16:01.54 | George | do iwconfig eth0 essid cheddaman |
| 16:02.40 | George | then do iwconfig eth0 and splat the output somewhere |
| 16:03.05 | Cope | well - can't paste it anywhere, but can type it |
| 16:03.32 | George | blah |
| 16:03.39 | Cope | eth0 IEE 802.11-DS ESSID:"cheddaman" |
| 16:03.56 | Cope | Mode:Managed Frequency:2.447 GHz Access POint: FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF# |
| 16:04.25 | Cope | Bit Rate:11 Mb/2 Tx-Power=17 dBm Sensitivty=0/65535 |
| 16:04.32 | George | do you know the h/w address of the AP? |
| 16:04.42 | Cope | Retry limit:16 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off |
| 16:04.57 | Cope | George: yeah I think so, from the arp cache of the windows box |
| 16:05.02 | George | Cope: ok |
| 16:05.15 | Cope | Internet Address Physical Address Type |
| 16:05.16 | Cope | 192.168.74.1 00-0b-5f-49-23-1d dynamic |
| 16:05.18 | George | Cope: do iwconfig eth0 ap blah |
| 16:05.25 | George | where blah is the h/w address of the AP |
| 16:06.06 | Cope | George: ap is still ff.... |
| 16:06.28 | George | hrmm |
| 16:06.29 | George | sucks |
| 16:06.32 | George | try ap any |
| 16:06.48 | Cope | same |
| 16:07.00 | George | got a sledgehammer? |
| 16:07.07 | Cope | heh |
| 16:07.15 | Cope | this shouldn't be difficult, I'm sure |
| 16:07.22 | George | I've always found wifi in linux to be a complete pain in the arse |
| 16:07.27 | George | what card is it? |
| 16:07.37 | Cope | dunno - some cisco thing |
| 16:07.52 | Cope | status light is on, and it shows activity |
| 16:08.03 | George | hrmm |
| 16:08.22 | Cope | uses airo_cs module |
| 16:08.27 | Cope | according to knoppix |
| 16:08.28 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.37 | rhowe | Cope: Cisco Aironet, then, I guess |
| 16:08.44 | rhowe | wireless on Linux is working OK for me so far :) |
| 16:09.10 | Cope | link quality is 0/160 and signal level is -112 dBm |
| 16:09.12 | George | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.17 | Cope | noise likewise |
| 16:09.48 | George | yay, I'm browsing THE INTARWEB on an SS5 |
| 16:09.49 | George | the novelty. |
| 16:11.42 | George | hrmm |
| 16:11.44 | George | mo mowlam is dead |
| 16:11.54 | Cope | no difference |
| 16:12.17 | George | lol |
| 16:12.34 | Cope | didn't honestly expect a difference |
| 16:12.39 | George | Cope: got any other spares from the SS5? :) |
| 16:12.48 | George | s/from/for/ |
| 16:12.49 | George | heh |
| 16:13.13 | Cope | George: no |
| 16:13.33 | George | hrmm, ok |
| 16:13.44 | George | I've spent altogether far too much money on it so far. |
| 16:14.13 | Cope | ok - beginning at the basics here - I have the card; lets see if google says it works with linux |
| 16:14.18 | jason_ukfsn | folks can you please test http://www.gllug.org.uk/ and let me know if you can access it now? |
| 16:14.55 | stephen | jason_ukfsn: yup, it works now |
| 16:15.11 | George | same here |
| 16:15.12 | George | woring |
| 16:15.13 | George | er. |
| 16:15.14 | George | working. |
| 16:16.20 | Cope | hrm, is there an lspci equivalent for pcmcia? I looked in /proc/bus/pccard but that just tells me what I already know - ie its using airo_cs |
| 16:16.52 | George | Cope: cardctl? |
| 16:17.22 | Cope | George: great |
| 16:17.37 | Cope | ok its a cisco 350 series wireless lan adaptor |
| 16:17.51 | rhowe | Cope: Check it's operating in the correct mode |
| 16:17.57 | rhowe | ath0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"no127" |
| 16:18.04 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.14 | rhowe | Cope: For you, it should be 'Mode: Managed' |
| 16:18.30 | rhowe | Cope: And check it's 802.11[abg] (depending on what you're running) |
| 16:18.48 | rhowe | Cope: You change between a, b and g using 'iwpriv mode <n>' IIRC |
| 16:19.17 | Cope | IT SAYS 802.11-ds |
| 16:19.26 | Cope | </toggle caps> |
| 16:22.02 | Cope | google indicates the card works fine with linux |
| 16:25.52 | rhowe | heh, no idea what ds |
| 16:25.53 | rhowe | is |
| 16:26.01 | Cope | indeed |
| 16:26.13 | Cope | oh well - adjournng for the day |
| 16:26.16 | rhowe | dualspeed or something perhaps? Maybe the card has a special mode where it is in two modes at once? |
| 16:26.55 | rhowe | Most manufacturers have their own proprietary operating modes which run faster than the standards |
| 16:27.08 | rhowe | Maybe it's referring to whatever Cisco's is called |
| 16:33.33 | murb | new gf? |
| 16:34.48 | rhowe | month old now |
| 16:34.58 | rhowe | (cue paedophilia jokes) |
| 16:35.11 | murb | why? |
| 16:35.26 | rhowe | this'll be the 3rd time we've met |
| 16:35.40 | murb | oh... |
| 16:40.05 | George | gah, why are the SS5 hard disk mounting brackets so fucking expensive |
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| 17:08.31 | Cope | George: progress |
| 17:08.55 | Cope | George: restarted system, and configured network by hand, then ran iwlist scanning |
| 17:09.01 | Cope | got some results |
| 17:09.13 | George | Cope: yay |
| 17:09.24 | Cope | George: not sure what to do with said results, however |
| 17:12.19 | George | lol |
| 17:12.58 | Cope | and bloody annoying, since I have to reboot into windows to connect to internet, so I can't see the results now |
| 17:14.57 | murb | why do you have to do that? |
| 17:16.17 | Cope | because this laptop has windows on it, and under knoppix I am yet to work out how to get wireless to work |
| 17:16.49 | Cope | there's another computer upstairs, but its Dad's and he is home from work now, and will want to use it |
| 17:18.42 | Cope | hehe |
| 17:19.18 | George | Cope: he has hdd brackets at £7.50 + vat, and a CD drive at £19 + vat and a floppy drive at £10 + vat... I wonder if he'll swap them with two SS5 base units :) |
| 17:19.29 | Cope | hehe - maybe! |
| 17:21.44 | George | Cope: by the way, I forgot to give you that petrol money :( |
| 17:21.51 | Cope | indeed |
| 17:22.10 | Cope | however, you can adequately compensate by helping me with my WLAN ;-) |
| 17:22.18 | George | heh |
| 17:22.22 | George | I'm trying! :P |
| 17:23.13 | Cope | so with the iwlist info, I guess I need to convert that into iwconfig iwspy etc commands? |
| 17:23.19 | George | I've lost my torx screwdrivers. |
| 17:23.26 | George | Cope: yeah |
| 17:23.49 | George | Cope: is the AP encrypted? |
| 17:24.05 | Cope | George: I'll reboot into knoppix, get the info, and write it down |
| 17:24.15 | Cope | George: I think so, yes |
| 17:24.17 | Cope | brb.... |
| 17:24.28 | George | Cope: if it is |
| 17:24.38 | George | Cope: you'll NEVER get it to associate until the wep key is set in linux |
| 17:24.53 | Cope | ok |
| 17:24.55 | George | Cope: and iirc it'll keep saying ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff or 44:44:44:44:44:44 |
| 17:24.56 | Cope | well - brb |
| 17:47.45 | George | hey Leeds |
| 17:48.14 | Leeds | found the wrong westerners |
| 17:49.21 | Leeds | morning Georgy |
| 17:52.03 | Cope | George: ok - I have new info! |
| 17:52.36 | Cope | i know the address of the ap (mac); the essid, the mode, the channel/freq |
| 17:52.44 | Cope | encryption is 'on' |
| 17:52.50 | George | do you have the WEP key? |
| 17:53.05 | Cope | the cisco util under windows tells me there is a 128 bit hex wep key |
| 17:53.12 | George | yeah |
| 17:53.17 | George | you're going to need that nex value |
| 17:53.18 | George | hex. |
| 17:53.24 | Cope | how do I get that? |
| 17:53.31 | George | no idea |
| 17:53.33 | George | depends on the software |
| 17:53.34 | Cope | handy |
| 17:53.45 | George | I've decided I hate sync on green. |
| 17:53.47 | George | it's evil |
| 17:53.48 | George | and sucks |
| 17:53.49 | Cope | hehe |
| 17:54.11 | George | I can't get any monitors to wokr |
| 17:54.26 | Cope | grim |
| 17:54.39 | Leeds | Cope: in theory - particularly if there's someone else on the network who you can persuade to generate lots of traffic - you could crack it |
| 17:55.21 | Leeds | in practice, if no-one knows, it's not used by many people, and you know the password for the AP - it might just be easier to set a new one on the AP |
| 17:55.50 | Cope | well the windows one seems to be pre-set |
| 17:56.11 | Cope | ie in the cisco util it comes up as 'already set' and as #3 out of 4 |
| 17:57.16 | Cope | Dad will probably know the wep key |
| 17:57.16 | George | hrmm, apparently fixed frequency monitors don't need sync |
| 17:57.22 | George | so does the SS5 have sync-on-green or not? |
| 17:57.36 | Cope | dunno - rtfm |
| 17:57.42 | George | Cope: manual? :) |
| 17:57.51 | Cope | yeah, should be a big handbook on the sun website |
| 17:58.09 | Cope | gives you stupid amounts of detail |
| 17:58.18 | George | heh |
| 17:58.41 | Cope | Leeds: assuming I wanted to crack it, because its more fun.... |
| 17:58.52 | Cope | I could generate lots of traffic using this laptop |
| 17:59.02 | Leeds | He who knows not and knows that he knows not is ignorant. Teach him. |
| 17:59.03 | Leeds | He who knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool. Shun him. |
| 17:59.03 | Leeds | He who knows and knows not that he knows is asleep. Wake him. |
| 17:59.17 | Cope | but don't I get into a chicken & egg situation? |
| 17:59.20 | Leeds | that's just come up as a login fortune :-) |
| 17:59.44 | Leeds | name your chicken, describe your egg |
| 17:59.52 | Cope | ie shove in a cd with cracking utils... oh... wireless doesn't work because I need a wep key |
| 18:00.04 | Cope | hmm, lets crack the wep key.... |
| 18:00.07 | murb | kill the chicken, cook the chicken, boil the egg => dinner |
| 18:00.11 | Cope | ie shove in a cd with cracking utils... oh... wireless doesn't work because I need a wep key |
| 18:00.26 | George | ..my monitor's supposed to support sync on green anyway |
| 18:00.27 | George | this sucks. |
| 18:00.28 | murb | why don't you knokw the wep key for your own network? |
| 18:00.38 | Cope | murb: because it isn't my network |
| 18:01.15 | Leeds | Cope: either: get cracking tool for windows, run it on the same machine as is generating the traffic - I don't know if that works - or use another machine on the network to generate the traffic |
| 18:01.20 | murb | does the owner of the network think you should knowk the key? |
| 18:01.22 | Cope | it's Dad's network, and he is anti-linux (its free therefore it can't be trusted) |
| 18:01.32 | murb | oh, you've moved home? |
| 18:01.44 | George | Cope: ergh |
| 18:01.46 | George | Cope: lecture him |
| 18:01.48 | Cope | ie - you can run a windows machine (in this case my mum's network) |
| 18:01.57 | Cope | s/network/laptop |
| 18:02.06 | murb | doesn't that need to know the wep key? |
| 18:02.07 | Cope | which is already set up |
| 18:02.11 | murb | and you have access to it? |
| 18:02.14 | Cope | yes - but its already entered |
| 18:02.18 | murb | so steal the wepkey from the configuration. |
| 18:02.21 | Cope | i can't see it |
| 18:02.36 | Leeds | murb: write-only field |
| 18:02.37 | Cope | its not visible, for security reasons |
| 18:02.51 | Cope | right - dinner time |
| 18:02.53 | Cope | back in abit |
| 18:03.06 | Leeds | Cope: find where it's stored on disk, read file, use network :-) |
| 18:04.18 | murb | failing that guess password on ap from windows, change wep key. |
| 18:04.35 | Leeds | murb: I suggested that above |
| 18:04.38 | murb | ok |
| 18:08.18 | murb | anyway google suggests there are lots of tools for recovering wep keys from the windows registery depending on the driver. |
| 18:32.08 | George | Cope: "I have about 20 2Gb SCA disc and last month we chucked half a dozen SS5s as I had no ram or disc brackets for them :-( Sorry." |
| 18:32.11 | George | Cope: I want to CRY |
| 18:32.26 | Cope | grrr |
| 18:35.57 | Cope | When first configured, WEP keys are written to nonvolatile RAM on the client adapter card. The keys cannot be viewed or erased, but they can be overwritten with new keys. |
| 18:41.49 | murb | Cope: what card do you have? |
| 18:43.00 | Cope | cisco aironet 350 |
| 18:43.31 | murb | I don't think it survivies a reboot, which means windows must store it somewhere as well. |
| 18:43.38 | murb | if it did it would work with linux. |
| 18:43.48 | murb | without you having to set a wep key. |
| 18:43.52 | Cope | yeah |
| 18:44.09 | Cope | trawling the cisco documentation hasn't yet revealed where it stores it though |
| 18:45.21 | murb | When the driver loads |
| 18:45.21 | murb | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.21 | murb | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.21 | murb | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.22 | George | I want A-level grades of "DUDE" |
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| 18:45.53 | Cope | lol |
| 18:46.04 | murb | http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/wireless/ps4555/products_installation_and_configuration_guide_chapter09186a0080154eb1.html |
| 18:49.26 | Cope | hrm, but how to find them, and decrypt them |
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| 18:56.09 | morsing | mjallo |
| 18:57.00 | Cope | :-/ |
| 18:57.45 | morsing | Cope: What's up? |
| 18:58.42 | Cope | trying to work out how to recover a wep key on windows |
| 18:59.01 | morsing | I had a crappy day at work? You? |
| 18:59.30 | morsing | My boss told me he would break my legs if I hadn't finished some work by Wednesday |
| 19:00.14 | morsing | Well, he was joking obviously but I just didn't find it funny |
| 19:01.43 | morsing | Anyway, gotta go again |
| 19:09.55 | Cope | next call.... cygwin |
| 19:21.38 | gregj | cygwin is for windows |
| 19:22.09 | Cope | shock news |
| 19:22.43 | Cope | and next on our staggering information service.... gregj is Polish |
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| 20:50.09 | George | Cope: I think I'm going to bin the 3 85MHz sparcs |
| 20:54.25 | Cope | ok |
| 20:55.55 | George | Cope: bit slow :) |
| 20:57.30 | Cope | If the price of an apple was raised 50% and then decreased 50%, making it cost $0.75, how much was the original price? |
| 20:59.01 | George | $1.00 |
| 20:59.57 | George | DUH |
| 20:59.57 | George | :P |
| 21:02.42 | Cope | hehehe |
| 21:03.36 | George | Cope: looks like I'll be taking this sun monitor to school then... as I can't find a reasonably priced converter |
| 21:03.54 | Cope | nasty |
| 21:04.06 | George | Cope: it means I'll have 3 20" monitors on one desk at school |
| 21:04.10 | George | people will think I've gone nuts |
| 21:04.13 | Cope | :-D# |
| 21:04.15 | George | :) |
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