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00:00.55CopeLeeds: are you there?
00:03.18LeedsCope: yes
00:13.12LeedsCope: how may I assist you?
00:14.35*** join/#gllug rhowe (i=rhowe@xiao.siksai.co.uk)
00:44.07CopeLeeds: oh just wondered how you'd have done what I was doing above.
00:45.16Copeanyway - I need to sleep
00:52.38Leedsg'night
01:08.37Leedsworktime
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02:07.39JAVcode quality is aproaching 0 seriously. Bedtime!
04:02.44Leedsuh-oh... mailman day has started
07:35.00mozratGood Morning fellows
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07:37.34mozrathello ebbeyes
07:44.44ebbeyeshello
07:48.34Leedshello all
07:50.01Leedslooks like I'll be having a busy week next week...
07:50.23LeedsRMS speaking in HK on Monday, then off to SL for FOSSL on Tuesday :-)
07:53.27mozratnice
07:54.05Leedslots of geeking out with foreigners (or more correctly, as a foreigner)
07:56.23mozratwhat is RMS speaking about on Monday? Anything specific?
07:57.15Leedsyup
07:57.29Leeds"Copyright vs Community in the Ageof Computer Networks"
07:57.56Leedsthe abstract is:
07:58.01LeedsCopyright developed in the age of the printing press, and was designed to fit with the system of centralized copying imposed by the printing press. But the copyright system does not fit well with computer networks, and only draconian punishments can enforce it.  
07:58.01LeedsThe global corporations that profit from copyright are lobbying for draconian punishments, and to increase their copyright powers, while suppressing public access to technology. But if we seriously hope to serve the only legitimate purpose of copyright--to promote progress, for the benefit of the public--then we must make changes in the other direction.
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08:14.36Leedsafternoon SlayerXP
08:14.44SlayerXPlo leeds
08:40.50Leedsbah, users
08:41.58mozratwho needs em?
08:45.28Leedsso let's say I have a situation where I want bind9 to return a specific value for a specific A record lookup, but relay any other request on...  any advice?
08:46.00SlayerXPlearn about split horizon DNS
08:46.31LeedsI have no idea what that means
08:46.58Leedsplease enlighten me, oh debian-loving guru
08:47.47Leedsalthough I could just use something simple like dnsmasq rather than bind
08:48.14SlayerXPSHDNS returns different responses based on where the query is coming from
08:48.32Leedsnothing to do with that
08:48.45Leedsall the requests will be coming from the LAN
08:48.51SlayerXPso a lookup for foo.mycompany.com would return 192.168.0.1 if requested from the LAN, and the real IP if requested from the rest of the world
08:49.32Leedsthe problem is that the DNS for this place is managed by the ISP... and everyone has the addresses of the ISP's server set on their machine
08:49.34mozratLeeds, you want a server that is authoritative for a zone to forward requests on to another DNS server for queries against that zone
08:50.04Leedsmozrat: what I want is for www.metexhk.com to resolve to an interal address, without having to have the complete zone in place
08:50.36mozratLeeds, I'd say you need to bring a copy of the zone in internally
08:50.53Leedsthe zone lives on the ISP's server, unfortunately
08:51.13mozratjust create a local internal zone and add in the MX records and other internet facing records
08:51.16mozratftp, ns etc
08:51.26LeedsI don't know what's in the zone
08:51.32mozratthere can't be that much
08:53.46Leedsguessing is not acceptable
08:53.54mozratask the ISP for a copy of the zone
08:54.47murbLeeds: so move the domain away from Incompitence Inc.
08:54.56Leedsnah, I'm trying to look supersmart :-)
08:57.19mozratshame "type=ixfr; metexhk.com" in nslookup doesn't work against that ISP
08:57.58Leedsyeah
08:59.06murbhmm one of their nameservers isn't even reachable from here.
08:59.17Erwindig -taxfr metexhk.com @ns8.imsbiz.com WFM
08:59.26SlayerXPsecurity, probably
08:59.28Leedsmurb: you are a gwailo and therefore have no right to dns access
08:59.48Leedsgweilo
09:00.11murbLeeds: http://www.yuri.org.uk/~murble/complete-zone.txt
09:00.56Leedsleeds is not a registered protocol.
09:01.00SlayerXPwhoever built that zone should be shot ASAP
09:01.08Leedsyeah, I got it - still not going to use it
09:01.17murbSlayerXP: why?
09:01.23LeedsI don't *want* to reproduce the zone, I just want to intercept one particular request
09:01.37murbonly one minor mistake.
09:02.29Leedsdnsmasq seems to be doing the job
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09:08.59eye69Morning.
09:10.46murbLeeds: slowly taking over the company?
09:12.23Leedsmurb: I surely am... in a completely official way
09:12.35Leedsit's not a joke - I really am
09:13.04murbcompetent people are a danger to the incompetent.
09:13.16Leedsyes, they are
09:13.37Leedsmy title seems to have been upgraded to Senior Manager
09:19.52mozratLeeds, with an appropiate upgrade to salary!
09:22.20murbLeeds: who do you manage?
09:26.49Leedsmurb: at the moment, "IT Services", but with responsibility over IT staff in all locations
09:26.56Leedsmozrat: my salary is quite sufficient :-)
09:50.59Leedshometime
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10:07.59Gareth_aHello
10:09.14new2unixhi all
10:17.18mozrathello
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10:18.29Georgeany chemists here?
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10:19.30wethrinnot officially
10:19.35Leedsevening kbsingh
10:19.40kbsinghhi Leeds
10:20.05Georgewethrin: do you know the english names of chemistry apparatus?
10:20.07kbsingh== z00dax ( on a dialup link )
10:20.30Leedsah :-)
10:20.38wethrinwhich apparatus?
10:20.48Georgehttp://www.hamm-chemie.de/images/j11/titrat1.jpg
10:20.54wethrintitration?
10:20.55Georgethe red rubber thing attached to the end of the pipette
10:22.06Leedstit rat?
10:22.28LeedsI would say there's a bulb and a valve there
10:23.44wethringnuh. I can't remember. Key something-or-other
10:24.40Georgewethrin: it's a pipette filler, apparently
10:24.46Georgea google image search confirms it
10:24.51wethrinAha. Surely burette filler?
10:24.55Georgeno
10:24.59Georgethey're used on pipettes...
10:25.03wethrinmm
11:06.59mozratwethrin: sorry I can't join you guys tonight
11:07.06wethrinmozrat: Pah
11:07.13mozratwethrin: do you have Copes mobile number?
11:07.34mozratHe wanted to park here this afternoon, I need to get him a pass
11:07.48wethrinmozrat: Yes
11:08.23mozratthanks wethrin
11:08.25wethrinnp
11:08.29wethringot it, then?
11:08.36mozratyes ta
11:08.51wethrinrightho
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12:58.40morsing'morning
12:59.03Leedsmorning
12:59.04JAV'afternoon :)
13:00.13Georgehi.
13:01.52ebbeyeshello :)
13:02.13Georgemoo
13:02.45morsingbaa
13:02.50morsingMmm... Exonetric
13:03.15morsinghttp://www.pigbag.com/members.php
13:07.04Leedsyes minister++
13:07.09Georgeyes
13:07.11Georgeyes very good
13:14.42Erwinthey're all dead by now, aren't they
13:15.15Leedsnot all
13:15.29LeedsAFAIK
13:17.21LeedsBernard is still alive
13:22.02murbwho?
13:24.09LeedsDerek Fowlds aka Bernard Woolley
13:25.05JAVhttp://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000000056818/
13:28.26GeorgeLeeds: heh
13:28.40JAVIt doesn't look enough usable yet
14:01.32Leedsgregj: ah-ha!
14:01.45gregj:>
14:20.28morsingwethrin?
14:42.36Leedswell, I now appear to have "install Linux servers and write software in python, perl, java(!), cgi and xml" written into my employment contract :-)
14:49.00JAVso you can refuse to install windows :D
14:49.46Leedsgot it on a headless box for testing, using vnc
14:50.24JAVmy last one only was "engineer", and previous was "teacher". :D
14:51.15JAVI have vmware installed, but it expired some time ago
14:52.32Leedsmy title is to be "Senior Manager - IT Services"
15:13.01gregjGeorge: turn around and catch
15:13.17Georgegregj: dude.
15:13.19Georgegregj: you have issues
15:13.29Leedsfucking psycho Yanks
15:13.36Georgegregj: fix nxc for me
15:13.43Leedsshooting at a fucking evacuation helicopter?
15:14.23JAVstupidity++
15:14.50Georgegregjness++
15:16.05gregjGeorge: what the heck is nxc
15:16.12Leedsnx client?
15:16.13Georgegregj: nx client libraries
15:16.14gregj<PROTECTED>
15:16.27Georgegregj: stop reminding me of Leeds and njaard
15:16.30Georgeand LWCE2004
15:20.20LeedsGeorge: I was a little busy in Boston, and a little Asian during the SF one
15:20.36Leedsor did you mean the crappy London show?
15:22.20Georgeno, I need LWCE SF
15:23.12Leedsyeah, it was a bit far away - and while my current employer *will* pay for me to go to a conference in SL, they're not too interested in SF
15:31.50morsingibot wake wethrin
15:31.52ibotwethrin: GOOD MORNING!!!
15:37.53GeorgeLeeds: heh.
15:38.16morsingLeeds: What are you working on at the moment?
15:43.27Georgemorsing: bra
15:43.34Leedsmorsing: right now I'm playing a game because it's almost beftime
15:43.39Leedsbedtime :-)
15:45.31Leedsbut at work, I'm currently tidying up a document (really, file) repository - designed to be accessible from Hong Kong, Sri Lanka, and by customers... with a hugely over-engineered system of ACLs and capabilities, many of which aren't current tested anywhere :-)
15:50.38Georgefor bras
15:51.49Leedsyes
15:52.08JAVwasn't it for money? :D
15:58.07Leedsnot really
15:59.26JAVnot fully, you mean
16:00.09Leedswell, yes
16:00.23LeedsI wouldn't be doing it for free - but money isn't my prime driver
16:00.51morsingMmm... bras
16:01.57Leedsit is still a bit strange to be in a situation where everything in the company revolves around women's underwear
16:02.23murbLeeds: you get a staff discount?
16:03.03Leedsdunno... but there are plenty of seconds around
16:03.39murbseconds seem to be all that is onsale in .de
16:05.26JAVI'm in a similar position, I could be in a really paid job. This time I prefered an intereting project. I'm quite happy now
16:20.29Leedsoh, it's not that I'm not making good money - just that I didn't chose the job because of the money
16:25.11JAVI can be here for a limited time. By the end of the project (4 months +-) I'll look for another job, maybe outside spain.
16:25.25JAVor start my own IT business
16:43.58Leedsah well, sleep time
16:45.18JAVnn Leeds
16:46.27Leedsnight
18:36.51ebbeyes;)
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21:05.38SlayerXPevening
21:15.09JAVevening SlayerXP
21:21.13SlayerXPwhy do so many people not realise the existence of non-ICANN TLDs?
21:29.57Jangohttp://www.bethere.co.uk/beonline/canBeHome.do
21:30.08Jango24 meg :o
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23:16.16JAVmy dogs were barking at a point in the ground, I check... guess what
23:16.34gregjkill him
23:17.01JAV:)
23:19.13JAVa little "erizo"
23:20.07JAVopps, my sister took it months ago
23:20.36JAVI think is something like ekidna
23:21.08JAVan animal with protection needles
23:23.24JAVhttp://www.foyel.com/cartillas/imagenes/196.jpg  --> this one
23:37.39Leedsmorning all
23:38.01JAVmorning
23:38.19LeedsJAV: hedgehog, I think
23:38.24JAVyes!
23:38.33JAVlike Sonic ©
23:38.34JAV:D
23:38.42Leedssweet little beasties

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