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00:10.13Leedsmorning
00:10.29rhoweBad Linux
00:10.41Leedswhat did Linux do to you?
00:10.59rhoweI was running mkisofs and it starved the NFS client of data
00:11.16rhoweWhich meant that the ISO image I was burning over NFS on the other box started stalling on read()s
00:11.21rhoweLuckily I had burnfree on
00:11.26Leedsoops
00:11.53rhoweWhich would make it 0810 on a Saturday too
00:12.22Leedsdo you have a particular reason for being awake so early?
00:12.31rhoweYeah, she's called Jia
00:12.48rhoweAlthough she fancies a lie-in as well, but I've said no :P
00:13.08Leedsah
00:13.16rhoweSo I told her 1030 at Kings X
00:15.38Leedswell, 1030 at kings X isn't amazingly uncivilised
00:16.44rhoweI didn't think so
00:16.59rhoweSince she travels from Walthamstow, it's about 40mins max. from her door
00:17.20Leedsnow, see, I don't speak French... or I don't claim to... so it's nice that I can actually understand an email like:
00:17.22rhoweand I travel from London Bridge, which takes me about 30-40mins to get to, plus 10-15 on the tube
00:17.24LeedsHello
00:17.25LeedsIl a fait beau à Genève. L'ambiance est bonne. A demain
00:17.25LeedsPatricia
00:17.34rhoweShe's happy
00:17.39Leedsso no need to be awake before 9 then :-)
00:17.52rhoweheh, I plan to have breakfast and a shower :P
00:18.25Leedsbreakfast, 10-15 minutes... shower/dressing, 10-15 minutes... out the house at 0930
00:19.11rhoweTransferring lots of clothes from floor to wardrobe (they're clean) another 10mins or so
00:19.11Leedswoo!  A torrent I've had running on and off for *weeks* has 33 minutes to go
00:19.28rhoweheh, bet there are no seeders left :P
00:19.30Leedswardrobes are overrated
00:19.32rhoweAnd you get stuck at 99%
00:19.50Leedsno seeds, but 2 distributed copies, and I'm at 99.7% already
00:20.02rhoweAh OK :)
00:21.08Leedsit stuck at 93.8% yesterday during the day - appears to have jumped on somewhat overnight :-)
00:23.22Leedsnow, I'm wondering when the right time will be to get annoying that the BBC can't tell the difference between "UK IP address" and "license payer"
00:25.17rhoweheh, they forbid access to certain things because you're not on a UK address?
00:26.00Leedsyup
00:26.22rhoweInstall an authenticated proxy server on a box in the UK :)
00:26.44LeedsI can do some nasty proxying if needed, at the moment, but it would be nice to be able to say "I'm a license payer, but not physically located in the UK right now - give me access"
00:27.19rhoweIt would, but it's certainly easier for the BBC to just filter on IP address :P
00:28.03Leedswell it would be easier for me to say "just because I happen to own a TV in the UK shouldn't mean I pay a fee if I can't access the services"
00:28.14JAVInternet with frontiers, great!
00:29.25LeedsJAV: I don't object in principle to limiting it - the whole point is that the BBC is paid for by (effectively) a tax, and they seem to have internalised the idea that they therefore shouldn't be trying to sell their content to people who've already paid for it
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00:42.53Copehello Leeds
00:45.37Leedsmorning Cope
00:46.25Leedsand... that torrent is done!
00:49.15rhoweand.. I'm going to sleep :P
00:49.17rhowenight all
00:49.40Leedsg'night
00:49.46Leedshave fun tomorrow
00:50.59JAVnight rhowe
00:51.39Copeany idea how to get gpdf to look less shit?
00:52.32JAVfunny spam tonight  --> "Curso Multimedia de Chino Mandarin" and in spanish!
00:53.28LeedsCope: use something else?
00:55.20Copewe've already established on the list that apart from interface, there is nothing else
00:56.03Leedsxpdf no good?
00:56.29Leedsor you could (possibly) just use acroread, of course
01:06.02Copexpdf == gpdf isn't it?
01:06.21Copeengine-wise
01:06.21Leedsnot as far as I know...
01:06.31Copeoh ok, I'll try it
01:06.33Leedsmaybe a branch
01:09.26Copeooh, it is better
01:09.32JAVreally?
01:11.53Copeyeah
01:11.53JAVI think It is faster, but gpdf renders better
01:12.02Copenot in this specific case
01:12.08JAVacroread is the best
01:12.25Copei have a doc I wanted to read, gpdf was so nasty to read I converted it using ps2text
01:22.30Leedspdftohtml is better
01:24.06JAV$ apt-cache search pdftohtml
01:24.07Copeacroread is good, I agree (having just obtained it)
01:24.07JAVpdftohtml - Translates pdf documents into html format
01:24.20CopeJAV: i did that last night
01:24.53Leedsit does a pretty good job of translating documents
01:24.55Copeah!
01:25.03CopeI got the name sligtly wrong
01:25.05Copepdf2
01:25.06Copegah
01:25.30Leedspdf2html is a different thing
01:26.14Copeyes
01:29.18Leedspdftohtml *is* the xpdf engine, but with an html frontend rather than motif
01:30.17Copei see
01:35.34JAVinteresting, it works quite well
02:30.03JAVme too
02:30.17JAVbye!
02:38.39Leedsnight
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06:47.38Georgeello
06:48.39stephenhola
06:52.06Georgeheh
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08:25.31Copeanyone vaguely awake?
08:43.53Leedsyes
08:44.16LeedsCope: yes :-)
08:46.01Copebah
08:46.21Copewell glad you're awake - you're very nice! But at this specific point, not helpful.
08:52.07murbmoin
09:02.42rhoweMornin'
09:04.44eye69Morning
09:04.50eye69*yawn*
09:04.53Leedseye69 not useful either :-)
09:05.04eye69What?!
09:05.09Leedsoh, and that Lost is a spectacularly inappropriate thing to show on a plane
09:05.36eye69Did they show that?
09:05.47Leedseye69: they did/do on Virgin
09:06.02eye69The complete idiot that decided to show that should be shot.
09:06.07LeedsI just bought a semi-dodgy DVD set of it
09:06.37Copewhat is 'lost'?
09:06.57eye69Cope: Some series about people on an island after a plane crash, I believe.
09:07.02eye69I've never seen it myself.
09:07.21Copeoh!
09:07.27LeedsI've only seen the first episode (or the first half of the two-part opening episode)
09:07.59Leedsmeant to be one of the best, if not the actual best, new shows on American TV last year
09:13.13Copehmm
09:27.59Leedsnope, just doesn't work
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10:19.30Leedswell, I've got as far as being able to tell that there's a TV plugged into the laptop... can't get it to display anything though
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13:32.26Georgemoo
13:32.27GeorgeMOO
13:32.28GeorgeOOM
13:33.35ebbeyes:)
13:33.40Georgehi
13:33.45ebbeyeshello
13:34.25ebbeyeswhat moo is that?
13:38.58murbebbeyes: as in apt-get moo
13:41.03ebbeyesnot emerge moo ?
13:41.28ebbeyesmOo
13:56.48new2unixcd /usr/ports/m0o ; make install clean
14:23.30new2unixpkg_add m0o
14:34.42ebbeyesall debian then ?
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14:36.18ebbeyeswb george
15:29.22Leedsgot my Apple laptop (running OSX) rather than my IBM laptop (running Linux) talking svideo - so I'm happy :-)
15:32.48ebbeyeslarry the cow
15:33.58Georgehey Leeds
15:37.04Leedsevening
15:37.10Leedsand hi ebbeyes
15:37.48ebbeyeshi leeds :D
15:38.16ebbeyesits good to be here :)
15:40.03Leedsglad to hear it
15:40.53ebbeyesthought i would find other linux users a bit closer to home
15:41.04Leedstar zxvf moo-1.1.tar.gz ; cd moo-1.1 ; ./configure ; make ; sudo make install
15:41.12Leedsuh - I doubt I'm close to your home
15:41.51ebbeyeswell same country in good
15:41.57ebbeyes<is
15:42.07Leedsdoubt you're in the same country as me :-)
15:42.44ebbeyesok heh
15:42.57ebbeyeschange of scene then ;)
15:43.13Leedsyeah - thought I'd see how the other half lived
15:44.22ebbeyesother haldf?
15:44.28ebbeyes<half?
15:44.42mozratallo
15:44.50Leedswell, other billion, I suppos
15:44.51Leedse
15:45.21ebbeyesother billion linux users?
15:45.28Leedsnope :-)
15:45.41ebbeyesok heh
15:45.49Leedsbillion Chinese
15:46.10ebbeyesnice ;)
15:46.51ebbeyeshow is it going with linux there ?
15:47.10Leedsnot amazingly well... Microsoft owns Hong Kong
15:47.43ebbeyesred flag linux right ?
15:48.17Leedsnot around here
15:49.11ebbeyeswell one day i hope :)
15:49.11Leedsapart from at the HK LUG, I've seen almost no signs of Linux whatsoever
15:49.50LeedsI'm doing what I can :-)
15:50.07ebbeyes:D
15:50.07Copeheh
15:50.10ebbeyeswow great :)
15:50.23ebbeyesdoes the goverment use it there ?
15:52.18Leedsaccording to netcraft...
15:52.34ebbeyesi heard all these things about how china making it standard
15:52.38Leedsprobably...
15:53.04LeedsHong Kong != China
15:53.57Leedsand for that matter, nowadays, China != a place where the government can/will mandate a particular software platform
15:54.10LeedsAFAIK
15:54.22ebbeyessee u later :)
15:54.45ebbeyesthanks guess all that hearsay just hype
15:55.33Leedsyou're off?  seeya
15:55.52ebbeyesnaw am stayin
15:56.03Leedsibot afaik
15:56.06ibotit has been said that afaik is some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, as far as I know.
15:56.18ebbeyeslol
15:56.27Leedsibot welcome ebbeyes
15:56.28ibotHowdy, ebbeyes!
15:56.41ebbeyes<PROTECTED>
15:57.29ebbeyesclever ibot
15:58.18Leedsanyway, in general, Hong Kong is *very* business-oriented, rather than community-oriented
15:58.35ebbeyesno red hat ppl ?
15:59.08LeedsI think there's a sales office, but it's probably just an agent
15:59.37mozratthis story always makes me chuckle >> http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/monkeys.txt
15:59.40Leedsof course i10n and l18n play a big part around here
16:00.49Leedslol
16:00.56ebbeyeslol thats good
16:01.04ebbeyesi10n ?
16:02.01Leedsibot i10n
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16:02.17Leedsfool
16:02.31ebbeyes<PROTECTED>
16:02.37Leedsibot i18n
16:02.38ibotmethinks i18n is an abbreviation for internationalisation, which is a really long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "I, then 18 more letters, then N", get it?
16:02.46Leedswrong way round!
16:02.49Leedsibot l10n
16:02.50ibotl10n is probably an abbreviation for localisation, which is a long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "L, then 10 more letters, then N", get it?
16:03.10mozratwow - /me didn't know that
16:03.11Leedsthat sort of stuff :-)
16:03.31Leedsmozrat: never heard the terms or never knew what they meant?
16:03.41ebbeyesi never heard it
16:03.44mozratheard of the terms a lot and I knew it was about locales
16:03.54mozratbut I thought it was some sort of standard
16:04.02mozratnot a quirky abbreviation
16:04.03Leedsheh, no
16:06.12ebbeyesfreevo just for movies and such?
16:06.27Leedsyeah
16:07.58Leedsebbeyes: http://www.info.gov.hk/digital21/eng/knowledge/opensource2.html
16:13.04Leedsargh
16:13.15ebbeyesnice read :)
16:13.28Leedsthe first official response to the government IT policy is from the BCS (Hong Kong branch)
16:15.49Leedsthe English is appalling (remember, English is a second language for most people here) but the Linux Industry Association response is interesting: http://www.ogcio.gov.hk/eng/digital/download/HKLinuxAssociation.pdf
16:18.41Leedsvery very angry men there....
16:18.41ebbeyessounds like tough road ahead
16:19.38ebbeyeswhat are you doing there ?
16:20.17Leedsmaking bras
16:20.51ebbeyeslol
16:21.09ebbeyeswell like sound of that :)
16:21.11LeedsI'm (almost) serious
16:21.49LeedsI'm not personally doing any sewing, but I am working for a bra company
16:22.18ebbeyesdesigning?
16:22.23ebbeyesthe IT?
16:23.18LeedsIT, not garment design
16:30.32ebbeyesthat kinda figures heh
16:31.07ebbeyesme being in a computer channel n all
16:31.25ebbeyeswhat the IT run on?
16:33.12Leedshead office in Hong Kong is NT/XP, SQL Server, MS Office, Exchange, custom VB...
16:33.48Leedsfactory in Sri Lanka is Domino and DB/2 on AS/400 with a bit of Access/VB on Windows
16:34.24ebbeyeswhat would you have it like if u had choice?
16:35.08Leedsuh...
16:35.23Leedswindows desktop I can handle...
16:35.43Leedsbut lots of Linux on servers would be nice :-)
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16:36.12ebbeyesyeah it would :)
16:36.20ebbeyeslot less probs for 1 :)
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18:52.06z00daxclear
18:57.35Copepresent
18:58.41CopeSee also: tput(1), terminfo(5)
19:13.15Georgehey Cope
19:14.02JAVevening!
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19:18.44Copehi all
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19:30.49new2unixhi Cope
19:39.58Copehello new2unix
19:54.09CopeEnlighten me.
19:59.08new2unixradio/podcasting type show for the bored. http://audio.textfiles.com/shows/binrev
20:00.09new2unixkilling time at the mo. Off to the movies at 11.30 to watch JetLi in Unleashed.
20:02.40Copecool
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21:17.07mozrat<PROTECTED>
21:17.21mozrathmm - let me try that again
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21:39.54Copeooh a mozrat
21:45.26wethrinA Cope!
21:56.53mozrathello both
22:17.03wethrin;-)
22:51.21Copegood morning
22:55.08wethrinNot yet
22:55.50wethrin5 minutes
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23:05.52wethrinPeanuts
23:07.12rhowewethrin: How's your vinum foo?
23:07.18wethrinheheh
23:07.20wethrinTry me
23:07.55rhowedrive topdrive device /dev/da1e
23:07.55rhowedrive bottomdrive device /dev/da2e
23:07.59rhoweLook good so far?
23:08.04wethrinyup
23:08.14rhowevolume home
23:08.14rhowe<PROTECTED>
23:08.14rhowe<PROTECTED>
23:08.14rhowe<PROTECTED>
23:08.14rhowe<PROTECTED>
23:08.21rhoweShould that create a mirrored /home?
23:08.43wethrinIt'll create a mirrored /dev/vinum/home
23:08.48wethrinIt's up to you to mount it as /home
23:08.53rhowe*nod* that's what I meant
23:08.59rhoweSo it looks OK to you
23:09.00rhowe?
23:09.00wethrinIf you use 'length 0' it'll use the entire size of the partition
23:09.02wethrinYup
23:09.04rhoweOh cool
23:09.08rhowelet me redo that then :)
23:10.04rhoweEver had FreeBSD's serial console lock up on you when you come to reconnect?
23:10.35wethrinNever used FreeBSD's serial console, so the answer is no
23:10.49wethrinBut Open's done that for me on this'ere machine
23:11.06rhoweAlpha?
23:11.06wethrinNot that I'm that bothered, really - the only time I'd need it is if the machine crashed, in which case it'd be power cycled first
23:11.11wethrinSparc
23:11.26rhoweOh well...
23:11.36rhoweCXZoZog (max 60 seconds) for system process `vnlru' to stop...stopped
23:11.45wethrinheh
23:11.45rhoweThat's the first line that appears in the serial console when I do a reboot
23:11.50wethrinyou're using FreeBSD/Alpha?
23:11.52rhoweI don't know what CXZoZog is :P
23:11.53rhoweYeah
23:11.56wethrinprobably nonsense
23:12.07rhoweFreeBSD/alpha SRM disk boot, Revision 1.0
23:12.24rhoweFreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE #0: Wed May 26 10:04:15 GMT 2004
23:12.34rhoweShould really upgrade it to 4.11
23:12.47wethrinIf 4.10 works...
23:13.00rhowe4.11 should too, but I just haven't read up enough on how to upgrade :P
23:13.10wethrinStick CD in; run an upgrade :)
23:13.18wethrinYes, but if it ain't broke
23:13.27rhoweI meant an in-place upgrade without media
23:13.52rhoweIt talks about using /stand/sysinstall, which is fine, but it also says that you shouldn't use the 4.10 sysinstall to install 4.11
23:14.02rhoweBut I haven't found any clues on how you go about upgrading sysinstall :P
23:14.20rhoweMy guess would be something like "download magic tarball and tar xzvf"
23:14.41rhoweAug 28 00:14:23 youju /kernel: vinum: home.p1 is faulty
23:14.43rhoweWhy?!!
23:15.03wethrinBecause you haven't initialised it yet?
23:15.17wethrinWhat happens if you run 'vinum l'?
23:15.33rhowehang on..
23:15.40rhoweJust checking the disk works
23:15.55rhoweOK, I changed the disklabel to 4.3BSD and newfs is running just fine
23:16.08wethrinright
23:16.08rhowe/dev/da2e    8.3G   2.0K   7.7G     0%    /mnt
23:16.38wethrinSo the disk is fine. To create a mirror, you basically need to initialise one of the disks, and then mirror onto the other one
23:16.42rhoweD topdrive              State: up       Device /dev/da1e        Avail: 0/8678 MB (0%)
23:16.45rhoweD bottomdrive           State: up       Device /dev/da2e        Avail: 0/8678 MB (0%)
23:16.51rhoweP home.p0             C State: up       Subdisks:     1 Size:       8678 MB
23:16.52rhoweP home.p1             C State: faulty   Subdisks:     1 Size:       8678 MB
23:16.57wethrinRight.
23:16.59wethrin'init home.p1'
23:17.02wethrinSorry, no
23:17.02rhoweoh :)
23:17.08wethrin'start home.p1'
23:17.16rhoweAug 28 00:17:02 youju /kernel: vinum: home.p1.s0 is reviving, not up
23:17.28rhowelet me newfs /dev/vinum/home
23:17.46rhowe(remembering -v )
23:17.48wethrin:)
23:17.58rhowethat one had me scratching my head for a while
23:18.30wethrinYou don't need it in FreeBSD 5
23:18.43wethrinso what does 'vinum lp' and 'vinum ls' give you?
23:18.45rhoweWhich means that you find instructions which have it and which don't
23:18.52wethrinheh
23:18.55rhowewhich is downright confusing!
23:19.06rhoweS home.p0.s0            State: up       PO:        0  B Size:       8678 MB
23:19.06rhoweS home.p1.s0            State: R 4%     PO:        0  B Size:       8678 MB
23:19.16rhoweDoes that mean it's 4% through mirroring p0 onto p1?
23:19.19wethrinYes
23:19.26rhoweI guess so.. the lights are solid on
23:19.34wethrinWhen it gets to 100%, you'll get a kernel message saying that it'sup
23:19.40rhowe6% :)
23:19.45rhoweCool :-D
23:19.53rhoweNow all I need to do is configure exim, courier and fetchmail
23:19.58rhoweand bind
23:20.12rhowethen I can use this machine as a desktop and mail can run on a real machine
23:21.11wethrinhurrah
23:21.46rhoweOnce it's all configured, I'll stick >128MB RAM into it as well
23:21.53wethrinarrrr!
23:22.44rhoweWonder how much you can stick in one of these.. I guess maybe 1.5G ((256*2)*3)
23:23.00wethrinmebbe
23:23.03wethrinGoogle :)
23:23.10wethrinWhat Alpha do you have?
23:24.48rhowe500Au
23:24.54rhoweInformation is somewhat sketchy
23:25.15rhoweBut it takes registered PC100 SDRAM DIMMs, in pairs. Probably ECC
23:25.36wethrin~google digital alpha 500au maximum memory
23:31.00rhoweheh, first hit says 1.5G like I thought
23:31.48wethrinright
23:31.51rhowewoo, 51%
23:33.03wethrinhurrah
23:33.03rhoweAnd yeah, ECC
23:33.07wethrin:)
23:33.27rhowehm, getmemorynow.com is offerring PC66
23:39.30wethrinNot so good
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23:45.28rhoweP home.p0             C State: up       Subdisks:     1 Size:       8678 MB
23:45.29rhoweP home.p1             C State: up       Subdisks:     1 Size:       8678 MB
23:45.38rhowewoo :)
23:47.39wethrinhurrah
23:47.49wethrin'vinum lv'
23:48.15rhowehm.. I'm playing at switching drives on and off
23:48.35rhowe-> start
23:48.36rhoweAug 28 00:47:41 youju /kernel: vinum: home.p0.s0 is stale by force
23:48.36rhoweAug 28 00:47:41 youju /kernel: vinum: home.p0 is faulty
23:48.36rhoweAug 28 00:47:41 youju /kernel: vinum: home is down
23:48.38rhowenot goodf
23:48.45rhoweFreeBSD just crashed :P
23:49.19rhoweAug 28 00:47:42 youju /kernel: vinum: drive bott
23:49.24rhoweThat was its last message :P
23:49.49rhoweLet's see what vinum thinks on bootup now
23:55.44rhowestart home.p1
23:55.45rhowefatal kernel trap:
23:55.45rhowe<PROTECTED>
23:55.45rhowehahaha
23:56.07*** join/#gllug z00dax_ (n=z00dax@82-69-174-158.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk)
23:56.54rhoweway to go vinum :)

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