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00:23.56*** topic/#gllug is Greater London LUG. Next meeting: probably September 2005; Web site: http://www.gllug.org.uk; Wiki: http://wiki.gllug.org.uk; Channel stats at http://www.jonmasters.org/irc/gllug; Pictures at http://gllug.org.uk/ircphoto.html [need new piccy's]
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07:24.48morsing'morning
07:39.05GeorgeHELO
07:39.29mozrat_hello George
07:39.36mozrat_&& morsing
07:39.46Georgemozrat_: hey
07:39.57mozrat_George: how is KDE camp?
07:39.57Georgebit difficult as I'm in Malaga
07:40.08Georgea bit shit. my laptop power supply blew up
07:40.15Georgeso I'm using freenx to my desktop at home
07:40.42mozrat_didn't it blow before you went (and set your bed on fire) or is this a second one?
07:40.48Georgeyes
07:40.50Georgesecond one
07:40.54Georgefailed after a week
07:40.59Georgethat's got to be a new record
07:41.03mozrat_nice
07:41.27Georgenot particularly
07:41.31GeorgeI plugged it into the socket
07:41.33Georgeit went "pop"
07:41.36Georgeand has never worked since
07:43.36Georgeand I'm a bit annoyed
07:43.51mozrat_I bet - Apple power supplies aren't cheap either
07:51.21Georgethey're shit
08:00.33mozrat_so whats the news from the KDE meet then?
08:13.12morsingMmm...
08:13.22morsingmozrat: Where do you work?
08:13.30mozrat_Paddington, W2
08:13.40mozrat_stones throw from the station
08:14.01mozrat_http://www.cmtww.com is the company I work for
08:15.11morsingAre you happy there?
08:15.51mozrat_Hmmm - fairly
08:15.54mozrat_why do you ask :)
08:16.04morsingWhat do you do?
08:16.30morsingDo you have any p595s?
08:16.34mozrat_Mainly IT Project - migrations, bringing little self contained offices onto peoples new networks
08:16.45mozrat_mainly Cisco, Lotus Domino, AD
08:16.47mozrat_some Linux
08:16.49mozrat_no UNix
08:17.19mozrat_You looking to move?
08:18.59eye69-wii mozrat_
08:19.03eye69Oops.
08:19.20mozrat_-wii ?
08:19.30mozrat_what does that do to me? :)
08:19.47eye69It was supposed to be /wii
08:20.44mozrat_hmm - that command isn't in irssi - is it just /whois?
08:21.43stephenit should be
08:40.17morsingIf I do a whois how can I tell which company registered the domain?
08:41.10wethrinWhich domain?
08:42.09wethrinNormally, look for line that says "Registrar:"
08:42.34wethrinOr possibly Registration Service Provider:
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08:45.06morsingvittrup.net and ef-frederiksbo.dk
08:45.23ebbeyeshi
08:45.27morsinghi
08:46.22eye69vittrup's with Joker
08:46.38morsingAnd the other one?
08:47.06morsingdk-hostmaster?
08:47.22eye69Well, yes.
08:48.03morsingOf course!
08:48.21eye69I don't know how the .dk TLD works, but .se is administrated by nic.se, but it doesn't act as a registrar.
08:48.44morsingAll .dk domains must be registered by dk-hostmaster
08:48.55eye69Only renewals are paid through nic.se
08:49.31eye69Ok.
08:50.08eye69Yuck, b-one.
08:53.36morsingDo you know them?
08:53.57morsingHe's really tired of them and is now moving to my server
08:54.54eye69They advertise heavily in Sweden. Very cheap, but it's a no-frills service. No database access AFAIK, and almost no support.
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09:12.00morsingGonzo!
09:12.13Gonzomoin
09:15.51rhoweroughly, rather
09:16.09rhowe"Hi. I popped into your office last week and saw that you have a shit photocopier. Can I sell you a new one?"
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09:16.40wethrinHehe
09:16.45wethrinIs your photocopier shit?
09:16.55rhoweit only scans in greyscale
09:16.59wethrinAhh
09:17.03rhoweBut apart from that, it's OK. It's a Canon iR2200
09:17.08wethrinMm
09:17.13rhoweHooked up to the network as a network printer and network scanner
09:17.25rhoweWe have an iR3100C in this office - they got our hand-me-down
09:17.30rhoweOurs does colour :)
09:17.33wethrinooh :-)
09:17.41wethrinRight. I need some advice quickly
09:17.47rhoweAlthough I've yet to see if sane handles such network scanners
09:17.48wethrinFor breakfast, should I have bacon+eggs, or toast?
09:18.13rhowewhat options do you have for toast coatings?
09:18.37wethrinEr. Marmite and Bierwurst
09:18.49rhoweBierwurst?
09:18.58eye69Marmite is so bloody disgusting.
09:19.15rhoweeye69: This is what I'm thinking
09:19.33wethrinPfff.
09:19.42wethrinRight. Okay.
09:21.46rhoweKorean pop group singing Jingle Bells
09:21.56rhoweAnd,.. Jingle Bell Rock
09:23.31eye69I'd say the "Korean pop group" part is just wrong.
09:24.03rhowehttp://siksai.co.uk/hidden/MP3/00Korean/As%20One/
09:24.32rhoweKorean pop groups are never wrong :P
09:29.59eye69Leeds: Thank you.
09:31.42wethrinFUCKERS
09:33.00Leedswethrin: they're not that bad
09:33.13Leedsibot change 20000 hkd to gbp
09:33.15wethrinLeeds: Yes. They stole my milk
09:33.20wethrinA NEW FUCKING PINT
09:33.29Leedsdo you have your own place?
09:34.17wethrinNo - student digs
09:34.42Leedsthen everything is communal
09:34.59wethrinSemi
09:36.34Leedsdoesn't matter if it is or it isn't - it's all communal
09:39.26wethrinYes, but petty theft still isn't acceptable
09:56.52Leedshmm... cousin read my gaim over my shoulder and saw me telling my mum about the Sri Lanka linux week...
09:58.14morsingHow are you wethrin?
10:05.30mozrat_wethrin: was it semi-skimmed?
10:05.33mozrat_bummer
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10:13.55mozrat_George: !
10:14.10Georgegrrr
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10:15.00mozrat_George: !
10:15.19Georgeok
10:15.22Georgeback
10:20.07mozrat_how is KDEworld?
10:22.54Georgefine
10:22.56George:)
10:23.15mozrat_any news to report?
10:23.51Georgecheck my blog?
10:23.56mozrat_ahh
10:27.53morsingMmm... blog
10:28.06morsingLeeds: Are you coming to the Italian for lunch?
10:28.08mozrat_My blog has died of neglect
10:31.37wethrinmozrat_: Yew. Semi-skimmed
10:31.47wethrinblogs suck
10:31.53mozrat_wethrin: :(
10:32.06wethrinYes
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10:43.03Leedshometime
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11:15.38Leedsinteresting letter arrived today from Bulldog...
11:16.16Leedsbasically says "we suck, we know it, and we're sorry"
11:18.06murbdoes it then say after that, we are really really sorry.
11:19.19Leedsonly one really
11:19.31Leeds"I am really sorry about that. You deserve better"
11:19.44ErwinIt's not you, it's me.
11:20.16Leedsfrankly, as long as they have actually cancelled my account, and don't bother chasing me any more for the money I owe them, I'm happy
11:21.02eye69Apparently they don't know you, since they say you deserve better.
11:21.45Leedshonestly, as long as they're happy to give me 6 months free service as an apology - I don't really mind what they say
11:23.43wethrinheh
11:26.27Leedsthe last payment I made to them was November last year... I cancelled at the end of July this year
11:27.45GeorgeAPPLE SUCKS
11:28.12GeorgeAPPLE JUST FUCKING SUCKS. SSSUUCCKK..    THEYIHATE THEM. HTHE BASTARDS. I HATE THEM ARRGHHHHHH
11:29.25gregjyuou suck
12:08.56morsing~seen jason_ukfsn
12:09.03ibotjason_ukfsn <n=jason@spc2-watf3-5-0-cust146.asfd.broadband.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 6d 43m 5s ago, saying: 'hm, I'll be back but I need to use a different computer in another room.'.
12:10.43morsingObviously he never made it back :-)
12:10.49morsingR.I.P.
12:12.05Georgemoo.
12:19.01morsingbaa
12:19.13Georgeoink
12:20.16mozrat_*miaow*
12:20.31GeorgeBARK
12:21.08morsingGoppdikGoppedik!
12:21.44Georgemoobaafooo
12:23.34mozrat_George: been taking Brave pills again have we?
12:23.35Georgedude
12:23.47Georgegregj may be big... er.. VERY big... but he's harmless! :D
12:23.52Georgehe likes his burger king too
12:24.18mozrat_could you outrun him?
12:24.28Georgeprobably
12:24.33Georgenot
12:24.35mozrat_go for it then :)
12:24.47Georgemozrat_: he's not in sight ;)
12:47.35Georgehe's also not as his computer, so I assume he's dead or something
12:49.02mozrat_Fair assumption
12:49.55George:)
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13:12.10mozrat_there is a plaque on the edge of the market here somewhere commemerating it
13:22.49mozrat_ewh - the "drawn" part of being hung drawn and quartered was rather unpleasant
13:24.37stephenis that where they cut you open and pull your internals out?
13:25.14stephenno actually, it's bound to be where they stretch you, surely?
13:26.54mozrat_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawing_and_quartering
13:27.08mozrat_it's where they cut your old chap off and burn him in front of you
13:29.21gregjGeorge: I am big ?
13:29.26gregjGeorge: fuck you
13:29.27gregjI am not bog
13:29.30gregjbig
13:30.15stephenmozrat_: ouch
13:30.26mozrat_stephen: exactly!
13:30.52mozrat_I would have screamed something other than "Freedom!" I can tell you
13:31.14stephenquite
13:32.19mozrat_gregj:  any photos from the KDE thing yet?
13:33.13gregjyeah
13:34.00gregjhttp://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Pictures+%40+aKademy+2005
13:36.08JAVgood afternoon
13:36.49mozrat_hey JAV
13:37.27wethringreg!
13:43.38morsingOuch
13:43.59wethrinyou coming to the pub on Thursday?
13:46.04gregjwethrin: wet dream
13:46.18wethrinheh
13:51.27Copewethrin!
13:51.37Copeshit - 3pm already! Yikes.
13:51.55Copemozrat_: where are you?
13:52.39mozrat_at the moment in St Johns Street opposite Smithfields Meat Market
13:52.56mozrat_Farringdon area
13:55.56wethrinCope!
13:56.00wethrinYou coming on Thursday?
13:59.32morsingwethrin: Which pub? Is it your birthday?
14:01.53mozrat_and attempts to push his phones handset through his skull
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14:03.02mozrat_'lo SlayerXP
14:03.05SlayerXPlo
14:03.13wethrinmorsing: Not sure, and no
14:03.23wethrinmorsing: I'm tempted to say the Founders Arms because it's nice
14:03.33morsingIn Aylesbury?
14:03.48wethrinAlthough I have to run off for about an hour just after 6, due to server upgrades
14:03.52wethrinmorsing: No. Aylesbury smells
14:04.24morsingwethrin: Just remembered I'm delivering my x330 to Exonetric Thursday evening.
14:04.27murbhow about Copenhagen or Bratislava?
14:04.36morsingCan't really make it.
14:04.39morsingHow about this weekend?
14:04.47morsingIn High Wycombe?
14:05.23murbhow about in Banska Bystrica tomorrow?
14:05.27wethrinmorsing: Ahhh - so you're one of the people that Mark said is putting things is
14:05.29wethrin*in
14:05.35wethrinmurb: No. Come to sensible place
14:05.45wethrinmorsing: So I'll see you at Exonetric
14:05.52murbwethrin: Bratislava is senisble atleast based on the beeer price.
14:05.56murbunlike Copenhagen
14:06.06morsingwethrin: What? What did he say and why will I see you there?
14:06.20morsingmurb doesn't know what he's talking about
14:09.40morsingwethrin?
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14:09.48morsingebbeyes!
14:12.24mozrat_oooh, compressed air can to clean my laptop - result!!
14:15.01wethrinmurb: But it's expensive to get to
14:15.12wethrinmorsing: He said he's got some customers installing kit
14:15.18wethrinAnd I'll see you there because I'm upgrading memory
14:15.21wethrinSo we can go to the pub afterwards
14:15.22murbwethrin: actually it is cheap.
14:15.26murbryanair now fly to their.
14:15.27wethrinmurb: Not from here
14:15.34morsingwethrin: Cool :-)
14:15.35wethrinYes, plus lots of money to get to STN
14:15.37murbhere is stansted.
14:15.39morsingBeer afterwards then?
14:15.47murbyou can fly to stansted, it is an airport
14:15.52wethrinmorsing: Yes.
14:16.00wethrinmurb: Costs a bit even with Sleayjet
14:16.09murbwethrin: go by bike.
14:20.08wethrinmurb: From Newcastle?
14:21.23murbi though you were in durham?
14:21.43wethrinYes, but Newcastle flies to STN
14:38.10wethrinYou coming on Thursday?
14:38.12Copeyes
14:38.20wethrinExcellent. What're you doing in the afternoon?
14:38.23CopeAvailable from about 1600
14:38.27Copemaybe a bit earlier
14:38.29wethrinAha
14:38.35wethrinExcellent. I'm going to be at Kings X at 1600
14:38.39Copegreat
14:38.56wethrinAnd should leave for Telehouse around 1815, for around an hour
14:38.59CopeI'll endeavour to meet you off your train, but will sms you if that becomes unlikely.
14:39.28wethrinEeexcelllent
14:39.39wethrinWell, I think it's 1555, or 1557, or some silly time like that
14:39.43Copewhen is pub activity scheduled?
14:39.57wethrinIt's not yet. How about we head down to the Founders Arms and get some beers in?
14:40.08Copesounds like a fine idea
14:40.09wethrinNice and easy from Kings X - just get Thameslink down to Blackfriars
14:40.18wethrinYou do have a travelcard,  I presume?
14:40.18Copeso beers before TH?
14:40.25wethrinYarr
14:40.28morsingwethrin: Eh? Telehouse? That's not the instructions I got
14:40.38wethrinmorsing: No? What's the instructions you got?
14:40.42wethrinrightho
14:40.45CopeI will have a car in the afternoon, though.
14:40.51wethrinbah. cars suck
14:40.56CopeTrue
14:41.01wethrinSpecially in London
14:41.06Copeindeed
14:41.11CopeI'll consider what to do
14:41.29Copebut take it as read that I'm aiming to meet you at 1600 at KX
14:41.51wethrinRightho. Excellent. Be somewhere visible, though, as KX gets rather crowded
14:41.53morsingwethrin: Damn. It is actually the directions I have.
14:41.58wethrinmorsing: Ha :-P
14:42.07morsingHow am I going to get a server to London City?!?
14:42.08wethrinOn your head, sir!
14:42.11wethrinmorsing: Under your arm
14:42.19wethrinIs it a 1U?
14:42.30morsingwethrin: Yes
14:42.34Copeeasy peasy
14:42.35morsingDamn!
14:42.50morsingwethrin: Can we meet at Kings X?
14:42.57wethrinmorsing: If you're there at 4, yes
14:42.59morsingOr somewhere?
14:43.11wethrinmorsing: Otherwise come along to the Founders Arms
14:43.12morsingI'll be there at 1815
14:43.19wethrinAt the FA?
14:43.25CopeFA++
14:43.33wethrinYes. I hope the weather will be good
14:43.42Copeon thursday? questionable
14:43.57Copeglorious today though - been out in the garden, reading.
14:44.08wethrinDamn them. Why does the weather always have to be bad whenever I want to go to the FA?
14:44.38Leedsslightly confusingly, one of my local supermarkets here is selling Waitrose own-brand stuff...
14:45.05wethrinokaaaay
14:46.41morsingFA?
14:46.54morsingwethrin: Which station should I go to?
14:47.43wethrinmorsing: Founders Arms
14:47.56morsingLiverpool Street?
14:48.16wethrinmorsing: for what? If you're not coming to Kings Cross, come to Blackfriars, go across the bridge and then down to the left until you get to the pub (which you've been to before)
14:48.59morsingLiverpool Street is on Hammersmith & City?
14:49.05morsingOr Circle line?
14:49.08wethrinYes.
14:49.11wethrinBoth
14:49.21wethrinAnd Metropolitan
14:49.25wethrinBut why would you go there?
14:49.37morsingTo drop of my server
14:49.53Leedsoh, and my cousin, who has had rotten luck over the past few years, is doing a tour of the US... and is currently hunkered down somewhere near New Orleans, safe, but without power
14:50.27morsingHelp
14:50.50morsingwethrin: Is it the docklands one?
14:51.02CopeI think so
14:51.33wethrinmorsing: East India
14:51.38wethrin(DLR)
14:51.58morsing*sigh*
14:52.30Copemorsing: East India / All Saints
14:52.33Georgemoomoo
14:52.39morsing*Gnnnfnfnnnnnn*
14:53.11Copemorsing: there's also a very convenient bus from canary wharf which drops you almost outside the gates
14:53.33eye69I think morsing's head is about to explode.
14:53.53morsingIt is. Have you got any idea what a nightmare this is?
14:54.10Copebecause its an annoyingly meandering walk from East India, over the bridge, past the swans, and around the fences to the security entrance.
14:54.14wethrinmorsing: Come along to the pub first and we'll go together
14:54.20Copeyes
14:54.22Copegood idea
14:54.33Copewe can share carrying too, so no-one gets too tired
14:54.36mozrat_and so endeth the conference call after a mighty 1hour and 45 minutes
14:54.46mozrat_my eyes are bleeding
14:54.49wethrinYeah - I've only got a nice light thing to carry
14:54.50Georgebah
14:54.51Copemozrat_: where are you?
14:54.55GeorgeApple want my laptop
14:54.56GeorgeTHE BASTARDS
14:54.58stephenpfft, I've carried 2U servers from TH to East India before, almost killed me
14:54.59wethrinhah
14:55.02mozrat_Farringdon
14:55.16wethrinmozrat_: are you coming to the pub on Thursday?
14:55.31Copeyeah, mozrat_, come to the pub, you rascal!
14:55.56mozrat_the 8 ball says "You've been paid so why not!"
14:56.36Copewicked!
14:56.45Coperight - off to have fun
14:56.50Copesee y'all later
14:57.46mozrat_me too - byebye
14:59.55wethrinexcellent
14:59.56wethrinbye
15:00.59morsingwethrin: I can be at the pub at about 1900h
15:01.38wethrinmorsing: I thought you're going to be at 1845 at Telehouse
15:01.42morsingI can't believe Mark tricked me!
15:02.00morsingwethrin: No - I was going to be in Guildford at 1900h
15:02.09morsingNoone ever mentioned Telehouse
15:02.29morsinghttp://www.exonetric.com/contact/index.html
15:06.58wethrinmorsing: Guildford is where Exonetric is based, but their hosting is in Telehouse
15:07.03eye69Argh. I'm literally falling asleep in the office.
15:08.42morsingwethrin: Reason being?
15:08.49morsingTo annoy their customers?
15:09.00morsingMaybe they should be more clear about that
15:09.24wethrinmorsing: No, because Telehouse offers good hosting
15:09.39wethrinAnd Exonetric is a consultancy - the colo stuff only helps pay the bills
15:10.03morsingSo why didn't I go directly to Telehouse?
15:11.56wethrinMaybe you should - I'd email to ask him
15:12.06wethrinAnyway - I'm off for coffee - back soon
15:12.12morsingMmm... coffee
15:31.41rhoweUnless the pub is in Sweden
15:45.02wethrinbad rhowe
16:04.14mozrat_*sigh*
16:04.36mozrat_why do I have this emotional attachment to evolution - I hate it, I hate it, I hate it
16:04.48mozrat_it makes my life harder but I won't throw it away
16:05.01mozrat_I don't particulary like Thunderbird - what else is there
16:05.15wethrinheh
16:05.17wethrinmutt!
16:05.30mozrat_I used mutt for a while with fetchmail and a local MTA
16:05.41wethrinYou can get it to talk imap and pop
16:05.45mozrat_but it's a bit clunky to have to do that to read your mail
16:05.56mozrat_and it's uberslow in IMAP mode isn't it?
16:06.01wethrinNo idea. I use POP
16:06.16mozrat_Hmm - POP isn't really a good option for me
16:06.28wethrinPOP without deleting messages
16:07.08mozrat_you're using POP within mutt?
16:07.45wethrinYup
16:07.51wethrinBut I delete messages
16:08.01wethrinThe documentation isn't too hateful
16:08.11wethrinIt hates you
16:08.39wethrinMmmm. Cute girls.
16:08.41mozrat_curvy!
16:08.45wethrinhurrah!
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16:08.58Georgewhat's /etc/userdb?
16:09.00wethrinMmmm. PIE
16:09.10wethrinDunno. man 5 userdb
16:09.52Georgeuseless bastard
16:10.13mozrat_why is mutt dependant on exim?
16:10.17mozrat_stupid apt
16:10.18wethrinIS it?
16:10.23wethrinIt shouldn't be
16:10.27mozrat_only in Debian/Ubuntu
16:10.27wethrinBut Debian's broken, so....
16:10.31wethrinheh
16:10.37wethrinMaybe Ubuntu is broken
16:10.44mozrat_I'm using Ubuntu
16:10.49pieHello all!
16:10.51wethrinAhh
16:10.55mozrat_but I think the dependancies would be the same in Debian
16:10.59wethrinpie: Come to the pub on thursday!
16:11.00pieI have an easy Debian (well, apt) question!
16:11.03mozrat_and I'm rather glad SlayerXP isn't her
16:11.06mozrat_here*
16:11.06wethrinheh
16:11.11piewethrin, is this pub in Manchester?
16:11.17wethrinpie: No, in a sensible City
16:11.27mozrat_pie - is your question "Why is mutt dependant on exim"?
16:11.30wethrinMy filesewer has exim installed because Debian decided It Was So
16:11.43piemozrat, that was my next question.
16:11.59mozrat_pie - if it is then I'm sorry but i do not know
16:12.11pieHow do I peg the version of debian that apt tries to use (to 3.1?)
16:12.24piewethrin, Manchester is a silly place!
16:12.27wethrinIt is
16:12.41wethrinEr - do appropriate fiddlings in /etc/apt/sources.list
16:13.24piewethrin, There is a config option to set the version ('stable') or whatnot that it will use.
16:13.51wethrinProbably
16:13.58wethrinI don't upgrade
16:14.03piebut I have forgotten
16:14.18wethrinah
16:14.48stephenpie: after the URL, put the word stable
16:15.29stephenpie: or run apt-setup again, which will walk you through the process
16:18.13piestephen, the stable version has changed no?
16:18.37stephenyer, a month or two ago
16:19.04pieAnyone here have a bytemark Machine and sucessfully updated to the latest version of stable?
16:19.29mozrat_me sir
16:19.40pieHow did it go?  Any problems?
16:19.54mozrat_not that I remember
16:20.01pieHow did you go about it?
16:20.07mozrat_I talked to them first and they said they had had a few people do it
16:20.13mozrat_they even offered to do it for me!
16:20.20pie!
16:20.23mozrat_i know
16:20.48mozrat_I just changed sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
16:20.50mozrat_no funnies
16:21.05mozrat_it wasn't being used for much at the time but it all went OK
16:21.18pieWhat did you change them to?  Gat copies of the new files available?
16:21.55mozrat_my current sources.list is
16:21.56mozrat_sm@mozrat01:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
16:21.56mozrat_deb http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/debian/ stable main non-free contrib
16:21.56mozrat_deb http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free
16:21.59mozrat_deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
16:22.06piethanks
16:22.15mozrat_sm@mozrat01:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
16:22.15mozrat_3.1
16:22.55pieHere goes :)
16:23.01wethringood luck!
16:23.22pieThanks!
16:23.32Leedsevening pie
16:23.36pieEvening :)
16:23.58piePretty speedy, it has finished getting all the packages :)
16:24.06pieFetched 149MB in 1m12s (2054kB/s)
16:37.31wethrinThat's fairly nippy
16:43.28mozrat_Hmmmm, metal
16:44.27mozrat_right - hometime
16:44.31mozrat_see you all later
16:44.34wethrincya
16:49.04Georgehrmm
16:49.57pielater
16:50.12wethrincya pie
16:50.26pieum, later mozrat I meant :)
16:50.46wethrinoh right. You're a bit late :)
16:51.07pieYeah, watching the upgrade
16:51.35pieWhat, you are an orange avoider?
16:52.56wethrinNo. I'm a customer
16:53.03wethrinThey're supposed to have sent me SIM updates, but haven't
16:55.27Georgeanyone know much about apache2?
16:55.36GeorgeI've got an htpasswd/htaccess pair
16:55.41Georgein a directory
16:55.45wethrinBut it doesn't work?
16:55.45Georgeapache prompts me for the pass
16:55.49GeorgeI type in the pass
16:55.50wethrinaha
16:55.53Georgeand it keeps telling me it's wrong
16:55.59GeorgeI've set the password using htpasswd2
16:56.03wethrinHave you got the correct AuthType?
16:56.32Georgedunno
16:56.53Georgeit's AuthType Basic
16:57.38wethrinSo you'd need a CRYPT of the password, rather than MD5 or SHA1
16:58.33Georgeoh
16:58.37Georgeme shuts up, it's not working
16:58.41Georges/not//
16:59.03wethrinwhat was wrong?
17:00.49Georgeit was a generic htaccess file from postfixadmin
17:00.57Georgethe path to the corresponding htpasswd was broken
17:03.52wethrinAhh
17:03.59wethrin:-)
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17:48.24Leedsmorning zachary and good night :-)
17:55.18zacharymoin Leeds & g'night.(talk about your quickies!)
18:11.08*** part/#gllug zachary (n=zachary@ip70-174-74-114.hr.hr.cox.net)
18:12.33Jango<wethrin> They're supposed to have sent me SIM updates, but haven't
18:12.35Jangome too
18:12.38wethrinHeh
18:13.53mozrat_pie did you update work OK?
18:14.01mozrat_I might wipe my bytemark server and start again tonight
18:14.15mozrat_there's a control panel for such a thing
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18:18.07mozrat_hey Catalyst
18:18.14Catalystheya
18:18.20mozrat_howsyou?
18:20.05Catalystpretty good :)
18:20.21Catalystmade some new friends from working at uni over the summer, which be nice
18:20.25Catalysthow goes round here?
18:22.14mozrat_good hear
18:22.17mozrat_umm
18:22.18mozrat_here
18:23.48Catalyst\o/
18:23.50Catalystanywhere
18:23.53Catalysthow are you? :P
18:24.56mozrat_good!
18:25.08mozrat_how long do you have left at uni?
18:30.37Catalystwell, 2 and a half more weeks working this summer, then 3 more years of actual degree stuff
18:30.54Catalystcomputer science at soton :)
18:31.08mozrat_Cool
18:31.53wethrinHa. Computer Science
18:32.59murbwith home economics and sewing join honours?
18:33.19mozrat_Grumpy old me you two are
18:33.24mozrat_s/me/men
18:33.34wethrinmurb: Hmm. I think you know full well
18:33.35mozrat_why does nothing I write on IRC make sense until I correct it?
18:33.45wethrinIt's mozratism
18:33.54mozrat_hee-hee
18:35.54Catalyst:D
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18:36.10mozrat_grrrrr - people who moan that the asterisk server i put in for them doesn't work and then I see 2 phones with the same extension configured
18:36.21mozrat_ibot lart these kind of people
18:36.33murbmozrat_: clearly you faild to sufficently train them.
18:38.06mozrat_murb - yes
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18:41.19mozrat_I actually wrote some Python-LDAP scripts so they could just enter info in Active Directory and I'd take care of the rest
18:41.27mozrat_maybe I need a few more idiot traps in there
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19:34.39wethrinheh
19:34.56new2unixHi wethrin.
19:35.28wethrinhi new2
19:40.35mozrat_George: !
19:40.50Georgemozrat_!
19:41.47wethrinha ha
19:42.46Georgewhat?
19:42.53George¿what?
19:42.53GeorgeÑP
19:43.03wethringah
19:43.33George¿what?
19:43.42wethrinStop with your UTF8 shit
19:44.24Georgedude, I'm on an esespañol keyboard!
19:44.29Georgeermm
19:44.35Georgethat'd be español
19:45.05wethrinITYM español
19:45.27Georgemoocowman
19:45.43wethrinNo a-twiddle, plus/minus
19:45.48wethrinHateful UTF8
19:52.13mozrat_George: what is the plan for tonight?
19:53.33Georgefood.
19:53.35GeorgeFOOD.
19:53.37GeorgeFOOOOOOD
19:54.05mozrat_being social?
19:54.14Georgeno
19:54.14mozrat_SOCIAL?
19:54.15Georgejust eating
19:54.19mozrat_SOOOOCIAL?
19:54.25mozrat_bah
19:54.39mozrat_for a clever young chap you have much to learn
19:55.30Georgeno, no I don't
19:56.29mozrat_I thought rsync had an option not to replicate deletions on the source to the dest
19:56.38mozrat_I can't find it in the man page
19:59.58GeorgeMOO
20:00.05George<PROTECTED>
20:03.39mozrat_dimesions of what?
20:08.15wethrinmozrat_: rsync by default will not delete
20:08.17Georgemy X
20:09.37mozrat_wethrin: ahh, I was looking for the invisible option
20:09.43mozrat_what a dofus
20:09.52mozrat_have fun at the pub
20:23.07JAVhello
20:24.23JAVGeorge: I'm also on an español keyboard!
20:26.53Georgeyeah, well, I'm now on a spanish keyboard with an en_GB layout
20:39.39Georgehttp://static.kdenews.org/jr/akademy-2005-group-photo.jpg
20:39.40Georgespot the G
20:41.35JAVhey! look!
20:41.47JAVwait, no idea :D
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20:44.51GeorgeI'm hidden pretty well
20:45.18JAVlet's play "who is who" :)
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21:03.20new2unixIs George and JAV G spotting?
21:06.29JAVno! whatever that means :)
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21:08.58BlaptoHi, can anybody read this?
21:11.00JAVBlapto: yes
21:11.14new2unixdepends: is it written in invisible ink?
21:12.04BlaptoHooray, on irc via wap from portugal
21:12.38z00daxvia Wap ?
21:12.39new2unixexcellent. what device?
21:13.54BlaptoNokia 6230 via wap.steike.com
21:16.31BlaptoIt also has a nice e.mail client built in. Now i just need to find that msn over irc thingum
21:18.19z00daxhttp://jmirc.sourceforge.net/ <-- I've used this over a gprs link. works quite well
21:19.19BlaptoI'll try that now
21:20.30z00daxhttp://www.agilemobile.com/agile_messenger.html <-- works for yahoo, msn, icq, aol
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21:26.46ufo`gevening
21:26.52ufo`mozrat_: are you alive?
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21:27.54BlaptoAh, this is nice
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21:29.07ufo`Did anyone know what's happening with my friend mozrat ?
21:29.13BlaptoBloody hell, tabs as well.
21:29.49ufo`I'm trying to catch him during last month .... and nothing
21:29.53ufo`holidays?
21:29.58BlaptoUfo, in what way?
21:30.07ufo`on irc, msn ....
21:30.26Blaptoibot seen mozrat
21:30.32ibotmozrat <i=mozrat@silenceisdefeat.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 1d 12h 37m 35s ago, saying: 'old irssi file:)'.
21:30.40ufo`:)
21:30.55ufo`I'll try tomorrow, I'm going off to bed now, almost midnight
21:30.56ufo`bye
21:31.08BlaptoBye
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21:42.15bsdqed_wMe too from K750i.
21:44.19bsdqed_wSigning off. g'night guys
21:45.09bsdqed_w/Quit this is way cool
21:45.55bsdqed_w/quit thats better
22:05.12mozrat_ibot mozrat is also ALIVE!!!
22:05.14ibotmozrat_: okay
22:05.25mozrat_ibot mozrat
22:05.27ibotit has been said that mozrat is a geek, or pissed, or not morsing  ALIVE!!!
22:05.29Georgenew2unix: where G is George
22:06.06mozrat_George: are you alive?
22:06.36Georgeyes, yes I am
22:06.40Georgewe're pondering ordering pizza
22:06.52Georgeand I have a funky free opensuse cap
22:06.54Georgewoo for me
22:07.13mozrat_nicee
22:08.33mozrat_this shell account is so damn laggy
22:09.57GeorgeTIME FOR FOOOD
22:10.57mozrat_hhahah http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4196682.stm
22:11.13mozrat_self important nobody told to leave UK
22:11.38mozrat_if you know you are breaking the terms of your visa by packing in your job some would say going on reality TV is not a good idea
22:14.31Copemozrat_: For the 3rd time of asking....
22:14.33Copewhere are you?
22:15.50mozrat_Mr Cope
22:15.59mozrat_the first time you askedI was in Farringdon
22:16.11mozrat_as I was the second time you asked about 7 minutes later
22:16.17mozrat_now I am in Elm Park
22:16.59mozrat_Tell me the reason for this persistant and baffling questioning
22:19.27mozrat_it really is most peculiar
22:25.51mozrat_ARGHH - I've broken rhyrmbox
22:26.02mozrat_rhythmbox
22:26.06mozrat_it segfaults everytime
22:26.29Copemozrat_: you said something about William Wallace
22:26.38mozrat_yes
22:27.08mozrat_he was executed in Smithfields market
22:27.54Copeinteresting
22:28.17mozrat_neither did I until I walked through there and read the history boards
22:28.30mozrat_it is in an interesting place
22:28.45mozrat_their lunchtime is about 8 am
22:29.01mozrat_and you often find the pubs packed at that time
22:29.13mozrat_if you ever fancy a pint for breakfast its the place to go
22:36.45Copemozrat_: is there anywhere cheap/free to park a car at your office?
22:36.49mozrat_and of course great beef dinners in the local cafe
22:37.05mozrat_Cope for a once off I can get you a pass
22:37.21mozrat_or do you mean on a regular basis
22:37.25Copeno only once
22:37.31mozrat_what time of day?
22:37.35Cope3.30ish?
22:37.45mozrat_should be OK
22:39.04mozrat_no probs - catch me that morning somehow
22:39.17mozrat_or you can call me when you are coming over
22:39.21Copemk
22:43.18mozrat_nn cope
22:54.50CopeHaving concatenated himself there once a day for several months....
22:55.00mozrat_I should be so lucky
22:55.58mozrat_mrs Mozrat having grumpily declared herself ready for bed now proclaims herself not quite so ready
22:56.04mozrat_Hmph
22:56.13Copeheh
22:56.37Copehttp://www.livejournal.com/users/xiao_yang/16732.html
22:57.44mozrat_Ooh, very nice
22:58.04Cope£2500.00 a pair
22:58.27mozrat_wowsers
22:58.38mozrat_you're listening to them?
22:58.46Copeyes
22:58.49Copein my room now
22:58.52mozrat_you own them?
22:58.57CopeNot yet....
22:59.01mozrat_heh
22:59.18CopeI've abused my position within the hifi community
22:59.27mozrat_I hope I'm not storing your car after a bank robbery on Thursday
22:59.30mozrat_ah
22:59.36Copegiven that I used to sell dozens of them, and am well known in the industry...
22:59.49Copeoccasionally I am allowed to 'borrow' stuff
23:00.18Copethey do sound very good :-)
23:00.20mozrat_well in fact I did know you used to sell hi-fi kit
23:00.27mozrat_what are you listening *to*?
23:01.18Copeumm, right now, computer fans, as I just took off a record
23:01.51mozrat_Hmmmmm, stupid ipodder software insists on only installing into /opt
23:01.56mozrat_thats a bit silly
23:02.06mozrat_it's hardcoded in a couple of places
23:03.54CopeThis is redberry joy town!
23:05.30mozrat_Hmm - the chances of me getting to see Maiden on Friday in my allocated budget seems remote
23:05.57Copeoh?
23:06.17mozrat_It's their last gig in their tour
23:06.23mozrat_in Hammersmith
23:06.41mozrat_apparently :(
23:06.45Copebah
23:07.09mozrat_more than I'm going to pay - I was looking at about £45max - the eBay tickets are all around there now
23:07.27mozrat_and i think they'll shoot up tomorrow
23:07.40Copeblah
23:07.46Copegloomy news
23:08.00mozrat_oh well - next year
23:09.17mozrat_OK - I shall take the bull by the horns so to speak and go to be
23:09.21mozrat_bed*
23:09.41mozrat_She's not showing signs of movement
23:09.45Copelol
23:09.49Copesee you soon
23:09.50Copenn
23:09.57mozrat_nn
23:16.59wethrinFoo
23:18.09Coped
23:18.25wethrinYum
23:18.29wethrinI had beer
23:19.01Copemmm
23:19.04CopeI had wine
23:19.08wethrinWas it nice?
23:19.15Copeyes
23:19.19Copejolly yummy
23:20.24wethringood good
23:24.51new2unixonly
23:25.06new2unixok. maybe a little more than just a sslip
23:25.18new2unix*sip
23:26.02JAV#gllug-booze
23:26.44new2unixWethrin: thanks for earlier. problem fixed. was an oversight. dodgy Server 2003 in vmware.
23:27.00wethrinahha. Fair enough
23:27.04wethrinJAV: That goes without saying
23:27.09wethrinA slip of Brandy?
23:27.47new2unixRemy here. was a gift for a "job well done". Dont ask.
23:28.00wethrinRemy? That was your brandy?
23:28.11new2unixremy Martin
23:29.09CopeVSOP
23:29.12wethrinmeans nothing
23:29.18wethrin~vsop
23:30.10new2unixwethrin is a liquor noob.
23:30.11Copeibot vsop is Very Special Old Pale - usually used of Brandy.
23:30.13ibotCope: okay
23:30.59wethrinahh
23:31.18wethrinMeh. I likes the whiskies and the ports. Never tried brandies. Only had one madeira
23:31.34wethrinSo if anyone feels like donating bottles to the booze-wethrin-up foundation....
23:32.59wethringo on, Cope. You have a highly paid job :-P
23:35.52new2unixG'night all.
23:36.12Leedsg'night new2unix
23:58.12Leedswhy over me and not at me?
23:59.21wethrinWhy not?

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