| 00:09.05 | rhowe | ibot change 0.9 gbp to usd |
| 00:09.43 | rhowe | ibot change 1 litre to gallons |
| 00:12.03 | rhowe | ibot change 40 gbp to usd |
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| 07:21.26 | mozrat | Morning |
| 07:21.31 | gregj | morning |
| 07:25.59 | Leeds | hey |
| 07:27.01 | mozrat | hey Leeds |
| 07:27.06 | mozrat | how is Sri Lanka |
| 07:30.24 | Leeds | not bad... slept right through my alarm this morning... picked up about 10 bites within my first 4 hours in the country... couldn't get my wifi working in the office due to my incompetence with encrypted networks... |
| 07:31.50 | mozrat | d'oh |
| 07:32.32 | mozrat | OK - here is a brain exercise that I heard on LBC last night |
| 07:32.35 | Leeds | although I did notice that they have two networks, one open, but not internet-connected, one closed but online, in the same room, running on the same channel, which can't be good |
| 07:32.39 | mozrat | you are a contestant on a game show |
| 07:32.53 | mozrat | the game show hosts presents you with 3 boxes |
| 07:33.01 | mozrat | one contains the keys to a car |
| 07:33.08 | Leeds | ah, game (show) theory |
| 07:33.23 | mozrat | the other two contain nothing |
| 07:33.28 | mozrat | (you know this one?) |
| 07:33.41 | mozrat | the host asks you to pick a box |
| 07:33.55 | mozrat | you do so and the host reveals one of the other boxes to contain nothing |
| 07:34.08 | mozrat | you now have the option to change you choice and pick the last remaining box instead |
| 07:34.13 | mozrat | should you change your mind? |
| 07:34.23 | Leeds | I know of game theory - this particular thing sounds familiar... |
| 07:34.23 | mozrat | do your chances increase by taking the other box? |
| 07:35.28 | Leeds | you can work out the probabilities |
| 07:38.53 | gregj | ibot change 178 GBP to PLN |
| 07:39.08 | mozrat | Apparently "they" researched it and you have a higher chance of winning if you swop |
| 07:41.47 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 07:43.21 | mozrat | I think with 3 boxes the chances aren't increased that much - if you scale it up to 100 boxes and only one has car keys it is more obvious |
| 07:43.38 | mozrat | you pick one... the game host sweeps aside 98 boxes and says "Are you sure?" |
| 07:43.57 | mozrat | it's pretty obvious that your 1 in 100 shot didn't work |
| 07:44.14 | mozrat | but with 3 boxes it's much less obvious |
| 07:45.17 | Leeds | I'm still seeing it as 50/50 |
| 07:45.36 | mozrat | with 100 boxes? |
| 07:45.54 | Leeds | no, no, with 3 |
| 07:45.59 | mozrat | yes, I agree |
| 07:46.09 | mozrat | with 3 I can see no difference in odds |
| 07:46.11 | Leeds | it doesn't matter which one you pick... |
| 07:46.30 | Leeds | by definition, once one has been removed, one has a car, one doesn't - and you can then choose either of them |
| 07:46.56 | Leeds | assuming 50% chance of changing... |
| 07:47.05 | Leeds | there is a 1/6 chance that you pick the car and don't change |
| 07:47.18 | Leeds | a 1/6 chance that you pick the car and do change |
| 07:47.38 | Leeds | a 1/3 chance that you don't pick the car, then change to get it |
| 07:48.02 | Leeds | a 1/3 chance that you don't pick the car, then don't change to get it |
| 07:48.08 | Leeds | or something |
| 07:48.56 | Leeds | basically, there are two decisions - one is picking one item from 3, one picking one item from 2 - you know that one of the 2 is a win, so it's just 50/50 with that decision |
| 07:49.20 | mozrat | yes - so just ignore the first decision |
| 07:49.31 | mozrat | if you watched the game show before and you know the process |
| 07:49.39 | mozrat | pick any old box and take a 50/50 |
| 07:50.11 | mozrat | but according to "them" more people win by changing their choice at that stage |
| 07:50.18 | mozrat | "they" could be talking bollocks of course |
| 07:51.07 | Leeds | indeed |
| 07:51.28 | Leeds | if there are more than 3 options, the odds may be different |
| 07:54.00 | Leeds | but then the question is are they showing you one specific empty one, or are they reducing the choices to 2 |
| 07:55.16 | mozrat | yes - I assumed the game show host knew the box he was offering holds the keys |
| 07:55.45 | Leeds | huh? |
| 07:56.21 | mozrat | when he removes one the boxes and offers you the chance to swop I assumed the game show host knows that either that box or the one you hold has car keys |
| 07:56.22 | Leeds | what I mean is, if there are 4 original boxes... after you make your choice, do they show you one empty one or two? |
| 07:56.36 | Leeds | oh, sure |
| 07:56.53 | mozrat | he may have just binned the keys :( |
| 07:57.42 | Leeds | I would assume a crew member knows which holds the keys, and can advise the presenter which one to expose |
| 08:03.32 | mozrat | yep - I have to brave the Circle line to go to a meeting |
| 08:03.50 | mozrat | and I might take advantage of the Farringdon cafes to get a sneaky late breakfast |
| 08:08.17 | Leeds | I'm off for a late lunch... |
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| 08:55.20 | rhowe | mozrat: The chances are higher if you change your decision after being shown one of the empty boxes |
| 08:55.40 | rhowe | mozrat: Just draw a tree of all the possible choices (or work it out mathematically) |
| 09:15.13 | Leeds | mmm... curry |
| 09:27.29 | Leeds | rhowe: how so? |
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| 09:48.09 | Cope | ibot kill peter childs |
| 09:48.10 | ibot | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged anti-electron gun at peter childs |
| 09:53.27 | rhowe | Leeds: Google for it :P |
| 09:53.56 | rhowe | Leeds: It's a common puzzle |
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| 09:57.04 | Erwin | It's called "monty hall" BTW, after some American(?) game show |
| 09:59.17 | rhowe | 96.6% done :) |
| 10:16.08 | mozrat | hello rhowe |
| 10:18.13 | mozrat | and Erwin :) |
| 10:19.38 | Cope | hello tarzom |
| 10:19.45 | mozrat | hey cope |
| 10:22.01 | Erwin | hi |
| 10:22.11 | Cope | hi Erwin |
| 10:23.25 | mozrat | Cope - re mailing list, I haven't been rebuked for bottom posting but being the only one who does it's painfully obvious and people grumble I suspect |
| 10:29.35 | Cope | mozrat: yeah, I refused to co-operate for a long while, but decided I was making people even more ineffective, and making no positive difference. |
| 10:32.24 | mozrat | *nod* |
| 10:35.22 | mozrat | I think this Ubuntu talk will be worth attending |
| 10:41.56 | Cope | yes... here: have a debian system without the benefit of all the software, all the upstream development, all the maintainers and all the community. |
| 10:42.06 | Cope | great concept |
| 10:42.59 | Cope | oh... and then pretend its a debian system, and mix up repositories and fuck with apt and then join #debian, moaning 'its based on debian!' |
| 10:43.16 | Cope | and then wonder why you get larted, |
| 10:43.49 | Cope | mozrat: reckon that's what they'll say? |
| 10:46.45 | mozrat | You bitter old man |
| 10:46.46 | mozrat | :) |
| 11:04.01 | Cope | hehe |
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| 11:09.27 | jason_ukfsn | afternoon all |
| 11:39.37 | mozrat | (hello|goodbye) jason_ukfsn |
| 11:58.58 | Cope | drama |
| 12:04.59 | mozrat | I'll be turning myself into the local police station afterwards, don't worry |
| 12:31.51 | Cope | lol |
| 12:47.49 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.13 | Cope | ok |
| 12:48.39 | Cope | That appears to be: lbw2005 pictures: http://lbwpictures.killefiz.de |
| 12:49.36 | Cope | scary thing is that if this were George, /win 130 would be valid. |
| 12:59.52 | JAV | good afternoon! |
| 13:00.13 | Cope | hoorah |
| 13:00.16 | Cope | hello JAV |
| 13:26.18 | JAV | http://mirror8.escomposlinux.org/comic/ |
| 13:32.37 | mozrat | the bandwidth in the pub wasn't so hot |
| 13:32.46 | mozrat | kept dropping connections :( |
| 13:33.13 | Cope | Do you think paul@thinksolutions is going to get the message any time this year? |
| 13:33.23 | mozrat | I was looking at your post just then |
| 13:33.38 | mozrat | either he didn't reply on that topic or I'm missing some ml emails |
| 13:33.58 | Cope | no this is a whole new one - the 3rd thread |
| 13:34.02 | mozrat | oh, I see them |
| 13:34.03 | Cope | about /boot |
| 13:34.15 | Cope | with more top-posting and html email |
| 13:34.17 | mozrat | be patient |
| 13:34.21 | mozrat | I mailed him off list |
| 13:34.40 | mozrat | as I was on the blackberry and I thought it not so clever to top post a thread about top posting |
| 13:34.45 | mozrat | I can't quote on the bb |
| 13:35.07 | mozrat | and he wants to do it "the right way" |
| 13:39.37 | mozrat | heh |
| 13:39.38 | Cope | (see latest post) |
| 13:39.41 | mozrat | seen |
| 13:40.27 | Cope | ;-) |
| 13:40.56 | Cope | I just don't understand... if he'd said at the outset: fuck you - I'll do as I please; ban my fat arse.... |
| 13:41.03 | Cope | fine.... |
| 13:41.12 | mozrat | Cope, he honestly doesn't know any different |
| 13:41.30 | Cope | so he's essentially stupid? |
| 13:41.31 | mozrat | no |
| 13:41.35 | mozrat | uneducated |
| 13:41.43 | mozrat | he's got the message now anyway |
| 13:41.50 | Cope | despite having been told by 10 people on 3 separate threads? |
| 13:42.29 | mozrat | quote |
| 13:42.44 | mozrat | thanks very much for the advice !! |
| 13:42.44 | mozrat | - I'm going to get my Linux machine sorted |
| 13:42.44 | mozrat | tomorrow and most of my mail to Gllug will come from there at some point soon. |
| 13:42.44 | mozrat | Actually I'm going to do a fresh install of Linux on a different computer |
| 13:42.44 | mozrat | the one I'm using is a bit old now. |
| 13:42.46 | mozrat | I have a google account already and I think that will get me into gmail |
| 13:42.49 | mozrat | One way or another I will sort this out and make a fresh start with Linux |
| 13:42.51 | mozrat | and the Gllug lists - hope I havent done too many peoples heads in and that |
| 13:42.54 | mozrat | all will be forgiven. |
| 13:42.57 | mozrat | Once again thanks for the advice - will keep your email safe and will read that |
| 13:42.59 | mozrat | and the thread you suggest - and will get it right soon. |
| 13:43.05 | Cope | aww |
| 13:43.06 | Cope | bless |
| 13:43.40 | Cope | if he really is crippled by using outlook, its very hard to post sanely. |
| 13:44.13 | mozrat | he sounds like a nice chap |
| 13:49.36 | mozrat | ibot wake up rhowe |
| 13:49.37 | ibot | up rhowe: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 14:15.56 | mozrat | is there any MS Windows packages that deal with X11 where I can export a single windows application onto my Linux desktop |
| 14:16.25 | mozrat | so frustrating - different products do different components of what I want to acheive |
| 14:16.37 | mozrat | but I can't get a full solution |
| 14:19.51 | Erwin | export as access one running on another machine? |
| 14:20.16 | Erwin | If so you can use rdesktop or vnc |
| 14:20.24 | mozrat | Erwin, I want to run a windows app on my Linux desktop without running a full windows desktop via VNC or rdesktop |
| 14:20.37 | mozrat | in the same way I can do X11 forwarding over SSH for example |
| 14:20.44 | mozrat | if it were 2 Linux boxes |
| 14:21.14 | mozrat | the beta version of tightVNC on windows exports a single window over VNC |
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| 14:21.31 | mozrat | but you actually have to start the app on the windows server and then export it from the windows side |
| 14:21.44 | mozrat | and it's clumsy - you can't resize the window for example |
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| 14:36.48 | Cope | for him to change, I mean |
| 14:37.05 | Cope | I am bored of changeme |
| 14:37.35 | Cope | N3wP@$$! |
| 14:38.18 | rhowe | pwgen 8 1 |
| 14:38.30 | rhowe | Ougae9do yooSh5oo ieh2Pu4u uh3uuMie Okohl0mi yei1Xih2 ohXoSh5e ieDee5iu |
| 14:38.31 | rhowe | AhPheef3 eiF0eira phop8Pei aeX2Aing fa0Sei1k aeVie8us Uteena7p OochohY0 |
| 14:38.31 | rhowe | gai1Ef2h Inei3ail Xee9ohM2 pi9iPhah shee9Che iephi4Ah ief4ieD8 ta2moGei |
| 14:38.39 | rhowe | take your pick :) |
| 14:58.26 | JAV | http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877-5810446.html?tag=nl.e011 |
| 14:58.43 | Cope | -Enocontext |
| 14:58.46 | Cope | gimme a clue |
| 15:07.35 | JAV | :? |
| 15:08.39 | Cope | ;-) |
| 15:09.04 | Cope | http://somerandomurl.com/what/is/this?nsfw |
| 15:10.03 | Cope | almost as bad as morsing's favourite trick: |
| 15:10.07 | Cope | module: vmem instance: 57 |
| 15:10.07 | Cope | name: syseventconfd_event_channel class: vmem |
| 15:10.07 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.07 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.07 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.09 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.37 | Cope | rhowe: pingle |
| 15:18.07 | rhowe | pongle |
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| 15:38.09 | Cope | mozrat: by jove he's got it! |
| 15:42.53 | mozrat | :) |
| 15:53.08 | mozrat | he was quite eager to fit in |
| 15:55.59 | Cope | nearly hometime. |
| 16:10.07 | ebbeyes | home time :D |
| 16:13.25 | JAV | did you read about that quantum optic laptop? :) |
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| 16:40.58 | mozrat | w00 AngelChild |
| 16:41.13 | AngelChild | # But most of all... yeah... most of all... I like the way you move! # |
| 16:41.17 | AngelChild | sup? :) |
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| 16:41.49 | pie | Hello. |
| 16:41.56 | wethrin | Hi |
| 16:41.57 | pie | Anyone any good with bash? |
| 16:42.05 | wethrin | Lots of people are |
| 16:43.06 | pie | I need to do something like: ls | iconv -tISO_8859-1 -t utf8 ls_output > ls_output |
| 16:43.16 | pie | where ls_output is obviously the output from ls |
| 16:43.31 | pie | but my simple xargs knowledge does not stretch to that |
| 16:43.36 | pie | any ideas? |
| 16:43.57 | wethrin | Does iconv require a file, or can it use stdin? |
| 16:44.10 | wethrin | ls | iconv -tISO_8859-1 -t utf8 - > ls_output |
| 16:44.23 | pie | Hmmm, you might be right... |
| 16:44.28 | wethrin | or am I confused into what you want? |
| 16:44.41 | wethrin | You want to convert the output of ls from ISO-8859-1 to utf8? |
| 16:45.20 | pie | no, all the files in a directory |
| 16:46.00 | wethrin | do the files have spaces in them? |
| 16:46.03 | pie | no |
| 16:46.22 | wethrin | for i in * ; do iconv -tISO -t utf8 $i > $i.converted ; done |
| 16:46.28 | pie | thanks :) |
| 16:46.33 | wethrin | np :) |
| 16:46.42 | wethrin | Optionally: |
| 16:46.54 | wethrin | mv $i.converted $i ; done |
| 16:46.57 | wethrin | (instead of just done) |
| 16:49.23 | pie | Thanks wethrin, I will let you know how it goes :) I am off home now. |
| 16:49.26 | pie | later |
| 16:57.17 | rhowe | Jia claims he offered to help her with her uni work in return for sexual favours |
| 16:57.29 | rhowe | And that he's done the same thing with many other Chinese students |
| 16:58.21 | wethrin | right...... |
| 16:59.14 | rhowe | Indeed |
| 16:59.34 | wethrin | and? :) |
| 17:00.16 | rhowe | and, well, might be able to glean some info |
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| 17:26.13 | wethrin | Yeah. See lilo's message |
| 17:47.02 | mozrat | hometime |
| 17:47.04 | mozrat | bye |
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| 19:01.39 | majtki | ibot change 219USD to PLN |
| 19:01.47 | majtki | ibot change 219 USD to PLN |
| 19:01.56 | majtki | why isn't he keen on doing that in private |
| 19:11.49 | wethrin | greg, you can't hide with your pants! |
| 19:26.39 | majtki | :> |
| 19:26.41 | majtki | wethrin: :P |
| 19:29.14 | majtki | it says on summary : "thank you for your order!", and the next line "We don't even need the money because we're already filthy rich" |
| 19:29.14 | majtki | :D |
| 19:40.54 | wethrin | heh. Eeek |
| 19:40.56 | wethrin | :) |
| 19:43.17 | majtki | :] |
| 19:46.38 | majtki | anyone watching the game ? |
| 19:46.54 | majtki | Poland is playing with something... (WAL) |
| 19:48.35 | majtki | with wales |
| 19:48.37 | majtki | Wales |
| 19:48.46 | majtki | they play like pussies |
| 19:58.14 | wethrin | Wales |
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| 20:07.35 | JAV | evening |
| 20:10.41 | ar | hi |
| 20:21.42 | majtki | Poland Wales 1:0 |
| 20:25.58 | wethrin | PANTS! |
| 20:45.36 | majtki | wha |
| 21:01.32 | wethrin | :) |
| 21:16.55 | Cope | anyone vaguely awake |
| 21:20.56 | Cope | yummy |
| 21:21.29 | wethrin | :) |
| 21:22.55 | mozrat | we suck at footbla |
| 21:22.59 | mozrat | football |
| 21:23.09 | mozrat | foobarl |
| 21:24.56 | wethrin | :) |
| 21:30.42 | Cope | sleep |
| 21:30.43 | Cope | nn |
| 21:31.52 | mozrat | nn Cope |
| 21:32.52 | wethrin | nn Cope |
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| 22:11.42 | mozrat | hello jackds |
| 22:13.06 | jackds | hello |
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