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01:12.37Georgenice
01:12.41Georgelight travelling faster than c
01:44.12Copemmm
01:48.14Georgefooood
01:50.31GeorgeCope: why up late?
02:05.23Copeclubbing
02:05.55Copewell - being a taxi driver for friends && clubbing
02:06.08Copejust heading off to bed
02:06.08Georgeclubbing?
02:06.13Georgeblah
02:06.14Copeseals
02:06.22Georgeyou know, you're younger than I expected :)
02:06.28Copelol
02:06.32Georgewhen I met you on monday or whenever it was
02:06.33Georgeheh
02:06.44George:P
02:07.00Copetalk tomorrow; rest well, when you do
02:07.04Georgehehe
02:07.05Georgeyeah
02:07.10GeorgeI need to get back into a normal sleep pattern
02:07.11Georgefor akademy
02:07.30George:P
02:15.01Georgehttp://ktown.kde.org/~charles/lwce2004/we-hate-george-wright.jpg
02:15.02George:D
02:29.19Georgeheh
02:29.22Georgenot bedding?
02:30.14Copeyeah, just saying goodnight
02:30.19Copesee you tomorrow(ish)
02:30.37Georgelol
02:30.39Georgeyou mean today?
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02:33.21GeorgeLeeds!
02:33.27GeorgeLeeds: http://ktown.kde.org/~charles/lwce2004/we-hate-george-wright.jpg
02:35.08LeedsGeorge:  your point? :-)
02:35.25GeorgeLeeds: was just thinking how large you look :P
02:37.44Leedsthank you
02:37.53George:D
02:38.00Georgeaww I love you really Leeds
02:38.02Georgeeven though you hate me :P
02:39.29Leedsyeah yeah...
02:39.35Leedsbreakfast time
07:17.02morsingmorning
07:35.31mozrat-semorning
07:41.25mozrat-seWho's the chap next to you in that picture Leeds?
07:44.07mozrat-setype in the words miserable failure into Google and hit I'm feeling lucky
07:47.18Leedsmozrat-se: completely random KDE bloke
07:49.29mozrat-sewell done morsing
07:49.38mozrat-seLeeds, your idea I take it
07:50.46morsingDid anyone here win the jackpot last night?
07:54.02mozrat-seNot I
07:55.18morsingBut you did remember to buy your ticket, right?
07:56.44mozrat-seI didn't to be honest - I'm abroad at the moment
07:57.39Leedsno, his idea!
07:58.43mozrat-seLeeds, ha
08:30.47morsingLeeds: What was that DNS server again pleaase?
08:32.25morsingmozrat?
08:37.37mozrat-sehello
08:40.55morsingI got it - not to worry
08:41.05mozrat-sek
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09:42.49morsingar!
09:52.46mozrat-semetal!!!!
10:16.17morsingWhich packages do I need to run make menuconfig?
10:17.42morsing~seen wethrin
10:17.43ibotwethrin is currently on #gllug (2d 6h 58m 42s).  Has said a total of 104 messages.  Is idling for 1d 18h 28m 21s
10:18.48morsingAhh... libstdc++dev
10:18.56eye69mozrat-se: Metal++
10:22.05mozrat-seyes
10:22.51morsingeye69!
10:23.05eye69Danzig - Mother
10:23.18morsingMmm... BMW 740i
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10:37.46resuDaedany (ultra)sparc users in here this morning?
10:39.26gregjsome
10:39.29gregjbut linux on it
10:41.49resuDaedI am attempting to put oBSD in it
10:42.49resuDaedor at least have done, but cannot get it to boot from hdd
10:43.22gregjoh, I had problems to get it boot from CD :-)
10:43.30gregjhad to read manual on sun's site
10:43.39gregjperhaps you should look for it too
10:43.47resuDaedI figured that out (boot cdrom :-)
10:43.54gregj;]
10:43.57resuDaedbut this is my first time with openboot
10:44.29resuDaedshow-devs lists waht I think is my hdd as ..../disk
10:44.44resuDaedso I type setenv boot-dev disk
10:44.56resuDaedthen setenv boot-file bsd
10:45.10gregjI really have no idea about obsd on sparc
10:45.11gregj:-)
10:45.17resuDaedboot, and I get ... "Can't open boot device"
10:45.25gregjI tend not to use obsd overall, because it's rather slowish
10:45.27resuDaedI am not getting as far as the OpenBSD part
10:45.42resuDaed(although I have installed it and know it resides on the hdd)
10:45.43gregjyes, but it's sparc specific
10:45.51gregjfor linux there is silo
10:45.59gregjand this boots everythin fine
10:48.03resuDaedI am tempted to install debian on it, but tbh I just want it to work
10:48.21gregjwhat kinda sparc is it
10:48.31resuDaedultra5 (270)
10:50.02resuDaedI am awaiting arrival of an SS10 dually which I shall be setting up with openbsd to run as a router
10:51.38eye69Hi resu
10:51.44resuDaedmorning eye69
10:52.49morsingDoes IPMI work on my computer?
11:01.56murbit should work on my computer but i didn't get it tow ork yet.
12:08.11rhowemm, gf++
12:08.27rhoweAlthough, gf going home--
12:11.52murbdistance(location('rhowe),location(home('gf)))
12:14.42rhoweLondon <--> nr. Cardiff
12:14.56rhoweAlthough currently bedroom <--> bathroom
12:39.01wethrinhello
12:43.56morsingwethrin!
12:46.10wethrinmorsing!
12:46.12wethrinDid you get my text?
12:48.00Georgewethrin!
12:48.21wethrinGeorge!
12:49.38GeorgeI've just been asked if I have no life
12:49.45Georgesome people really are naive
12:49.47wethrinWhy would people need to ask that?
12:50.28Georgewethrin: flooble.
12:50.31wethrinWooble
12:50.33George:)
12:51.05Georgeon a sunday?!
12:51.14wethrinThey may have arrived Friday or yesterday
12:51.35Georgeyour fault for hiding under a rock then
12:52.36Georgewethrin: my hard disks should be arriving tomorrow
12:53.02wethrinHurrah?
12:53.05Georgeheh
12:53.11Georgeonly 5x9.1GB SCA
12:53.14wethrinGrrr. My trackpad's suddenly stopped working again
12:53.15wethrinAhh. Those ones
12:53.27Georgetrackpads suck
12:53.39wethrinI prefer them to the nipple-mice
12:53.49Georgetrue
12:53.55Georgethe nipples just suck
12:54.03wethrinYes. Awful to use
12:54.07George:)
12:54.27wethrinIt's odd, though. It just suddenly seized up. And I have no idea why
12:54.38George"huff" on it
12:54.43Georgethat normally does the trick
12:54.52wethrinNope
12:55.02Georgehrmm
12:55.06Georgeget the sledgehammer out
12:55.13wethrinHeh
12:55.34Georgeit's called "tactical computing"
12:55.45wethrinAh. That fixed it - turn computer to sleep and back on again
12:56.05Georgelol
12:56.16wethrinComputers are hateful things :)
12:56.40Georgenah
12:56.41Georgethey just suck
12:57.01wethrinSame difference
12:57.44George:)
13:01.05Georgebecause you're odd
13:01.35wethrinyup
13:04.09murbanyone want 2 coach tickets valid from london to stansted?
13:06.03wethrinWhy didnt' you use them?
13:08.58murb'cos i got a lift from HW.
13:10.17wethrinAhh
13:10.59wethrinGrr. How long can sourceforge's list server be broken?
13:13.22Georgeyou mean it's worked before?
13:16.07wethrinWell, I just want to list my other Sourceforge subscriptions
13:16.24murbsourcefarce
13:16.28wethrinyes
13:16.41murb.net
13:16.57wethrinDOTNET
13:19.21gregj.niet
13:19.43gregjthe russian comes handy ;)
13:20.07wethrin:)
13:20.11wethrin.not?
13:20.14gregjyep
13:20.20wethrin:)
13:20.28gregjbut it sounds so much better in russian, don't you think ?
13:20.39wethrinda
13:20.45wethrinGAH. I JUST WANT TO UNSUBSCRIBE!
13:21.36gregjspam 'em
13:21.58gregjif list server unsubscription doesn't work, I am doing mail <somemessage in a loop for two hours
13:22.05gregjthey do unsubscribe me automaticaly than
13:22.06gregj:-)
13:22.12gregjI did that twice already
13:22.21gregjbecause PLD (linux distro) list wasn't quite listeing to me
13:22.34wethrinHeh
13:28.59murbcan';t you just bounce messages?
13:29.05murbthat should atleast get delivery turned off.
13:29.12murbalthough they'll probably still spam you.
13:29.47murbI managed to get subscribed to a BUPA list by asking for a quote, with the do not contact me option.  Then when i was on holiday they emailed me to ask if they could contact me, and then assumed they could when they got no reply...
13:30.38wethrinoops
13:30.52Georgegregj: akademy?
13:35.43gregjwha
13:35.50gregjI am leaving on 25th
13:36.08gregjfrom gatwick, I didn't say anythng about akademy, so I don't quite understeand you
13:39.03wethrinleaving to go where?
13:40.44gregjmalaga/spain
13:40.53gregjfor KDE conference
13:41.05gregjI think mr George is coming too
13:41.09gregjrighto ?
13:41.28gregjwonder how much would I learn in 5 days anyway ;)
13:41.39wethrinOoh
13:41.47wethrinKDE conference being aKademy?
13:41.59gregjbut I personaly like to know at least language a bit before I go to some country
13:42.20gregjmaybe that's why I was traveling only to .sk, .cz, .uk and .ca now
13:42.20gregj;)
13:42.23gregjyep
13:42.38Georgegregj: yeah, I was just wondering if you were going :P
13:42.41gregjhttp://conference2005.kde.org/
13:42.55gregjGeorge: yes, I am spamming the list, and I am on the list of folks that are going there
13:43.04George:)
13:43.17gregjhttp://wiki.linux-malaga.org/index.php?title=Arrivals
13:43.24Georgeyeah, I'm on that list too
13:43.25gregjin case you wonder which plane to hijack
13:43.26gregj;)
13:43.31Georgegregj:
13:43.32George13:53 < George> coolo: I see I have your company in the shuttle service from the airport to the residence on friday
13:43.35George13:53  * coolo is so damn thrilled
13:44.45gregjhehe
13:44.53gregjI do arrive around midnight on 25th, so no shuttle
13:45.06gregjI hope some organizer dude will mock about and bring me to the place :-)
13:45.12gregjotherwise I am lost and scared :P
13:45.23wethrinheh
13:45.54gregjbut there was no other flight, and I don't like to stay in london just for overnight
13:47.02Georgelol
13:47.25Georgegregj: where are you flying from?
13:47.30gregjCracow
13:47.34gregjto Gatwick
13:47.41gregjthan 4 hours at the airport, and to Malaga
13:47.56gregjI'll stay longer in London on me way back
13:48.14George:)
13:48.17Georgewhen are you departing?
13:48.36wethrinWhen're you in London again?
13:48.41Georgehrmm, shower time
13:48.42gregjon 5th
13:49.17wethrinuntil?
13:49.47gregj6th ?
13:50.00gregjI can miss me flight and stay bit longer
13:50.11GeorgeI'll be there from the 26th to the 5th
13:50.19gregjbut that's only if I will have money to buy me new ticket
13:51.08wethringregj: Bah
13:51.18wethrinYou should be in London on the 3rd and 4th
13:51.32gregjnope, you should stay in London longer :-)
13:52.02GeorgeI need to pack
13:52.07Georgeand get myself onto a sane sleep timetable
13:52.15wethrinPff. I have work to do!
13:52.22GeorgeI don't want a repeat of last year, where I missed 10 days of conference because I kept oversleeping :)
13:53.06wethrinheh
13:53.09wethrinyou suck
13:53.45gregjyeah, at least I do it good :P
13:53.53wethrinHeh
13:54.10gregjpack, it's only sunday afternoon
13:54.13wethrinMm
13:54.23gregjyou have a lot of time dude
13:56.14wethrinI'm not packing
14:04.51Georgeheh
14:05.04Georgea friend of mine just used the word "kool" to describe the kde conference
14:05.11Georgeunintentionally
14:05.25wethrinGAHHH. DAMN DJBWARE!
14:05.29wethrinWell, ezmlm specifically
14:09.00gregjyes, this guy should be shot
14:09.23wethrinHrm. I like qmail
14:09.30wethrinAnd in theory ezmlm is nice
14:09.38wethrinBut it SHOULDN'T USE THE ENVELOPE FROM ADDRESS!
14:09.39wethrinGah
14:11.11wethrinHurrah for knowing SMTP
14:40.09Georgecheapest place to buy winxp?
14:45.16wethrinSpam
14:45.45Georgeok
14:45.54Georgeanyone know of any simple video editing software for linux that's good?
14:46.06GeorgeI just want to be able to edit out adverts and things from videos captured from TV
14:46.45JAVGeorge: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/08/18/linux_video.html
14:46.47mozrat-seGeorge: It isn't released yet but Pitivi is supposed to be good
14:51.36Georgemozrat-se: ever used it?
14:53.06mozrat-seGeorge: not yet
14:54.22Georgemozrat-se: hrmm
14:54.41Georgemozrat-se: I want it to be able to load a video file of any size... ie - can be massive
14:54.48George(where massive > 30GB)
14:54.59Georgeand then cut out adverts :)
14:59.09mozrat-seWell - I dunno if it can handle it but you should check it out
14:59.31mozrat-sedoes anyone think people who sell home networking equipment generally make things too confusing
14:59.34mozrat-sefor example
14:59.45mozrat-se3 Apple Airport Extreme base stations in this office
14:59.49mozrat-seLAN and WAN ports
15:00.22mozrat-sewhy does a Wireless Access point have a WAN port? It's an ethernet bridge
15:00.54gregjcan be
15:00.58gregjbut usualy is router as well
15:02.34mozrat-sebut this model has no configuration for WAN protocols - even ADSL
15:02.50mozrat-seso why confuse things by calling it a WAN potr
15:02.52mozrat-seport
15:03.58gregjwireless access network :P
15:04.22mozrat-seheh - I wonder if thats what they mean..
15:04.34mozrat-sein that case I'm even more grumpy with it
15:10.12Leedsis it just me who
15:10.21Leedswho's not been able to get to gmail all day?
15:15.33Georgemy powerbook just caught fire
15:15.34Georgehow lovely.
15:15.54Leedsflames? smoke?
15:17.50gregjis purgatory the thing between heaven and hell in Catolic church ?
15:17.51Georgeyes
15:17.55GeorgeLeeds: from the power supply
15:18.02GeorgeLeeds: melted plastic...
15:18.28gregjsue them :-)
15:19.09murbgregj: i read that as between heaven and the catholic church.
15:19.55gregj;]
15:20.05gregjwhat did you smoke
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15:43.31mozrat-seI bought a PSP last week
15:44.14Leedsmozrat-se: had dinner this evening with a family with two daughters - had a PSP each
15:45.14LeedsI'm quite happy with my DS
15:46.28mozrat-seLeeds - could you look to see how much PSP games are over there next time you are out?
15:48.09Leedsyup
15:48.21LeedsI know DS games go between about $220 and $290
15:48.59mozrat-sethat.... sounds like a lot?
15:49.09mozrat-sewhats that in the Queens cash?
15:49.10Leedsibot change 250 hkd to gbp
15:49.28mozrat-seah!
15:49.29mozrat-secool
15:49.59mozrat-seWould you send some over if I send you the money?
15:50.04mozrat-seor Paypal you or whatever
15:50.16Leedssure
15:50.27wethrinWhat is it with gamesystem designers calling their products by already well-known acronyms?
15:50.28mozrat-sethanks :)
15:53.08mozrat-seoooo-arr, Captain Leeds
15:53.31Leedsproblem is that - at least in some cases - the difference is almost all VAT
15:54.21Leedsgiven that there isn't any here :-)
16:01.30mozrat-seyes
16:02.41Leedsincome tax here is either a flat 16%, or on a scale from 2% to 16%  - which ever gives a *lower* total
16:05.22mozrat-senice
16:05.47mozrat-sethere's a concert here in Stockholm tonight
16:05.52mozrat-seCraig David played last night
16:05.57mozrat-seI wonder who is on tonight
16:08.26Leedsmozrat-se: can I suggest ballofdirt.com?  Dunno who it was here who pointed me at it...
16:10.49mozrat-sethanks, i'll check it out
16:12.26mozrat-seahh, thought it was a games site
16:12.31mozrat-sethats interesting
16:12.43mozrat-seI have some more travel coming up soon - I'll join up there
16:13.17Leeds<PROTECTED>
16:16.06mozrat-seI wish I'd seen this at the beginning of the year
16:17.14Leedsyou can backdate it you know :-)
16:17.15mozrat-seI think you beat me for mileage leeds :)
16:17.40LeedsI think 65k is pretty damn good
16:17.58mozrat-se*nods.in.agreement*
16:18.09mozrat-seI'm confined to Europe Middle East and Africa
16:18.40LeedsI also managed 4 continents in about 2 months
16:19.40Leedsokay, I only spent the day in Africa, but it counta
16:19.41Leedscounts
16:30.47eye69mozrat-se: You in Sthlm?
16:36.11eye69I have to scoot. Bye folks.
16:37.46Leedshttp://www.immd.gov.hk/ehtml/smart_1_1.htm
16:38.36Leedshttp://www.esdlife.com/campaign/adobe/software_license/eng/default.asp :-(
16:45.42Leedsibot change $3320 hkd to gbp
16:45.43mozrat-seeye69: yes!
16:46.03Leedsibot change 3320 hkd to gbp
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16:49.51mozrat-sehello Blissex
16:50.33Leedsmorning Blissex
16:51.01Blissexhi everybody, whatever time of the day is in your timezone or planet! ;-)
16:51.30mozrat-se1850
17:03.44mozrat-seEvolution auto saving emails is a real pain in the ass over VPN
17:03.52mozrat-sekeeps locking it up every 2 minutes
17:08.25mozrat-sebeb
17:08.26mozrat-sebrb
17:14.05JAVwell, it looks like "J2ME Books.rar" from ed2k has no relation with books neither with J2ME
17:15.46mozrat-seheh
17:52.32GeorgeI have a new power supply and a new battery
17:53.31Copeoooh,  you'll run nicely now
17:53.42GeorgeCope: yeah
17:53.54GeorgeCope: and I'm going to send the old one back under warranty
17:54.01George"THE THING FUCKING SET FIRE TO MY BED"
17:55.29GeorgeCope: 55 GBP for a new power supply :(
17:55.35GeorgeCope: and 89 GBP for a new battery
17:55.42Georgesometimes I hate apple
17:58.53wethrinheh
17:58.56wethrinyou suck
17:59.00Georgewhy?
17:59.05Georgebecause I set fire to my bed? :P
17:59.08wethrinyes
17:59.09Georgewell
17:59.14Leedsthat's what it says on the men's toilet wall
17:59.15Georgebecause plastic melted onto my bed?
18:02.49Georgeoh well
18:04.01Leedszzzz time
19:07.33Georgehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/4166854.stm
19:07.34GeorgeBWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
19:09.52wethrinheh
19:11.06wethrinHurrah! I've got RSS feeds to read properly
19:32.01murbwhat are you using as a reader?
19:32.48wethrinmagpieRSS
19:32.52gregjakregator just works
19:33.03wethringregj: I want to embed as part of a webpage
19:33.03gregjfor over year now
19:33.03gregj;)
19:33.08gregjoh
19:33.21gregjyou can write cgi in QT4 ;)
19:38.40wethrinPfff. I don't have control over the webserver
19:38.44wethrinOnly PHP available
19:52.30gregjhow can I find out about the file and what process opened it or uses it atm ?
19:52.38gregjlsof does something else, lists fils of process
19:52.42gregjI need reverse search
19:56.39wethrinfuser?
19:56.45gregjok
19:56.58wethrinmaybe
19:57.14GeorgeCope: it's a miracle!
19:57.21GeorgeCope: that IDE controller you gave me appears to still work
19:57.28GeorgeCope: it survived all that... malhandling :)
20:09.01GeorgeDisk Usage: 829.90gb/2112.72gb (39.28%)
20:09.03Georgemmmm
20:09.22wethrinPff. My disk's fuller than that
20:09.59Georgelol
20:10.07Georgenow to do some bad block tests on this disk
20:10.17wethrinAnd leave it running for 3 days?
20:10.32Georgeyes
20:10.37Georgethe disk is presumed defective
20:10.42GeorgeI need to test it
20:11.29Georgegregj: why?
20:11.33Georgegregj: I only have 9 :(
20:11.34wethrinGeorge: Just send it back
20:11.45Georgewethrin: nah, if I can not send it back that'd be good for me
20:12.07wethrinIsn't it on RAID-5?
20:12.19Georgewethrin: it's not one of my disks
20:12.21Georgewethrin: so no
20:12.26Georgewethrin: it's my father's disk
20:12.29wethrinOh right
20:12.36wethrinDoesn't he have backups?
20:12.38Georgewethrin: he bought a 300GB replacement... so I'm testing it to see if it's actually defective
20:12.45Georgewethrin: ...data is unimportante
20:12.45wethrinMm. Fair enough
20:12.48George-e
20:12.54gregjGeorge: well, just because of that :P
20:12.56wethrinoh?
20:13.04Georgewethrin: there's no data on it of any importance
20:13.10Georgewethrin: I just don't like sending stuff back if I can help it
20:13.47wethrinLazy bastard
20:13.49Georgeno
20:13.51Georgepostage costs.
20:14.14wethrinOnly £5 or so
20:14.18Georgeyes
20:14.19Georgethat's a lot.
20:14.45wethrinIt's not
20:14.48wethrinYou're a rich bastard
20:15.54George...
20:16.01Georgeonly because I don't waste money unnecessarily
20:17.04wethrinDidn't you buy a 55" LCD displya?
20:17.12Georgeno
20:17.14Georgedual 20"
20:17.23Georgeand I *STILL* don't have enough screen space
20:17.24Georgefucker.
20:23.14wethrinPfff
20:23.16wethrinYou suck
20:28.12Georgemy five disks should be arriving tomoz
20:32.49wethrinUhhuh
20:40.36Georgewhy is the temperature reading fluctuating between 31 and 37 degrees for this hard disk.
20:40.39Georgehow odd.
20:44.57Georgehow do I do a badblock check? :)
20:47.31Georgehrmm. 49 million blocks to check.
20:47.47wethrinGeorge: Under Linux, badblocks
20:51.19Georgei used e2fsck -c
20:52.39wethrinThat just calls badblocks
20:54.42Georgeyeah
20:54.46Georgebut it also gets the blocksize right
20:56.19Georgehrmm, according to my calculations... about 40 minutes
21:02.56wethrinEh. Blocksize is overrated
21:06.53Georgefoo
21:06.57Georgeyou're overrated :)
21:11.01wethrinI am!
21:12.58Georgeit seems hde is chucking about 50MB/s on average
21:13.00Georgeor rather, 47
21:13.01George'/win 29
21:13.03Georgewoops.
21:14.50wethrinHeh
21:15.22George;P
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21:27.00Copeaha
21:30.17wethrinhaha!
21:32.42George?
21:42.28Georgewethrin: fatso
21:42.42wethrinThanks
21:42.58Georgedone 34M blocks now
21:43.00Georgeout of 49M
21:44.55wethrinheh
21:53.51George40.6M out of 49.7M
21:55.51Georgeload average: 4.78, 2.22, 1.83
21:55.51George:(
21:56.18wethrinheh
21:56.31Georgesomehow...
21:56.38Georgemy hard disk access speed has dropped to 3MB/s
21:56.43Georgeand my system has become fecking sluggish
21:56.47Georgesomething's going on.
21:57.01Georgeide: failed opcode was: unknown
21:57.01Georgehde: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
21:57.01Georgehde: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=328839798, high=19, low=10072694, sector=328839762
21:57.04wethrinOops
21:57.04Georgethat would be it
21:57.26wethrinIndeed
21:58.07Georgeis bad block checking independant of filesystem?
21:58.17Georgewhen it marks them as bad, are they permanently marked as fucked?
22:00.08wethrinYes, I think
22:01.05Georgehrmm
22:01.05Georgeok
22:01.12Georgenice to know of your certainty :P
22:02.54JAVbad block is filesystem dependant, isn't it?
22:03.18wethrinWhy should it be?
22:03.22JAVthe marks are on the "fat" zone
22:03.31Georgefilesystems have different block sizes?
22:03.36wethrinYes
22:03.51Georgeyes
22:03.52GeorgeI know
22:04.02Georgebut wouldn't that make the bad blocks filesystem dependant?
22:04.18JAVuntil next format
22:04.35Georgeerk
22:04.45Georgeso if I were to format this disk again, the bad blocks would reappear?
22:04.46Georgehah
22:05.07Georgeload average: 7.77, 7.30, 4.72
22:05.14JAVi think it should be  re-checked
22:05.38JAVi think :D
22:05.54Georgegrumble
22:06.53JAVwhen you format it again do it fully, not the fast one
22:07.15Georgeok, apparently reformatting will lose the bad block list
22:07.43wethrinwho from?
22:09.26Georgescan, I think
22:10.38murbhaha
22:10.46George?
22:11.31wethrinscam
22:11.43Georgescan are good imho
22:11.48Georgenever had any trouble with them
22:11.50wethrinEven at returns?
22:11.53Georgeyeah
22:11.56Georgereturns were fine
22:12.13GeorgeI once bought a 5.1 speaker set... didn't like it so sent it back
22:12.14Georgeno trouble.
22:14.18Georgenice
22:14.26Georgethe drive is out of warranty according to maxtor.
22:14.28GeorgeBASTARD
22:19.32wethrinOops
22:21.51Georgeoh well
22:21.53Georgethat's that
22:21.57GeorgeI'll just leave it as it is
22:26.18wethrinwhat size disk?
22:26.21wethrinGet a Seagate
22:29.35resuDaedevening
22:30.32resuDaedI have gdm installed on a remote box, but is there any way to run it without actually having X running?
22:30.45resuDaed(as in to listen for remote logins)
22:31.17resuDaedor can anyone supply/sell/exchage for beer a sparc keyboard & mouse
22:33.51wethrinYou should be able to configure gdm to only listen on network ports
22:34.54Georgehrmm, I've been persuaded to write to apple telling them their quality control stinks
22:38.27resuDaedGeorge : I could have told you that
22:38.34Georgeyes, I know
22:38.40Georgebut it nearly burnt my bed and house down!
22:38.44GeorgeI LOVE MY BED
22:38.45George:'(
22:40.19wethrinhm
22:47.50GeorgeCope: get out
22:47.53GeorgeCope: MY BED
22:48.02Copeheheheh
22:48.13Copeits kinda cosey
22:48.18Copewanna join me?
22:48.20George...
22:48.25Georgewhere's laomao?
22:48.29Copedude
22:48.36Copedon't you keep up on the news
22:48.40Georgeno
22:48.42Copewe split up about 6 weeks ago
22:48.44Georgeibot: laomao
22:48.44ibotrumour has it, laomao is an old cat with a bad temper and sharp claws.  Mrs Cope
22:48.48Georgehrmm
22:48.49Georgeoh
22:48.53Georgewhat about wm?
22:48.55Georgeibot: wm
22:48.55iboti heard wm is an abbreviation for "window manager", but some people think it means "wmaker" (window maker), which is just one WM.
22:49.03Georgeor whatever his name is?
22:49.15Copeibot no laomao is the artist formely known as Mrs Cope
22:49.15ibotCope: okay
22:49.21Copeibot William
22:49.21ibotwell, william is probably either eating, or sleeping, or having his nappy changed, or bad at typing, or see 'creature'.  Wm, or approximately 18.2102 lb
22:49.32Georgeibot: creature
22:49.41Georgehurry up.
22:49.48Copeibot no William is the son of Cope... sadly unlikely ever to be seen again, in China.
22:49.48ibotokay, Cope
22:49.53GeorgeCope: in any case, get out of my bed :)
22:50.09GeorgeCope: oh :(
22:50.21Copethanks
22:51.10Copeibot no laomao is the artist formerly known as Mrs Cope, but no longer so :-(
22:51.10ibotokay, Cope
22:51.17Copeibot laomao
22:51.17ibot[laomao] the artist formerly known as Mrs Cope, but no longer so :-(
22:51.23Copeibot william
22:51.23iboti heard william is the son of Cope... sadly unlikely ever to be seen again, in China.
22:52.04Georgeoh well
22:52.13Georgeat least she didn't short circuit and nearly set fire to your beloved bed
22:53.04CopeI only had a camping mat in the corner of the server room
22:53.24George?
22:59.16Cope|
22:59.53George¬
23:28.04wethrinwheeeeeet
23:28.13Georgeeyup wetthy
23:28.36wethrinI got some XHTML and CSS to validate
23:28.41George..?
23:28.46Georgevalidator.w3.org
23:28.56wethrinYes. It validated
23:29.02Georgeso
23:29.03George?
23:29.37wethrinI'm very scared that I'm starting to like CSS and that stuff
23:30.29GeorgeCSS is nice
23:30.44wethrinIt was very scary, though. At least browsers are supporting it
23:31.10George:)
23:31.25Leedsokay, this is mad... can anyone get to gmail?
23:31.31GeorgeLeeds: hang on
23:31.49GeorgeLeeds: works here
23:31.58wethrinI can get to the front page, but don't have an account
23:32.13GeorgeLeeds: logged in... can see my emails.
23:32.19George73964 new emails.
23:32.23Georgenice.
23:32.57resuDaedLeeds : yes, I am in gmail
23:33.03wethrinDelete them all!
23:33.04Leedswhat URL?
23:33.14resuDaedhttp://www.gmail.com
23:33.22wethrinhttp://gmail.google.com works too
23:33.30resuDaed446 emails (none new)
23:33.48Leeds"
23:33.48LeedsServer Error
23:33.48LeedsGmail is temporarily unavailable. Cross your fingers and try again in a few minutes. We are sorry for the inconvenience.
23:33.48Leeds"
23:34.34wethrinhm
23:34.53resuDaedjust logged out and back in again no probs
23:35.38LeedsI've not been in since Saturday (it's Monday morning now)
23:36.38JAV64.233.183.107
23:36.38GeorgeLeeds: do you want to donate money to me?
23:36.48wethrinGeorge: Sell your monitors
23:36.52Georgeno
23:36.55Georgeabsolutely not
23:36.55wethrinyou cheap bastard
23:36.58Georgeunder no circumstances
23:37.04GeorgeI wub my monitors
23:37.06z00daxworks for me, from UK, US and Canada  ( gmail )
23:37.06LeedsGeorge: no, I don't
23:37.13GeorgeLeeds: :'(
23:37.32JAVI meant..   PING gmail.l.google.com (64.233.183.107)
23:39.41Leedsvery strange
23:40.36JAVmaybe geo-depending
23:41.05Leedsyeah... just trying to tunnel through Texas
23:42.27JAVhttp://colt.cache.el-mundo.net/elmundodeporte/cajas/elmundo_portada/imagenes/2005/08/alonsin-ef.jpg
23:45.23Leedsstill nothing even tunnelling through Texas
23:45.41wethrinLeeds: Maybe it doesn't want you to get your email
23:47.29LeedsI've deleted my cookies - it should be showing me a login screen
23:47.36JAVwhat ip does it resolve?
23:50.01Leedsokay, it's working from lynx
23:51.30Leedsno it doesn't - drops me back to the error page when I login
23:52.17rhoweLeeds: What do you expect for free? :P
23:52.31Leeds216.239.57.18
23:53.12JAVso the problem is in the server which holds your account
23:53.54JAV"sorry, but your mails were lost" :D
23:55.06Leedsvery strange
23:55.08JAVa similar ip here (without "www")

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