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00:01.07Leedsbecause all you've managed to do is get the wall behind me wet
00:02.26wethrinMuahaha
00:05.07Leedswhat did that wall ever do to you, huh?
00:06.19wethrinIt stopped me!
00:06.47Leedsit's thousands of miles away from you! (good throw with the water, BTW)
00:07.07wethrinThanks!
00:14.46JAVbedtime! Good bye all
00:15.30z00daxme too, there is a bed here, might as well use it
00:17.10wethrinnn
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00:56.46Leedsworktime!
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05:36.19new2unixmoin all
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06:34.15Leedsmorning new2unix
06:41.14Leedsibot change 3399 hkd to gbp
07:15.31Leedsmorning eye69
07:16.20eye69Morning
07:16.33rhoweLeeds: Oh, there's a Gnumeric developer in HK, btw
07:16.37rhoweLeeds: He does the win32 port
07:16.53rhoweLeeds: irc.gnome.org/#gnumeric - 'ivan'
07:19.01Leedswin-what?
07:20.26rhoweheh
07:20.26rhowe08:19 < ivan_lab> rhowe: recently I love BoA's "Girls on Top"
07:20.36rhoweWhat can I say? The man has taste :P
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07:54.19Leedsoh lord
07:54.31Leedssorry, had to go off and examine some bras
07:57.25Leedshmm... my moinmoin here seems to be doing something I've not noticed it doing before - but it could be the sessionsaver firefox plugin... it's taking me back to the last page I was on, rather than the front page, when I just go to /wiki
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07:58.56morsing'morning
07:59.01Leedsshalom morsing, stephen
07:59.28morsingI've connected minicom to a switch but it can only recieve, not send?!?
07:59.33morsingHow's that possible?
08:00.01morsingWhen I turn on the switch, stuff appears and it says Hit enter twice, but it doesn't react to anything
08:00.28mozratmorsing: 9600 baud?
08:00.39morsing9600n8
08:00.40mozrat8 bits, flow control = none
08:00.57mozratstrange
08:02.17Leedsdoes your minicom think it's offline?
08:02.36morsingLeeds: It does say offline yes. How do I change that?
08:02.59Leedsuh...
08:03.14Leedscan't remember :-)
08:03.24mozratCtrl+A
08:03.35mozratand then whatever character gives you help!
08:03.41Leedsz
08:07.12ufo_hey mozrat :)
08:07.30Leedsdata entry - was really easy: just sat there and hit the N button repeatedly
08:07.39mozratUFO!!
08:07.41mozrathello
08:07.52mozratyou were looking for me last night and I was here but not paying attention
08:08.15mozratibot timesheets suck ass
08:11.56Leedsibot timesheet
08:12.08Leedsibot damn you
08:12.09ibotWhat's your beef?!
08:18.00morsingThere's no option to go "online"
08:19.24morsingmozrat?
08:19.31mozratyep
08:19.35morsingWhere?
08:19.48mozratone sec
08:21.11mozratWell - I'm not sure it does say "Online" when it talks to devices - but my laptop has no serial port and my USB-to-serial grommit is at home
08:21.17mozratso I can't really help that much
08:22.08mozratare you using VT102 for terminal settings?
08:22.43morsingStatus line says: 9600 8N1 NOR VT102 Offline
08:22.48morsingNOR?
08:22.59morsingWhere do I get tip for Linux
08:23.00morsing?
08:23.53Leedsuh... I've seen it...
08:24.29Leedshmm... are you sure 8n1 is correct?  I thought some serial devices (cisco type things) used strange settings
08:24.36mozratCisco uses 8n1
08:25.12ufo_mozrat: priv
08:25.35morsingIt's an HP
08:25.36Leedsso sue me
08:26.09mozratHP Procurve? I connected minicom to this last week - I only had to change the 9600 and 8N1
08:26.19mozratare you starting minicom with -s?
08:26.24morsingYup - Procurve 2626
08:26.32morsingWhy doesn't this work.
08:26.53mozratufo_: I'm /msg'ing you :)
08:27.14ufo_ufo_ ?
08:27.16ufo_or ufo
08:27.23mozrathmm
08:27.30mozratufo :)
08:27.38ufo_so try again
08:27.42mozratare you /msg'ing mozrat or mozrat- ?
08:27.45ufo_mozrat
08:27.52mozratmaybe we should have just one nick each :)
08:28.13ufo_I have one!
08:28.14ufo_:P
08:30.29rhowemorsing: Do you have both hardware and software flow control switched off?
08:30.34rhowemorsing: ^a o
08:30.40morsingrhowe: HW on/SW off
08:30.47rhowemorsing: Try both off
08:30.52rhowemorsing: Might need to restart minicom
08:31.46morsingStill not working. How can this be sdo difficult
08:31.59rhowemorsing: Shouldn't matter if it says offline..
08:32.04rhowemorsing: Tried ^q?
08:32.24rhowemorsing: Different cable etc?
08:32.46rhowemorsing: Maybe you need a special HP branded cable which has the special HP wiring for extra performance!
08:33.03morsingI used the cable from the box
08:33.24rhoweAnd you expected it to work? :P
08:33.30morsingYes!
08:33.47rhowetry another cable :P
08:34.22rhowedammit, I wanna go shopping :)
08:35.45morsingHaven't got one
08:35.55morsingrhowe: It works one way though
08:50.44rhowemorsing: That only means the rx wire's working though
08:51.02rhowemorsing: Got an RS232 analyser?
08:54.27Leedsmorsing: is it a regular 9/25 pin cable?
08:55.17Leedsif so, I'd say try another one... if not, curse the people who don't use standard cables
08:57.28mozratmorsing: I used a standard serial cable to connect before
09:08.19LeedsI noticed a few days ago that my Sun Safari account lists an expiry date of tomorrow (well, 09/01) - it's the first time I've noticed it, and could mean one of a two things: it really is going to expire tomorrow (maybe a year since I got it?), which would be bloody annoying, or it gets automatically renewed each month and I've never noticed before
09:08.29z00dax$TZ Greetings
09:19.06Leedsand I'm reading something very depressing - a CSS book which is littered with "IE6 for Windows, which is the most current at time of writing, doesn't support this bit of CSS"
09:22.17morsingLeeds: It's a 9/9 pin
09:24.25rhoweLeeds: "Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide"?
09:25.50wethrinmorning
09:25.59Leedsrhowe: indeed
09:26.12Leedsmorsing: then yeah, try another cable
09:26.25rhoweLeeds: Not a very useful guide to writing CSS for real-world use, I found
09:26.36rhoweLeeds: But a good reference, and good if you have time to do CSS properly
09:26.49Leedsrhowe: I also have the cookbook - hence my getting worried about possibly losing my Sun Safari account tomorrow  :-)
09:26.52rhoweLeeds: (i.e. write your stylesheet to the spec and then take time to hack it into working with the browsers)
09:27.41rhoweLeeds: I bought the dead-tree edition
09:27.52Leedsit's very easy to get into a habit of thinking "oh yes, I have every single O'Reilly book to hand"
09:28.14Leeds+ Prentice Hall, Addison Wesley, etc. (spell?)
09:28.18rhoweLeeds: It's sat between Mc Graw Hill's "Java 2: The Complete Reference, 3rd edition" and ORA's "Learning XML" :)
09:29.04Leedsit's sat between "Absolute Beginner's Guide to Databases" and the CSS cookbook on my Safari bookshelf - but then it is sorted alphabetically
09:29.17rhoweheh
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09:29.57rhoweI should set up a Safari account here at work, I guess
09:30.00rhoweBut first I want dualhead
09:30.02Leedshometime
09:30.10rhoweOr a company laptop :)
09:34.56rhowe*yoink*
09:35.00wethrinheh
09:59.04morsingwethrin?
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10:02.13morsingLeeds!
10:06.55Leedsmozrat!
10:07.04mozratLeeds!
10:07.22Leedsmorsing!
10:10.22wethrinmorsing: You've been unsubscribed from Gllug due to excessive bounces
10:12.25murbis morsing a very bouncy person?
10:13.23wethrinyes
10:36.41Copehe's a tigger
10:37.14Leeds'tis a wonderful thing
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10:39.42BlaptoGet me some
10:39.44rhowewant to avoid the lunchtime rush anyhow
10:39.49rhoweno, I want my camera :P
10:41.29BlaptoWhich camera?
10:43.42BlaptoCan somebody do me a favour and find the channel and network for cpanel please? I can't do it from my phone
10:44.19mozratquakenet
10:44.21mozrat#cpanel
10:44.28mozratahhh
10:44.29mozratsorry
10:44.31mozratdalnet
10:45.16mozratwell - both according to http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/?num=0&query=cpanel
10:45.33mozratbut the topic on dalnets looks more promising
10:45.50BlaptoThanks. Someone (ul?) was in here looking for you yesterday
10:57.14mozratufo aka Marcin
10:57.24mozratI was here but being idle
11:47.40mozratGod, Iraq is a mess... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4199618.stm
11:59.15morsingAhh... Flowcontrol changed to software and it works!
12:03.30morsingLeeds? mozrat? rhowe?
12:03.36mozratah cool
12:03.46morsing:-)
12:03.55mozratwere you running minicom with -s though?
12:04.07morsingEither
12:04.28mozratmaybe you changed a default somewhere
12:04.43morsingEy-up
12:05.16morsingMmm... beer
12:52.55morsingbeer
13:09.12JAVgood afternoon
13:15.33morsingJAV!
13:19.54Leedsmorsing: good news
13:24.11wethrinAh. a morsing
13:24.21wethrinmorsing: Have you sorted out what you're doing with colocation yet?
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13:35.33Leedsevening SlayerXP
13:35.39SlayerXPlo leeds
13:45.30morsingwethrin: What do you mean?
13:46.04wethrinmorsing: Going to Telehouse, or to Guildford?
13:46.21morsingI thought I couldn't go to Guildford?
13:46.39morsingI'm planning on doing the painful trip to Telehouse with you
13:54.44Copewethrin: I need your advice, quickly.
13:55.02wethrinWaggledance
13:55.03Copewethrin: Tea, Coffee, Red Wine, Grapefruit Juice or Water?
13:55.18wethrinWell, I'm having water, but tea sounds like an excellent idea too
13:55.28wethrinassuming you have no Waggledance
13:55.41wethrinmorsing: Okay - so you're coming along to the Founders Arms first, then
13:55.49wethrinA cup of tea contains mostly water
13:56.01Copewethrin: yes, I was suggesting two drinks.
13:56.47wethrinahha
13:56.49wethrinTea and rum
13:57.12Copemmm, rum
13:57.17murba cup of tea.
13:57.21murbhow about a pot of tea?
14:11.21Copeeeexcellent idea
14:11.57wethrinCope: Kings X still on in 25 hours/
14:11.57wethrin?
14:12.14Copewethrin: affirmative
14:14.07Copehello morsing
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14:14.16morsingwethrin: Yes
14:14.23morsingHello Cope & resuDaed
14:14.46morsingBye!
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14:16.06resuDaedafternoon all
14:16.49resuDaedI am having a wierd problem....
14:17.48resuDaedHave just installed ubuntu (because they gave me a free cd :-), and everything was very fine and nice except...
14:17.55LeedsresuDaed: did you see the link I left for you the other day?
14:18.17resuDaedLeeds: yes, thanks, looks like (exactly) what I was looking for
14:18.34Leedsgood :-)
14:19.22Leedsso what's your problem now?
14:19.30resuDaedwhen I click on something (app under gnome), I am locked to that object (be it a list or whatever), and no matter what I click on, it affects only that object
14:19.45resuDaed(really wierd one to explain, hence my bad terminaology)
14:19.50SlayerXPtry using a properly supported distro instead.
14:19.54CoperesuDaed: I see the problem
14:19.55resuDaed((and speeling:-))
14:19.58SlayerXPdebian, for example. :)
14:20.05wethrinmorsing: Excellent. What time will you be there?
14:20.29morsingwethrin: 6:40pm?
14:20.30LeedsSlayerXP: down boy!
14:20.40resuDaedCope: you do?
14:20.43morsingwethrin: Do you want ot meet at the pub?
14:20.53wethrinmorsing: 6.40 I'm going to be near Telehouse
14:20.56CoperesuDaed: yes, it begins with '..just installed ubuntu'
14:20.59morsingIt would be quicker to meet at some station
14:21.11CoperesuDaed: I was going to do debian trolling, but since SlayerXP is here, I'll hand over to the master.
14:21.12wethrinCan you get to the pub for 6?
14:21.19morsingwethrin: No
14:21.24wethrinSlackware!
14:21.29wethrinmorsing: Pah. Skip out from work early
14:21.32morsingI'll be at Watford Junction at 6
14:21.39CopeSlayerXP: didn't see you there - all yours :-)
14:21.43resuDaedSlayerXP: I would (did and do), but ubuntu looks nice, is debian based and means I can leave the install and it installs
14:22.03Leedsmorsing: say hi to what used to be Sun Watford for me
14:22.04wethrinmorsing: So what time will you be at Euston?
14:22.07SlayerXPresuDaed: ubuntu is based on debian in the same way that ozone is based on oxygen
14:22.20morsingLeeds: Will do
14:22.23morsingwethrin: 6:15
14:22.53morsingwethrin: Which station do I change to DLR at?
14:23.01wethrinjust checking
14:23.03resuDaedSlayerXP: regardless of distro, this is more likley to be a config issue somewhere -- I am just clueless as to where
14:23.04Leedswoo, paycheque cleared :-)  I suddenly have 5 figures of HKD
14:23.04Copewethrin: you can go direct from bank
14:24.06wethrinLeeds: yay
14:24.23Leedswethrin: feels like a lot more money than it is... but it goes further here anyway
14:24.34wethrinCope: Ah - Journey Planner told me I needed to change somewhere
14:24.39Copewethrin: evil
14:24.48SlayerXPa couple of elk nearly got combine harvested
14:25.04Copewethrin: its probably right; it may be from the other place that its direct.
14:25.39resuDaedanyway, need to get to bank, will see you all later
14:26.20Copewethrin: yes; from bank change at shadwell/limehouse/westferry
14:26.28wethrinCope: Yeah
14:26.36Copewethrin: but from tower gateway its direct
14:26.45Georgemoo
14:26.46GeorgeMOO
14:26.50wethrinmorsing: From Euston, Northern line to.......somewhere. Acrobat has decided to shut down
14:27.24wethrinHm. From Euston it's quite inconvenient
14:27.27morsingwethrin: I can be at bank at 6:30
14:27.59wethrinmorsing: Okay - problem is that there's no phone reception so it's hard to coordinate
14:28.11resuDaedmeet @ shadwell then :-)
14:28.20wethrin*shudder*
14:31.30wethrinWell, it's 10 minutes from Euston to Bank
14:31.31Leedsgot phone reception on the tube around these parts...
14:31.37wethrinLeeds: Pah :-P
14:33.02wethrinmorsing: Phone me when you're at Euston
14:33.04Leedshmm... apparently West Yorkshire has the best GPs in the country
14:33.27wethrinAnd I'll meet you at the DLR platform at Bank
14:34.54JAVok, I give up. I can't find it. The DV-cam has firewire and usb cables, but no place to plug them.
14:35.06JAVI should have a look at the manual
14:35.26LeedsJAV: normally under a little flap somewhere
14:35.54JAVI see several, but no one match
14:36.24Leedstry pushing the cable in really hard :-)
14:37.08JAVI'm thinking about duct taping it :P
14:37.13Leedsheh
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14:43.46Leedsevening z00dax
14:43.48Leedszimm:
14:43.55zimmLeeds,
14:44.03murb#gllug
14:44.32z00dax:)
14:44.49Leedswell, good evening everyone :-)
14:44.55JAVok, it should have a cradle
14:45.03murbgood morning? Leeds
14:45.05morsingwethrin: Ok
14:45.23rhowewoohoo
14:45.49rhoweLeeds: Got it for GBP365 including a 1GB CF card (Fujifilm 40x)
14:45.56rhoweLeeds: The shop was offerring it for 299
14:46.59Leedsrhowe: good work... but... they charged you GBP66 for the CF?
14:47.55Erwinfyi, it might just be cheaper on pixmania.com, if you want mail orde
14:48.07rhoweLeeds: They were selling it for GBP85 :P
14:48.32wethrinmorsing: excellent
14:48.35JAVI bought my ixus 400 in pixmania
14:48.37Leedsrhowe: so, we need more pictures of your various cute women then
14:49.05rhoweLeeds: Yeah, it was a bit over the odds, but it should be a decent card
14:49.15rhoweLeeds: heh, give it time
14:49.26rhoweErwin: I wanted it today :P
14:49.36rhoweErwin: Today's payday and tomorrow I'm off to Sweden
14:50.17Leedsyay for payday
14:50.25rhoweYeah, yay indeed
14:50.34Leedsspeaking of which, where's gregj...
14:51.00Leedsrhowe: as I mentioned above, I suddenly have a 5-figure bank balance... unfortunately, that's HKD :-(
14:51.12rhoweLeeds: heh
14:51.24wethrinrhowe: rm IYF
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15:05.46morsingMIRROR WRITE CONSISTENCY: on/ACTIVE                              
15:09.49Copehelpful
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15:25.31wethrinmorsing: AIX?
15:30.20morsingMmm... AIX
15:31.15LeedsBah... AIX
15:31.46morsingBah... Leeds!
15:32.41wethrinmorsing: Is there any Real Hardware(TM) around that'll support SATA disks?
15:35.02Leedsthunder!
15:35.45wethrinNot here
15:36.54morsingwethrin: ?!?
15:37.05wethrinmorsing: Real Hardware - not PC shit
15:45.24rhowewethrin: Plenty of Real Hardware seems to have PCI slots
15:48.12ErwinAccording to this week's TimeOut, Osama Bin Laden is an Arsenal fan and has seen them play live here 4 times in 94
15:56.04morsingwethrin: Rumours has it IBM is going to switch to SATA but I don't believe it
16:01.59wethrinrhowe: Yes, but that doesn't mean that SATA controllers will be supported by a real OS
16:11.43murbmorsing: may i point and laugh at a box of disks that calls itself a shark?
16:12.27morsingmurb: Why?
16:12.58murbbecause of the free replacement, and the free replacement of the free replacement and the ensuing compenstation.
16:13.13murband that was the only time i've been near one.
16:13.14morsingEh? What does this have to do with anything>
16:13.16morsing?
16:13.24murbmorsing: they were not terribly reliablable.
16:13.30murbibm
16:13.41morsingBut they weren't SATA which the discussion were about?
16:13.58murbmorsing: i'm wonding how ibm could make them worse, or possibly better!
16:14.07morsingI've worked with 7 ESSs (sharks) and never had more than a few probelms.
16:14.22morsingmurb: Are you talking disks or the actual ESS?
16:14.31morsingDisks will always fail
16:14.37murbmorsing: the actual box.
16:14.47morsingmurb: they're pretty stable and reliable
16:14.58morsingbut they're being phased out
16:15.03murbbut then they were nt/'doze/solaris people and they didn't like ibm one bit.
16:15.19murbibm only got that project because it was put out to tender forcably.
16:16.00morsingmurb has lost morsing in this "discussion" (once again)
16:16.11murbmurb has lost murb as well.
16:16.15murbi need some more cake.
16:16.28morsingMmm... cakew3
16:16.31morsingcake
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20:02.25JAVhi!
20:02.59Copemem!
20:15.18wethrinSomething!
20:15.57z00daxhey Cope
20:16.23Copehello z00dax
20:16.59z00daxthe Alpha did 87k emails in the last 24hrs ( ending at 20:30 )
20:17.19wethrinheh
20:17.30Copeooh Erwin is here too
20:17.31Cope;-)
20:17.43wethrinyarr
20:49.39ErwinHey, just 3 weeks left until Talk like a Pirate Day
20:50.49wethrinarrrrr
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22:00.37wethrinMmm. Rachmaninov++
22:01.37murbogg123 -@ ~/playlist/Rachmaninov would be a bad idea at this time.
22:01.48wethrinWould it?
22:04.45murbit would wake people up.
22:06.58wethrinThen play it EVEN LOUDER
22:10.53JAVthey'll enjoy it, for sure :D
22:11.18wethrinYup. Otherwise they're HEATHENS with no taste
22:14.10wethrin:-)
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22:31.08Copez00dax: running linux?
22:31.16z00daxCope:  yea, CentOS
22:32.08wethrinBut BSD rocks
22:34.22Copez00dax: centos is released for alpha now - good work.
22:34.43Copefreebsd/alpha rocks significantly
22:35.22z00daxCope: its kinda beta at the moment, but by the time 4U2 hits the mirrors, we should have ppc64 and Alpha 'release grade'
22:35.35Copegroovy
22:44.44Copez00dax: so what's the machine doing?
22:44.46Copefor whom?
22:45.00z00daxthats my spamtrap :)
22:45.20Copeyou personally get 87k emails a day?
22:45.44z00daxa bunch of domains I've had for a while ( 1993 is the oldest )
22:45.53Copeok
22:46.38z00daxpersonal email is in the range of 2.5  - 4k a day
22:46.49z00daxspams to personal email addy, that is
22:46.56Coperight
22:51.49rhowewoo
22:52.01rhowehttp://siksai.co.uk/pics/newcamera/ (-small images still being generated)
22:53.14JAVfeet? :D
22:54.19rhoweJAV: I was feeling a little artistic :P
22:54.26rhoweJAV: I call it "Office meeting"
22:55.24JAVehe
22:55.34rhowenotice the tube train lights on the 2nd Green Park picture :)
22:55.44rhoweThat was a long exposure.. I was trying to catch the train coming in, but hit the shutter too soon
22:55.51JAVI like the elevator girl
22:56.51rhoweYeah, that was just a quick "Hm, this lift looks neat. Lemme take a picture before the doors open"
22:57.00rhoweOnly just did it in time, too. That was in Harrods
22:57.14z00daxI believe there are rules that specifically forbid photography beyond the ticket barriers at any London underground station...
22:57.22z00daxthat.. and i cant spell :)
22:57.31rhowez00dax: Certainly flash photography, I'd expect
22:58.52JAVgreat camera
22:59.12rhoweYeah, I've only had it about 10 hours and I'm starting to love it
22:59.22rhoweI didn't charge the battery though, hence the small number of shots
22:59.33rhoweI saw a Banksy, but didn't have any power to shoot it
22:59.41rhowe(it was on Brick Lane)
23:04.28z00daxbe nice to have exif support in the browser
23:05.06rhowez00dax: Gotta be a firefox plugin, surely?
23:05.23rhowez00dax: Had I added them to http://siksai.co.uk/gallery you wouldn't have needed browser exif support :)
23:05.47z00daxjust wanted to check what Camera you are using :)
23:05.56rhoweCanon Powershot S70 :)
23:07.18z00daxcool :)
23:07.57rhoweYeah, falling in love :)
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23:24.04Copewethrin: think I've cracked it
23:24.21wethrinWoohoo!
23:24.22Copebut I don't think its very pretty
23:24.31wethrinOf course not. What you're doing isn't particularly pretty
23:34.03wethrinWell, it may work nicely in a functional language, but I doubt you're writing it in Haskell, are you?
23:36.53Copeno
23:36.59wethrinmm
23:37.21Copethe test code looks like this:
23:37.25Cope#!/usr/bin/python
23:37.25CopetestPhrase = "Gentlemen, I smell a rat! I see it floating in the air!"
23:37.25Copedef printFrequencies(text):
23:37.25Cope<PROTECTED>
23:37.25Cope<PROTECTED>
23:37.27Cope<PROTECTED>
23:37.30Cope<PROTECTED>
23:37.32Cope<PROTECTED>
23:37.35Cope<PROTECTED>
23:37.37Cope<PROTECTED>
23:37.40Cope<PROTECTED>
23:37.43Cope<PROTECTED>
23:37.45Cope<PROTECTED>
23:37.48Cope<PROTECTED>
23:37.51CopeprintFrequencies(testPhrase)
23:37.53Copeooh - missing comments
23:38.06wethrinright
23:38.28Leedsmorning all
23:38.31rhoweCope: frequency[a]++?
23:38.41rhoweCope: I guess that should work (if Python has a ++ operator)
23:38.54Leedsit doesn't
23:39.12Erwinfrequency[a] = frequency.get(a,0) + 1
23:39.16Leedsit does have += though
23:40.56Copehello leeds!
23:41.51rhowefrequency[a] = (a in frequency ? frequency[a] + 1 : 1)
23:41.52rhowe:P
23:47.57wethrinRight. I go to sleep now
23:48.09wethrinCope: See you at 4 somewhere at Kings X
23:48.27wethrinCope: On the platform?
23:48.54Copeyeah, something like that
23:49.01Copein that pub if you like?
23:49.19wethrinThat could work, but was thinking of just going straight to the Founders Arms
23:49.40Copeyes - just meant as somewhere you will be
23:50.15wethrinahh. Okay - if I don't see you on the platform, then I'll go to the bar
23:50.25wethrinI shall be carrying a laptop bag with me
23:51.13Copeok
23:52.14wethrinI'll try and watch out for you, but there's normally lots of people coming off the train, so it's possible I may miss you
23:52.18Copewethrin: oh and for what its worth, you can do functional programming in python if you want
23:52.21Copewethrin: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-prog.html
23:52.31wethrinyes - I've heard it can do that
23:52.55rhoweSurely you can do functional programming in any turing-complete language?
23:53.07Copethat: frequencyList = [(value, key) for key, value in frequency.items()] is pretty functional - don't list comprehensions come from haskell? or is it lisp?
23:53.10rhowe(and possibly in non-turing-complete ones too...?)
23:53.12wethrindoesn't have to be turing-complete
23:53.18wethrinCope: Either. Probably LISP originally
23:53.56wethrinrhowe: If the language supports functional style, sure
23:54.10wethrinTry writing C functionally, and you'd end up having to implement a whole new language
23:54.22rhowewethrin: Which in theory means you could write a functional language using just C preprocessor stuff... :P
23:54.38wethrinNot sure if that necessarily holds true
23:55.40rhoweCould always ask Nix, I guess :)
23:55.41wethrinRight. I sleep. Night
23:55.50wethrinor Richard Jones
23:56.01wethrinHave a good time in Sweden, you evil pub-missing person
23:58.12Copeyes - evil!
23:58.19wethrinnight night!

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